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Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: Pablo de Fleurs on March 02, 2014, 03:08:47 PM

Title: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on March 02, 2014, 03:08:47 PM
I'll be less visible thru June as i work with David Larsen's campaign to primary RINO Leonard Lance...setting up an NJ HQ this afternoon, then canvassing for signatures in the upper crust neighborhoods of Central Jersey.

Wish us luck!

www.DavidLarsenforCongress.com (http://www.DavidLarsenforCongress.com)
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pandora on March 02, 2014, 03:24:07 PM
Luck!

"See" ya on the flip side.
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on March 02, 2014, 03:56:43 PM
Good for you, Pablo!
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: AlanS on March 02, 2014, 04:52:44 PM
Good luck.  ::thumbsup::You're going to need it.
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Libertas on March 02, 2014, 09:59:22 PM
For NJ I am guessing this is maybe the only rural district in the state?  Conservatives of any stripe have to be an endangered species in most parts.  Good luck to you both!
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on March 13, 2014, 08:38:55 PM
A few snapshots of the new NJ HQ...

(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/gablabs/2013%20Blog%20Art/Larsen1_zps41edf4b7.jpg)

(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/gablabs/2013%20Blog%20Art/Larsen3_zpsb28cb90c.jpg)

(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/gablabs/2013%20Blog%20Art/Larsen2_zpsd28474af.jpg)
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Alphabet Soup on March 13, 2014, 09:45:56 PM
Bullet-proof glass?
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2014, 07:16:30 AM
Yeah, also what I was thinking...along with good security systems and fire protection...

This is NJ after all!

Reagan's name proudly presented...Reagan's picture prominent...I love it, but that has to be about as potentially dangerous as John McClain walking through Harlem...
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on March 22, 2014, 09:09:59 PM
...learning a lot on the campaign trail. I can create maps & walk-lists using specialized software into which we plug specific criteria (party affiliation, primary voting history, precinct, income, etc) - but I'm "back-up" on that task as we have 2 systems engineers whose primary responsibility is "Maps".

I'm now in charge of volunteer coordination & have been interviewing moms, dads, college students, high schoolers, Eagle Scouts, Naval Academy enrollees...etc for everything from stuffing envelopes to knocking on district doors, manning phones & putting up signs (some of which read 'www.WhoIsDavidLarsen.com (http://www.WhoIsDavidLarsen.com)'). Already 2 of my high-traffic signs (literally placed on island merges to interstates) have been torn down by the competition....

...but it's great rubbing shoulders with both the candidate & his family as well as like-minded men & women (many concerned about the stripping of religious freedoms) who view this as a service to their country (getting one more conservative into Washington).

More as activities develop
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pandora on March 22, 2014, 11:42:54 PM
Update appreciated.
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: AlanS on March 23, 2014, 08:35:39 AM
Update appreciated.

This. And good luck, Pablo!
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Libertas on March 23, 2014, 10:03:00 AM
...By "the competition" do you mean Democrats or Rovians?  Not that there is a lot of difference...

Deus vobis iter!
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on March 23, 2014, 06:19:43 PM
...By "the competition" do you mean Democrats or Rovians?  Not that there is a lot of difference...

Deus vobis iter!

Good question...& damned if I know. We're Tea Party all the way...& I'm up to 4 pilfered signs now (2 were there on my way to church, but not on the way home)...not that it matters, I have a trunk full of "more-where-that-came-from"... ::rockets::
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Alphabet Soup on March 23, 2014, 07:07:03 PM
Pablo - we used MS Streets And Trips (mapping program) for our campaign signs. We would add a push-pin at each intersection with color-coding to indicate which type and size. Then we could easily patrol and replace without time wasting guesswork ("Didn't we have a sign at 4th and Cedar"?)

The pilferage was really bad on our last campaign - don't let it get to you!
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: richb on March 23, 2014, 07:23:46 PM
My brother worked for a local candidate that had a theft problem.   Common problem nationwide for conservatives as Democrats,  other lefties,  and I imagine even RINO's think nothing of stealing signs.  (but god forbid if our side did it)

My brother finally started putting stickers on the backsides of stop signs (if you put them on the front,  the road department will take them down or replace the sign).    But they seem to leave them on the back (some in fact are still up).    Stickers are hard to steal.........   And you do notice them,  since you are coming to a stop in the other direction.   I imagine its illegal,  but who cares,  they aren't playing by the rules either.

