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Title: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Weisshaupt on April 23, 2014, 07:54:52 AM
Every 2-4 weeks there is an article like this. (https://homes.yahoo.com/blogs/spaces/dee-williams--tiny-house--big-change-193912961.html) Look at this "unique" , morally superior individual who made "choices" to live in a smaller home.  Agenda 21 - over and over.. Get used to this America, because this is how they want you to live. Why? The article answers that

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She has plenty of bathing options thanks to generous friends and neighbors, who all gave her the keys to their houses. "My possessions have grown exponentially small. Except for my keychain. I have this massive keychain."

When nature calls, there's the compost toilet that works without water. After use, the waste is covered with sawdust. Williams admits to taking advantage of shower facilities at her Department of Ecology office, too....

In fact, Williams has found that the smaller the house, the more she depends on the people around her, and neighborhood necessities like the local market and the public library. "I thought I would be so contained in this little house with no running water," she said. "The big surprise, of course, is the smaller you go, the more you absolutely have to lean into your community. It gets smaller and bigger. It gets to be this big, tiny thing, you know?"

Emphasis mine.  She now has access to the houses of other people and all of THEIR stuff. She will use facilities provided by others, be dependent upon others, and you should too!  Because beggars are ever so much easier to please.

This women and people like her should be subjected to never ending ridicule, and pranks .. like towing her house to the dump and leaving it there - over and over. But instead TED gives her a platform, a publisher giver her a book deal and another self-righteous crusader for enslaving the human race makes good.

Seriously how is this different than being homeless other than your cardboard box is slightly nicer?  Why not just rent a room from someone? How would that be different. Arrogant, self-involved narcissistic bitch.  (by the way, the Ad they play before the video features Farley and the Van down by the river...! Remember when that was considered a bad thing?)

Update: The Ted Talk is awful. First,  she decided to go with a Jim Carrey/Vera Di Milo short pigtail look for the talk.  Then she asks: What item would you want to  hold when you die,  what room would you want to die in.. and suggests if you asked those questions often enough you would want a smaller home.  WTF?  No, I wouldn't.  If I had to pick an ITEM it would probably still be a Bible, but I would be far more interested in WHO was in the room, than what room or what material object would be in it..  but wait, it gets worse..

She was diagnosed with heart problems and started dwelling on her own mortality -   and thinks its going to require courage to die in her friends arms.. and perhaps courage is what it does take, when you  are a Godless, immoral heathen, and think death is the end.   But she doesn't want to be in a hospital bed in a friends house and have friends have to change her clothes and take care of her "like a baby"  - ( because apparently she accepts the fact she won't be able to afford to  die in a hospital under Obamacare..)    - So the solution?  To make sure her hospital bed is in a Van down by the River.

She sleeps in a loft where she couldn't even sit up-- and jokes she doesn't stub her toes on a nightstand -- how about crack your head open when you sit up at a sudden event ? ( like having your home suddenly start being towed towards the dump..)  And her skylight? That looks out on the "expanding universe" -- and being in the loft "elevates" her above everything else around her, and she likes that because her "problems seem smaller"  and she can "contemplate" why she is here, and learn about "humility" , "gratitude" and "grace"  ( an opportunity coming to everyone at gunpoint thanks to Agenda 21.) 

And this roof that is 12 inches from her head when she sleeps - its metal.  And she lives of course in Washington State.  And now she "loves" the different types of rain.... and she sleeps with heat so see pretty frost on the windows. And wind in the eaves.. and she knows where the sun is every morning.  So its like camping out. Every day for the rest of your life. 

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"They Gifted me the opportunity to live with them. We have three households that share the same garden space..... I have learned a tremendous amount about what it means to live in community by letting go of my autonomy, you know something changes for you and  fundamentally shifts for you when you have to ask for water every day. So that has been a tremendous gift. "

Because being a beggar is a gift.  Maybe is she had to humble herself before God, she would have the need to humble herself before humans and become a burden on them.  Then she hammers the "Gratitude, humility and Grace" angle a second  and then a third time. ... Because the only way you will find your soul is by living in a tiny house and being a beggar and a burden on others.   I personally don't think a leftist is capable of real gratitude - to others or to God.  They are capable of believing themselves superior because that attribute themselves with having "gratitude, humility and grace" for living in a small house,  but actually being grateful  or being humble is far beyond their comprehension... And if you noted this talk is not really about living in a tiny house - its about being morally and spiritually superior if you live in a tiny house.  Some days the collapse can't come soon enough.

Anyone want to take bets on how "humble" and "grateful" she will be the first time someone tells her she Can't have water and she need to get her "house" off the property?

Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on April 23, 2014, 08:26:34 AM
The Mooching Class.

Message to Dee and her ilk...

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Dumbass/091927.jpg)

Moochers will be shot...

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Warnings/NoTrespassing.jpg)
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Pandora on April 23, 2014, 08:29:25 AM
"... lean into the community"; gotta love it.  Newspeak for leeching.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Weisshaupt on April 23, 2014, 08:39:46 AM
"... lean into the community"; gotta love it.  Newspeak for leeching.

yeah, bonus points for including Obama's Marxist catchphrases!
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 23, 2014, 10:04:33 AM
The propaganda will increasingly couch collectivism in terms of "community", and speak of dependence as a virtue. More people will be receptive because the Leftists have crushed economic opportunity, increased the ease and reduced the stigma of largesse, and successfully demonized those who produce goods and services as having done so at the expense of the less fortunate.

We will be literally fighting for our lives before we die.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: trapeze on April 23, 2014, 11:47:11 AM
America will never be without vagrants as long as we have PBS and NPR to demonstrate how it's done.

And, yeah, I totally disagree with her philosophy. Those who perpetually leach off of their neighbors are beneath contempt and those who willingly allow themselves to be fleeced are idiots.

But, that said...I have no problem whatsoever with properly equipped micro residences. I would far rather see low income persons invested in something rather than the alternative which is almost always taxpayer funded public housing hellholes. To me, a "tiny house" on a modest piece of land as a "starter" home for a low income person is not necessarily a bad thing. As long as they pay for it (instead of me). As long as it isn't part of some sort of socialist communal mooching thing. Giving stuff away to "the poor" has a long track record (umm...all of history) of not working.

I know that there are potential problems with this "solution," too. But it still has to beat "projects."
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on April 23, 2014, 11:50:12 AM
Micro crack-stacks, coming to a blighted neighborhood near you...

...join the community!

 ::)

 ::puke::
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: LadyVirginia on April 23, 2014, 02:06:30 PM
properly equipped micro residences

I believe my parents called those "starter homes".
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: AlanS on April 23, 2014, 02:37:18 PM
Those who perpetually leach off of their neighbors are beneath contempt and those who willingly allow themselves to be fleeced are idiots.

Enablers are NEVER the answer. I'm curious as to her response if everyone wizened up and changed the locks on their doors.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: John Florida on April 23, 2014, 04:13:35 PM
  I busted my ass all my life not to end up like that.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: richb on April 23, 2014, 04:28:33 PM
A few thoughts on this.   Keep in mind I used to sell real estate,  so part of my ideas are driven by that experience.   

First:  Is her "house" even legal in it's location?   My guess?  Probably not.  Almost every city, town, hamlet or village would never allow a full time home in the backyard of a single family house (plenty don't even like parked RV's).     So even if the people she has it parked on are ok with it,  the town government probably isn't,  and will make her move it if they come across it, likely when a neighbor is tired of it and reports her.   There are other legal concerns over insurance, fire protection and if she pays her host some land rent (I'm guessing she isn't).   

