It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: charlesoakwood on April 24, 2011, 04:46:28 PM
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http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/04/07/new-2012-gop-face-texan-rick-perry (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/04/07/new-2012-gop-face-texan-rick-perry)
The Washington Whispers Poll has discovered a new Republican 2012 contender: Texas Gov. Rick Perry.
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29% ...Rick Perry
27% ...Chris Christie
22% ...Mitch Daniels
12% ...Gov. Nikki Haley
10% ...Haley Barbour - my first PL post was as advocate for Haley
Sarah Palin Campaigns for Rick Perry Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVxWG01V_hM#ws)
...wal whatareyou going to do, go have your baby now?
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Perry has more executive experience than any, I like some of the newbies like Haley though, but on the top of the ticket? Surprised Barbour's resume isn't floating him higher, but perhaps the desire for new blood was running thick in this poll. Internet polls can run hot and are open to gaming by the opposition. But it looks like the latter effect may have been minimized in this case, since no classic Ruling Class clowns registered hits.
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I would submit that Christie and Daniels are both ruling class. Not "classic" ruling class like, say, Gingrich but ruling class nonetheless.
Barbour is a probable candidate for inclusion in the ruling class, as well.
Haley is most definitely NOT ruling class since she had to stand against the ruling class to win her governorship.
Perry, I don't know enough about to say one way or the other.
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I only know what I've heard about Perry.
On another forum that I frequent (one which they easily throw out terms like globalist, Bilderberger, nnwo...), they mention his favor and advocacy for the highway from Mehico to Canada (what ever the name is).
Don't know about that stuff but he seems to be a moderate rather than a hard core conservative
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Perry has more executive experience than any, I like some of the newbies like Haley though, but on the top of the ticket? Surprised Barbour's resume isn't floating him higher, but perhaps the desire for new blood was running thick in this poll. Internet polls can run hot and are open to gaming by the opposition. But it looks like the latter effect may have been minimized in this case, since no classic Ruling Class clowns registered hits.
Perry certainly has an attractive resume' and tends to freshen the field . As for Barbour ; as much as I like him and what he says , the guy is unelectable . Appearances are superficial but so is a hell of a large segment of the voting public ( look who won in '08 ). Every time I hear Barbour speak I think I'm hearing a Dispatcher at the Neshoba County Sheriff's office . Then I open my eyes , see him and my suspicions are confirmed . There's just no way to repackage the guy into a sellable commodity which is a sad commentary on social attitudes in this country . Does anyone think that a tall , gawky , ugly guy with a high twangy voice could be elected President today ? 95% of the people who voted for Lincoln never saw him in person or heard his voice . What they knew of him was based essentially on one photograph ( which was unusually complimentary ) and his written speeches . That should be enough today but unfortunately it isn't .
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Perry has more executive experience than any, I like some of the newbies like Haley though, but on the top of the ticket? Surprised Barbour's resume isn't floating him higher, but perhaps the desire for new blood was running thick in this poll. Internet polls can run hot and are open to gaming by the opposition. But it looks like the latter effect may have been minimized in this case, since no classic Ruling Class clowns registered hits.
Perry certainly has an attractive resume' and tends to freshen the field . As for Barbour ; as much as I like him and what he says , the guy is unelectable . Appearances are superficial but so is a hell of a large segment of the voting public ( look who won in '08 ). Every time I hear Barbour speak I think I'm hearing a Dispatcher at the Neshoba County Sheriff's office . Then I open my eyes , see him and my suspicions are confirmed . There's just no way to repackage the guy into a sellable commodity which is a sad commentary on social attitudes in this country . Does anyone think that a tall , gawky , ugly guy with a high twangy voice could be elected President today ? 95% of the people who voted for Lincoln never saw him in person or heard his voice . What they knew of him was based essentially on one photograph ( which was unusually complimentary ) and his written speeches . That should be enough today but unfortunately it isn't .