He especially loved putting them on residential corners  where there were houses with a bunch of Democrat signs.   Our area is majority Democrat as Illinois barfs across the border a bit into NW Indiana. 
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: John Florida on March 23, 2014, 08:44:27 PM
  Don't forget to recycle those signs.
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Libertas on March 24, 2014, 07:35:41 AM
My mind being what it is gravitates toward ways I could make sign swiping more painful for the perpetrators!  Sharp edges, slime...etc...

 ::evil::
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: warpmine on March 24, 2014, 07:50:13 AM
My mind being what it is gravitates toward ways I could make sign swiping more painful for the perpetrators!  Sharp edges, slime...etc...

 ::evil::
Tree sap, it's a real PIA to get off your hands
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Libertas on March 24, 2014, 07:59:09 AM
My mind being what it is gravitates toward ways I could make sign swiping more painful for the perpetrators!  Sharp edges, slime...etc...

 ::evil::
Tree sap, it's a real PIA to get off your hands

Good call!  Yes, I especially despise that pine sap, stuff is nasty! 
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on April 10, 2014, 08:03:51 PM
Whew!

I'm getting almost as much exercise walking towns & knocking on doors as I am when I run. The ground game is interesting : respectable moms in prestigious neighborhoods telling me what a "sh*thole" this country is becoming & what a __[cannot even write it here]__ Obama is ;D (loving it!)

Meetings...from the Croton Rod & Gun Club (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Croton-Rod-Gun-Club/160217347340739)...to a Warren, NJ Town Hall...& a senior center in Montgomery Twp...are all packed with concerned & aware folks recognizing our nation's plight...

...keeping my fingers crossed & prayers refreshed that we can pull this off...
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pandora on April 10, 2014, 09:30:54 PM
Praying with you.  NJ not exactly a bastion of conservatism, but about time they opened their eyes.
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Libertas on April 11, 2014, 06:54:50 AM
Amen, let it be so.
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: AlanS on April 11, 2014, 09:58:01 AM
Sounds like it's going well so far. Keep up the good fight!!
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on April 29, 2014, 09:04:08 PM
Update:
Saddened by the realization that the National Right to Life (and New Jersey Right to Life) are bullsh*te organizations who receive BIG dollars from the establishment GOP & will endorse candidates (like Leonard Lance) who are pro-choice due to the flow of, uhm...money. We were banned from advertising in their newsletter (Lance did last year) & our money sent back to us as they told us we could not attend their upcoming evening fundraising event...

...we will be outside the venue's doors, protesting & spreading truth. God-damned bastards.

We are gaining momentum - tonight's Town Hall was packed & Larsen was on fire & on message.
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: AlanS on April 30, 2014, 05:24:57 AM
Update:
Saddened by the realization that the National Right to Life (and New Jersey Right to Life) are bullsh*te organizations who receive BIG dollars from the establishment GOP & will endorse candidates (like Leonard Lance) who are pro-choice due to the flow of, uhm...money.

I thinking I should be shocked with little tidbit of info, but I feel numb.
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Libertas on April 30, 2014, 06:53:58 AM
They should be forced to rename themselves honestly...

National Right to (Some, not all) Life (based upon political contributions).

Or, just National Right to Some Life for short.
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on May 02, 2014, 10:55:22 AM
Heh. A little Friday humor. Like I said, working the campaign's got me a little ramped up against authority of any kind.

I went for my morning run early this AM. I run 3 trails & this morning the one which takes me through a county park was next up. As I approached the park I could see that the gates were closed & a “Closed” sign was attached to the gate’s front. My guess was that the heavy rains had flooded the internal ball fields & a few roads…none of which would pose a problem for the path I was taking.

As I have run that park for over 20 years, I bypassed the gate & entered the park. About a mile into the park, I heard a faint “Hey”…& then another, closer. The growing hum of an ATV told me I was about to have a conversation with a park ranger:

“Excuse me!?” –I heard from behind (1 woman/1 young man).
“Yeah?” – me, turning around & beginning to run backwards
“So…like the park’s closed – there are signs, like…all over.” – came the reply.
“Ooops, sorry…I’ll be out in a minute, then” -  still running backwards, turning around & speeding up – sound of ATV turning around “he said he’ll be out in a minute”).