Plus it has no plumbing,  another big no, no,  from many places.   The irony,  it's liberals that have pushed inflexible and overbearing zoning laws over the years,  making creative housing solutions (or not) illegal in the majority of America.

I am guessing the real cause,  she is just very cheap,  who just happens to be liberal.    She just uses liberal nonsense to justify being cheap.   Granted there is nothing wrong about being cheap,  as I can be pretty cheap myself.    But I don't make others give me stuff or inconvenience others over it. 

I have a good example of cheapness that is annoying for those around them.   I have a friend who is cheap.   A group of us,  would eat out fairly often.   Most of the time,  places don't want to make out twenty bills for one group.   So we would put in what you owed.   Only he wouldn't, often being the first to leave,  he would short his share and would be long gone before being discovered (example,  he should have left $15 but would leave $11).  So others would have to put in more,  so that the wait staff would still get a decent tip.   We got tired of it,  and he didn't get called as much about eating out.   So he valued "saving"  $5-$10 over his friendships.   He only gets invited to places I know will do individual bills now,  and I imagine he is still shorting wait staff on tips. 

Moving on,   the Margaret Thatcher saying comes to mind with this "lifestyle".   What if no one wants to be the provider of plumbing for the moochers?    It can get expensive having another person taking a shower in your bathroom on a daily basis.    Plus it gets dirty way faster (does she clean it once in a while? my guess no).    She probably doesn't notice the problems she is causing with her friends.   Or she doesn't care.   I am guessing she goes on expensive vacations with the "saved" money,  rather then saving it or giving it away.   

Don't get me wrong,  I admire people who prefer a modest lifestyle.   Of course in this day and age,  its become necessary for many people who would rather not.    This lady is not a good example of a modest lifestyle,  in fact she is a horrible example.

Now onto affordable housing.   

Many places in the US,  there isn't any anymore.  Most of them are very liberal areas (surprise surprise).   

With the huge size of the USA,  98% of the nation should be able to have plenty of affordable housing.   Up until 40 years ago, most places where doing so.  Starting the 1930's housing began to be regulated by government at all levels.    It took another 40 years to start really affecting affordability in a major way. 

Having minimum house size,  minimum lot sizes, only allowing a very limited amount of structures etc adds up over time.   Want a two flat to make the house affordable?  Good luck finding one in a newly built subdivision,  they don't exist anymore.   Not that people stopped buying them,  but where regulated away.  My brother would love a studio apartment,  only he can't have one because local zoning has made them illegal.     

Rent control and urban growth boundaries are other enemies of affordability.  Besides being terrible policy,  they are unconstitutional (taking of private property) and take liberty from people and give it the state.   
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Glock32 on April 23, 2014, 04:52:15 PM
Why does she need a massive key chain?  Why any keys at all?  That means she believes in property ownership, and the prerogative to keep others out.  Isn't that a rather regressive and reactionary mindset?
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Weisshaupt on April 23, 2014, 05:08:41 PM
Why does she need a massive key chain?  Why any keys at all?  That means she believes in property ownership, and the prerogative to keep others out.  Isn't that a rather regressive and reactionary mindset?

Because the people she mooches from still have stuff they don't want stolen.  This woman is getting pity because she is gonna die soon, so these people put up with it. She is probably often found sitting on their  couches watching their cable and  eating food from their  fridge and the day a lock is changed and she can't get in she will scream with rage that she is entitled entry to the home.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: richb on April 23, 2014, 05:11:39 PM
Regulation has caused the affordability problem.   Not developers and builders, (OK,  some of the biggest engage in cronyism now).   You never hear that from anyone,  since all of those folks are evil.    Of course making it possible that only the deepest pocketed are the ones doing the developing only lead to the "evil" developers.  Hmmmmm.

But the affordability issue isn't the real issue either as liberals don't care about that at all.  Its only a tool to be used against people. 

Most of these little "houses" are hardly cheap.   Some are quite gorgeous, built out of high end material and featuring some very nice but expensive craftsmanship.   But the result is the same.  They aren't inexpensive.   I have seen some with price tags as much as $100k!   

It will never be more then a very small niche.  A very small niche,  when you consider zoning.   The thing is, most people don't want to live that way, even when living alone.   They don't work for families as most can really only have one person living there.   They aren't even that great for couples, as only one partner is likely really wanting the lifestyle, the other,  probably not so much.   You have to be committed to it,  and frankly most people can't be committed to anything these days. 

They are "news stories" because they are so rare,  not that they are becoming more popular.


 
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 23, 2014, 05:12:44 PM
If you've ever watched Portlandia you know what Olympia is like. Granola Junction. I'm there once or twice a month and am constantly amused by the mutants I come across. Generally they are similar to the Seattlunatics but much mellower - they must have access to better pot.

Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Weisshaupt on April 23, 2014, 08:50:40 PM
They aren't inexpensive.   I have seen some with price tags as much as $100k!   

It will never be more then a very small niche.  A very small niche,  when you consider zoning.   The thing is, most people don't want to live that way, even when living alone.   

Its just another way , like a Prius, to claim moral superiority over others. All over the west you will find 600-800 sq ft homes, built by poor farmers  - One main room, one bedroom, and a very small bath - because that is what you need to have with a family- even when you can't afford much.   Its what most settlers built as well.  There is a minimum size home that is comfortable, and these tiny homes are not.  You only buy one because you have a driving need to lord your differences over others.

Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on April 24, 2014, 07:22:09 AM
If you've ever watched Portlandia you know what Olympia is like. Granola Junction. I'm there once or twice a month and am constantly amused by the mutants I come across. Generally they are similar to the Seattlunatics but much mellower - they must have access to better pot.

Heh!

Which, is what I think is helping to drive the cannabis movement...the PTBs wanting to keep the herd mellow.

Tiny illegal homes populated with moochers and assisted by enablers, heck, if that's what keeps 'em calm too, they'll be all for that too...Look the other way as to laws and codes, just like ignoring illegal immigrants...it all fits the libiot pattern...
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Weisshaupt on August 07, 2014, 11:39:40 AM
I .. Can't.. Stop .. Laughing.

I may have to get this documentary (http://tiny-themovie.com/) just to see if its as funny as Grizzly Man. Aparently this film is doing really well, so kudos to the couple for finding a way to get idiot trendy liberals to give them money...  but here is the synopsis

A couple builds a tiny house in Boulder ( relying on a generous friend to give them space to do it)  and decide to film the process. One is a writer, the other a graphic designer and neither has ever held a tool before.  He buys some land near Antero Reservoir in South Park Valley in Colorado - the land has no water, few  trees and will be exposed to 110 mph winds, two weeks of -10 F nights in January ( record cold was -40 F)  and snow loads of up to 80 Lbs.  Its 5 Acres of scrub brush. 

Want to see the house they think can withstand that?

(http://p-ec1.pixstatic.com/5255670bdbfa3f0d25000aa9._w.540_h.370_s.fit_.jpg)

But hey, maybe its heavy enough it won't blow over.  Maybe.

Now check out their power system

(http://p-ec1.pixstatic.com/51bc6b43dbd0cb1e74000cef._w.1280._h.1280._s.fit.jpg)

Wheels! Ha.

Lots more pictures here (http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/christopher-meretes-tiny-home-on-the-range-house-tour-174154) and the  Denver Post article here (http://www.denverpost.com/athome/ci_20601227/living-large-133-square-ft-home)


But wait, it gets better

On the main page they say

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One of the most frequently asked questions that we get at Q&As when we show the film is, “Are you living in the tiny house now?” Since we want the film to be a standalone story, depicting one moment in time (the way that sometimes it’s nice just to experience a painting without knowing the whole backstory of the artist’s life or how it was painted) we’ve hesitated to post too much online about our lives post-film, so as not to spoil the experience of seeing that story unfold on screen. But for those of you who have already seen the film or have been following us online for quite some time now, here’s an update on where we’ve been and where we are now, as of May 2014

Translation: We would prefer you don't read the next bit and just enjoy our artistry.

