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Topics => 2nd Amendment/Firearms => Topic started by: Weisshaupt on November 07, 2014, 07:58:35 AM

Title: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 07, 2014, 07:58:35 AM
Current Stats (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/total-nics-checks-nov.-30-1998-october-31-2014)

This might be the first year since Obama was elected where the TOTAL NICs checks will be less than the previous year - but not by much.  It will still be pretty close to 20 Million. Just not 21 million.

105,502,494 NICS checks since Obama was elected.   Yeah in the last 6 years,  1/3 of the country has either sought to buy at least one gun or a Concealed Carry.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Glock32 on November 07, 2014, 11:07:10 AM
Yep. Any decrease in NICS stats now is simply because everyone even remotely inclined to wanting a gun has already bought one.  Or several.  The AR-15 in particular has been made in the tens of millions.  It's the most popular firearm in America.

I was always more of an AK guy, but I have recently embraced the AR.  I barely had my new Colt for 2 days before I was already ordering parts to do a home build.  They're rather addictive.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on November 07, 2014, 11:55:43 AM
It's still going to be the second highest year on record, but I'll bet some people (foolishly feeling a) false sense of security (or less fearful sense of insecurity) now that Pubbies won the Senate, will result in 2015 probably reverting to 2006 levels.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 07, 2014, 12:20:07 PM
It's still going to be the second highest year on record, but I'll bet some people (foolishly feeling a) false sense of security (or less fearful sense of insecurity) now that Pubbies won the Senate, will result in 2015 probably reverting to 2006 levels.

I doubt it. We are going to see no significant changes.. there are still states where unconstitutional gun laws are being passed, and the economics aren't changing. There are  going to be more Fergusons -- and some subset of the population is aware of that.  It may fall, but probably not back to a 2006 level.

Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on November 07, 2014, 01:55:30 PM
It's still going to be the second highest year on record, but I'll bet some people (foolishly feeling a) false sense of security (or less fearful sense of insecurity) now that Pubbies won the Senate, will result in 2015 probably reverting to 2006 levels.

I doubt it. We are going to see no significant changes.. there are still states where unconstitutional gun laws are being passed, and the economics aren't changing. There are  going to be more Fergusons -- and some subset of the population is aware of that.  It may fall, but probably not back to a 2006 level.

Think so?  I see it in the 10-12m/year range, nothing to sneeze at but not the hysteria of the Obola Era.  When did you become an optimist?
 ;D   ::pokeineye::
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: richb on November 08, 2014, 08:04:38 PM
I think it may level out a bit,  but hopefully it will never go back down.   Slowly people are waking up.   

And for folks like me,  I still have to get something yet.    When I was still working,  I didn't get my Indiana concealed carry,  due to my closeness to the border of the people's republic of Illinois.   I didn't want to risk forgetting I was carrying and cross into Illinois by mistake.    And frankly,  the neighborhoods on the Illinois side are the reason why I would want to carry to begin with.  The south side of Chicago is far more dangerous then even Gary. 

Since Illinois has been forced to allow concealed now,  its finally legal to carry.   However Illinois doesn't recognize Indiana's carry permits.   Someone I know is now suing Illinois over that.  He is a firearms instructor who has to teach his Illinois students,,,, in Indiana.......... So they are still blocking most out of state people yet. 

So I will probably get something after I get working again and Illinois is forced to allow more out of state permits.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: AlanS on November 09, 2014, 09:05:39 AM
However Illinois doesn't recognize Indiana's carry permits.

I haven't researched it, but I was under the impression IL doesn't recognize ANY other state's permit.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Septugenarian on November 09, 2014, 11:22:50 AM
However Illinois doesn't recognize Indiana's carry permits.

I haven't researched it, but I was under the impression IL doesn't recognize ANY other state's permit.

True.  If driving through, one must leave their gun in their vehicle if they stop for any reason.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on November 09, 2014, 11:58:11 AM
Best to boycott such idiotic areas until they wish to join with sane people, if they never do fine with me, I never have to go there.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Glock32 on November 09, 2014, 01:40:49 PM
(http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt116/FredWitzell/2ndAmendmentPermit.gif)
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on November 09, 2014, 03:28:54 PM
(http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt116/FredWitzell/2ndAmendmentPermit.gif)

 ::clapping::

So stealin' that!

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/2nd%20Amendment/1300239249.jpg)
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: fordguy_85 on December 02, 2014, 05:16:48 PM
Looks like 1.8 million for November... I say we break 20 mil for the year.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on December 03, 2014, 07:03:51 AM
Needing only 1,341,137 for December to hit 20M on the nose, yeah, looks to be certain, but it won't break last years 21.1M.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Septugenarian on January 08, 2015, 07:54:58 AM
December hit 2.3 Million NICS checks.  ::thumbsup::   ::danceban::

It looks like 23.2 million for a new record!!   ::cool::

Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on January 08, 2015, 11:18:26 AM
December hit 2.3 Million NICS checks.  ::thumbsup::   ::danceban::

It looks like 23.2 million for a new record!!   ::cool::

 ::saywhat::

I only see 20,968,547 for the year...2013 is still the highest year and the 2,783,765 in December 2013 being the highest month ever.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf)

Did you find those missing 7 ObamaStates?   ;D
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Septugenarian on January 08, 2015, 12:35:18 PM
Yah, could be. Here is where I got this news. 

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/07/fbi-december-gun-sales-skyrocket-2-3-million-background-checks-conducted/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/07/fbi-december-gun-sales-skyrocket-2-3-million-background-checks-conducted/)

The FBI’s December figures show 2.3 million background checks for gun purchasers were conducted in one month alone.

That is an increase of nearly 300,000 from the number of background checks conducted in December 2013.

Breitbart News previously reported that on Black Friday alone there were nearly three background checks conducted every second. A strong December was expected.

CNN Money reports that the 2.3 million background checks for December were considerably higher than the number of background checks for other months in 2014. For example, there were 1.4 million conducted in July and 1.5 million conducted in August. This was topped by 1.6 million in October and 1.8 million in November.

Oops, I added Dec to 2013. ::speechless::
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: benb61 on January 08, 2015, 12:42:19 PM
I contributed to the July, November and December numbers.  Wish I still had the things I bought, damn boating accidents!!
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on January 08, 2015, 01:26:08 PM
Yah, could be. Here is where I got this news. 

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/07/fbi-december-gun-sales-skyrocket-2-3-million-background-checks-conducted/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/07/fbi-december-gun-sales-skyrocket-2-3-million-background-checks-conducted/)

The FBI’s December figures show 2.3 million background checks for gun purchasers were conducted in one month alone.

That is an increase of nearly 300,000 from the number of background checks conducted in December 2013.

Breitbart News previously reported that on Black Friday alone there were nearly three background checks conducted every second. A strong December was expected.

CNN Money reports that the 2.3 million background checks for December were considerably higher than the number of background checks for other months in 2014. For example, there were 1.4 million conducted in July and 1.5 million conducted in August. This was topped by 1.6 million in October and 1.8 million in November.

Oops, I added Dec to 2013. ::speechless::

sh*t Obama happens.   ;D
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on January 08, 2015, 01:26:47 PM
I contributed to the July, November and December numbers.  Wish I still had the things I bought, damn boating accidents!!

You too?!

And that is hard on frozen lakes, lemme tell ya!   :o
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 08, 2015, 01:45:04 PM
That came in a LOT higher than I thought it would. I thought we would just barely make 20 Million.  But that is very nearly 21 Million and on par with last year.
So you can say its leveling off.. but its stil really, really high and not really declining.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Alphabet Soup on January 08, 2015, 02:43:42 PM
Don't forget that every time anyone in Washington wants to hand their shootin iron to a non-family member (even for a minute) we generate another NICS...

 ::cussing::
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on February 04, 2015, 12:39:23 PM
So NICS checks in January proceeded at a brisk pace  (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf) -1,772,794 - the second highest on record  for January. (highest was 2,495,440 in Jan 2013)  and Washington State accounted for 38,018 of those  (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year_by_state.pdf) if you want to suspect the inane new laws there as contributing.

