It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => General Board => Topic started by: OldSailor on November 03, 2013, 12:05:37 PM
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You would think that when your party is burying a hole that is getting harder and harder to get out of, you wouldn't want to that hole get deeper faster. But here is Kathleen Murphy, Democrat running for the House of Delegates against Barbara Comstock, telling a forum in Great Falls that she believes it should law to force doctors to accept Medicare and Medicaid patients. Forced by government decree, mind you. A birdie sent me this:
FYI last night at the Great Falls Grange debate, Democrat delegate candidate Kathleen Murphy said that since many doctors are not accepting medicaid and medicare patients, she advocates making it a legal requirement for those people to be accepted.
She did not recognize that the payments are inadequate to cover the doctors' costs. She also did not recognize there is a shortage of over 45,000 physicians now and that it is forecast to be 90,000 in a few years.
Democrats appear to want to make physicians slaves of the state, but Democrats don't admit they would just drive more doctors out of practice into retirement and other occupations. The Obamacare law and regulations are causing millions of people to lose their health insurance, drop many doctors and hospitals. The HHS internal forecast is 93 million Americans would lose their health insurance due to the Obamacare law and rules about adequacy of insurance.
More here:
http://masonconservative.typepad.com/the_mason_conservative/2013/11/virginia-democrat-calls-for-forcing-doctors-to-accept-medicare-and-medicaid-patients.html (http://masonconservative.typepad.com/the_mason_conservative/2013/11/virginia-democrat-calls-for-forcing-doctors-to-accept-medicare-and-medicaid-patients.html)
To me, this is doubling down on stupid. Under ZeroCare consumers are being forced by government to purchase a product many cannot afford. Now a member of the bunch of statists that are jamming ObamaCare down our throats wants to force businessmen (physicians) to service customers (patients) at reimbursement rates that won't pay enough to keep the lights on and doors open.
When was Stalin resurrected and made a member of the Democrat party? >:(
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This is the chain of events that collectivist statism always leads to. These morons always look at the past failures and arrogantly conclude it's because the wrong people were in charge. Nonsense. They're trying to impose a system so contrary to Man's nature that coercion is the only tool they have, and it still fails in the end.
This is mainstream thought among Democrats. Jan Sh1t-kowsky recently opined that law should prohibit employers from reducing employees to part time in order to avoid the Obamacare insurance requirements. Their war is with reality. So they want a law requiring doctors to take Medicare and Medicaid? In other words, price controls. And from there it's just a hop and a skip to telling doctors they can't retire or change careers.
These socialist masterminds always end up inventing some theory of "economic wrecking" to explain why their asinine system doesn't work.
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Fascisti always expose themselves whenever they openly advocate using force. At least the goose-stepping jackass was honest...wish there was a functional opposition party acting equally honest in combating them!
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Feature! Not bug.
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And the low information voter will vote for them because they are compassionate! Economics is beyond comprehension.
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And the low information voter will vote for them because they are compassionate! Economics is beyond their comprehension. Fixed it.
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Very true. I was posting from their perspective, not as an author. It does make a difference to the reader. Fix appreciated.
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When was Stalin resurrected and made a member of the Democrat party? >:(
Yep. But that's not the correct terminology. Obastards affiliation is with the Communist Demoncrap Party.
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I'm surprised some Dem hasn't brought this up sooner. I've been reading about doctors not accepting Medicare/caid patients and I wondered how long are they going to let that go on???
I'm guessing most doctors got government loans to pay for school so the government is going to tell them what to do.
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I'm surprised some Dem hasn't brought this up sooner. I've been reading about doctors not accepting Medicare/caid patients and I wondered how long are they going to let that go on???
I'm guessing most doctors got government loans to pay for school so the government is going to tell them what to do.
Bingo. Cue "you didn't build that".
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No one can force anyone to work. This will cause more doctors to retire, or move their operations out of the country.
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I've also heard about a concierge style healthcare system, parallel to the govt system but a pay as you go cash only system used by the affluent to get good healthcare. many doctors are going to go into the private healthcare system even though obamacare stipulates a freeze on new doctor owned medical facilities so as to deter this and steer everyone into the govt system.
we will end up like Britain where only the rich get good care and the poor wait in line for treatment hoping the don't expire before they get to the front of the line
if you offer cash to many doctors today they give you discounts to avoid all insurance paperwork.