The next bit (http://tiny-themovie.com/and-house-now-tiny-update-years-later/#more-1692):( my favorite parts are highlighted)

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After completing the house in May 2012, we drove it up to the South Park Valley and parked it on the plot of land outside of Hartsel, Colorado that Christopher had bought one year before, the land that the house was designed and built for and which had set this whole project in motion to begin with. That’s the location where you see the house at the very end of the film.

Now that building the house was done, we headed straight into our next project: editing and completing the film. We packed up and moved out of the apartment we’d been living in throughout the construction process and spent the next few months traveling to film last interviews and capture the footage we needed to expand the documentary into feature length.


In August 2012 we went to New York City. If you’ve seen the film, you know that I was toying with the idea of moving to New York throughout that year of building and that helping Christopher to finish one of his big dreams (building the Tiny House) helped give me the confidence to pursue this dream of my own (moving to the Big Apple). It actually worked out perfectly, since our composer and sound designer were also both located in NYC. We found a consulting editor in the city and were able to tap into a really creative and talented community of documentary filmmakers. I found an apartment with a friend in Brooklyn at the end of August. Christopher went back and forth between New York, staying with me while we edited, and Colorado, where his work was still based. In March 2012 the film premiered at SXSW and we spent the next few months on the road again, traveling from film festival to film festival. Throughout this whole period of time the Tiny House was up on the land in Hartsel. We visited it whenever we could, for a few days or a week at a time, when we were back in Colorado for work and in between film festival travel. Though it had been finished for months we were still getting to know our little home and relishing the experience of actually seeing it completed.

In June 2013, almost one year after completing the house, the frenzy of film festivals began to wind down and we both began thinking about what would come next. I stayed in Brooklyn and Christopher decided to move back to Colorado. After showing off our Tiny House at a film festival in Telluride called Mountainfilm, we moved it back down to Boulder, Colorado, so that Christopher could live in it full-time.The land he’d purchased near Hartsel was stunning but was too remote to be used as anything more than a weekend getaway.  When we’d first begun building we liked the idea of having a cabin to visit up in the mountains but after pouring so much of our energy, hearts, and money into building the house it seemed silly for it to be sitting up there empty so much of the time.

Translation: We never had any intention of actually living in it, much less living in it in a place as harsh as Hartsel. We just thought this would be a great way to get his film career started and make some bank so I could live in NYC, and it fit the narrative and idealistic idea that most  leftist morons would enjoy and give them warm fuzzies at the end of the film.


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Christopher lived in the Tiny House full-time from June 2013 through March 2014 (minus the month of January, when we was in Los Angeles helping a friend with a film project). When asked whether it’s what he expected, he always laughs and says it was surprisingly easy to live in such a small space. The only big challenge was living without running water. Because the land in Hartsel didn’t have access to water, we didn’t build plumbing into the house and hauled water in. So he showered mostly at the gym (an excellent motivation to work out!) The house is still located in this spot, in a very generous friend’s backyard on a rise just east of Boulder, Colorado, with an incredible view of the Continental Divide. Though my life is mostly rooted in New York these days, I’ve been back to visit quite a few times and stayed in the house for a few weeks when Christopher was out of town this winter.

Chris continues to mooch off of others, and actually managed to live in the house ( and the gym,  and his friend's backyard,  and maybe sometimes  his friends house) for just over half a year.

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Christopher decided to move to Los Angeles in April, in order to continue pursuing film work there. So as of now, May 2014, I live in NYC  and Christopher lives in LA and our Tiny House sits in between in Colorado, a home-base that we can always go back to, surrounded by a landscape that is dear to both of us—pretty close to what we’d originally imagined actually, even though life has taken us in unexpected directions. Though we both live in urban apartments at the moment, our experiences in the Tiny House community have taught us so much about the power of living simply and prioritizing meaningful experiences and relationships over stuff. Though neither of us owned much stuff to begin with, all of the traveling and moving over the past two years has certainly kept our possessions to a minimum! Here in the city, I love how the idea of living in a small space and externalizing the features of home is commonplace. On public transportation, in parks, in libraries and cafes I’m constantly encountering the community around me in unexpected ways.

Yeah, the entire film is a lie and we are just posers, but I really like my new life in NYC and all of the admiration I get from others, since I would hardly have ever seen anyone if we had lived in Hartsel.


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We still have no idea what the future holds for each of us, and for the house that we built together. I know the Tiny House will continue to be a part of my life and I do plan to have a more full-time relationship with it at some point, when I’m ready to be back in Colorado. But right now I can only plan for the immediate future, focusing on my here and now in New York.

Hey maybe I might even visit the little house at the same time as Chris, but I kinda realized he is a loser, and really it seems like there is only room for one hypocritical poser under that tiny roof.

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When telling this story, we’re often quick to point out the many people in the Tiny House community who have been living in their homes full-time for many years (many of whom are featured in our film), who are more stable examples of life in less that 200 square feet. Even though our own story is complex and still in flux, we do think it demonstrates the ethos of flexibility and freedom that Tiny Houses represent – the ability to “live life as an experiment” as Ann Holley, one of the subjects in our film, so articulately described.

When people point out I am a poser, I am always really quick to point out there are people who aren't, and therefore my story "rings true" even though all of it was crap so we could make money of of idiots - because its way easier to experiment with the lives of others than with our own..

Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on August 07, 2014, 11:50:19 AM
"...more stable examples..."

 ::hysterical::

Progs, they do make it easy to laugh at their stupidity, don't they?!

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Pandora on August 07, 2014, 12:07:27 PM
Children, little girls especially, who imagine living in their dollhouses, I understand.  But then they're supposed to grow up and ........
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Weisshaupt on August 07, 2014, 12:54:27 PM
Oh, and don't forget to read the comments on the "what we are doing now" page  (http://tiny-themovie.com/and-house-now-tiny-update-years-later/#more-1692)

You would think that would have exposed them for the posers they are, right?

No.

Most are like this:

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Dear Christopher and Merete,

What an inspiring, moving,beautiful piece in the story of TINY. You demonstrate acutely what spontaneous thought and planned action can create, and also how profoundly you are each living your lives.

reality catches up with one

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I don’t know if you remember us or not, but we are that random couple that met up with you guys for coffee in Boulder about 2 summers ago for my (now) husband’s birthday.

Thanks for your honesty about the complexities involved in building a tiny house :) We are also experiencing many of those same interesting life changes as we continue to build our tiny house. Turns out we actually have to make a living doing SOMETHING, and sometimes that requires decisions that are… well, complicated :)

Hope to catch up again someday with you guys!

Another wants to mooch

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delightfool

So love the idea of a tiny house. What are the chances of house sitting, while you are in NY & LA? Looking for an opportunity to experience whether I could live so small? Will have to move and looking at a tiny house as a chose.
- kod

One gets it, realizing reality isn't living up to expectations.
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Bryan Chapman

I LOVED this movie. I wish I had the courage to move into a tiny house. Again, I LOVED this movie!

However, I’m sorry I read this article. It was crushing, in many ways.

Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: John Florida on August 07, 2014, 07:47:25 PM
   Why do they call it a house?? At best it's a shed or a small hunting cabin.House never.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Predator Don on August 07, 2014, 08:10:24 PM
Is this all it takes for liberals to send money? Hey Hon, go get our camera. We are gonna build a "chalet" made out of recycled bottles and straw. We will put it on eco friendly land, attach a solar panel to it and in the end, auction it off and give the money to fight hunger. ( hey, our hunger)

Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: AlanS on August 07, 2014, 08:15:31 PM
I love this one.