Meanwhile the FBI redesigned its site a bit and there is a  new report ( or one I just hadn't seen before)  showing the effectiveness of the NICS system (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/federal_denials.pdf)

There have been 1,173,964 denials  - since 1998 - our of 204,309,316 checks, or about 0.6%
So apparently there aren't all that many criminals dumb enough to try and buy a gun legally.  IN fact only 786415 of these were denied because they were convicted criminals or fugitives. A further  113,479  were because of a MISDEMEANOR Domestic Violence conviction. Another 100,000 for Drug Possession - 50,000 for a Protection or Restraining order ( which requires no proof or day in court)

So Yeah. Go TEAM NICS.


Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: richb on February 04, 2015, 03:59:00 PM
Sort of shows how unnecessary such a list of gun owners is.   This list is not in the best interest of the citizens of the US,  and frankly shouldn't be allowed.  Fails the constitutional test too (not that government types give a s**t about that anymore). 

If anything the only list that should exist is those who cannot own,  due to some types of convictions, mental illnesses  etc.   And many convictions should not preclude gun ownership either,  so even that list is too big.  Wouldn't need a waiting period either,  your not on the list,  here is your purchase.   
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on February 04, 2015, 04:31:43 PM
Sort of shows how unnecessary such a list of gun owners is.   This list is not in the best interest of the citizens of the US,  and frankly shouldn't be allowed.  Fails the constitutional test too (not that government types give a s**t about that anymore). 

If anything the only list that should exist is those who cannot own,  due to some types of convictions, mental illnesses  etc.   And many convictions should not preclude gun ownership either,  so even that list is too big.  Wouldn't need a waiting period either,  your not on the list,  here is your purchase.

In theory all approved requests are deleted within 24 hours, and in theory they are only checking those requests against a list like you describe.
But I think, given the NSA spying and other programs, and what happened in Canada,  it is naive to think the government isn't retaining the information for every single request made.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: John Florida on February 04, 2015, 07:22:08 PM
Sort of shows how unnecessary such a list of gun owners is.   This list is not in the best interest of the citizens of the US,  and frankly shouldn't be allowed.  Fails the constitutional test too (not that government types give a s**t about that anymore). 

If anything the only list that should exist is those who cannot own,  due to some types of convictions, mental illnesses  etc.   And many convictions should not preclude gun ownership either,  so even that list is too big.  Wouldn't need a waiting period either,  your not on the list,  here is your purchase.

In theory all approved requests are deleted within 24 hours, and in theory they are only checking those requests against a list like you describe.
But I think, given the NSA spying and other programs, and what happened in Canada,  it is naive to think the government isn't retaining the information for every single request made.


  You bet your life they're keeping it all safe from the public that would only use the info to harm themselves.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on February 05, 2015, 07:16:27 AM
Why is Pan's tagline rattling around my head...and why am I smiling?

I hope that makes them nervous too!   :D
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on April 09, 2015, 07:27:59 AM
This graphic puts it in a nice perspective:

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/2nd%20Amendment/guns1999to2013_zpsdzvssghp.jpg)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/8/obama-gun-control-push-backfires-as-us-firearms-in/# (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/8/obama-gun-control-push-backfires-as-us-firearms-in/#)!

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/2nd%20Amendment/firearms-salesman.jpg)
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Glock32 on April 09, 2015, 10:28:21 AM
Another interesting trend in that graph is that not only have the absolute numbers gone up dramatically, but look at the proportion of handguns to rifles and shotguns.  That's the CCW trend right there.  Go back 10-15 years and more rifles are made than handguns.  But after the early '00s, handguns took over as the leading type of firearm.

I love it.  All of these firearms in the hands of private citizens nationwide.  There's no putting that genie back in the bottle for the grabbers. Every draconian proposal just increases the sales further, and even if they did get their way with new gun control, look at how many are already out there. They've lost this battle in the Culture War, and it's one of the few areas that give me a little flame of optimism.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on April 09, 2015, 11:14:14 AM
Yup.  I love it too.

It is probably the one graphic that will (and should!) scare the statists silly.

 ::whoohoo::
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on June 24, 2015, 06:49:56 AM
Still going strong
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf)

+112439 over last year in Jan
-227279 down from last year in Feb
-476354 down  from last year in March
-30919 down in April
95721 up in May

So we are down by 1/2 million or so  for the same period last year- but still on track to break 20 Million checks for the third year in a row.
But nothing is going on and  you are isolated crazy if you think there are any problems worth worrying about.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Glock32 on June 24, 2015, 10:07:52 AM
Oh and also, AP polls say firearm ownership is declining.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on June 24, 2015, 02:06:07 PM
Oh and also, AP polls say firearm ownership is declining.

Well, the number of people willing to openly admit they have firearms without  fear of being put on some list is declining..
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Glock32 on June 24, 2015, 02:35:59 PM
Oh and also, AP polls say firearm ownership is declining.

Well, the number of people willing to openly admit they have firearms without  fear of being put on some list is declining..



For sure.  I just love how they churn out these polls in an effort to influence public opinion.  They're so detached from reality.  So let's see, record levels of NICS checks for several years in a row, but oh, gun ownership is declining!  Even as other polls show public support for gun ownership at highest levels ever.  Even as other stats show women the most enthusiastic new demographic among gun owners.

But yeah, gun ownership is declining says the AP.  Uh-huh.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: richb on June 24, 2015, 03:52:30 PM
Frankly any "poll" by a lamestream media group is suspect. 

Just check the wording of the poll and you can make any claim you want.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on June 24, 2015, 11:10:14 PM
The AP like any MFMer are suspect from the start.

PS-Love the new avatar G! 
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on July 08, 2015, 07:44:31 AM
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf)

Another million and a half in June...business remains steady...

Looks to be on pace for about the same level as last year, which was just a slight dip from the high of 2013.

I have a feeling 2016 could surpass 2013...if the second half of this year trends higher I'd say it is almost a certainty...
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on September 05, 2015, 06:27:32 PM
If we simply get the same Year over Year  numbers till December there will be 20,985,067 NICS checks this year... making it the third year in a row for over 20 million and almost exceeding the top of 21 million set in 2013

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf)


And since May the year over year totals have been up by 200,000 or so every month.. ( gee I wonder if the Ferals had anything to do with it?)  and I suspect with the recent stock market crash, and growing unrest in the Middle East, and the continually worsening border situation and obvious persecution of Christians in the United States, I am betting you are going to see a new record, something closer to 21.5 Million.  I guess its good more people are waking up - I just hope its not any libtards.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Glock32 on October 08, 2015, 08:41:30 AM
September Sees Record Gun Sales (http://freebeacon.com/issues/september-sees-record-gun-sales/)


Quote
Some see Democrats’ calls for executive action to restrict guns as cause

The Federal Bureau of Investigation processed a record number of background checks in the month of September, indicating that gun sales were at an all time high for the month.

The FBI’s National Instant Background Check System processed 1,795,102 applications to buy a firearm in September. That represents a new record: 335,739 more checks than the previous September high set in 2012, or a 23 percent increase.

The number of checks done in a particular month is considered a reliable gauge of how many gun sales have occurred since background checks are required on all sales made through licensed firearms dealers. The actual number of sales is likely higher since multiple firearms can be sold to the same person by a dealer under a single background check. The numbers also do not account for sales between private parties that do not require a background check.

September is the fifth month in a row to set a record for background checks. May, June, July, and August all produced record numbers. The summer of 2015 has seen the most gun sales on record.

The summer has also seen an increase in calls from some Democratic presidential candidates, including frontrunner Hillary Clinton, for new gun control laws. Clinton has said she would use executive orders to implement certain forms of gun control.

The Second Amendment Foundation said Democratic efforts to impose new gun control measures were fueling the sales increases. “We are seeing new record highs in gun sales due to the increased anti-gun rhetoric from Democratic candidates like Hillary Clinton,” said Alan Gottlieb, the group’s founder. “Their push for new restrictions on gun ownership is fueling gun sales.”

“If they really want less guns in private hands they should consider what happens every time they open their mouths.”
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on October 08, 2015, 10:17:01 AM
September Sees Record Gun Sales (http://freebeacon.com/issues/september-sees-record-gun-sales/)

Well, the Left is never too interested in the actual consequences of their actions-- they got what they wanted as soon as they said they wanted to ban guns... thus sending the moral signal that they are better and superior. They got their ego stroke, so they don't really care if that ego stroke resulted in more of the problem than existed before. Its probably actually a bonus, because the longer they have a problem to feel superior about the more ego strokes they can get off of it.