Yeah, I wasn't pushing Barbour per se, I just found the stacking of the poll results as odd. If those were the choices I would rank them Perry, Barbour, Haley, Daniels, Christie. And I could be talked into moving Haley ahead of Barbour. And the only thing I can say about Perry is that he seems more conservative than moderate, more so than T-Paw, who I see as an attractive pawn to be manipulated by the likes of The Butthead and other Ruling Class Machiavellians!
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they mention his favor and advocacy for the highway from Mehico to Canada (what ever the name is).
Highway 69! Now THAT brings back some ancient Powerline memories. ::hysterical::
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That is one of Rick Perry's weaknesses around the state here. However, that is an issue he inherited, not authored.
He has taken strong stands against the current administration regarding the healthcare/other issues and illegal immigration. So, overall, he wouldn't be a bad candidate.
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Barbour just announced that he's not running according to POLITICO .
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Barbour just announced that he's not running according to POLITICO .
Yup.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/04/25/barbour_will_not_run_for_president.html (http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/04/25/barbour_will_not_run_for_president.html)
And another jumps in.
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,1196.new.html#new (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,1196.new.html#new)
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Haley Barbour is the man responsible for the Republicans winning the house in 1996. I hope Haley decides to use his skills to get a Tea Party candidate elected
http://www.npr.org/2011/04/25/135379956/born-organizer-barbour-fell-for-politics-at-20?ft=1&f=1014
In 1968, Reed recruited a young man named Haley Barbour, who had just helped out with his older brother Jeppie's successful campaign for mayor of their hometown, Yazoo City. Reed convinced Barbour, then 20 years old, to prolong a break from his studies at Ole Miss and help with the Nixon campaign. Reed was impressed with his new hire.
Barbour had stuck with Reagan when the rest of the Mississippi delegation swung its support to Gerald Ford
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"...He was a born organizer and a workaholic, and he just got it done."
deep Rolodex and the ability to raise a lot of cash.
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Reagan campaign manager Ed Rollins and his deputy, the late Lee Atwater, turned to Barbour for help with the Southern base during Reagan's re-election bid in 1984. Rollins then brought Barbour in as White House political director.
"I knew from the first day I worked with him that this guy had as good a skills as anybody I'd ever seen in politics," Rollins says. "I today think he is by far the best political strategist in the country."
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I remember those good old days!
;)
And I agree, I hope his talents can be put toward getting new blood in, while we still may have time!
::thumbsup::
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No.
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Yer gonna lose yer perspective, we've got two years to go.
The ride's just going to be a little bumpy.
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Yer gonna lose yer perspective, we've got two years to go.
The ride's just going to be a little bumpy.
O noes! A bumpy ride, a little, with no perspective!
Charles, some days you amaze me with your insight; other days I'm befuddled by your lack thereof.
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"No" meaning Barbour can't help get new blood elected or "No" we don't have any time?
The latter I am more inclined to believe, but hell, I don't mind anybody trying. Gotta pass the time somehow!
I'm at the "sh*t or get off the pot phase" where I can vacillate between caring and not caring...
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Yer gonna lose yer perspective, we've got two years to go.
The ride's just going to be a little bumpy.
O noes! A bumpy ride, a little, with no perspective!
Charles, some days you amaze me with your insight; other days I'm befuddled by your lack thereof.
The sighting is always the same I just don't think jumping the gun is wise.
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I'm wondersing if Gov. Perry has been replaced like Brewer. It's obvious that the government got to Brewer, and nowI'm beginning to think the same thing has happened to Perry. You know, obama always has his opponents removed, to get out of his way.
Every since the EPA has taken Texas down a coupla months ago, he has been suspiciously quiet. And now, with this EPA declaring west texas off limits to oil drilling because of a new protected lizard, I want to know where my Gov. is. Just saying....
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Mind reader.
Texas is on fire, over 250 homes burned down, cattle and, heaven forfend, wildlife burned alive. CNN had an article today and mentioned 300,000 acres, not counting the 1,500,000 already burned acres. Perry wrote Obama a letter, Bobby Jindal would have been holding press conferences.
ETA: The congressional power plays in progress may be the cause of his silence.