And…being ¾’s of a mile from the park’s main entrance…I could have ended it all right there; but…I chose to take another trail that would give me another mile of woods (exiting the park’s lower entrance over a small walking bridge)  AND I made sure they saw me take it.

Now I’m approximately 2 miles into the park - about ¾’s of a mile on the trail, I heard the ATV…this time with 2 big guys. They passed me & came to a stop a few yards ahead of me & loudly declared that the “trails were closed!”
I yelled back (over the ATV engine) “I know that, I’m on my way out..under the same steam that got me in” Then they sped up, attempting to fling mud on me from the trail with their tires…BUT, slipped off the trail onto a sloped wooded area…which was no problem for their vehicle…but made it fun to run by & wave as I exited over the bridge.

I’m a taxpayer, dammit…& I’ll use my park whenever I darry-gam please.

(btw, NONE of the 4 puffy bastards were in shape enough to catch me on foot…even if they tried)
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Libertas on May 02, 2014, 11:50:47 AM
Heh, hilarious.  Being a puffy bastard myself no way would I try to run after ya...it wouldn't come up anyway, if I was a park ranger I'd have to also be queer, progressive and dumb as a box of rocks...and that ain't gonna happen!
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: richb on May 02, 2014, 03:26:15 PM
Reminds me of my security guard days in college.   Since its a college,  you get a streaker once in a while.   Never caught one, ever,  the boss asked once,  "how did he get away"?   I say,  "do you really want to caught that?"  He smiles and say,  "that's true,  didn't think about it that way"  ha ha.    "Its not like I didn't know who it was,  so you can write a ticket and leave it on his door in the morning.   No problem".   

That's how you police a community,  keep it small so you know all the players.  Can't do that at the big state U.   

But love the story about the dumb rangers.   They probably caused more damage then the flooding,  and hopefully their bosses saw the mess (Ok, they probably didn't). 
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: MacWell™ on May 02, 2014, 06:20:39 PM
Where do I sign Pablo?
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on May 22, 2014, 09:25:45 PM
Eating dinner...10:04PM (back from the campaign trail & a quick trip to HQ to load up (newspapers, Town-Hall flyers, & new yard/road signs)...T minus 2 weeks.

I get so ramped up calling on folks. If they're liberal or complacent I leave 'em with "Thank you for not voting" - if they're conservative, I give 'em a short history lesson on the Constitution:

The Constitution basically asks 2 questions:

...the "Thank-You's" are still outnumbering the door-slams, so far.
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pandora on May 22, 2014, 10:20:41 PM
Then, I figure you're doing pretty well.
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Libertas on May 23, 2014, 07:39:10 AM
Just curious, are people being honest about their leanings?  Some like to play the chameleon, just to fend off inquiry/confrontation...
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on May 23, 2014, 11:20:54 AM
Just curious, are people being honest about their leanings?  Some like to play the chameleon, just to fend off inquiry/confrontation...

I’m sure a few have slipped under my radar – but after years of sales, marketing & leadership development, can sum folks up pretty quickly & get a good feel for what/who they are.

I open up by using their last name - & after they acknowledge with a nod, I immediately use the phrase Reagan Conservative David Larsen – & check the body language for evidence of whether that’s a “+” or “-“ for them. Then I ask if they vote in primary elections & immediately tell ‘em that Dave’s a 36 year small business owner (not a lawyer/politician) & what Lance has been voting for (Obamacare funding, Cap & Trade & Debt Ceiling increases) and say:

“If those are good issues for you, you need do nothing – Lance is already our Congressman – but if you’d prefer a conservative representative, I ask you to consider Mr. Larsen on June 3rd."

Most of the time, their politics leak out within the 60 to 90 seconds that I’m on their doorstep.

I always step away from the door after knocking, so as not to appear too aggressive or threatening & while I’m speaking hand them an emery board & joke that “my wife says she gets all the ones left over @ the end of the day” – which usually buys me another 10-15 seconds of pitch.

I occasionally f*ck w/ 'em & say "Well thanks for abdicating your most precious right" (if they say they don't vote or aren't interested)- but I just gave them a present...so most of the cranky ones just re-enter their caves.