Meanwhile I am betting on 21.5 -22 Million checks for the year, setting a new record.

Perhaps TPTB   really aren't considering a house to house confiscation anytime soon - and really have no plans at all to actually initiate a police state- just enrich themselves as much as possible before the collapse and then disappear. .  Or it could simply be that they plan on using chemical /biological WMDs to wipe us out so they really don't care  if we are well armed or not. (They have the cure, come to the concentration camp to be processed or die where you are. We don't care..) Or maybe they know the Grey Aliens are coming to exterminate  us in their war against the Reptilians (or vice versa) and want us as well armed as possible without causing a panic. ( Maybe I should visit beforeitsnews less often...?)  They certainly  don't seem to care or are powerless to stop the massive armament and stockpiling of munitions that continues to this day.  Why else would he mention doing bans similar to the UK and Australia when they are obviously unconstitutional ( and even if they weren't would be considered so  by a troublesome percentage of the population)  - Maybe Obama and other prominent Dems are just getting rich off of Gun and Ammo stocks? Do they run Gun shop side businesses? I can't imagine they are oblivious to the bumps they give the numbers each time.  They don't care for one reason or another, and I don't think its because they are so stupid as to think that if they did get their laws they would get obedience. Its probably moe of Obama's punk attitude and policy of gaslighting than anything else I suspect.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on October 08, 2015, 11:56:58 AM
I think this last round of hysterical anti-gun rhetoric is going to make October strong and we haven't even got to the SCoaMF's exploitation in Oregon yet (he is expected to invade those poor people's space tomorrow) so October should be strong, November probably be pretty good and December is always a popular time and with Congress in recess that would be the perfect time for the Tyrant to issue decrees and make sure holiday sales come in strong.  A record year is virtually guaranteed.

Heck, I might even have to get in some more action!  What the heck...can never have enough!   ::whoohoo::
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 03, 2015, 06:57:26 PM
And survey says

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf)

1,976,559 NICs checks for October. up from 1,603,469 last year.  17,584,346 this year so far.   If we just duplicate last year's Nov and December that will be 21.7 Million NICs checks this year, setting a new record. 
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on November 04, 2015, 07:21:04 AM
It seems a certainty a new record will be achieved.

And God only knows what awaits in 2016, eh?

Heck, we still have the last two months of 2015 to survive and that is no guarantee...
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on December 02, 2015, 07:41:23 AM
New Black Friday NICS record.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/12/01/black-friday-breaks-record-185k-gun-background-checks/76624604/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/12/01/black-friday-breaks-record-185k-gun-background-checks/76624604/)

I'm guessing the bi-sexual Muslim stooge rat-bastard gun-grabbing statist scumbag in the White House still gets lots of that credit, eh?
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on December 02, 2015, 06:24:27 PM
And the number for November is 2,243,043 - 5th highest month on record.  19.8 Million for the year so far.

If December merely mirrors last year,  it will come out to 22.1 Million checks this year, beating the old record by a cool million.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf)

And with this fun new shooting in a "gun free zone"  by probable Obama imported ISIS militants is only going to drive sales further, especially as Obama will be out pushing Gun control again in the next 5 minutes or so - even as he gives more weapons to ISIS in Syria



But remember - the Recovery is in full swing and everything is awesome!

see also :

https://adaptivecurmudgeon.wordpress.com/2015/12/02/black-friday-money-spent-on-freedom/ (https://adaptivecurmudgeon.wordpress.com/2015/12/02/black-friday-money-spent-on-freedom/)



Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on December 03, 2015, 07:26:19 AM
(http://iotwreportcom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/obama-gun-salesman-of-the-century--e1448343744498.jpg)

And yeah...thanks to this asshole and his forced-fed Muzzie outreach and their typical results like in San Bernadino...December should end, umm...with a bang.

And early on Obuttface didin't even know what the heck was happening and as usual would never think it could be his Mohammadan ilk...talks gibberish out of his rotten pie hole...

"We have a pattern now of mass shootings..." (http://www.weaselzippers.us/243202-obama-opines-on-san-bernadino-shooting-before-knowing-if-its-terrorism-or-a-mass-shooting-by-nutters/)

Yeah, asshole, that pattern is ISLAM, bitch! 

But all the other useless Prog whores wasted no time in spinning this from an "Islam problem" to a "gun problem"!

Wassherfatassschlitzed - "gun violence".

Nasty-ass Pelousi - "enough is enough".

http://www.weaselzippers.us/243157-pelosi-and-wasserman-schultz-use-san-bernardino-shooting-to-push-for-gun-control/ (http://www.weaselzippers.us/243157-pelosi-and-wasserman-schultz-use-san-bernardino-shooting-to-push-for-gun-control/)

And in just one of many sick tweets by this liberal progressive democrat media whore - "GOP...Peeps are shooting up America".

http://www.weaselzippers.us/243133-liberal-dummy-founder-of-dailykos-claims-san-bernadino-shooting-carried-out-by-republicans/ (http://www.weaselzippers.us/243133-liberal-dummy-founder-of-dailykos-claims-san-bernadino-shooting-carried-out-by-republicans/)

No, you motherf**king liars...YOUR PEOPLE ARE SHOOTING UP AMERICANS!  We have had enough of your muzzie-ass kissing forced pc/diversity/multi-culti insanity and YOU and YOUR PEOPLE are driving me and my people to arm up like never before in history!

Got it?
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Glock32 on December 04, 2015, 10:29:09 PM
This was on my local news tonight:

http://www.wsoctv.com/videos/news/gun-sales-skyrocket-after-recent-attacks-mass/vDfzMd/ (http://www.wsoctv.com/videos/news/gun-sales-skyrocket-after-recent-attacks-mass/vDfzMd/)

The shop mentioned in this article is the biggest gun store in the country.


Quote
CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Just hours after this week's mass shooting in San Bernardino, California, the White House called for tighter gun control measures.

Since then, local experts told Channel 9, guns have been flying off the shelves.


Shops like Hyatt Coin and Gun have been very busy. Business picked up immediately after last month's Paris terror attack.

Black Friday was the biggest day ever for federal background checks.

Shop owner Larry Hyatt told Channel 9 that he has been very busy recently.

The shop normally gets busier this time of year because of hunting, but more people are buying guns now for self-protection, he said.

He said he believes that the terror attacks and mass shootings are the reasons behind it.

“Those few seconds those terrorists have they can wreak havoc, or some of these crazed mass shooters. So everyone is very concerned, in addition to all the other crime going in on the country,” Hyatt said.

Hyatt showed Channel 9 how many sales the shop is making. At 5 p.m., learn more about the training that gun shop employees undergo to try to make sure guns don’t end up in the wrong hands.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on December 05, 2015, 08:18:50 AM
I haven't been out shopping for a while...I do feel bad about that...I might have to remedy that. 

Judging by GunBot prices and availability, it looks like the spike hasn't hit ammo yet, but it will.  Price per round is still somewhat elevated for .556 M855, .22LR can be had but CCI MiniMag remains elusive, plenty of AK rounds...I might have to go that flavor soon...in pistol rounds most flavors seem available with varying degrees of price ranges.  But you can bet the runnup in gun purchases is going to hit ammo again, and real soon.  You want some you better get some now.

Oh, and I hope no Vegans are NOT buying guns...those folks are unstable as Pakistani brides (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=13822.new#new).

I've also been wondering...if it would be a good idea to get a FFL?  Have to think about that some more.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on December 07, 2015, 07:20:25 AM
And now proof of what you already know to be true

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-04/feds-illegally-maintain-registry-firearm-owners-media-fails-report-it (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-04/feds-illegally-maintain-registry-firearm-owners-media-fails-report-it)

http://www.infowars.com/here-he-goes-again-obama-says-its-insane-for-millions-of-americans-on-watchlists-to-own-guns/ (http://www.infowars.com/here-he-goes-again-obama-says-its-insane-for-millions-of-americans-on-watchlists-to-own-guns/)



Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on December 07, 2015, 07:37:44 AM
Always operated on the assumption these fascist progs were keeping a list...they still have to come and try to pry the few I might have dry out of my cold dead hands...if they get that far.