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We thank you for inspiring my husband and I. We’ve been living in apartments with roomates and living with our parents from both sides of the family since we’ve been married for four years. It’s been rough and we were desperate for change and a place we can call our own. So we recently tried buying a house, but couldn’t cough up the money for a down payment and such, so we were bummed and planned to budget better to buy a house a year from now. However, when we watched Tiny together last night we both knew this is exactly what we wanted. We both don’t need much to live. Just each other and a roof over our head. Thank you guys for showing us the guidance we needed.

We've been moochers for 4 yrs, but you've shown us how to do it a lifetime.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Weisshaupt on August 07, 2014, 08:53:46 PM
   Why do they call it a house?? At best it's a shed or a small hunting cabin.House never.

yes and really such a thing isn't uncommon in the Hartsel area- because it is remote and people do use them as little getaway places -  only this couple had the nerve to pretend they would live there full time. And then never did. Had they any serious intent to stay there year round they would have dug a well, and installed plumbing, because going outside in -10 below to get water out of a tank  that is frozen over, just isn't going to happen. Just more proof they were cynically making up a story for themselves...


Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Weisshaupt on August 07, 2014, 09:24:17 PM
It just gets better and better - There is one Property in Park County listed as owned by a Christopher Smith. (http://www.parkco.org/prop2.asp?ScheduleNumber=28952)  It it 5 Acres and the home address for the owner is in the city of Boulder.   

The address?

489 MOONBEAM DR. (if you want to see it in Google Maps or Bing you need to use Lake George as the city, NOT Hartsel.. )

Moonbeam.
No Kidding.

The yearly taxes are a whopping $100. Does he pay them?

Of course not (http://www.parkco.us/DocumentCenter/View/1482)


 877 014
28952 R $241.93*
SMITH CHRISTOPHER C
MOONBEAM DR 489 HRT
T11 R74 S09 NW4
SOUTH PARK RANCHES
FILING 58 LOT 25

So that is at least 2 years in a row he hasn't paid taxes - that list was compiled in Oct 2013.  In theory someone could have bought the tax lien against the property at auction and in 3 years they will own it, all because Chris isn't smart enough to pay his taxes.  If I see it still on the list this year ( Liens not bought at auction are re-auctioned the next year, providing taxes still haven't been paid)   I may have to  go up there and gamble a few hundred just to make this liberal cry. Actually they are paying 10%  if he does pay his taxes, so as long as I don't pay over 10%  in premium at auction  it gets paid back..  of course for 3 years I have to either pay the taxes or attempt to acquire  the new liens --so  I may end up out $300 --  or I may get a property he spent 16,000 for. Liberal tears are so sweet.


Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Glock32 on August 07, 2014, 10:11:10 PM
And I thought they considered taxes the highest form of patriotism! Remember all those "Raise my taxes!" signs the teacher's union rent-a-mob was brandishing?

Other People's Money.  Other People's Property.  Other People's Liberty.  Other People's Blood.  Other People's Sweat.  Other People's Tears.

It's gonna be their blood and their tears when this crap finally goes extracurricular.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Alphabet Soup on August 07, 2014, 11:26:38 PM
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If I see it still on the list this year ( Liens not bought at auction are re-auctioned the next year, providing taxes still haven't been paid)   I may have to  go up there and gamble a few hundred just to make this liberal cry.

Will you be expanding the tiny house so that it will be useful for something - like a rabbit hutch?  ;D
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: AlanS on August 08, 2014, 06:59:30 AM
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If I see it still on the list this year ( Liens not bought at auction are re-auctioned the next year, providing taxes still haven't been paid)   I may have to  go up there and gamble a few hundred just to make this liberal cry.

Will you be expanding the tiny house so that it will be useful for something - like a rabbit hutch?  ;D

Or an outhouse.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on August 08, 2014, 07:03:57 AM
It just gets better and better - There is one Property in Park County listed as owned by a Christopher Smith. (http://www.parkco.org/prop2.asp?ScheduleNumber=28952)  It it 5 Acres and the home address for the owner is in the city of Boulder.   

The address?

489 MOONBEAM DR. (if you want to see it in Google Maps or Bing you need to use Lake George as the city, NOT Hartsel.. )

Moonbeam.
No Kidding.

The yearly taxes are a whopping $100. Does he pay them?

Of course not (http://www.parkco.us/DocumentCenter/View/1482)


 877 014
28952 R $241.93*
SMITH CHRISTOPHER C
MOONBEAM DR 489 HRT
T11 R74 S09 NW4
SOUTH PARK RANCHES
FILING 58 LOT 25

So that is at least 2 years in a row he hasn't paid taxes - that list was compiled in Oct 2013.  In theory someone could have bought the tax lien against the property at auction and in 3 years they will own it, all because Chris isn't smart enough to pay his taxes.  If I see it still on the list this year ( Liens not bought at auction are re-auctioned the next year, providing taxes still haven't been paid)   I may have to  go up there and gamble a few hundred just to make this liberal cry. Actually they are paying 10%  if he does pay his taxes, so as long as I don't pay over 10%  in premium at auction  it gets paid back..  of course for 3 years I have to either pay the taxes or attempt to acquire  the new liens --so  I may end up out $300 --  or I may get a property he spent 16,000 K for. Liberal tears are so sweet.

Send in the SWAT, burn that fancy sh*thouse to the ground!

(It's what would happen to us, right?  Maybe after a foreclosure process and if we still squatted there...)
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Weisshaupt on August 08, 2014, 08:39:29 AM
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If I see it still on the list this year ( Liens not bought at auction are re-auctioned the next year, providing taxes still haven't been paid)   I may have to  go up there and gamble a few hundred just to make this liberal cry.

Will you be expanding the tiny house so that it will be useful for something - like a rabbit hutch?  ;D

The tiny house is in Boulder.. and since it has axles wouldn't be considered part of the taxation in Park county anyway.  Seriously, I am only in this to make him cry because he is the shameless author of pro-agenda 21 propaganda.

Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on August 08, 2014, 11:35:05 AM
Boulder!  Meh!  The Berkley of the Rockies!

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Weisshaupt on August 20, 2014, 08:52:36 PM
Whack that Drum

Every Week - boom boom boom  (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/20/business/micro-condo-development-trend/index.html)

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Local governments have taken notice. New York City, for one, has waved its minimum 400-square-foot housing requirement for a pilot project with units between 250 and 370 square feet. Last year, Pocket Living -- which makes 400-square-foot units for those who earn less than around $100,000 a year -- received roughly $36 million from the mayor of London to build approximately 400 units for first-time home buyers. Small units are seen as an affordable way to make cities accessible to more people.

If you earn $100,000 a year, you are in the top 92 % of individual wage earners, and in the top 78%  of households, and you are going to live in a  300 Square foot place, rather than say.. move to Dallas where $150,000 buys a a 3000 sq foot home on a couple of acres? Oh right..

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But it was the design, she says, that she sealed the deal. The tiny space -- all enamel-like white cupboards, foldout tables, and wall-mounted design hacks -- was not only smart, but stylish.

"I wanted something that looked pretty modern. The use of space was really good," she says. "I didn't feel like I was living in a jail cell or anything."

Her friends marveled. Her place was officially cool.

Maxwell Ryan, the New York-based founder of home design website Apartment Therapy, isn't surprised that micro-condo developers are pushing design and utility as their major selling points. To him, it shows an awareness of how generational priorities have shifted.


"As a culture, there's been a renaissance of interest in design -- design as a lifestyle choice, design as a way of life," he says.