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And in Britain not only do you have to be wealthy enough to afford the private medicine on top of all the NHS taxes, from what I understand you have to actually get permission from the NHS to use the private alternative. The chief editor at Infowars is a British guy based in London, and he was talking about this on the show. He had recently been sick and had to jump through a bunch of hoops to even see a private doctor.
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No one can force anyone to work. This will cause more doctors to retire, or move their operations out of the country.
No that is not true. There was a period in our history where people were forced to work. The insitutionj was called Slavery. And that is exaclty what the Lefties want everyone to be.
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It's amazing more doctors didn't hang signs on the doors tot heir practice "Paying Customers Only, all others to the govt clinic"
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No one can force anyone to work. This will cause more doctors to retire, or move their operations out of the country.
We're seeing this already, right now this country has a shortage of about 45,000 physicians, mostly General Practitioners (family care doctors.) Despite the numbers of new medical students reported this shortage will continue to grow and will double in just a few years.
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The future of medicine in America thanks to Øblowmecare:
Dr. Lexus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oXCm4N3J_M#)
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Yeah. I'll pass!
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No one can force anyone to work. This will cause more doctors to retire, or move their operations out of the country.
No that is not true. There was a period in our history where people were forced to work. The insitutionj was called Slavery. And that is exaclty what the Lefties want everyone to be.
Then they will need to finish that wall around America...to keep people in.
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No one can force anyone to work. This will cause more doctors to retire, or move their operations out of the country.
No that is not true. There was a period in our history where people were forced to work. The insitutionj was called Slavery. And that is exaclty what the Lefties want everyone to be.
Then they will need to finish that wall around America...to keep people in.
Ironically, the Dems will gladly expedite the building of such a wall. Berlin anyone?
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Everywhere but the southern border. But they will have mines and guns pointed inward.
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what the lib/dems didn't realize is that Doctors, unlike most government workers/progressive-obsessives, are CAPITALISTS who run private businesses. they are not doctors to further leftist ideology. they are not like unionized public school teachers who are attached to the government teat.
for some reason the left envisioned doctors as happy participants in the department of health and human services, like the rest of the socialized government bureaucracy.
Wrong, they are, for the most part, in it for profit and will not cooperate with obamacare if it goes against their own best interests.
it just re-emphasizes how unconnected the progressive left has become from the realities of the world
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We have a family friend who's about to lose his job as a RN because he's bumped up against Obamacare regulations that he thinks imperils his elderly patients.
On the other hand, I have a lefty friend whose daughter is a med student. He thinks Obama is great.
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for some reason the left envisioned doctors as happy participants in the department of health and human services, like the rest of the socialized government bureaucracy.
Well sure. There were all these doctors in white coats standing with Owebama on the White House lawn praising OhGodIGotNoCare. Doctors wouldn't lie, now would they? As if they ever heard of Mengele.
Wrong, they are, for the most part, in it for profit and will not cooperate with obamacare if it goes against their own best interests.
I have to say that I don't think this is true. I believe their wealth is a by-product of their love of their job, and that job is helping people in times of medical need. My two cardios are well off, one more than the other (he has no kids while the other has two preschool young'uns). They love their job. People who love their job have a greater tendency to succeed, hence make more money, a chicken and the egg thing. Now I'm not talking about the abortion mill docs or the like, but real docs dedicated to saving lives the best way they know how thanks to their training.
it just re-emphasizes how unconnected the progressive left has become from the realities of the world
Progressives have never been connected to the real world. Everything is FantasyLand until the bills come due for them, like with the OwebamaCare health insurance premium increases. [I'm all for providing health insurance for the poor, I just didn't think I'd be paying for it!] They are true believers and think only bad things will happen to those Koch Brothers loving, poor people hating, evil rich white racist Rethuglicans who want to take away a women's right to 'choose'.
It's their priorities which have no basis in reality. But it sure as hell makes them feel good. After all, they got a participation trophy.
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Looks like the time is ripe for dem's to pick up the student loans for all medical students in order to indenture more into the nightmare...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-05/next-obamacare-debacle-massive-doctor-shortage (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-05/next-obamacare-debacle-massive-doctor-shortage)
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unless a doctor is a staff member of a hospital or healthcare facility, his private practice is a small business and while he may be a humanitarian and give free care etc. to those in need, he still needs to make enough to pay his expenses and a hefty malpractice insurance policy and have enough left over to live on, bare minimum. that is what most small businesses do too and he cannot imperil this by cooperating blindly with what the nutcases in Washington decide. he can move his very portable business to another country or work for a private healthcare firm that doesn't opt in to the obamacare system, but he won't go down just to keep obamacare alive.