And with Gun Salesman of the Decade adding more and more to the list...wtf good is it going to do them?  As soon as any confiscation starts the jig is up and it's full-blown civil war.

So one can only conclude these crazy bastards want BITS.

Oh, and BTW...before Obama wants to start confiscating and banning...perhaps he should try to clean up his Fedcoat sh*t first!

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/72-dhs-employees-on-terrorist-watch-list/ (http://freebeacon.com/national-security/72-dhs-employees-on-terrorist-watch-list/)

...and that's just DHS and the ones we know about!

But, these are probably mostly Obama appointees and muzzies, so...they get a free pass, eh?

 ::upsidedownflag::
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on December 08, 2015, 11:16:08 AM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/12/stunning-over-100-million-guns-sold-in-us-since-obama-became-president-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/12/stunning-over-100-million-guns-sold-in-us-since-obama-became-president-video/)

(http://iotwreportcom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/obama-gun-salesman-of-the-century--e1448343744498.jpg)
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Predator Don on December 08, 2015, 12:39:59 PM
 We have a large gun and knife show in Nashville every month. The city, in an attempt to keep us safe, will no longer lease the fairgrounds building for the purpose of gun shows. Now, I go to this a lot...never felt threatened. I'm sure they will find a different venue but the "assault" on firearms is in full swing.

Also took around 90 minutes to get my background check. Normally done in a few minutes. Black Friday was hot....lol
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on December 08, 2015, 01:27:34 PM
I recall from previous Black Fridays it never took more than 40-45 minutes.  Volume is increasing.

For a fairly blue state...we have a lot of shows...many in the cities at armories or the fairgrounds, several in surrounding towns...probably 6-8/year.

Haven't been to one of those in a long time, but the Obama-effect was such that just trying to get in, work an aisle and seriously scope out stuff was difficult at best.

Need a bigger venue!
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on December 08, 2015, 03:09:46 PM
Went to the Tanner show last weekend. My check took over 45 minutes.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 04, 2016, 10:45:23 AM
And the Grand total

23,141,970.  Beating the old record by 2,000,000.  Over 3 million checks in December alone.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf)
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on January 04, 2016, 11:41:11 AM
Yup, blew the heck out of that.  And 2016 could top that.  The lawlessness about to flow from the Dark Sided One is going to be hideous.

Some are expecting hideous sooner rather than later...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-04/gun-stocks-soar-ahead-reported-gun-control-executive-action-tomorrow (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-04/gun-stocks-soar-ahead-reported-gun-control-executive-action-tomorrow)

Do it, and don't be a candyass Barry, ban everything associated with modern day assault muskets!  Try it, let me know how that works out for y'all.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on February 04, 2016, 08:29:11 AM
And 2016 starts strong 2, 545,802 in January. Highest January on record, though January 2013 came close.
Third highest month  on record ( the other two were Decembers)

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf)

Maybe we had a new group wake up and smell the coffee .. or the old group just redoubled their efforts ( though I would suspect that would be mostly Ammo)
Its going to be bloody.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: AmericanPatriot on February 04, 2016, 09:02:55 AM
I ep losing my guns in those horrible boating accidents and need to replace them
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: John Florida on February 04, 2016, 09:12:54 PM
  I have to confess there was a big sale and I lost my head.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on February 05, 2016, 07:07:53 AM
The more guns in private hands the better.

Eff the Fascists!
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: fordguy_85 on February 05, 2016, 04:11:52 PM
I picked up an AR lower receiver this AM for an upcoming 12.5" pistol build that I may end up converting to suppressed/sbr... Just doing my part...  ::danceban::
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on February 08, 2016, 07:31:00 AM
 ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on March 03, 2016, 07:26:25 AM
Still going red-hot!

February - 2.6M!

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf)
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on April 05, 2016, 08:17:04 AM
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf)

And another 2.5 Million in March.

7.6 Million for the year so far.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on April 05, 2016, 12:23:19 PM
Could be a hot year in more than a couple senses...
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on May 05, 2016, 07:59:44 AM
April - 2,145,865

http://freebeacon.com/issues/april-marks-12th-straight-month-record-gun-sales/ (http://freebeacon.com/issues/april-marks-12th-straight-month-record-gun-sales/)

I don't see it dropping below 2M in any month, not in a silly season (POTUS) and with zillions of illegals and God knows what pouring across the border before the Trump Wall is erected.

Hey, we'll have an election and then an erection!   ::whoohoo::
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on June 06, 2016, 12:19:20 PM

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf)


1,870,000  for May.  My, that is a nice round number. The sort someone might just make up if they were making up numbers.  Up from  1,580,980 last year, highest may ever,  and the 16th highest month ever.  11.6 million so far for the year.

But nothing is going on.  All is well.
Keep watching the Kardasian butt.

Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on June 07, 2016, 06:59:33 AM
There are a million other things I can think of doing than paying any attention to that butt or any butt like that butt!

It's the culture that gave us that butt that gave us the even bigger bi-sexual gaytarded muzzie pimp foreign POS that has been skanking up the White House for 7 years!

It's the same culture causing millions of intelligent humans to swell these statistics.

 ;)
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on June 07, 2016, 09:41:51 AM


It's the culture that gave us that butt that gave us the even bigger bi-sexual gaytarded muzzie pimp foreign POS that has been skanking up the White House for 7 years!

And the number one movie in the country was called...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE5aKNAcU2I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE5aKNAcU2I)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpOtVakFa9c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpOtVakFa9c)
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on June 07, 2016, 11:15:10 AM
That's about it...   ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on July 05, 2016, 10:47:21 AM
And thanks  to the Gays coming to realization that  the Liberals support of sexual diversity ends  as soon as Islam demands they be killed, and they better protect themselves,   June comes in at 2,131,485, up from 1,529,057  and the 12th highest month ever.  Yes. In June - which typically  is a sales lull.

13,829,491 for the year - and Nov, Dec tend to be huge.  Betting on breaching 30 Million this year. Good Job Obama. I love it when you recruit new freedom lovers form your own ranks.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf)



Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Glock32 on July 05, 2016, 11:13:09 AM
Doesn't look like any of those millions of guns will ever be used, though.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on July 05, 2016, 02:31:00 PM
That would be a shame...
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on August 01, 2016, 07:54:00 PM
https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view (https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view)

2,197,169 for July. 16,026,660 for the year so far. 148, 774,205 since Obama was elected.
Come and get them.


Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: fordguy_85 on August 02, 2016, 01:33:32 AM
I'm with you, Weisshaupt. I figure we'll break over 30m this year, especially should Killary wrangle her way into the whitehouse.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on August 02, 2016, 06:40:10 AM
It takes a Tyrant...to build a righteous rebellion.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: benb61 on August 03, 2016, 12:35:13 PM
Well, I just contributed to Augusts numbers.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on August 03, 2016, 12:39:56 PM
Well, I just contributed to Augusts numbers.

Oh, do tell!  You can't just tease us like that and skitter off!   ::pokeineye::
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: benb61 on August 03, 2016, 01:42:44 PM
ATI 1911A1 in .22 lr
Springfield XD Essential (fullsize) in .40 S&W

Don't get them for a little while (stupid waiting periods).  I hope I don't have another boating accident after I get them.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Pandora on August 03, 2016, 01:45:20 PM
Yeah, don't be so clumsy.   ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: John Florida on August 03, 2016, 08:38:56 PM
  Dump the damned boat those things are a menace to guns.   Poor little things can't swim worth a damn.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on August 04, 2016, 07:23:05 AM
Do they make little lifevests for the wee lads?  Ahh, it'll be OK.

Oh, and Congrats! Expect range reports soon.   
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on October 03, 2016, 10:50:42 PM
https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view (https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view)

1,992,219 in September  up 200,000 over last year,  19,872,694 for the year.  If the last months match last year we top at 27.4 Million checks this year, and if Hillary wins you can bet it will be a hell of a lot higher than that.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on October 04, 2016, 06:51:46 AM
In the NRA Salesman of the Year (8 years running!) Era aka the Obama Era...November and December have always come in strong.  Nothing says Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas like a new bangstick!
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Glock32 on October 04, 2016, 11:07:45 AM
I'm starting to wonder what's the point?  Doesn't look like they'll ever get used.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on October 04, 2016, 11:23:34 AM
I'm starting to wonder what's the point?  Doesn't look like they'll ever get used.