Ryan believes young people will happily accept smaller spaces, but only if done properly.

Because you can't possibly live elsewhere and be seen as cool can you. Certainly not Dallas.

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A number of elements, like a bathtub and oven, have been left out. But even these omissions are meant to cater to the millennial lifestyle.

"This generation wants to live within the city," says Peter Clewes, of architectsAlliance.

When they aren't working, they're eating out with friends and enjoying city life, not spending time at home. For a unit that offers elegance on a budget (Smart House units, which have yet to go on sale, will likely start at $285,000), Clewes thinks they'll be willing to make a few sacrifices.

Got that? $285K.  Assuming a 20% down ( which is assuming a lot) that is around $900 a month on a 30 year  loan, and no, you don't have an OVEN. My first house cost me $230K in Denver's inflated market, and it was 1800 finished square feet, with a 900 sq ft unfinished basement, a 2 car garage and a suburban postage stamp of a lawn (600 sq feet)  so they are sacrificing and paying more to do it- why?  So they can be cool. Oh and moral

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"Five years ago, if you suggested units of 258 square feet, people would say that's mean, that's immoral. But that's starting to flip the other way," Clewes says. "It's become a moral cause. We need all (income) groups to make a healthy city."

Yeah. Well someone's bank account will be healthy anyway.

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For Wong, the initial novelty of micro-living wore off as time wore on. She started to resent not having space for her screen-printing and acrylics projects, or an oven for cooking. When it came time to renew her yearlong lease, she decided to move to a 620-square-foot unit across the street, even though it cost almost $400 more per month.

Today, Wong lives with her boyfriend in a 900-square-foot apartment in East Vancouver. Now 35, she's more focused on settling down. But she doesn't regret giving micro-condos a try.

"My lifestyle has changed a lot since I lived down there," she says. "I liked being there at the time, but I like the space I have now."

Hmm, I am sensing a pattern among those who actually try fall for  this scam

Be sure to check out the videos at the link.. they may be more appalling than the actual article.
Especially this: http://www.scadpad.com/ (http://www.scadpad.com/)
Yes you too can have a home that is parked in a disused parking garage.. scampad is more like it. 





Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Glock32 on August 20, 2014, 09:05:42 PM
Too bad Wong won't be able to use the money she wasted on a pretentious phone booth on the fertility treatments she will no doubt be seeking next.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Predator Don on August 21, 2014, 01:22:13 PM
Hey, I think it is immoral to charge a yuppie 285K for 400 sq ft.  It should be 385K.

Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Weisshaupt on August 29, 2014, 02:31:24 PM
 Boom Boom Boom (http://www.zillow.com/blog/20-somethings-living-tiny-157186/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=emm-0814_millennials-tinyhousecta)
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Pandora on August 29, 2014, 03:00:17 PM
Yah, saw that, W., thought of you.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: richb on August 29, 2014, 03:08:15 PM
Boom Boom Boom (http://www.zillow.com/blog/20-somethings-living-tiny-157186/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=emm-0814_millennials-tinyhousecta)

They think that is a new idea?

A little history lesson.   In the early part of the 20th century,   when cars began to be used in large numbers,  people started taking road trips.    They needed places to stay.   Business people started setting up road side "cabins"  along highways.    Sometimes there would be a restaurant closest to the road and behind it a u shaped road with a dozen or so little cabins (sometimes even a garage included).   One in the town I grew up actually managed to survive into the early 1990's before the real estate became too valuable.    They are often called motor courts.   Motels and trailer parks developed out of the idea of those early highway hotels. 

They were all over the country and a handful (mostly in rural areas) still exist.   

As hotel rooms they are probably pretty nice.   Wouldn't want to live full time in one.  Many of those motor courts became full time homes for people.  That is another reason why many of them no longer exist because they became major problems for many communities and the were often forced to close. 

Ironically our long time (bought by great grandpa in 1920) family cottage was once part of a lakeside version of the highway cabin.   Unfortunately for the builder of that resort,  the state ended up routing the highway on the other side of the lake,  making it a little too hard to find.    So it failed quickly.  I think the family paid about $500 bucks for it,  we once got an offer at the height the last boom for over a million.   

Even though we have had it nearly a hundred years now,  no one, ever, considered living in it full time.   I think my great uncle stayed a few months in the 1930's when he was out of work.   He actually installed all the beautiful redwood paneling that remains to this day.  I love the cottage but I sure wouldn't want to live there. 
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: IronDioPriest on August 29, 2014, 03:38:01 PM
Just dropped my boys off in their tiny college dorm yesterday.

No f***ing thank-you. There's a reason you live in a dorm for a year or two and then never do it again.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: LadyVirginia on September 09, 2014, 07:41:53 PM
Just dropped my boys off in their tiny college dorm yesterday.

No f***ing thank-you. There's a reason you live in a dorm for a year or two and then never do it again.

Exactly!
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: trapeze on September 09, 2014, 11:54:24 PM
I don't get it. Why all the fuss? These are, after all, the homes of the ObamaEconomy...the perfect starter home for the recently graduated and under-employed.

On a side note, though...I suppose that tiny home owners kind of get used to the idea of not entertaining. Not indoors, anyway.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: IronDioPriest on January 05, 2015, 02:05:49 PM
LOL.

A San Antonio, Texas couple had build [sic] a 'tiny house' to commit themselves to 'green living' but the entire home ended up being stolen. (http://www.myfoxny.com/story/27760342/thieves-steal-house)
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: AlanS on January 05, 2015, 02:21:49 PM
LOL.

A San Antonio, Texas couple had build [sic] a 'tiny house' to commit themselves to 'green living' but the entire home ended up being stolen. (http://www.myfoxny.com/story/27760342/thieves-steal-house)

The comments are priceless!
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Glock32 on January 05, 2015, 02:45:32 PM
Why did he complain about it being stolen?  Doesn't he know that all property is theft?  From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Evidently someone else needed it more than him.  His complaints about the money and effort he put it into sound rather....bourgeois....to me.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: richb on January 05, 2015, 04:27:12 PM
What gets me is how he managed to spend $35k on that little thing.   Granted its easy to spend a small (or large) fortune on fancy finishes,  but you can get a much larger double wide mobile home for not much more (granted it won't have a standing seam metal roof or nice windows but yikes).   
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Predator Don on January 05, 2015, 11:56:24 PM
So....this thing gets stolen and the thieves decide to leave it in an empty lot? Really? That bad?
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on January 06, 2015, 07:37:20 AM
Heh!
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 06, 2015, 08:47:44 AM
So....this thing gets stolen and the thieves decide to leave it in an empty lot? Really? That bad?

You can bet it was one of his neighbors who didn't like the thought of having yet another moron liberal hippie around him.  And it would seem that just moving his house was enough to deter to the move.

However, I entirely see how this would cost $35 K.. if I were going to build one I would probably use SIP panels on all sides ( including the floor)  and that would run about $12K right there. But it would be far warmer than any camper shell etc. He probably  installed a fancy composting toilet for $4 grand or so.  No wood for a fire either- he has a have a fancy, small, propane furnace built into the wall for another 2 K.   Add in a  Tank less water heater for another 3K...  Solar power for another 4K... and we haven't even paid for siding, "green roofing" or super Green high efficiency windows, or the fabulous IKEA furniture.

So yeah, one of these done right ( by green standards)  is going to run $25-35K...
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Glock32 on January 06, 2015, 09:46:15 AM
Looks to me like it's basically 21st century gypsies.  Similar entitlement mentality too.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on January 06, 2015, 11:18:28 AM
What's next?

http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/73127969001 (http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/73127969001)

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Alphabet Soup on January 06, 2015, 12:02:04 PM
What gets me is how he managed to spend $35k on that little thing.   Granted its easy to spend a small (or large) fortune on fancy finishes,  but you can get a much larger double wide mobile home for not much more (granted it won't have a standing seam metal roof or nice windows but yikes).   

