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Topics => TEOTWAWKI => Topic started by: Glock32 on January 17, 2014, 12:39:11 PM
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In any discussion of TEOTWAWKI/SHTF/Prepping people talk about stocking up on certain essentials. Commonly mentioned items are food, water, ammunition, things like that. Fuel is another big one. It's one of those things that requires a functioning industrial supply chain. There's no foraging from the land like you could for food and water. So your only real option is to store it.
I just bought a few of these NATO fuel cans. They're made in the UK by a supplier to the British military, and made to NATO specifications. The inside of the can is coated to protect the metal from corrosion by any water or ethanol in the fuel, and uses a secure locking latch mechanism. Unlike the hardware store plastic gas cans, these will not vent or leak so there is no odor from the fuel. They're very rugged and meant to be used by a mechanized army on the move. I figured those traits make them a perfect choice for long term fuel storage.
Just thought I would share this link to anyone interested. There's a lot of crappy Chinese knockoffs out there, but these are the real deal. If you're looking for authentic NATO fuel cans: http://www.roverparts.com/Parts/GJC20.cfm (http://www.roverparts.com/Parts/GJC20.cfm)
The EPA took some ridiculous California state rules and made them national a few years ago, meaning these cans are technically no longer allowed for fuel storage even though they have been a mainstay of armies since before WWII. I give no credence to that rule whatsoever and intend to do what I want with these cans.
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Hard to get quality stuff. You got yours from the linked outfit? I'd like something better than the crappy metal one I have from Menards and the cheap plastic buggers from whereverthehell!
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Thanks, Glock. We've got a few older metal cans and can use a few more.
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Hard to get quality stuff. You got yours from the linked outfit? I'd like something better than the crappy metal one I have from Menards and the cheap plastic buggers from whereverthehell!
Yep I ordered a set of 4 from the linked outfit. I will post more about them when I get them. My goal is to, at a minimum, have enough gasoline on hand to fill the tank of my car. I figure I'll fill them up, mix in some stabilizer, and slowly rotate through them to keep the fuel relatively fresh.
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To me, it's not so much the storage container as it is the short shelf life of light petroleum (gas, diesel, etc...)
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Thanks for the link, may have to get a couple just to get rid of the pieces of worthless junk I have now
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I just bought a few of these NATO fuel cans. They're made in the UK by a supplier to the British military, and made to NATO specifications. The inside of the can is coated to protect the metal from corrosion by any water or ethanol in the fuel, and uses a secure locking latch mechanism. Unlike the hardware store plastic gas cans, these will not vent or leak so there is no odor from the fuel. They're very rugged and meant to be used by a mechanized army on the move. I figured those traits make them a perfect choice for long term fuel storage.
I brought these to Gunsmith's attention and he noted that the advert says "non-potable water". From where did you get the above information about made to NATO specs and fuel use?
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I just bought a few of these NATO fuel cans. They're made in the UK by a supplier to the British military, and made to NATO specifications. The inside of the can is coated to protect the metal from corrosion by any water or ethanol in the fuel, and uses a secure locking latch mechanism. Unlike the hardware store plastic gas cans, these will not vent or leak so there is no odor from the fuel. They're very rugged and meant to be used by a mechanized army on the move. I figured those traits make them a perfect choice for long term fuel storage.
I brought these to Gunsmith's attention and he noted that the advert says "non-potable water". From where did you get the above information about made to NATO specs and fuel use?
I've been familiar with this particular seller for a while now. They are frequently mentioned on various gun boards and other forums with a survivalist angle. Here is one, but you'll see these cans discussed in a bunch of other places too: http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=10&f=17&t=655096 (http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=10&f=17&t=655096)
The "for non-potable water" disclaimer is because they can no longer be technically sold as fuel canisters, not since 2009 when the EPA deigned to take California's CARB rules national. Same reason you can no longer find a gas can with a vent.
ETA - some additional discussion of these cans here: http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?89910-Heads-up-on-gas-can-deal (http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?89910-Heads-up-on-gas-can-deal)
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The "for non-potable water" disclaimer is because they can no longer be technically sold as fuel canisters, not since 2009 when the EPA deigned to take California's CARB rules national. Same reason you can no longer find a gas can with a vent.
Yah, I had a feeling that's what that was about, but I said I'd check with you on it. Thanks for the links, too, Glock.
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I received my pack of 4 jerry cans today. I am really impressed with the quality. Turns out these are made by Valpro, a Latvian company that supplies a bunch of different NATO armies. They were shipped in their original shipping carton from the factory, which is labeled "20 L fuel cans". There is no question that these are meant for petroleum fuels and any disclaimer about non-potable water is just a wink and a nod from domestic retailers.
Here's a link to the manufacturer with the specifications: http://www.valpro.lv/en/products/steel-cans/military.html (http://www.valpro.lv/en/products/steel-cans/military.html)
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Order for four placed.
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Cool. I think you will be pleased with them. I also ordered one of the spouts. I got the fixed rather than flexible type, supposedly the fixed spout is better. It's pretty nifty. Uses the same bayonet type locking lugs as the cap, with the same type of rubber gasket. It comes with a spout holder that screws onto the can and holds the spout between two of the handles when it's not in use.
After looking at how tough and well designed these jerry cans are, I don't know why I ever bothered with those crappy plastic cans with their asinine EPA-mandated spouts. I might be getting some more of these. Never thought I'd get excited about the FedEx man delivering gas cans.
Torture test:
VALPRO jerry can tests (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25PDRWXnGKg#)
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Order for four placed.