A veritable psychological juggernaut – most folks never know what’s hit them…until I’m long gone!  ;D  :supercool:

(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/gablabs/EmeryBoards_zpscd253c99.jpg)
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Libertas on May 23, 2014, 12:07:05 PM
Awesome, sounds like you're a veteran when it comes to sizing up people.   ::thumbsup::

And I bet those cranky cave-dwellers are mostly libiots or tone-touchy liberal Pubbies...we know they're not PaulBots, they wouldn't sulk back into their cave, at least not until they've railed on you about "no difference between the red and blue team" even though who they lump in with our team are not our people!

Go forth and conquer my friend!   ::cool::
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on May 23, 2014, 12:41:45 PM
Awesome, sounds like you're a veteran when it comes to sizing up people.   ::thumbsup::

And I bet those cranky cave-dwellers are mostly libiots or tone-touchy liberal Pubbies...we know they're not PaulBots, they wouldn't sulk back into their cave, at least not until they've railed on you about "no difference between the red and blue team" even though who they lump in with our team are not our people!

Go forth and conquer my friend!   ::cool::

Thanks - it's great exercise (on top of my running - some neighborhoods have damn near 1/4 mile, uphill driveways!) - & fun to a point - I just hope & pray that election day bears good fruit. I'm giving it my all so there'll be no questions about lack of effort.

Fingers crossed...
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on May 23, 2014, 07:49:37 PM
Ooh…hit a live one today: conversation was going decently enough – guy was a little crabby about “Reagan”…then read (from the newspaper we distribute) that David attended Evangel University (as well as a Christian high school) & then asked me why that’s “important”.

Me: “Why is what important?”
Matt (the dufus): “His Christianity. Why would you tell me that? This is politics.”
Me: Why Christianity? Uhm…better ethics.
Matt (the dufus) “BETTER ETHICS!?! Just because he’s a Christian? Better ethics?”
Me: …and a better system of moral metrics...vs, say, an atheist.
Matt (the dufus) Stares at me, spins around & slams the door.
Me: still on the porch (loudly): “Sorry if I touched a nerve!”
Matt (the dufus) re-opens & then re-slams door.

Made my day. Especially since the next dozen calls yielded 8 favorable responses & several "Bless you's" & "Thanks for doing this". I waved at his house as I slowly pulled off the block (I could see him in his back yard barbequing - not sure if he saw me).

It's really quite interesting & educational to get out amongst your countrymen & see what they think, say & how they respond. It also is great off-the-cuff training re: emotional intelligence.
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Libertas on May 26, 2014, 06:42:33 PM
He opened the door again and slammed it, heh!
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: AlanS on May 26, 2014, 07:29:25 PM
......I immediately use the phrase Reagan Conservative David Larsen – & check the body language for evidence of whether that’s a “+” or “-“ for them.

Any "deer in the headlites" looks from youngsters who haven't heard of Reagan?
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on May 26, 2014, 10:06:00 PM
He opened the door again and slammed it, heh!

Yeah. That was the icing...

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

......I immediately use the phrase Reagan Conservative David Larsen – & check the body language for evidence of whether that’s a “+” or “-“ for them.

Any "deer in the headlites" looks from youngsters who haven't heard of Reagan?

Not that, yet - most of the homeowners are 40+ & have either heard of Reagan from their parents, were old enough to have heard of him...or are negative on his legacy via revisionist history lessons. It's usually a "thumbs up or down" situation & why I blurt it out after greeting them...so i know if I have a minute or whether I'll be vacating the premises & moving to greener pastures (usually the next home or 2).

Usually Reagan represents a good, overall feeling about what America & her people once were...& a desire to regain that good feeling about the American dream of equal opportunity & the payoff inherent in hard work - that's what we're looking to leverage. Minus that - it's a move-on situation, as there's literally nothing  positive to discuss.
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on May 29, 2014, 05:50:50 PM
T-minus 5 days...and I'm wearing scalps on my belt (I'll explain later & post a few pictures).

For every one of mine they tear down...I take out 2. Singles, clusters & especially intersections. Leather gloves & razor knives are standard issue in the field.

#War!
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on May 30, 2014, 05:51:38 AM
--from the Clark, NJ Chamber of Commerce meeting earlier this week (Tuesday AM): Larsen vs. Lance in a Q & A styled "debate".

David is on the left side of the screen (but not the issues ;) ) - the homosexual candidate is on the right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpYmOoicjLQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpYmOoicjLQ)

http://youtu.be/bpYmOoicjLQ (http://youtu.be/bpYmOoicjLQ)

(especially good @ the 51:30 mark)

Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Libertas on May 30, 2014, 07:10:33 AM
So, begun the signage wars have, eh?

