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Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: charlesoakwood on April 14, 2011, 11:33:39 PM
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IRRC,
IDP called it early on when said Trump was "a liberal leaning populist".
It appears the goblins have been quickly loosed. (someone must have been worried, Karl?)
[blockquote]http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/88778/-i-ny1-exclusive---i--donald-trump-slams--evil--bush--praises-obama/
"McCain, really, that was almost an impossible situation," said Trump. Bush has been so bad, maybe the worst president in the history of this country. He has been so incompetent, so bad, so evil that I don't think any Republican could have won."
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I was at my mom's house this afternoon and Hannity came on the toob. I wasn't really paying attention but at one point looked over at the screen to see Hannity interviewing the trump. Some of what he was saying was red-meat for conservatives. Some of what he was saying was pure boilerplate. But at one point he said (paraphrase) "I thought Jimmy Carter was the worst president but we're now seeing that Obama is likely to be it".
It's one thing to make a mistake, or say something untoward or flat out stupid, but it's another thing entirely to make up sh!t in order to pander. This is exactly what I've seen the trump do for years.
This is why I encourage him to continue to plague Øbozo but hope to gaia that he pulls the plug before he Perots us all in the ass-pirations.
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I agree wholeheartedly . I made the Trump to Perot comparison this morning to my wife .
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I agree wholeheartedly . I made the Trump to Perot comparison this morning to my wife .
Trump is Perot without all the charts.
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Plus, Trumps hair is too neat, and uh, there...and he hasn't any home-spun aww-schucks good nature to him...and his ears just don't stick out far enough...other than that...
But he can keep pushing the Barry birth thing, takes the stink off us and sticks to him!
;D
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I tentatively consider Trump to be a net positive for us. He's forcing issues into the discourse that the "genteel" candidates refuse to touch just because of the "optics". He might not even make a bad President. I just don't want him to go Perot on us if the fails to secure the Republican nomination. My opinion will change dramatically if that's the case.
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This is a theory of mine (no proof):
It's called the Pied Piper Theory
He is a 'Pied Piper' using read meat rhetoric (birther) to peel off tea-partiers and strong conservatives from the repub party to ensure a obama reelection.
He will certainly not win the repub nomination (and he shouldn't) and then will declare running as an independant candidate. (by design to peel off repub voters).
I think that is his real intentions. i believe that he has already told obama what his intentions are, so that they understand his read meat rhetoric, and they are just giving him a wink and a nod.
We'll see. Just saying..........
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I tentatively consider Trump to be a net positive for us. He's forcing issues into the discourse that the "genteel" candidates refuse to touch just because of the "optics". He might not even make a bad President. I just don't want him to go Perot on us if the fails to secure the Republican nomination. My opinion will change dramatically if that's the case.
::thumbsup::
His obvious contradictions being exposed so soon indicates someone is intends to make sure he doesn't get close to the nomination. If, however, he persists we are assured there is plenty of "Trump data" for opponents to feed the new media. The chances of him going Perot are minimal.
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Sorry, but I do not trust the motives of Trump. A person who claimed Bush was the worst president in history, eclipsing the ignominious Carter, and who voted for Obama in '08, is simply not the brightest bulb on the shelf. The ability to make deals is the same qualification for president as being a community organizer was, that is, none.
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I think he is using the birther comments to sucker us.
His past record in politics indicate he is just like obama.
There really is no other explanation for his birther remarks.
He's playing the tea partiers for fools.
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I don't think Trump is any more interested in perfroming the duties of President than Obama is. I could see Trump appointing a bunch of people to take care of business while he does what he does best and that's be the Donald.
Rush asked him if he'd live at the White House. His answer was basically I guess I sort of have to. HUH? That lame answer told me a lot.
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Sorry, but I do not trust the motives of Trump. A person who claimed Bush was the worst president in history, eclipsing the ignominious Carter, and who voted for Obama in '08, is simply not the brightest bulb on the shelf. The ability to make deals is the same qualification for president as being a community organizer was, that is, none.
Hammer.
Nail.
Head.
(Welcome to the forum. Post often.)
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I don't think Trump is any more interested in perfroming the duties of President than Obama is. I could see Trump appointing a bunch of people to take care of business while he does what he does best and that's be the Donald.
Rush asked him if he'd live at the White House. His answer was basically I guess I sort of have to. HUH? That lame answer told me a lot.
I am rarely disappointed in Rush. This is one of those few times.
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I don't think Trump is any more interested in perfroming the duties of President than Obama is. I could see Trump appointing a bunch of people to take care of business while he does what he does best and that's be the Donald.