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"No" meaning Barbour can't help get new blood elected or "No" we don't have any time?
The latter I am more inclined to believe, but hell, I don't mind anybody trying. Gotta pass the time somehow!
I'm at the "sh*t or get off the pot phase" where I can vacillate between caring and not caring...
No to Perry.
It's not as though he's just now come to my attention; I've been aware of some of his issues for a bit and I'm not enamored with him..... at all.
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Oh, I misunderstood.
I don't agree with the list, several names missing I would like added...I rolled with what was served up.
We are a long way off from a choice, at least I hope it's a choice...I can't stand another Ruiling Class coronation!!!
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This whole business of starting the process two years before election day makes me want to puke . All it does is give the pundits something to beat their gums about and engage in their usual partisan persiflage . I long for the days of my youth when , as an example , Robert Kennedy didn't declare his candidacy until early in 1968 ( I think it was around February or March but don't quote me .) . Most people would say today that that's way too late but if Kennedy hadn't been killed he stood a pretty fair chance of beating Richard Nixon ... Although I'm glad he didn't .
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Tangentially:
Fox will present a presidential debate May 5.
This was confirmed yesterday during a bit on Rick Santorum.
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....Robert Kennedy didn't declare his candidacy until early in 1968 ( I think it was around February or March but don't quote me .) . Most people would say today that that's way too late but if Kennedy hadn't been killed he stood a pretty fair chance of beating Richard Nixon ... Although I'm glad he didn't .
Leftist headline: Sectionhand says he's glad Robert Kennedy was murdered!
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....Robert Kennedy didn't declare his candidacy until early in 1968 ( I think it was around February or March but don't quote me .) . Most people would say today that that's way too late but if Kennedy hadn't been killed he stood a pretty fair chance of beating Richard Nixon ... Although I'm glad he didn't .
Leftist headline: Sectionhand says he's glad Robert Kennedy was murdered!
" Ohio High School Student With Rare Mental Powers Wills Death of RFK " Read it in The Enquirer !
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Perry now says he's considering a run... (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/27/perry-i-will-consider-running-for-president/)
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Perry now says he's considering a run... (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/27/perry-i-will-consider-running-for-president/)
Pandora now says someone with some balls ought to consider asking him about legislating every young girl must get vaccinated with Gardisil, and about endorsing the plan for that enormous highway from Mexico, bisecting MY COUNTRY, to Canada which was loosely connected with NAFTA.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM27rJNQmGs&feature=player_embedded#at=16 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM27rJNQmGs&feature=player_embedded#at=16)
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The Republican Hispanic Conference endorsed Gov. Rick Perry for president Thursday, saying they hope an endorsement will pressure Mr. Perry to enter the race for president.
Although the governor has not officially entered the race for president, we hope our endorsement will encourage him to do so,” said conference chairman Rep. Aaron Peña, R-Edinburg. “Rick Perry has been good for Texas and the members of the conference join many across the state and the country who think he would be great for the nation.”
It's About Liberty link to article (http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/rick-perry-for-president-endorsed-by-gop-hispanic-group/)
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asking him about legislating every young girl must get vaccinated with Gardisil, and about endorsing the plan for that enormous highway from Mexico, bisecting MY COUNTRY, to Canada which was loosely connected with NAFTA.
That's all I need to know--not that he was on my list to begin with.
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............ Bobby Jindal would have been holding press conferences.
Bobby's never been scared of getting face time for the cameras. Especially when he's spouting sh*t.
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In the latest installment of a continuing series, Karl Denninger weighs in on Perry's candidacy:
Governor "Sexual Assault" Perry Wants To Be President? (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=187061)
This is the same Rick Perry who watched his Lieutenant Governor kill the bill in Texas just this week that would have made searches that would be sexual assaults if performed by anyone else crimes when performed by the TSA without probable cause.
When threatened by the Federal Government, instead of telling them to pound sand, fully aware that both IAH (Bush International) and DFW (Dallas Ft. Worth) airports are massive hubs and had the government actually shut down traffic in Texas it would have screwed the government - and the airlines - far worse than it would have screwed Texas - he folded.