Did you get yours yet? If anyone is interested, I found another supplier at www.jerrycan.com (http://www.jerrycan.com). They appear to be the same cans, but this place has multiple colors available.
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Order for four placed.
Did you get yours yet? If anyone is interested, I found another supplier at www.jerrycan.com (http://www.jerrycan.com). They appear to be the same cans, but this place has multiple colors available.
I did get them, and they're everything they're supposed to be -- so far. Haven't filled them yet, but I figure they'll be fine.
I wish I had thought to get a couple of spouts, too, so I have to order them.
Thanks for the heads-up on this, Glock.
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I haven't filled mine yet either. I'm sort of thinking about waiting until I can go to a station that sells ethanol-free fuel. Either way, I'll be adding a stabilizer when I fill them. I read a few other forums about long term fuel storage, and a lot of people were recommending a fuel stabilizer called Star Tron. I found it at Lowe's, and I think Wal-Mart carries it as well. People were saying it works better than Stabil for longer term storage.
On mine, I put a 6" strip of red reflector tape on the side of the cans. I figure that will serve as a good enough indicator that it's gasoline. I might pick up a couple of cans from the other seller (jerrycan.com) in blue and yellow in case I need to store kerosene and diesel.
When you look at these cans you can tell a lot of thought was put into their design and construction. The air void at the top, behind the handles, is above the mouth of the spout so it's impossible to fill the can so much that it doesn't pour smoothly. The air void was also designed to be large enough to make a full can buoyant if it falls into water. I just appreciate ingenious, deceptively simple design like that.
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I ordered one of the red cans from jerrycan.com and received it this week. It's just like the others other than the color. Here are some pics of what you will receive if you order these. They're very robust cans, and would be much better for SHTF purposes than the plastic ones.
(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff269/halo707/Forums/th_F31549A5-0591-48FD-A27B-B3982E6F7641_zpsn4k2ycpa.jpg) (http://s242.photobucket.com/user/halo707/media/Forums/F31549A5-0591-48FD-A27B-B3982E6F7641_zpsn4k2ycpa.jpg.html)
(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff269/halo707/Forums/th_A3F9AB5D-099B-45C6-B9F8-E3B0C6F2EEFA_zpsiinpax4f.jpg) (http://s242.photobucket.com/user/halo707/media/Forums/A3F9AB5D-099B-45C6-B9F8-E3B0C6F2EEFA_zpsiinpax4f.jpg.html)
(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff269/halo707/Forums/th_ACE90492-AFA4-4177-8CFC-BF04E6245B25_zps7ectmlxu.jpg) (http://s242.photobucket.com/user/halo707/media/Forums/ACE90492-AFA4-4177-8CFC-BF04E6245B25_zps7ectmlxu.jpg.html)
(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff269/halo707/Forums/th_B4792813-8DB2-4897-B0C1-5384D1FD81F9_zpskiny8kdg.jpg) (http://s242.photobucket.com/user/halo707/media/Forums/B4792813-8DB2-4897-B0C1-5384D1FD81F9_zpskiny8kdg.jpg.html)
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Nice. These are definitely on my "list"! ::thumbsup::
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Heads up: these are on sale now.
http://www.roverparts.com/Parts/GJC20 (http://www.roverparts.com/Parts/GJC20)
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Thanks! I got to get an order in before I forget!
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Cheaper here
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/us-military-surplus-style-20l-5-1-4-gal-jerry-can-olive-drab.aspx?a=984598 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/us-military-surplus-style-20l-5-1-4-gal-jerry-can-olive-drab.aspx?a=984598)
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/us-military-style-20l-5-1-4-gal-jerry-can-olive-drab.aspx?a=904142 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/us-military-style-20l-5-1-4-gal-jerry-can-olive-drab.aspx?a=904142)
Its where I got mine. I was doing a large enough order I joined the "club"
lots of other useful stuff. Surgical kit. Bathtub shaped water storage. Sand bags...
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Cheaper here
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/us-military-surplus-style-20l-5-1-4-gal-jerry-can-olive-drab.aspx?a=984598 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/us-military-surplus-style-20l-5-1-4-gal-jerry-can-olive-drab.aspx?a=984598)
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/us-military-style-20l-5-1-4-gal-jerry-can-olive-drab.aspx?a=904142 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/us-military-style-20l-5-1-4-gal-jerry-can-olive-drab.aspx?a=904142)
Its where I got mine. I was doing a large enough order I joined the "club"
lots of other useful stuff. Surgical kit. Bathtub shaped water storage. Sand bags...
Have the EPA regs "affected" these cans, Weisshaupt? How are yours performing?
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Found this, too, just in case ...
How to Fix a New Gas Can (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lcnwdIYEfI#ws)
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How have your cans from Sportsmans Guide worked out? The one caution I'd heard about the cheaper Chinese cans is that they are susceptible to rusting on the inside, especially with ethanol-containing fuels, and that they use rolled seams rather than a full seam weld so are more prone to leaking if they get knocked around.
I've been very pleased with my jerry cans so far. There is not one bit of odor with them.
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How have your cans from Sportsmans Guide worked out? The one caution I'd heard about the cheaper Chinese cans is that they are susceptible to rusting on the inside, especially with ethanol-containing fuels, and that they use rolled seams rather than a full seam weld so are more prone to leaking if they get knocked around.
I've been very pleased with my jerry cans so far. There is not one bit of odor with them.
So far they are fine. No Smell. Tight seal. The pin is sometimes a bit hard to jimmy out, but not bad.
They seem pretty solid (but I haven't thrown one in my truck to knock it about and make it leak. )
No rust yet, but who knows... haven't had them long enough...