I bet a good chunk of it was tools.

Maybe I should check Craigslist?!
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 11, 2015, 04:06:06 PM
http://lightersideofrealestate.com/real-estate-life/cool-stuff/tiny-house-bestie-row (http://lightersideofrealestate.com/real-estate-life/cool-stuff/tiny-house-bestie-row)

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"The interiors of the homes are designed to look like a cross between modern and rustic. The corrugated sheathing gives the modern feel."

Or reminds you of a third world slum built out of used storage pods.  Whatever.




Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: ToddF on May 11, 2015, 04:07:09 PM
A trailer park.  What will they ever think of next?   ::)
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Pandora on May 11, 2015, 07:32:12 PM
A trailer park.  What will they ever think of next?   ::)

AHAH!  I lol'd.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Pandora on May 11, 2015, 07:34:48 PM
Just outside of Austin.  Figures, i.e. "keep Austin weird".
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on May 12, 2015, 06:26:53 AM
Entire sections of town must reek of sweat, butt and old bong water...

 ::puke::
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: John Florida on May 12, 2015, 08:26:21 AM
Entire sections of town must reek of sweat, butt and old bong water...

 ::puke::


 They have to be high to pay 35K for a 4K shed on wheels.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: AlanS on May 12, 2015, 06:16:04 PM
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They employed the assistance of architect Matt Garcia to make their dream come true.

They actually PAID an architect to design that piece of crap? ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on May 13, 2015, 07:08:58 AM
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They employed the assistance of architect Matt Garcia to make their dream come true.

They actually PAID an architect to design that piece of crap? ::hysterical::

I bet the poor bastard was just completely drained after that experience...

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: IronDioPriest on May 13, 2015, 07:30:04 AM
Just last night, the local news station ran a teaser for a feature on a family living in a 200 sq.ft. tiny home. Of course, according to the 15 second spot, it was a wonderful thing, and everybody was just so darn happy and smug about how little space people actually need.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on May 13, 2015, 07:43:56 AM
If those are good, concentration camps must be super-swell!  I mean 200SqFt sounds awfully damned luxurious, no responsible citizen needs that much, unless they're greedy, rich...evil!
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Glock32 on May 13, 2015, 10:48:34 AM
Just last night, the local news station ran a teaser for a feature on a family living in a 200 sq.ft. tiny home. Of course, according to the 15 second spot, it was a wonderful thing, and everybody was just so darn happy and smug about how little space people actually need.


Yet, you replace the environmentalist Gaia-worship with Christianity and skepticism in government and all of a sudden it's no longer a wonderful thing but instead something that demands attention from CPS and the sheriff's office.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: John Florida on May 13, 2015, 06:39:09 PM
  Idiots!! 
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: richb on May 14, 2015, 12:55:08 AM
You know what the biggest irony of this "tiny" house movement is? 

There actually is a market for newly built smaller and more modest homes.  One that is largely not filled,  in a good portion of the country.    Not that builders wouldn't  want to build these homes.   Many would love to do so,  but they aren't allowed by regulations and the cost of land (which is priced higher due to over regulation, largely due to zoning).   They would be easier to sell to,  because more people could afford them.   And most people still prefer a single family house over a multi-unit building,  even in cities.


What I am meaning,  homes between 800-1800 sq ft.   Not these tiny 200 to 600 sq ft.  houses but homes that aren't huge but not tiny.  Think of the homes built by the millions in the 1950's through the 1970's.   The ones you didn't really see large numbers of after the 1980's.   That's what people want, need and can afford.  And you largely cannot buy a new one anymore,  and most of the existing ones are now 40 or more years old (as is,  fixers).   Yeah,  they wouldn't be the same as those from the 1950's since most people would want a house with more open floor plans, 2 bathrooms (rather then just 1), and a bigger kitchen.  But the rest wouldn't be that much different. 

Zoning makes these types of homes basically impossible since many communities have minimum  square footage floor size (it blocks the tiny house movement too)and often minimum room sizes too.   Top that off with the cost of lots (often they have minimum sizes too) which are driven up in cost by many requirements that were never demanded of in the past.   You end up with just 2000-5000 square foot houses few can afford because that ends up being the only thing that pencils out for home builders. 

Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on May 14, 2015, 07:09:51 AM
So, ramblers and condos getting popular again?

The former is fine, the latter is OK but facilitates faster population concentration, which isn't necessarily good...depending upon the location/demographics.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: ToddF on May 14, 2015, 09:08:02 AM
Early in my working life, I would have loved something like my grandparents' houses.  Under a thousand sq ft, older, worth under $30k (at the time).


But Iowa isn't Minnesota, and to get that in Minnesota you would have had to move into the worst neighborhoods of Crapholeapolis...so condo it was.  These wooden, American buildings are the worst, for such living.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: IronDioPriest on May 14, 2015, 10:11:54 AM
When I was growing up, My great-aunt Cleo had a tiny home in Aitken MN. She was a spinster, and two of her sisters were nuns - one of whom lived with her in the little house. It had one front-room that served as kitchen/dining/living room, and in the rear was a bedroom and a small bathroom.

It was tucked back away from the road - further back than the two normal sized houses on either side. It almost looked like it could have been a shed for one or the other neighboring houses, except for the fact that she kept it impecabbly decorated like a home. There was no garage, no driveway. Just a concrete walk from the sidewalk.

When we would go visit, we would literally have to stand. Cleo and Sister Clara would sit, there was one extra kitchen chair for my mom, and the rest of us would stand.

If I had to guess based on my childhood memory, I would guess that this home was probably 300sq.ft. 15'X15' seems about right. It was barely sufficient for two immobile old women in their 90s.

If the government is going to start taking children away from parents for not providing the minimum accoutrements of government-approved childhood (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=13099.0), I think the tiny home would be a perfect place for them to begin.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: richb on May 14, 2015, 05:02:45 PM
So, ramblers and condos getting popular again?

The former is fine, the latter is OK but facilitates faster population concentration, which isn't necessarily good...depending upon the location/demographics.

Well,  condos are what get built to fill the market for the most part (since you can build more units per acre).   However,  even most people who end up buying condos would still prefer a single family house if it was possible.  For many its no longer possible,  the choice was taken from them.    Condos are still generally better then a rental. 

Generally single family houses are better investments too.   When the market goes down,  like it has over the last couple of years,  condos get harder hit,  as cheaper single family homes come on the market.   Then the pool of buyers of condos goes down faster as they can get a single house instead,  and most people do.   Towards the end of my RE  sales people who would have  probably gotten a condo a few years before,  ended up with a house because they had come down in price. 

Many places will never see a ranch house again,  lots are either too expensive or not big enough for a single floor house.   There is a reason why so many new neighborhood are garage door city,  lots aren't big enough to put garages in the back like they did in the 1950's. 
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on May 14, 2015, 09:54:07 PM
So, ramblers and condos getting popular again?

The former is fine, the latter is OK but facilitates faster population concentration, which isn't necessarily good...depending upon the location/demographics.

Well,  condos are what get built to fill the market for the most part (since you can build more units per acre).   However,  even most people who end up buying condos would still prefer a single family house if it was possible.  For many its no longer possible,  the choice was taken from them.    Condos are still generally better then a rental. 

Generally single family houses are better investments too.   When the market goes down,  like it has over the last couple of years,  condos get harder hit,  as cheaper single family homes come on the market.   Then the pool of buyers of condos goes down faster as they can get a single house instead,  and most people do.   Towards the end of my RE  sales people who would have  probably gotten a condo a few years before,  ended up with a house because they had come down in price. 