Why do you say that? The only reason they haven't been used is because no one has tried to take them -- yet.. and at some point they will try to take them.
And even if they don't , the fall of the government and lack of police protection incident to the dollar collapse and economic depression to follow will ensure they get used.


Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on October 04, 2016, 11:39:27 AM
Right now DIAPOB suits my mood just fine...
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Glock32 on October 04, 2016, 11:51:54 AM
I'm starting to wonder what's the point?  Doesn't look like they'll ever get used.

Why do you say that? The only reason they haven't been used is because no one has tried to take them -- yet.. and at some point they will try to take them.
And even if they don't , the fall of the government and lack of police protection incident to the dollar collapse and economic depression to follow will ensure they get used.



They'll try to take them, but it's not going to be teams of SWAT busting down doors of everyone on a list.  They will give a generous amnesty period to turn them in, maybe even offering decent money, and those who fail to comply will be dealt with by indirect means -- a lien on your property, taking your tax refunds, etc.  Make it arduous to participate in the official economy.  They might snatch you if they have reason to detain you for some other pretense, a traffic stop for example.  They'll avoid the spectacle of house to house raiding parties.  After a while the violators will have no moral support either, "Well man, it's the law and if you want to change it we have a process for that.  It's your own fault if you didn't take them up on the buyback when you had the chance."  You can already see this among gun owners in places like California.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on October 04, 2016, 11:54:33 AM
I'm starting to wonder what's the point?  Doesn't look like they'll ever get used.

Why do you say that? The only reason they haven't been used is because no one has tried to take them -- yet.. and at some point they will try to take them.
And even if they don't , the fall of the government and lack of police protection incident to the dollar collapse and economic depression to follow will ensure they get used.



They'll try to take them, but it's not going to be teams of SWAT busting down doors of everyone on a list.  They will give a generous amnesty period to turn them in, maybe even offering decent money, and those who fail to comply will be dealt with by indirect means -- a lien on your property, taking your tax refunds, etc.  Make it arduous to participate in the official economy.  They might snatch you if they have reason to detain you for some other pretense, a traffic stop for example.  They'll avoid the spectacle of house to house raiding parties.  After a while the violators will have no moral support either, "Well man, it's the law and if you want to change it we have a process for that.  It's your own fault if you didn't take them up on the buyback when you had the chance."  You can already see this among gun owners in places like California.

When tyrants make law-abiding citizens criminals...embrace the outlaw nature in all it's glory.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on November 01, 2016, 12:52:17 PM
Can't wait to see how banging October comes in!

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/election-drives-gun-buying-surge-beretta-election-sale-on-magazines/article/2606156 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/election-drives-gun-buying-surge-beretta-election-sale-on-magazines/article/2606156)

November could be a hoot too.

Oh, and I need to chuck a couple more into the lake to become an official Obama "super owner"...
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 01, 2016, 01:09:22 PM
After a while the violators will have no moral support either, "Well man, it's the law and if you want to change it we have a process for that.  It's your own fault if you didn't take them up on the buyback when you had the chance."  You can already see this among gun owners in places like California.

I don't think so. Even in Blue Connecticut and New York  people are refusing  to comply- and the Libtards have been too chicken to press it - one way or the other. Sure they can make up other infractions etc, but they are going to do that anyway, and you will be targeted because you are conservative, not because you own a gun.

If what you suggest becomes widespread, it would only be  a matter of time before conservatives simply shoot any cop who is on their property for any reason. After all,  are you willing to spend  years in jail on some made up bs charge, or are you going to do it for killing a thug with a badge?? Maybe two or three. Because they came to YOUR house and intended to do harm to you and your family?  It wouldn't take many cases before the real police refuse to help enforce stupid laws and false charges based on political affiliation , and the thug police decide its not worth the money. 
 
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Glock32 on November 01, 2016, 07:29:05 PM
After a while the violators will have no moral support either, "Well man, it's the law and if you want to change it we have a process for that.  It's your own fault if you didn't take them up on the buyback when you had the chance."  You can already see this among gun owners in places like California.

I don't think so. Even in Blue Connecticut and New York  people are refusing  to comply- and the Libtards have been too chicken to press it - one way or the other. Sure they can make up other infractions etc, but they are going to do that anyway, and you will be targeted because you are conservative, not because you own a gun.

If what you suggest becomes widespread, it would only be  a matter of time before conservatives simply shoot any cop who is on their property for any reason. After all,  are you willing to spend  years in jail on some made up bs charge, or are you going to do it for killing a thug with a badge?? Maybe two or three. Because they came to YOUR house and intended to do harm to you and your family?  It wouldn't take many cases before the real police refuse to help enforce stupid laws and false charges based on political affiliation , and the thug police decide its not worth the money. 
 


Hopefully you are right.  That was one of my pessimistic days.  I am so often disappointed in other Americans.  I do also fear the possibility of having to live up to our promises, of bleeding out in our driveways.  I sometimes wonder what goes through the minds of people who commit acts of self-sacrifice -- do they step outside of themselves and become observers to their own actions?

I think yes. The few times I've been in physical altercations that is what happened to me -- a sense of stepping outside, time becoming imperceptible, then looking at my bloody knuckles.  It's not something I enjoyed even when I got the better of the deal, and I hate them for pushing pushing pushing us into that corner. I don't think most of them have the slightest idea of what personal violence is like.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 01, 2016, 07:45:03 PM
  I am so often disappointed in other Americans.  I do also fear the possibility of having to live up to our promises, of bleeding out in our driveways.  I sometimes wonder what goes through the minds of people who commit acts of self-sacrifice -- do they step outside of themselves and become observers to their own actions?

I think yes. The few times I've been in physical altercations that is what happened to me -- a sense of stepping outside, time becoming imperceptible, then looking at my bloody knuckles.  It's not something I enjoyed even when I got the better of the deal, and I hate them for pushing pushing pushing us into that corner. I don't think most of them have the slightest idea of what personal violence is like.

I don't know. Maybe when push comes to shove I will chicken out. But I don't think so. I have thought long and hard about this, so when the time comes I think I will recognize it, and I am sure it is the right thing to do. Will I see it from the outside?  Maybe. I have run it over and over so many times in my head, that I think it will largely just be "do it as we practiced it" - no emotion, just the cold resignation that the hour to do it has arrived.

I don't think of it as self sacrifice.  I think of it only as  doing what is necessary given the corner they are backing us into. I simply think- do I want my children subjected to this? And someday Grandchildren? If I fail to step up and do my DUTY  to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security, how can I face myself in the mirror? Is that a world I even want to be alive to see day after day? If no one resists it will continue, so I MUST resist - even if I am the only one who does.  I hope I  am not the only one , but even if I knew my act would be solitary and largely pointless, I would still do it. I would rather commit suicide by cop than knuckle under o these fascists.  If I take just one with me I will have done my duty.

Just remember that only 3%  fought in the revolutionary war.. only 3 in every hundred people you know could even be expected to resist, and if each takes just one,  they won't be able to keep up with the attrition.  I am betting they will just keep kicking the can though. Make an example of someone here or there ( and if it is me then people will be killed) but I don't see them trying to play Nazis and Jews with us while we are armed, and I don't see them effectively disarming us.  The worst they can do is force us to buy ammo on the black market, and the dare not interfere with that either.

I suspect they will just keep kicking the can till the dollar is lost, and their power evaporates.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Glock32 on November 01, 2016, 09:44:15 PM
I am betting they will just keep kicking the can though. Make an example of someone here or there ( and if it is me then people will be killed) but I don't see them trying to play Nazis and Jews with us while we are armed, and I don't see them effectively disarming us.  The worst they can do is force us to buy ammo on the black market, and the dare not interfere with that either.

I suspect they will just keep kicking the can till the dollar is lost, and their power evaporates.



Indefinitely kicking the can, in some ways, troubles me more than outright confrontation with them.  We have to be able to transmit both the mindset of independence as well as its necessary implements (arms) to future generations. If they force us into a situation where we never dare let our arms see daylight, they will win when we age out.