Rush asked him if he'd live at the White House. His answer was basically I guess I sort of have to. HUH? That lame answer told me a lot.
I am rarely disappointed in Rush. This is one of those few times.
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I don't think Trump is any more interested in perfroming the duties of President than Obama is. I could see Trump appointing a bunch of people to take care of business while he does what he does best and that's be the Donald.
Rush asked him if he'd live at the White House. His answer was basically I guess I sort of have to. HUH? That lame answer told me a lot.
I am rarely disappointed in Rush. This is one of those few times.
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Charles, they're referring to Rush's borderline shilling for Trump over the past several weeks. I will admit that the tacit approval from Rush (by giving Trump access to his audience) encouraged me to see the Trump experiment as perhaps not being a joke after all. Rush has through exposition revealed that he knows Trump personally, and while not actually endorsing him the weight of his (Rush) influence is probably the thing that put wind in Trump's political sails over the past few weeks.
Listening to Mark Levin's show last night disabused me of any notions about a Trump campaign. He lays out ample evidence that Trump is not even remotely a conservative, and was providing this ample evidence as recently as 2009. Levin pointed out that recent Tea Party interest in Trump, to the extent that it exists, is due to personality cult. I think he is right, and I even fell for it a bit. When the Left is so big on cult of personality, I think it is natural for us to initially feel a sense of enamor and excitement at the prospect of our own, but ultimately that is not who we are. We've had a few threads about it here, this tendency to find a Superman.
I still think Trump's participation could be useful to the extent that he lays into Obama on issues that the "serious" candidates won't touch, but I am now likewise convinced that it would be a huge mistake for him to be given real traction in Tea Party circles. I recommend everyone listen to Mark Levin's show from April 15, he spends much of the first hour on this subject. Levin's shows are made available free of charge here: http://marklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930 (http://marklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930)
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I don't trust Donald Trump, it's as simple as that for me. His unprincipled stances of the past in conjunction with his support of Democrats and liberal policies does not wash with the conservative he's trying to make himself out to be.
My gut tells me that at best, he's an egomaniac who is doing this for his own aggrandizement, and who will betray conservatives should he win the Presidency. At worst, he's a stalking horse for Obama or even Hillary Clinton should she primary Obama, who will either capture the GOP nomination and lose, or who will run against the GOP nominee as an independent.
I may be wrong. Trump may be everything he's now saying he is. But I don't think I'm wrong.
And I'll repeat my greatest fear regarding a potential GOP nomination of Donald Trump. What happens now that he's placed so much emphasis on the Birth Certificate issue, when Obama trots out the Long Form certificate a couple weeks before the election? Donald Trump is gambling that there is no certificate. That may be a gamble upon which he's willing to stake a presidential run, but it is not a gamble upon which the GOP can trust a nominee.
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[blockquote]Glock32
...they're referring to Rush's borderline shilling for Trump over the past several weeks. I will admit that the tacit approval from Rush (by giving Trump access to his audience) encouraged me to see the Trump experiment as perhaps not being a joke after all. Rush has through exposition revealed that he knows Trump personally, and while not actually endorsing him the weight of his (Rush) influence is probably the thing that put wind in Trump's political sails over the past few weeks.[/blockquote]
At the beginning of the '08 election Rush said he was not going to carry the water for the Republican party anymore. Recently he disparaged the current Republicans and cited Trump and the positive response to him. Why is he getting such positive response he asked. He is receiving it because he is taking it (the fight) to them.
I think he is giving the Donald air time because he is the only person, at this time, engaging the opposition with intent, not to win, but to beat/defeat them. That is an important strategical point lost to most Republicans.
It is an object lesson and a challenge for someone to step up to the plate.
Batter up.
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Rush also recently admonished a caller that going the Third Party route was a recipe for defeat. Like most of us Rush is disgusted with what passes for leadership in the Republican party, but he's definitely still on board with the party.
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The best thing to do is take over the Party from the inside.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sarah-palin-power-donald-trump-raising-birther-questions/story?id=13344701 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sarah-palin-power-donald-trump-raising-birther-questions/story?id=13344701)
Sarah Palin: 'More Power' to Donald Trump for Raising 'Birther' Questions "I appreciate that the Donald wants to spend his resources on something that so interests him and so many Americans, you know more power to him," Palin said Sunday on the "Judge Jeanine" show on Fox News.