As for the clip, Jeesh, is this the old business-as-usual gosh-I'm-trying longtime-DC-Schmoozer vs the younger more energetic were-fed-up I'm-gonna-lite-fires-under-butts and get stuff done and leave outsider campaign or what?

Seriously, I might be biased but how does this Lance not get buried by Larsen?   ::whatgives::  I know voters are like jurors and stupid can often prevail...but this choice seems too easy.

When is your primary?
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on May 30, 2014, 08:48:16 AM

When is your primary?

Next Tuesday, June 3rd.
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Libertas on May 30, 2014, 09:06:10 AM

When is your primary?

Next Tuesday, June 3rd.


Crunch Time!!!
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on May 30, 2014, 07:08:39 PM

When is your primary?

Next Tuesday, June 3rd.



Crunch Time!!!


Or...
(http://www.mjusic.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/clobberin_mix.gif)

I caught a Lance operative pulling our signs &, though I'd have loved to have punched his lights out, copied his car tags & sent 'em into HQ...we are pressing legal charges against him & the homosexual's organization (yes, Lance is queer: married [for appearance' sake] with a child sired by someone's else's sperm).

Queer & a thief
Oh what to do?
Write a bad poem
(like the deceased Angelou)
.
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on June 01, 2014, 09:28:16 PM
Good day of walking today...with lists targeting NRA & Pro-Life families.

Tomorrow & Tuesday: handing out newspapers & shaking hands @ train stations between 6:00AM & 8:00AM

(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/gablabs/Newspaper_zpsc73b6c46.jpg)

Wednesday...sleep.  ;D
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Libertas on June 03, 2014, 06:45:22 AM
Well, can't say there wasn't a strong effort made!   ::thumbsup::

The average American voter of today being not all that bright we can never say anything is a certainty, but if the dimmer bulbs stay home and the people who had the lights come on show up, your man ought to do well.

We're pullin' for ya!   ::praying::
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on June 03, 2014, 11:16:18 PM
Well, can't say there wasn't a strong effort made!   ::thumbsup::

The average American voter of today being not all that bright we can never say anything is a certainty, but if the dimmer bulbs stay home and the people who had the lights come on show up, your man ought to do well.

We're pullin' for ya!   ::praying::

Thanks for the thoughts & prayers y'all. We lost: 54 to 45 per cent (2,504 votes).

The saddest statistic is that there are about 324,000 voters in the district...& only 28,000 or so voted (roughly 8.5%) - I made 70 calls this evening alone with people telling me they just got home from (soccer game, carnival, etc) & would not be going out again.

I'll post more about this later in the week - but very interesting process: knocking on doors - working early AM train platforms,  training the volunteers & networking with conservative, passionate patriots...

Thanks again for the support!

(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/gablabs/LarsenResults_zps5758a2f8.jpg)
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Libertas on June 04, 2014, 06:48:29 AM
Well, can't say there wasn't a strong effort made!   ::thumbsup::

The average American voter of today being not all that bright we can never say anything is a certainty, but if the dimmer bulbs stay home and the people who had the lights come on show up, your man ought to do well.

We're pullin' for ya!   ::praying::

Thanks for the thoughts & prayers y'all. We lost: 54 to 45 per cent (2,504 votes).

The saddest statistic is that there are about 324,000 voters in the district...& only 28,000 or so voted (roughly 8.5%) - I made 70 calls this evening alone with people telling me they just got home from (soccer game, carnival, etc) & would not be going out again.

I'll post more about this later in the week - but very interesting process: knocking on doors - working early AM train platforms,  training the volunteers & networking with conservative, passionate patriots...

Thanks again for the support!

(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/gablabs/LarsenResults_zps5758a2f8.jpg)

Crap!  Looks like the "wrong" people sat it out.  Sorry Pablo, no lack of effort on your part.  I wonder how much of the fed-up-with-politics (and especially fed up with Pubbies!) sentiment played into this?  It could be yet another indicator that most people are already thinking beyond politics and know that all our institutions are fatally compromised.
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Weisshaupt on June 04, 2014, 08:57:45 AM

Crap!  Looks like the "wrong" people sat it out.  Sorry Pablo, no lack of effort on your part.  I wonder how much of the fed-up-with-politics (and especially fed up with Pubbies!) sentiment played into this?  It could be yet another indicator that most people are already thinking beyond politics and know that all our institutions are fatally compromised.