You want this man as President? You vote for him in the primaries you're voting to have yourself, your wife or your son or daughter sexually assaulted not only at airports but at school functions such as prom.
Saturday night, a certified TSA official will be at the Santa Fe High School prom to oversee student searches.
After this hit the news they backed down - this time.
If we have President Perry, you can take to the bank that you will be rape-searched repeatedly at ever opportunity. After all, Governor Perry won't stand up and demand that this conduct meet with criminal prosecution when conducted without probable cause in an airport.
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The governor in Texas has no authority over the LT Governor. IOW, there is absolutely nothing Perry could have done.
I'm not sure I would be a supporter either for Perry, but to be fair, you have to give him a pass on this one issue. In Texas, the LT. Governor has all the power.
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The Governor can't even fire and replace the Lt. Governor? That's a screwy system. Why would anyone bother to run for Governor? Shouldn't they run for Lt. Governor instead?
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The Governor can't even fire and replace the Lt. Governor? That's a screwy system. Why would anyone bother to run for Governor? Shouldn't they run for Lt. Governor instead?
Not only a screwy system but inaccurate reporting that makes assumptions and reports them as fact creates doubt to the accuracy of other facts reported by the author.
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Did Perry pick the Lt. Governor to run on his ticket (as Presidential candidates choose their running mate), or are the two offices separate electoral races?
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Did Perry pick the Lt. Governor to run on his ticket (as Presidential candidates choose their running mate), or are the two offices separate electoral races?
The Lieutenant Governor is elected separately from the Governor, rather than on the same ticket; it is therefore possible for the Governor and Lieutenant Governor to be from different political parties ...
Wiki.
In this case, they're both Republicans.
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Did Perry pick the Lt. Governor to run on his ticket (as Presidential candidates choose their running mate), or are the two offices separate electoral races?
The Lieutenant Governor is elected separately from the Governor, rather than on the same ticket; it is therefore possible for the Governor and Lieutenant Governor to be from different political parties ...
Wiki.
In this case, they're both Republicans.
Are they elected as together as our President and Vice President or do they run independent of each other?
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Did Perry pick the Lt. Governor to run on his ticket (as Presidential candidates choose their running mate), or are the two offices separate electoral races?
The Lieutenant Governor is elected separately from the Governor, rather than on the same ticket; it is therefore possible for the Governor and Lieutenant Governor to be from different political parties ...
Wiki.
In this case, they're both Republicans.
Are they elected as together as our President and Vice President or do they run independent of each other?
I'm not sure what you mean by independent of each other when, as stated above, they run separate races, one for each position, and can be of different parties.
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So the Governor has no power over the Lt. Governor? That is wack, as the young'uns say. Again, why would anyone bother running for Governor when they could run for Lt. Governor?
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The LTGovernor is the president of the senate and actually serves the same purpose as harry reid. Similarly, obama couldn't fire harry either.
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By saying they were both Republicans I thought you meant they were elected together or that Perry had tipped his hat to him, I misunderstood.
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By saying they were both Republicans I thought you meant they were elected together or that Perry had tipped his hat to him, I misunderstood.
Gotcha. I believe the misunderstanding came from where I was clarifying that what I posted from Wiki about the election process there which stated they could be from different parties, in this case they aren't.
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The easiest way to understand it is that the LTGovernor is not the same as the VP, it is the same as the majority leader in the Senate. Two separate offices that are not connected in any way. The LTGovernor controls what the Senate votes on, what is presented, what is discussed, etc. just like Harry Reid does in the Senate. That is why he had the power to pull Dan Patrick's bill and kill it; with or without the support of the governor.
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So at any rate, the TX Lt. Gov. needs to be primaried.
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So at any rate, the TX Lt. Gov. needs to be primaried.
He needs to be put back in the box and shipped back to the factory where he came from!
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So at any rate, the TX Lt. Gov. needs to be primaried.
He needs to be put back in the box and shipped back to the factory where he came from!
::oldman::
::rockethrow::
TX Lt. Gov.