Many places will never see a ranch house again,  lots are either too expensive or not big enough for a single floor house.   There is a reason why so many new neighborhood are garage door city,  lots aren't big enough to put garages in the back like they did in the 1950's.

About what I would expect, thanks for the rundown.  My nephew is a realtor and until recently it had been bad all across the board, there is action to be had the past year or so, but it is definitely in the affordable end of things and people (wisely for the most part, despite bankers trying to push easy money still) are getting what they can afford for the area they look at, with the majority going further into the burbs even when older inner city dwellings dropped in price) and the inner cities have gotten wise to this and when old areas get renovated often times you'll see condos and townhomes pop up so they can keep more in the tax base.  The lack of rental property has been an issue for some time too.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Weisshaupt on July 16, 2015, 08:53:51 AM
Tiny houses in Des Moines? (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-16/micro-apartments-are-coming-to-the-midwest)
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on July 20, 2015, 09:03:18 PM
Sadly, we'll see more of this, the wrecked failing economy alone guarantees it, living standards are declining but people will accept less space if they still have all their crap...and rising crime cannot be far behind.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Weisshaupt on July 22, 2015, 10:19:30 AM
Adaptive Curmudgeon weighs in (https://adaptivecurmudgeon.wordpress.com/2015/07/22/tiny-house-rant/)  in his usual brilliant style

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I once wanted a tiny house. I wanted one desperately! The reason I wanted one was because I needed a place to live. I had none. Big houses were out of my fiscal league. Why not a small one? No house is too small when the alternative is sleeping in your car. (Yes, I slept in my car among other oddball solutions… sometimes it’s nice but usually it sucks.)

Then came the “tiny house” movement. I was delighted! Except it all went wrong. Eager trustafarian pinheads made tiny homes into a “green” thing, a “political” thing, an “it’s not an off grid/straw bale/geodesic/yurt but it’s just as impractical” shining example of snobbery writ small. They managed to push the idea that a tiny house ought to cost a fortune and backed it up with photos of free standing closets that were as utilitarian and attainable as Faberge eggs. All I could think was “what’s the point”? I had a concrete need. They had an ethereal agenda. I never forgave them.

There’s room on this earth for someone who can’t or won’t float a mega-mortgage. Room for someone who doesn’t want fifty windows to wash. Tiny homes killed the most recent iteration of that idea. Killed it with delicately arranged spice racks mounted next to wicker seats beneath stained glass windows where plywood and benches might serve in good stead. All the good intentions in creation stink of bullsh*t when some hippie turns 180 square feet of “roof over your head” into the Whole Foods organic kale of the housing world.

as they say.. read the whole thing..

and then read this (http://www.hipstercrite.com/2015/05/22/dear-people-who-live-in-fancy-tiny-houses/)
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on July 22, 2015, 10:42:12 AM
OK, as good as AC is...I think I like rant #2 better!

The pace and timing of the humor is quite good.   ::thumbsup::

Guys, you know when the zombie apocalypse comes you’re going to be the first to go, right? Four zombies could pick up and shake your tiny house like a Smart Car. Your bodies will be flinging out the windows like hornets shaken from a nest. You’re only going to have that one cooking pan and farts to save yourself.

 ::hysterical::

I wanna see that!   ::popcorn::
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: IronDioPriest on July 22, 2015, 11:17:31 AM
I don't get it. Why not just buy a Minnie-Winnie? They have everything the tiny home has, AND you can roll the thing wherever the f*** you want. You could live someplace new every week. One week Berkeley, one week San Francisco, one week Eugene, one week Portland, one week Seattle, one week Boulder, one week Madison... You could sample the weed from every region of the country (North of the Mason-Dixon Line, of course) all from the comfort of your tiny home on wheels. And they're so small, you could pull it with your Prius.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on July 22, 2015, 12:03:00 PM
I don't get it. Why not just buy a Minnie-Winnie? They have everything the tiny home has, AND you can roll the thing wherever the f*** you want. You could live someplace new every week. One week Berkeley, one week San Francisco, one week Eugene, one week Portland, one week Seattle, one week Boulder, one week Madison... You could sample the weed from every region of the country (North of the Mason-Dixon Line, of course) all from the comfort of your tiny home on wheels. And they're so small, you could pull it with your Prius.


 ::laughonfloor::

 ::clapping::
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Pandora on July 22, 2015, 12:34:21 PM
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I don't get it. Why not just buy a Minnie-Winnie?

Too off-the-rack/typical American consumer materialist/making Big Corp. rich. 

These people feel the need to express their individual artistry and that can't be done with 'see above'.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: IronDioPriest on July 22, 2015, 07:44:54 PM
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I don't get it. Why not just buy a Minnie-Winnie?

Too off-the-rack/typical American consumer materialist/making Big Corp. rich. 

These people feel the need to express their individual artistry and that can't be done with 'see above'.
They could always spruce it up with a Che Guevara mural and an upside-down cross.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: AlanS on July 22, 2015, 08:03:11 PM
Tiny houses in Des Moines? (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-16/micro-apartments-are-coming-to-the-midwest)

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Not everyone loves it. The ULI study collected completed surveys from 110 micro-apartment renters, finding that they were less likely than traditional renters to be satisfied with the value they got for their money.

Great! Now get your ass outta there, get a real job, and a REAL house!
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Pandora on July 22, 2015, 09:22:45 PM
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I don't get it. Why not just buy a Minnie-Winnie?

Too off-the-rack/typical American consumer materialist/making Big Corp. rich. 

These people feel the need to express their individual artistry and that can't be done with 'see above'.
They could always spruce it up with a Che Guevara mural and an upside-down cross.

Newp.  Not good enough.  The upside-down cross has to incorporate shelving and Che has to be hand-carved in the drawer/cabinet fronts.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Weisshaupt on October 14, 2015, 01:04:22 PM
And so on

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/us/live-in-boxes-in-oakland-redefine-housing-squeeze.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/us/live-in-boxes-in-oakland-redefine-housing-squeeze.html?_r=0)
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on October 14, 2015, 02:58:12 PM
And so on

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/us/live-in-boxes-in-oakland-redefine-housing-squeeze.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/us/live-in-boxes-in-oakland-redefine-housing-squeeze.html?_r=0)

Uhh huh...San Franstupid...I bet I know where this is going...

"These two improvised housing arrangements have emerged in an industrial pocket of Oakland where the median rent has gone up by 20 percent over the past year. One, in a warehouse, is called Containertopia, a community of young people who have set up a village of 160-square-foot shipping containers like ones used in the Port of Oakland. Each resident pays $600 a month to live in a container, which can be modified with things like insulation, glass doors, electrical outlets, solar panels and a self-contained shower and toilet."

Yeah, that was too easy.

And as soon as the ever-present and growing population of bangers, community organizers, illegals, dopers etc move in on this action..."Containertopia" will just be another slum area.  After all, they can't DENY anybody fair housing, that'd be wrong, racist, un-pc, anti-diversity and contra-multi-culti!!!

(snort!!!)

And this -

"Mr. Kloehn has made about 40 of the cheerily painted rolling boxes, coaxing people to leave their cardboard or tarp shanties on the streets."

Well, sheeeeeit!  If they're painted "cheerily"...

 ::hysterical::

And hey, where are their "This dumbass dwelling bans guns!" signs at?  They want to be free of violence, right?  Do the right thing then, people!

 ::laughonfloor::

Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: John Florida on October 14, 2015, 07:53:32 PM
  We look at them as a last resort and they see it as their only choice.   You have to have goals in life and it shows you how they think.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Glock32 on October 16, 2015, 12:04:11 PM
I have an idea for a tiny home for the Progs....