All You Need is love from BANDAGED TOGETHER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBsXOKvi3Ss#ws)
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trumps-political-pit-bull-meet-michael-cohen/story?id=13386747
The man behind Donald Trump's possible 2012 presidential campaign is a registered Democrat who voted for Barack Obama in 2008.
I have come not to kill the Donald but to praise him. yat taa da da daa
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Rush also recently admonished a caller that going the Third Party route was a recipe for defeat. Like most of us Rush is disgusted with what passes for leadership in the Republican party, but he's definitely still on board with the party.
He is on board with the two party system and recognizes the utter futility of mounting any kind of third party challenge.
I think he is giving the Donald air time because he is the only person, at this time, engaging the opposition with intent, not to win, but to beat/defeat them. That is an important strategical point lost to most Republicans.
It's also a very thin line to navigate. He has to allow the fire to burn the Democrats but still keep it in the bottle so that it doesn't consume their only logical opposition.
Rush is a smart guy and I have a lot of confidence in him but this is dangerous.
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I think Trump's presidential interest stems from his business interests.
While he may be a great businessman I don't see him as a good leader. Not with that ego.
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Rush also recently admonished a caller that going the Third Party route was a recipe for defeat. Like most of us Rush is disgusted with what passes for leadership in the Republican party, but he's definitely still on board with the party.
He is on board with the two party system and recognizes the utter futility of mounting any kind of third party challenge.
I think he is giving the Donald air time because he is the only person, at this time, engaging the opposition with intent, not to win, but to beat/defeat them. That is an important strategical point lost to most Republicans.
It's also a very thin line to navigate. He has to allow the fire to burn the Democrats but still keep it in the bottle so that it doesn't consume their only logical opposition.
Rush is a smart guy and I have a lot of confidence in him but this is dangerous.
Dangerous times call for dangerous action and he is best suited for the task.
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Paul at Stuff Black People Don't Like has found (http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2011/04/donald-trump-blacks-and-mein-obama.html) something that black people really don't like: Donald Trump. Or rather, they used to like him, but now they're up in arms against him for his attacks on Obama, for his criticisms of blacks over their uniform support for Obama, which he called "frightening," and for his startlingly retro and un-PC phrase, "the blacks."
Donald Trump's new role as a Birther has been making headlines for weeks now. And despite some heavy backlash from the African-American community, Trump still seems to think all is well. "I have a great relationship with the blacks," he said after calling into Fred Dicker's radio show this morning, going on to say that the overwhelming black support for President Obama is "frightening."
Instead of viewing the business mogul as crazy, some African Americans are now claiming that the outlandish Birther accusations are downright racist. "There's a lot of people that I've talked to [who] instinctively think that he's using the issue as a proxy for race," Urban League President Marc Morial told Politico. "It's like a modern-day Salem witch trial -- because there's no merit to it."
Black celebrities have been quite vocal in their criticism of The Apprentice creator. "As a people, we celebrated his business acumen; purchased his books and anything else with the Trump name we could get our hands on," Goldie Taylor wrote on The Grio. "Now among African-Americans, the once gilded Trump brand is about as worthless as a plug nickel. I'm not calling Trump a racist. But he ought to quit quacking before people start believing he's a duck."
Paul positively defends the phrase, "the blacks," saying that it accurately denotes the monolithic nature of black thinking, as shown, for example, by Bill Cosby's recent turn against Trump:
That Bill Cosby, a man hated by "the blacks" for his vociferous attacks against their immersion into degeneracy, would defend Mein Obama against Trump's legitimate criticism tells you all you need to know about the monolithic nature of "The blacks." ...
"The blacks" is the most accurate way to describe the collective black mind. Donald Trump's soft jabs at Mein Obama have even Bill Cosby returning to monolithic black thought.
Auster (http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/019128.html)
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IDP said on another thread, and I agree, that Trump is a stalking horse for the Democrats.
Obama's only chance for re-election is to divide the conservative vote.
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IDP said on another thread, and I agree, that Trump is a stalking horse for the Democrats.
Obama's only chance for re-election is to divide the conservative vote.
I heard Trump say that if doesn't think he can win it he'll pull out because he doesn't want to steal votes from the Repubs. I have to take him at his word at this time.
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I don't think he'd go far in the primaries, and so if he serves as a foil to raise the issues others won't, fine with me. Of course I never thought we'd nominate a RINO again...so I've been wrong before...
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:P
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I don't think he'd go far in the primaries, and so if he serves as a foil to raise the issues others won't, fine with me. Of course I never thought we'd nominate a RINO again...so I've been wrong before...