I suspect you are right though that they won't be able to kick the can indefinitely. And if they do manage to kick it for a long time, our side will have to pick a fight in my opinion. Their design is tyranny. If they don't fully unveil it on us, they're going to on our descendants.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUC0LCi1VRk#)
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Predator Don on November 01, 2016, 11:07:27 PM
I know most of the police in my area. They are in my business daily. My brother is a detective. I've asked several, if ordered, would they go to a home for the sole purpose to disarm or collect weapons. I can't find too many willing to do it. Maybe my area is the exception, I don't know....But my gut tells me most officers won't go there.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on November 02, 2016, 07:10:42 AM
After a while the violators will have no moral support either, "Well man, it's the law and if you want to change it we have a process for that.  It's your own fault if you didn't take them up on the buyback when you had the chance."  You can already see this among gun owners in places like California.

I don't think so. Even in Blue Connecticut and New York  people are refusing  to comply- and the Libtards have been too chicken to press it - one way or the other. Sure they can make up other infractions etc, but they are going to do that anyway, and you will be targeted because you are conservative, not because you own a gun.

If what you suggest becomes widespread, it would only be  a matter of time before conservatives simply shoot any cop who is on their property for any reason. After all,  are you willing to spend  years in jail on some made up bs charge, or are you going to do it for killing a thug with a badge?? Maybe two or three. Because they came to YOUR house and intended to do harm to you and your family?  It wouldn't take many cases before the real police refuse to help enforce stupid laws and false charges based on political affiliation , and the thug police decide its not worth the money.

For the time being I think this is part of their strategy...by not enforcing it they will make the assertion that it is "there only to be acted upon when needed", the so-called "emergency" left to their own definition of course, despite the language used at creation...they will then spin it as harmless when it is brought forward in other jurisdictions...then when it is widespread the confiscation can begin...and Order 66.

I'd like to think rural LEO's and most sheriff's and troopers are like don's friend's...but I am counting on most of them being more concerned about protecting their own families than executing the orders of statists...so what's left behind to do the dirty work of tyranny I won't lose any sleep over when they come calling and I answer.  I'm kinda like G in that I hate them for pushing me into a corner...but any reluctance to do what must be done is rapidly evaporating with each idiot I see who at present is willing and comfortable in executing the will of the tyrants now.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 02, 2016, 07:18:15 AM
Indefinitely kicking the can, in some ways, troubles me more than outright confrontation with them.  We have to be able to transmit both the mindset of independence as well as its necessary implements (arms) to future generations. If they force us into a situation where we never dare let our arms see daylight, they will win when we age out.

I understand the danger.. eventually we might see a culture of bribery set in - like they have in Mexico.. where the cop comes up to you and says "Hey, give me $1000  and this BS charge will go away..."  and rather than go down dying in their driveway they just pay the money.  It just depends on how many police will offer that route and how many patriots will take them up on it.

But we won't have to pick the fight. It won't necessarily be guns.  If that cake thing happened to me I would be figuring out a way to punish that judge, attorneys and any officers who had helped bring the charge. You ruined  my life and business over a cake?  Fine.

Then I have no choice but to send a very clear message that some people aren't going to stand for it and you will pay for it personally... even if the only way to get to you is through your family members.  It wouldn't be my first choice, and for a while that was off the table, but I got over it. This is war.
 
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 02, 2016, 08:52:11 AM
For the time being I think this is part of their strategy...by not enforcing it they will make the assertion that it is "there only to be acted upon when needed", the so-called "emergency" left to their own definition of course, despite the language used at creation...they will then spin it as harmless when it is brought forward in other jurisdictions...then when it is widespread the confiscation can begin...and Order 66.

That may be what they hope to accomplish, and if they had the next 30-50 years of relative prosperity and peace to continue corroding our culture that might work, and these unenforceable laws may become accepted as the "new normal" -- but they are unenforceable now because people are refusing to accept them as normal.  Even an attempt to make an example of someone under these lays will probably be met with an insurrection- Battle of Athens Style. Only tins time the you free the accused man, and probably kill any LE or offical that attempts to stop you.

These laws will never be accepted as "normal" or legitimate by patriots. And if I am  the last patriot, so be it.
 
But Hey its pointless, the government will putdown any rebellion. Two dickweeds in academia said so.
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-military-armed-rebellion-2016-8 (http://www.businessinsider.com/us-military-armed-rebellion-2016-8)

Oh wait, the patriot movement isn't going to take over a city or set up roadblocks. They are going to destroy bridges,  rail lines, water lines, sewers and power stations. They will sabotage trunks bringing supplies - bad fuel, destroy parts. They will simply lay siege to the cities. They won't try to control them. How does you wargaming scenario work out then morons?

The article doesn't even cover defections or a refusal to fight on the part of the military ( but do for the National Guard) And Yeah, they will "secure" water and power stations?  - you going to secure the thousands of miles of pipes and wires to and from them as well?

And of course the comments ( now closed)  are a hoot. There is always one....

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Dpaul on Aug 13, 1:43 AM said:
@Sterling: These are our elected representatives. If you right-wing fanatics think the rest of us are going to simply stand aside while you threaten our democracy then you are sadly mistaken. To heck with the army. There's more than enough 'real' patriots to deal with insurrectionists.

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Tarheel Realist on Aug 12, 10:09 PM said:
@gerko: You're pretty sure of yourself about those "few loons out there..."; you'd be surprised how many of us, "loons" as you put, who are weening ourselves off societal reliance.

As a retired Marine, I can say w/the utmost certainty that if a President ever gave orders for the .mil to conduct combats ops against US Citizens, there would be a mass desertions in every branch of the .mil.

So keep that smug attitude of yours...you fit right in w/all the other Tools at Starbucks.

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Dr Anderson on Aug 12, 9:54 PM said:
That's a nice and tidy example you created there. If only all the US Constitution supporting members of the population lived in one town and were unemployed. Instead they live everywhere. They work at power plants and oil refineries. They work for the railroad and law enforcement. They work in the Army and Marines. They pretty much work everywhere. A rifle behind every blade of grass. Not just self-rounded up in a cute little town.

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christopher baker on Aug 12, 9:59 PM said:
I'm a United States Army veteran, first as a thought exercise, this article is just false as hell, it assumes significant differences in military doctrine than what actually exists.

First, the military is NOT trained to handle a armed insurrection, nor police a state, this is why the OIF and OEF lasted for a DECADE after defeating the conventional troops within each nation in only a matter of days, and even after such long standing conflict.Next you have to include collateral damage and the ill affects it would have, we already feel the aftershocks of collateral damage in conflicts half the word away against persons that are not relatable to, what happens when the collateral damage happens to have family the next county over? and they have friends spread all though out the states? what happens when a military strike to "dismantle a checkpoint" results in those people at the checkpoint, along with AMERICAN civilians dead as collateral damage...and such incident is recorded LIVE, and broadcaster over social media?

the biggest weakness of this whole article is that it fails to recognize the potential power of a networked populace that we have no a days, and the ARMED suppression of a armed rebellion by a government force just ISN'T possible anymore, because for every rebel you put down, two more will rise, which is EXACTLY what we saw with Al-Qaeda and ISIS.

And before you start jumping the horse, i do not support a armed rebellion, but i see it as a possibility, one of many, and armed suppression of such a event simply will not work, the ONLY way to suppress it would be PEACEFUL resolution, or you end up with Kent state but on a larger scale.

and in answer to the ALWAYS {PRESENT what are you going to do against an Abrams tank moron..

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DocBandaid on Aug 12, 11:43 PM said:
Having been inside a Abram as it was taken out by a EFP from some nut jobs w/ AK's its possible.

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Mikail, first I would say that these delusional nut jobs probably understand their history and why the 2nd Amendment exist. 2nd you mention Guerilla warfare, is it possible for large numbers of these second amendment people to do this? Understand that warfare in the middle east has a way of inflicting heavy casualties on US forces and that is guerilla and unconventional warfare. Don't you think a majority of these nut jobs, as you say, are perhaps former military? Because I have over 30 years in the Army. Its not like one or two people would execute a rebellion. Multiple, small units executing unconventional warfare could wreak serious issues for the military. Also if the country was bad enough for people to do this then the actions of one group doing this would embolden others to follow. Lastly, I wouldn't attack a M1A2 with just a rifle.
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Hoppy Hopkins on Aug 13, 12:09 AM said:
@CB69: Thank you for your service, methinks I hear an "Oath Keeper" talking
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ronl11 on Aug 17, 9:59 PM said:
@CB69: Neither would I, just attack the fuel truck, those things gets gallons to the mile. and their range isnt all that far. If someone has to take a crap and gets out, you shoot him then, minus one crew member, slow and steady gets er done.