Sorry Pablo, I know you put a lot of effort into this, and your candidate seemed a good man.. but I think Libertas fingered the problem.. a lot of people ( say me for instance)  just don't care about the elections

1) The Dems are cheating. Illegal immigrant Votes.  Dead Votes.  Kicking Judges out of Halls. Stuffing Ballots.  And the GOP is LEGALLY FORBIDDEN TO CONTEST election results, and the Media covers up any wrong doing by the Dems. 

2) Most politicians are Statists - or they wouldn't be politicians, and they lie a lot.  GOP more than Dems because they are Big Govt States who have to lie about it to their base as well as to the "middle"

3) Power Corrupts- Even if you get a good man (or woman)  in,  they will be pressured by the incumbent class to "play ball" and if they don't,  the NSA information will be used to dig up dirt on them, or on loved ones to blackmail them with.  If that doesn't work  they will get threats of violence.  At some point protecting your own  becomes paramount - especially if they are also dangling the carrot of the lavish lifestyle of corruption.  Very few people ( and even fewer who can get themselves elected)   have the sort of bed rock principles that would allow them to stay on course under those pressures

4) There is nothing that can be done at this point to fix it anyway. Letting it Burn is actually our fastest way to the other side, and out best chance to turn up the heat enough something beneficial MIGHT happen before the Despots have the full police state in place.    The entire govt apparatus would mutiny against a congress that actually wanted to call them to account. I think that much has become clear as every congressional inquiry into the govt apparatus, from the Gun running ATF  to the CIA /embassy  to the IRS to the EPA to the  VA - all simply stonewall and disobey . As long as the General Attorney refuses to prosecute no one will care. Obama has issued a default  blanket pardon to all members of Govt advancing his agenda - by  making it know he has no intention of letting anyone go to jail.  Not illegal immigrants. Not John Corzine.  Even if you were able to fix/dismantle these rogue agencies and separate them from their crony corporations,  the financial situation is such that we can no longer avoid the loss of the reserve currency. The Depression will get worse and worse. Stop Fed  govt spending completely and at least  25% of GDP goes away overnight. Stop borrowing and 5% goes away. Not to mention the Civil unrest from reducing the Entitlement payouts.  Keep going and eventually the dollar becomes irrelevant.  The nation is addicted to Crack Cocaine - can't get off, can't keep taking.)

Given that list, what is the point in voting?

Update: I submit as further evidence, this instapundit post:

Quote
SPYING: EFF Tells Court That The NSA Knowingly And Illegally Destroyed Evidence In Key Case Over Bulk Surveillance.

They told me if I voted for Mitt Romney, we’d see . . . oh, hell, what difference, at this point, does it make?

Posted at 7:41 am by Glenn Reynolds   

We are beyond lawlessness, recording each breach now is also pointless.  Just get the leftists you know out of your life, find a way to produce what you need,  and get ready to endure a lot of pain, because there is nothing now that can be done to lessen it.
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Libertas on June 04, 2014, 11:28:10 AM

Crap!  Looks like the "wrong" people sat it out.  Sorry Pablo, no lack of effort on your part.  I wonder how much of the fed-up-with-politics (and especially fed up with Pubbies!) sentiment played into this?  It could be yet another indicator that most people are already thinking beyond politics and know that all our institutions are fatally compromised.

Sorry Pablo, I know you put a lot of effort into this, and your candidate seemed a good man.. but I think Libertas fingered the problem.. a lot of people ( say me for instance)  just don't care about the elections

The entire govt apparatus would mutiny against a congress that actually wanted to call them to account.

We are beyond lawlessness, recording each breach now is also pointless.  Just get the leftists you know out of your life, find a way to produce what you need,  and get ready to endure a lot of pain, because there is nothing now that can be done to lessen it.

The mutiny described above is EXACTLY the kind of battle our side should be eager to fight, because the people would know who all the entrenched corrupt powers are from all the screaming, rioting and other behavior being unleashed...but alas we never had a chance, once the Republicans consciously chose to subvert and destroy Reagan Conservatism and declared open season on anybody not going along with the Ruling Class / E-GOP agenda the destiny of Amerca was sealed, at best its fate would be a slow, painful agonizing decline and eventual anti-climactic collapse.  This cowardice, this treachery angers me more than the crap the DemoProgs pull because it is the REPUBLICANS who are allowing it to happen!