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I think there are enough people out who are sick of where this country is going but are afraid of anyone with any kind of religious or military affinity so they will probably see Trump as the answer.
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I don't think he'd go far in the primaries, and so if he serves as a foil to raise the issues others won't, fine with me. Of course I never thought we'd nominate a RINO again...so I've been wrong before...
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I think there are enough people out who are sick of where this country is going but are afraid of anyone with any kind of religious or military affinity so they will probably see Trump as the answer.
Are those the same people who thought J-Mac was the answer? Such people sound like ripe pickings for a manipulative bastard like The Butthead...and the Rovian's have been uncharacteristically quiet...which tells me they are up to no good!
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I don't think he'd go far in the primaries, and so if he serves as a foil to raise the issues others won't, fine with me. Of course I never thought we'd nominate a RINO again...so I've been wrong before...
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:P
I think there are enough people out who are sick of where this country is going but are afraid of anyone with any kind of religious or military affinity so they will probably see Trump as the answer.
Are those the same people who thought J-Mac was the answer? Such people sound like ripe pickings for a manipulative bastard like The Butthead...and the Rovian's have been uncharacteristically quiet...which tells me they are up to no good!
:o ::thumbsup::
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Are those the same people who thought J-Mac was the answer? Such people sound like ripe pickings for a manipulative bastard like The Butthead...and the Rovian's have been uncharacteristically quiet...which tells me they are up to no good!
I would say they are the same people. They might not like Obama but anyone with strong principles like Palin or West, etc makes them "itch". They keep hoping someone like McCain will be the answer so they don't have to reassess their own beliefs and choices.
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Are those the same people who thought J-Mac was the answer? Such people sound like ripe pickings for a manipulative bastard like The Butthead...and the Rovian's have been uncharacteristically quiet...which tells me they are up to no good!
I would say they are the same people. They might not like Obama but anyone with strong principles like Palin or West, etc makes them "itch". They keep hoping someone like McCain will be the answer so they don't have to reassess their own beliefs and choices.
Heh, cowards then! No stomach for them either!
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I think you're right. We live in an era where unprincipled "for hire" values are considered virtuous. It has the superficial trappings of moderation, of calm and reasoned evaluation of the facts at hand, but in reality it's to adhere to incoherent and often contradictory positions.
The good news (if you can call it that) is that reality will not be forestalled much longer, so they can wring their hands and wish upon a star as much as they want. It's like the people who say they're not "willing" to "accept" changes to Social Security. Well guess what? Change is a coming. You can either do some preemptive, proactive reforms and control the change, or you can demagogue about old people eating dog food and dying in gutters until the whole system blows up in our faces, i.e. what we might call uncontrolled "change".
What moral cowardice corrupts the modern citizenry!
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...We live in an era where unprincipled "for hire" values are considered virtuous. It has the superficial trappings of moderation, of calm and reasoned evaluation of the facts at hand...
You nailed it with that description. Those people make me sick.
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...We live in an era where unprincipled "for hire" values are considered virtuous. It has the superficial trappings of moderation, of calm and reasoned evaluation of the facts at hand...
You nailed it with that description. Those people make me sick.
...We live in an era where unprincipled "for hire" values are considered virtuous. It has the superficial trappings of moderation, of calm and reasoned evaluation of the facts at hand...
You nailed it with that description. Those people make me sick.
Of a willingness to examine both sides, of balance, because Principles aren't automatically heavily weighted; they're only one factor to "consider".
They make me sick as well.
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Of a willingness to examine both sides, of balance, because Principles aren't automatically heavily weighted; they're only one factor to "consider".
They make me sick as well.
The underlying assumption is that if you're balanced and open to both sides you will be able to prove it -- by agreeing with them!
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Trump is most likely "for hire"....or maybe, imo, a better description may be Trump does things (like vote obama, call Bush worst President, etc) because he may recognize a business advantage. An opportunist who can justify his actions because he may aquire a future consideration.
An example would be his railing over product made in China and its damage to the USA...but admits he buys from them because of reduced costs.
I believe Trump would be sound fiscally. We need a business mindset to take care of this debt. The more I listen to him on other matters..the more I doubt his sincerely....But in money matters, i'll trust the Donald over these other asshats. It is one area he has expertise not lay out the lines of bullchit.
Certainly hope he is being honest about not running if it would divide the conservative vote.
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He will not run for president. His business is a hands on operation. If he becomes president it will be necessary to put operations into some form of trust and he can't do that. If he turned the strings over to someone else Trump enterprises would go into receivership.