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rgray317 on Aug 13, 12:12 AM said:
If the military were to turn on the American people? Yeah they would eventually get me. But I'm dying without taking out as many of them as I can. No guts, no glory. f**k'em! Bring it on!!!

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Sean Alexander on Aug 13, 12:31 AM said:
Look at what Lech Walesa did in Poland with labor strikes.
Considering all those "in the wagon" with more being imported, as in those who do not add to the treasury, but remove, the same will happen here without any need for armaments.
So the whole article is moot. The country will most likely fail a la Cloward-Piven. There are not and will not be, by design, enough people pulling the wagon.
And if it were all that simple, Iraq and Afghanistan would have been over in about a month.

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andy_txn on Aug 13, 12:41 AM said:
You are seeming to forget that if a few thousand crazies try a armed rebellion, tens of millions of gun owners would join law enforcement & the military to crush the rebellion. Vast majority of gun owners are NOT the 2nd amendment crazies.
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You're next on Aug 13, 1:20 AM said:
@andy_txn: Keep thinking that....
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Robert Txsoldier on Aug 13, 1:57 AM said:
@You're next: right..the cops are going to join those who want a lawless society of nigglets.......sorry idiot we are not going down the banana republic rabbit hole you democrats want..you Marxist mfers will just have to fight us for it..a civil war is less than 24 months away.

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davillus hynzerelli on Aug 13, 2:30 AM said:
the commie far left should be exterminated.
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Chessmaster on Aug 13, 3:35 AM said:
@davillus hynzerelli: And there it is... the real wet dream of right-wing extremists... to accomplish by murderous force what they can't do at the ballot box. Our own holocaust twenty times worse, because then you'd start killing off others different from you. What a bunch of sick minds; American nazis calling themselves patriots.

Different from us? Yes. They are different in that they believe we are property of the State. Isn't it amazing how Libtards never consider how their actions affect others? Because, you  know,  the ballot box in a corrupt system allows you to morally and legitimately subjugate others and enslave them.  Just ask the Black Slaves kept in the South.
and he doubles down..

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Chessmaster on Aug 13, 3:18 AM said:
The only thing weirder than an article like this showing up on a business website, is that there are so many extremist wannabe rebels flocking here to post. To be sure, there are a lot of things wrong/unfair with this story/scenario, but its scary how many redneck bigots are salivating at the thought of trashing our great demographic nation so they can outdo the holocaust by slaughtering political opponents. You are NOT the majority; if you were then you'd win national elections. Even most right-wingers would oppose you, because they're true patriots who will stand up FOR America to put you nuts down. Not to mention, if any actual revolt were widespread, our enemies in the world would strike while we were divided. Then you'd really get to see what real oppression is... not the petty political bickering we have here. Either way, America would be destroyed. You can't "save" it by taking arms against it, and those who think they can are flat-out traitors, not patriots. The majority rules here, by the ballot box... not by extremist thugs with guns.

Wonder what he has to say now.. a few months later about that ballot box thing?

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Jake Holman on Aug 13, 4:13 AM said:
If they ever had to face a real army, three-quarters of the members of these loudmouth beer-belly "militias" would pee their pants, drop their guns, and run as fast as their chubby legs would carry them. It might take a few hours to mop up the rest.
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para59r on Aug 13, 4:37 AM said:
@Jake Holman: But you don't have to use guns.. you use bulldozers or any other blocking method.,. you strip out road and rail around any major city... you can't stop that. to much land to cover. You bring the city to its knees as to what they need. What military there is will have to go there for obvious reasons. Your a fool if you think your going to stop that. Meanwhile the big wigs wanting there wallet filled will do all the ousting you need behind the scenes to get things back to normal.

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Jake Holman on Aug 13, 4:25 AM said:
The central question for the future of this country is whether we can get to the point where whites are a minority (about 2040), without a bunch of angry white men deciding that they would rather see it destroyed first.
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Ragnar Danneskjold on Aug 13, 4:33 AM said:
@Jake Holman: That's been the goal of the Democrat party since 1965. They're doing a good job. Tell me . . . why do you hate white people, "Jake?" You racist.
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j mei on Aug 13, 7:33 AM said:
@Jake Holman: The white issue never was an issue until this current racist divided the country along those lines. Shameful man and I hope history reflects his hatred and incompetence.
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Ragnar Danneskjold on Aug 13, 4:30 AM said:
First of all, where is this fear of a right wing uprising coming from? If you look across the past 8 years, you've seen cities defaced and burned . . . all at the hands of democrat constituents. But, I'll bight. If and when the producers in this country decide the tyranny of Obama, Hillary and their ilk have finally crossed the line, it will not be a second American revolution, but something more akin to the French revolution. That's why leftists are so afraid. That's why they do their best to defang and enfeeble society whenever they have the reins of power. In such an instance, the military will not side with the government. Especially not the government as it is presently comprised. I am a former Marine Officer. The military leadership would overwhelmingly be on the side of the people, and not the leftist leadership. "Red diaper doper babies" don't join the military. Obama has done his best to purge the generals who are capable and patriotic and replace them with leftist lick-spittles. They would be the first casualties of any conflict. The elitists know this. That is why they fear us. And they should . . . otherwise what is the 2nd amendment for?

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Kevin Bjornson on Aug 13, 4:40 AM said:
No rebellion of this type would draw the kind of popular support stipulated here, nor is this the type of revolution we might encounter (nobody except the author of this article would be that stupid).

Seizing the reins of the present government would be pointless, as the present government is the problem, and replicating it with a different name would conflict with the political goal.

To be successful, all the rebels need do, is paralyze what they protest. Prevent the execution of the type of government action the rebels want to stop.

They need not govern by controlling territory, but could prevent others from controlling.

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warhorse on Aug 13, 5:17 AM said:
why the heck would they "take over" anything? 4th generation warfare...you don't hold ground. you don't go toe-to-toe with any military or police unit. but the leadership, up to and but not including the very top, is fair game. you make the leaders feel every decision personally, and remind them that they can make this stop at any time. until they do, their friends and advisors will die.

benjamin franklin employed these tactics when he had shot at long range both of the successive generals who were to take command of the rebellious american colonies mere minutes after they were given the task by king george..on english soil. he also had sabotaged the london docks and started a fire that burned half of the city down.

fighting american rebels would be like fighting smoke on a misty morning. even if you could find us...you would have few ways to touch us without angering the population as a whole. but we have long-range rifles, and we pick the time and place to use them.

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ricsut on Aug 13, 6:25 AM said:
I read emails from the Tea Party Org. that they have called for a Third American Revolution,armed if need be. They had said it more than once, so, with the trump the darling of the Tea Party, it did not surprise me in the least when he made his comment about the Second amendment people to take action. Many of them feel that the second amendment give them the right to have an armed revolt to preserve our government.

Here is the sad part, they want their type of government and the hell with everyone else. The way they see it, they are the only one that counts when it comes to governing. We can see that with those that are in Congress right now, NO COMPROMISING AT ALL.

Yes, its so unfair that those tea party types think you can't  compromise their rights and liberty.