As for that last part I disagree, I think there is merit in documenting our tribulations...perhaps some wise people in the distant future will take heed and learn the proper lessons, and never let ANYONE threaten their Liberty ever again.

The DemoProgs asked for lawlessness, the Republicans declined to stop it...so lets have No Limit civil war and really see what real lawlessness can resolve!!!
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Alphabet Soup on June 04, 2014, 07:33:00 PM
I think I mentioned that last fall I volunteered on a mayoral campaign in my town. The outcome was similar (we lost). I'm going to test the various theories to see how they relate...

The election was stolen.

I don't think so. My town is a middle-right leaning town surrounded by leftist crap-holes. No dhimmicrat (large "D") even ran.

Lack of turnout.

It applies to the race but not to the outcome. At one point we were separated by only two dozen votes. It was razor-thin to the final count.

Candidates are statists.

They voted in the statist.

Power corrupts.

This played large. the opponent was hand-picked by the outgoing mayor (POS that he is). She (the opponent) had been "promoted" to deputy mayor because she was female. She held no particular talents, credentials, or prior experience that qualified her for the position and there were more competent people who were passed over. She was (is) a yes-man who has now been promoted to top-dog. I wonder who she'll take her marching orders from because she's incompetent to conjure up an original thought.

My guy was as close to peerless as I think one can get. Conservative in his bearing, he was none~the~less very open to dialog and negotiation and was one of those "I never met a guy I didn't like" sort of optimists.

He was very strong of faith (served as Chaplain at our local fire department) but never one to impose his religion on anyone.

He simply couldn't overcome the "home" advantage. She could (and routinely did) use her office to campaign. Yea, It's illegal but only if you're stupid about it. She attended every official city function and slyly used them as platforms to issue campaign speeches. She was in a position to use the office to do "favors" for people who - by a total coincidence I'm sure - contributed heavily to her campaign. She even used the auspices of the Mayor's office to award "no-bid" contracts to contributors. One of the most aggravating abuses of candidacy was when she used the office of Deputy Mayor to heap praise onto someone in order to steal credit for a huge public project that my guy had accomplished as a city councilman. And then she sat there  on her fat ass with that GD smug face when he didn't utter a word of protest.

Dirty Pool Politics

We saw our fair share of those. The sign warz were especially brutal. They were virtually non-existent on our side - until toward the end when a few got frustrated and took revenge. My guy took an official stance that he would not lower himself to that sort of behavior and would not tolerate  it from his staff. That left the other side to go full throttle without so much as a protest from our side. But their opening salvo was to destroy 60% of our signs and then use the bully-pulpit of the Mayor's office to issue an "official" statement condemning the activity.

Towards the end we were using metal brackets to affix the (disposable) signs in an attempt to slow them down. It didn't work.

Dumbasses.

She was (is) a liberal dhimmicrat who pretends to be a pubbie and ran as a non-partisan. She will rule as a liberal (already shown that) and it is too late to do anything about it. I do often say "I told you so" and I am quite open in my contempt for my neighbors. They're dumbasses. The vast majority of them. They bitch and moan about all of the problems and then elect someone guaranteed to make them worse.

They whine that partisanship is mean-spirited and small-minded and then cast their vote for the most mean-spirited and small-minded partisan in the race. They complain about the cost of living and taxes and then support the very one who promised to raise those taxes.

(I'll say it again)

Dumbasses.

Home values are rebounding and I'm serious about pulling up stakes. Now that Random and my parents are gone I have little to hold me here and I am sick to death of dumbasses. In the meanwhile I echo Weisshaupt's words:

Let it burn!
Title: Re: Working in the Coal Mine
Post by: Libertas on June 04, 2014, 09:54:41 PM
I remember you posting about that race.  Time and again it is proven that corruption is rampant, that insiders have the edge courtesy of entrenched statist special interests who profit off the corrupt system and a progressive media complicit in the corruption.  Reducing the status quo to ashes does appear the only sure option left, and what eventually spouts in its aftermath will be determined by the character of the survivors for any locality.  There simply is nothing left and no guarantee of better or worse prevailing.  But the corrupt are not allowing any deviation from doubling down on stupid so our only hope is more of us surviving than them.