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He will not run for president. His business is a hands on operation. If he becomes president it will be necessary to put operations into some form of trust and he can't do that. If he turned the strings over to someone else Trump enterprises would go into receivership.
I agree he won't run but his son and daughter have been groomed since they were born.He's just a master at free publicity.
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He's just a master at free publicity.
I think he's up to something and it's not running for prez. Last week as he ended his conversation with Rush about when he'd announce he said something to the effect "I might surprise you."
Well, running won't surprise anyone. I think he has other ideas. What? I'm not sure. I think he may endorse someone else.
I've never thought Trump would give up his businesses. He strikes me as someone used to his own timetable and whims. I can't see him giving that up.
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If he decides to assume a king-maker role and chooses the wrong candidate...
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If he decides to assume a king-maker role and chooses the wrong candidate...
That's a devilish question. His endorsement could be worse than him running. However, a little op research and the endorser and endorsee could be discredited. As long as things are out of the hands of LEADERSHIP we'll be OK.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2011/04/donald-trumps-solution-on-gas-prices-get-tough-with-saudi-arabia-seize-oil-fields-in-libya-and-iraq.html
And Trump was even more specific on what he would do with the Iraq oil fields: seize them.
Trump: George, let me explain something to you. We go into Iraq. We have spent thus far, $1.5 trillion. We could have rebuilt half of the United States. $1.5 trillion. And we’re going to then leave. So, in the old days, you know when you had a war, to the victor belong the spoils. You go in. You win the war and you take it.
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Stephanopoulos: It would take hundreds of thousands of troops to secure the oil fields.
Trump: Excuse me. No, it wouldn’t at all.
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Stephanopoulos: So, we steal an oil field?
Trump: Excuse me. You’re not stealing. Excuse me. You’re not stealing anything. You’re taking-- we’re reimbursing ourselves-- at least, at a minimum, and I say more. We’re taking back $1.5 trillion to reimburse ourselves.
I do have visions of some hot old guns with snifters speculating whether the Donald would really let them do what they do best.
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On the outside chance that Trump were to receive the Republican nomination , the only way Stymie could lose would be if he was caught by Michele , in bed with a dead girl or a live boy . ( Hat tip to Edwin Edwards of Louisiana .)
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Trump is running! So sayeth Charles Krauthammer tonight on Fox.
Charles apparently said hard words yesterday and the Donald called him today and impressed him that he is a serious person and a serious candidate.
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Trump is running! So sayeth Charles Krauthammer tonight on Fox.
Charles apparently said hard words yesterday and the Donald called him today and impressed him that he is a serious person and a serious candidate.
ding...ding...ding...ding...ding...ding...ding...ding...ding...ding...ding
I heard that today and I'll tell you I still don't buy it. It's not beneath Trump to lie his ass off.I see this as the final test before he make the financial investment he'll need to make.
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I'm not a fan of the Donald, either. If he winds up being my only choice, then so be it. It would be like voting for the goat who has more sense than a liberal.
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http://minx.cc/?post=315157 (http://minx.cc/?post=315157)
And Trump, he [Bill Kristol] agrees, is performing a useful function by, as I said, "treating Obama like an ordinary politician" and beating hell out of him -- not only does this bring Obama down to earth, and make it seem less taboo to not treat him with the deference reserved for the Sun King, but heck, who knows, maybe more Republicans will get the hint that it's okay to start hitting Obama hard.
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http://minx.cc/?post=315157 (http://minx.cc/?post=315157)
And Trump, he [Bill Kristol] agrees, is performing a useful function by, as I said, "treating Obama like an ordinary politician" and beating hell out of him -- not only does this bring Obama down to earth, and make it seem less taboo to not treat him with the deference reserved for the Sun King, but heck, who knows, maybe more Republicans will get the hint that it's okay to start hitting Obama hard.
He is an ordinary politician.Call him out and make him defend every breath he takes.
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...He is an ordinary politician.Call him out and make him defend every breath he takes.
As I've said before, liberalism IS defending the indefensible.
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...He is an ordinary politician.Call him out and make him defend every breath he takes.
As I've said before, liberalism IS defending the indefensible.
And the Ruling Class pukes in the GOP are complicit in allowing them to control the debate and the candidate selections in too many races!
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...He is an ordinary politician.Call him out and make him defend every breath he takes.
As I've said before, liberalism IS defending the indefensible.
And making them stand there and try an defend it is the job of the GOP.Make them repeat the nonsense answers till it dawn on people that it is BS. The problem with the general public is that they have the memory of an Alzheimer patient.