(http://www.funeral-urn.com/images/products/detail/1U-8348-pewter-forest-hands-600.jpg)
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Pandora on October 16, 2015, 02:20:07 PM
Perfect.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on October 19, 2015, 07:43:23 AM
Still, seems like too much metal to waste on something so useless...

Can't a Zip-lock suffice? 
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: BigAlSouth on October 19, 2015, 10:32:04 AM
May I be so bold as to inform the uninformed as to what a "self-contained" toilet and shower is?

It's like a mini-porta-pottie. IOW, your grey water and black water is saved for you in some sort of container. IT'S NOT CONNECTED TO THE CITY SEWER. So when it's full, you have to 'port' it out. In the container. And then dump said waste into an appropriate waste container.

You are welcome.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on October 19, 2015, 11:28:28 AM
Yeah, good catch.

So, where are these clowns going to toss that stuff?   ::speechless::
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: AlanS on October 19, 2015, 01:29:07 PM
Yeah, good catch.

So, where are these clowns going to toss that stuff?   ::speechless::

Being they're homeless, I'd avoid parks from now on.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Alphabet Soup on October 19, 2015, 02:04:43 PM
May I be so bold as to inform the uninformed as to what a "self-contained" toilet and shower is?

It's like a mini-porta-pottie. IOW, your grey water and black water is saved for you in some sort of container. IT'S NOT CONNECTED TO THE CITY SEWER. So when it's full, you have to 'port' it out. In the container. And then dump said waste into an appropriate waste container.

You are welcome.

Having done repairs on RV holding tanks and knowing a bit about the engineering involved I seriously doubt that any of these Insta-Ghettos are even remotely self-contained - unless you consider a 2nd-hand orange juice container under the sink to be a holding tank.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on October 19, 2015, 02:55:12 PM
From "Containertopia" to "Obamaville" in no time at all...

I hope they do a reality show on this...watching these effer's implode could be hilarious...
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: richb on October 19, 2015, 04:25:29 PM
it will be like the scene in National Lampoons Christmas Vacation when cousin Eddie is dumping his tank into the storm sewer.   "sh*tters full"  he saids to the neighbor
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 05, 2015, 07:25:37 AM
Another one extolling the saintly virtues of the tiny home, downsizing, and shedding the oppression of worldly possessions. Not having stuff is TRUE freedom, dontchyaknow.

850 sq.ft. is a far cry from the 200 sq.ft. homes we usually see highlighted, but still, the theme is the same. The American Dream of building a life of comfort is actually a prison, and living "down" to expectations is true freedom, according to these people.

How a Family of 5 Gained 'Shocking' Freedom by Downsizing to a 850 Square-Foot Home (http://www.yahoo.com/parenting/how-family-of-5-in-850-sq-foot-house-gained-155105691.html)
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 05, 2015, 09:53:01 AM
What? she went back to work and decided it wasn't worth it?  She wanted a smaller home because she wanted to stay home with the children? Shouldn't we persecute her for being off narrative?

All the kids in one bedroom? They will love that. Especially as they get older. Adopted daughter is out of there ( shes eighteen) but I am sure enjoys being in the bedroom with the baby.. And  what is your brilliant plan for when your younger son and daughter shouldn't be sharing a room? And using the bathroom requires a "creative do or die attitude"?  Ouch. But hey, she feels sorry for people who dot live her way, because  obliviously her choices should be for everyone.

However, 850 it at least a reasonable size.  It can be done, and millions of settlers did it with larger families. You can make it work (with that "creative do or die attitude")   but there is a reason that "American Dream" tract homes were 3 bedrooms and 1200 square feet. Its the minimum size comfortable space for a family for long term use. . Parents in one bedroom. Girls in the Second. Boys in the third.  These people will be forced to either turn the living room into a couch based bedroom for the boy,  or move to another home.  Obviously you can do that. But it becomes more work and the boy will no longer have his "own space" anywhere in the home.  He will probably pitch a tent in the yard and take to sleeping out there at some point.

Having an extra Bath is extremely convenient, as is having a second family room in my opinion - and it needn't be large. Just a place to retreat to away from everyone else.  My TEOTWAWKI place is 1600 square feet.  3 bedrooms, a small office off the master ( and connected to the main house)  and a large open area connecting dinging room, kitchen and living room.  I did enjoy being around the family more in that home - and often did my work at the kitchen table along with the children doing their homeschooling - so some of what this woman is talking about is true. And we had Michelle's mother staying with us for a while too ( and son slept on the couch in the "office/2nd living room) It was all pretty comfortable.

But anything under that and you are probably giving up some quality of life to make it work. It may be "worth it" -- but the narrative keeps pushing such extremes.  200sq feet for individuals or couples.  800 sq ft for a "family" . Agenda 21 is just written all over it.

Hulu had that "Tiny" documentary about the Hartsel Tiny Home ( built in boulder, moved to Hartsel, moved back again and the Hartsel land went up for tax sale)
It was pretty much what one would expect.


Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: ToddF on November 05, 2015, 11:34:36 AM
It's my grandparent's sized home.  I agree, smart move ditching the debt for something still highly livable.  You don't need the McMansion at 25.  It will pay off later in life.  I myself stayed in smaller homes than I could, to rid myself of debt quicker.   I'm going Galt at 52, next year.

I work with a guy in his 60s with the big home (still mortgaged) and the cabin (mortgage).  I can't think of a more pathetic position to be in life in the 60s than still heavily in debt.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Predator Don on November 05, 2015, 02:27:33 PM
They are not very bright people. So......sold house for 305K, paid 100K  for the little house, spent the addl 50K in improvements.....and now it carries a value of 275K.

Soooo.....I'd sell the tiny home for 275K and buy something small....but with an extra bedroom and bathroom. Probably would be mortgage free and I really don't think an addl bathroom and a 12x12 addl bedroom will spoil all their new found "freedom".
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: John Florida on November 08, 2015, 06:00:42 PM
 275k for a house half the size of their original home that brought only 305K   nice math.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 15, 2016, 12:59:40 PM
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/home-and-garden/architecture/teeny-house-big-lie-why-so-many-proponents-of-the-tiny-house-movement-have-decided-to-upsize/article28035056/ (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/home-and-garden/architecture/teeny-house-big-lie-why-so-many-proponents-of-the-tiny-house-movement-have-decided-to-upsize/article28035056/)
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on January 19, 2016, 05:42:34 PM
Quiters!

Sellouts!
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 21, 2017, 08:50:15 AM
You can't possibly invent the schizophrenic mind of the Left. Now the Tiny Home® is no longer a moral good; it is appropriation of the culture of poverty.  ::facepalm::

https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2017/04/20/sjw-turns-against-tiny-house-movement-as-poverty-appropriation/
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on April 21, 2017, 11:04:39 AM
 ::laughonfloor::

MSU & Butthurt collide! 

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: ToddF on April 22, 2017, 05:32:59 AM
She'll never know how far into self parody she's sunk.

Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: AlanS on April 22, 2017, 04:47:40 PM
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No matter what you do, someone on the Left is going to politicize it and attack you. So just go on doing your thing -- let them be miserable and move on.

Truer words have never been spoken.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: John Florida on April 22, 2017, 04:49:06 PM
  I didn't work all my life to end up in a glorified shed.
Title: Re: The constant drumbeat of the Tiny-Home
Post by: Libertas on April 24, 2017, 07:00:10 AM
  I didn't work all my life to end up in a glorified shed.

Exactly.

A shed is for storing stuff...or putting wood into and taking wayward children to for a whuppin'!