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Randy DeAx on Aug 13, 7:39 AM said:
GERKO : Beg your pardon sir but you are out of touch with reality .Our military of today is a mere shell and is stretched to it's limit at present . A militia commander with smarts will do the following : Have the truck drivers stay at home . Stop rail traffic . Our entire military cannot supply the truck drivers necessary . There really is no need for an "ARMED INSURGENCY " . Next thing i'm gonna do is cut your electrical service to major cities ( our electrical grid is faulty now ) with one or two little pushes here & there. I will let you sit & figure out the ramifications of that action . If you can get fuel you can't pump it .The thugs will have Wal-Mart stripped in two days .Cops and military sally forth and then the militia moves in BEHIND them ,not in front . No drinking water . No sewage . No trash removal .The folks trapped in the cities will want out and there is what the feds will have to focus on , not 5 -10 member militia groups. If i am a Commander i am gonna take your cell phone service down . The "academics" spending our money on these "studies" are worthless . They , like our pols and media , are out of touch with America. Learned ? Not hardly . Educated and indoctrinated ? Yes .

and thenthere is is little meltdown

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chad55555 on Aug 13, 8:49 AM said:
This should not even be considered ! It means the America people are so divided that they fear each other ! The plan of the new hope and change in America seems to be working ! To even bring a scenario like this into question means someone is pushing for the fall of America ! This talk is worse then out right treason ! Everybody except the trouble maker know Trump was saying the 2ed amendment is protected by the process of election ! SOMEONE IS TRYING TO DESTROY AMERICA WITH TALK LIKE THIS ! ENEMIES FROM WITHIN IN HIGH PLACES ! YES ! IT COULD HAPPEN BY A SOURCE THAT WANTS TO SEE AMERICA DESTROYED USING DIVERSITY AS THE WEAPON ! AMERICAN"S MUST NOT ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN FOR OUR CHILDREN"S SAKE ! GET THE TROUBLE MAKERS OUT BY VOTING THEM OUT ! VIOLENCE WILL JUST MAKE US LIKE THE MIDDLE EAST STATE AND CITY AT WAR
WITH STATE AND CITY ! STOP THIS TYPE OF TALK,IT"S BAD FOR EVERYONE AND SCARES THE HELL OUT OF MOST PEOPLE ! GET ALONG WILL YOU PLEASE !

Point being - there are a lot of people who are preparing - mentally -  for this fight to come.  The leftist responses are telling. Ranging from "You will get your asses kicked by other people - not me",  to "I am a coward,and I would run in that situation so I am sure you will too", to the solid belief that they "make up a majority" and therefore can break the rules and  trample the rights of others, and aren't you such a "deplorable person for not submitting"  You will note that no where do they EVER address the arguments made. All they have is denial, umbrage and, as a last resort, a half hearted attempt at moral superiority when they realize that yes,  we really are going to kill every last frigging one of them if it comes to it.

They are pathetic.  And the first large scale uprising, they will all be in that last "But we are the majority, you have to do what we say" mode, right before they are taken out.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Glock32 on November 02, 2016, 11:00:38 AM
From Weisshaupt's linked article:


(http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/5627f0a7bd86ef18008c3afc-1016/us%20army%20reserve.jpg)


If they were wanting to remind us of the insurmountable power of the State, that pic is a total fail.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Pandora on November 02, 2016, 11:16:25 AM
From the comments Weisshaupt posted, I see the ones screeching about 'you traitors want to take the country down' have made the Leftist error of considering the government and the country as one and the same.  They aren't.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on November 02, 2016, 11:42:10 AM
If these leftist tools had any sense at all they would 1) STFU and not call attention to themselves 2) listen to what former military people are saying and fully understand what they are saying and 3) not piss us off.

Of course they fail on all counts...as Pan notes a country is people and a government was meant only to act in accordance of the will of the people.  What say have we the people had in Obama forcing jihadists into our midst?  None.  What say have we the people had in refusing to enforce our laws and secure our border?  None.  What say have we the people over the dictates of unelected bureaucrats?  None. What say have we the people had in a dead-of-night corrupt bargain deemed law by robed idiots under political pressure from the Executive?  None.  What say do we the people have in getting Congress to take its oath seriously and stop Executive lawlessness?  None.  Nobody in government is answering us, none in government is taking us seriously, nobody in government cares about anything but staying in government, period.  This is tyranny.  This is what the Founders fought against.  This is what leftists want others to accept as fact.  Like the Founders if the tyrants leave no other option and refuse to return to basic principles and honor the rights bestowed unto us by God...then like the Founders we will fight and we will kill...and tyranny will lose.

Let's see who shows up for the party.   ;)
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Glock32 on November 02, 2016, 12:24:55 PM
And let us also remind them, they're the ones who blew up the Federalist system we were supposed to have.  They're the ones who insisted on transferring power from the states to Washington, DC.  They're the ones who insisted on a top down one size fits all policy for 50 states spanning an entire continent and half an ocean.

I probably wouldn't have as much seething enmity for Blue State lefties if they would have confined their lunacy to New England. But no, they insisted on weaponizing the Federal government against people with incorrect ideas and lifestyles -- because they're totalitarians at heart and it's simply their nature.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Pandora on November 02, 2016, 12:55:30 PM
Referencing the NICS check thread title:  Gunsmith switched his FFL licensing to a lesser classification because of the increase to $2K+ "fee" (tax) for permission to "manufacture" (sometimes a small metal part is easier to make than purchase) -- and this is a result of the US government signing on to a UN mandate.

Anyway, because of the license change, he was required to send all the paperwork required by the ATF for each client -- weapon serial number, name, address, driver's license number; the book of 4473 forms -- to the ATF.

If they're not keeping records, as they say, why do they want this information, what are they doing with it, and why not just leave it in the hands of the FFL holder?  Rhetorical.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 02, 2016, 02:32:11 PM
And October.
https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf (https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf)


2,333,539.  Up from 1,976,759 last year.  Total for the year, 22,206,233  just under a million less than the total for all of last year and two months left to go. If Nov and December simply match last year we will be at 27.7 million . I am betting that the real number is approaching 29 Million.

Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Predator Don on November 02, 2016, 02:53:10 PM
I'd say also a good indication on voting....Can't imagine too many are Hillary supporters.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Alphabet Soup on November 02, 2016, 06:07:48 PM
Referencing the NICS check thread title:  Gunsmith switched his FFL licensing to a lesser classification because of the increase to $2K+ "fee" (tax) for permission to "manufacture" (sometimes a small metal part is easier to make than purchase) -- and this is a result of the US government signing on to a UN mandate.

Anyway, because of the license change, he was required to send all the paperwork required by the ATF for each client -- weapon serial number, name, address, driver's license number; the book of 4473 forms -- to the ATF.

If they're not keeping records, as they say, why do they want this information, what are they doing with it, and why not just leave it in the hands of the FFL holder?  Rhetorical.

When 'smiths are outlawed only outlaws will have 'smiths

 ;)
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on November 03, 2016, 06:41:54 AM
At what point so 'smiths just make up the names and addresses to dick with a tyrannical government that says it isn't keeping a registry?

No answer required...just tossing it out there for general consumption...

And yeah, this year let's make that number hit 30M!   ::whoohoo::
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on November 21, 2016, 07:57:58 AM
I thought there would be some of this...

http://www.weaselzippers.us/308744-gun-sales-slow-in-days-after-donald-trump-secures-presidency/ (http://www.weaselzippers.us/308744-gun-sales-slow-in-days-after-donald-trump-secures-presidency/)

Idiots.  Why not follow through?

 ::facepalm::
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 21, 2016, 08:12:20 AM
I thought there would be some of this...

http://www.weaselzippers.us/308744-gun-sales-slow-in-days-after-donald-trump-secures-presidency/ (http://www.weaselzippers.us/308744-gun-sales-slow-in-days-after-donald-trump-secures-presidency/)

Idiots.  Why not follow through?

 ::facepalm::

Yeah, I am sure gun sales won't be as high during a trump Presidency, unless libtards get a clue and start buying them. Besides, until the electoral college votes - and the liberals have unleashed a full harassment campaign against them -  I won't say Trump secured the Presidency.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on November 21, 2016, 01:35:36 PM
I thought there would be some of this...

http://www.weaselzippers.us/308744-gun-sales-slow-in-days-after-donald-trump-secures-presidency/ (http://www.weaselzippers.us/308744-gun-sales-slow-in-days-after-donald-trump-secures-presidency/)

Idiots.  Why not follow through?

 ::facepalm::

Yeah, I am sure gun sales won't be as high during a trump Presidency, unless libtards get a clue and start buying them. Besides, until the electoral college votes - and the liberals have unleashed a full harassment campaign against them -  I won't say Trump secured the Presidency.

If people are this wishy-washy...well, they're just not that serious to start with.  Poor bastards...
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on November 23, 2016, 08:03:26 AM
I see this as a hopeful sign...

http://kplr11.com/2016/11/17/women-propelling-gun-sales-to-all-time-highs/ (http://kplr11.com/2016/11/17/women-propelling-gun-sales-to-all-time-highs/)

...chances are these are primarily good girls, not shake-and-wet-pants-at-sight-of-a-gun types!

 ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 23, 2016, 08:08:03 AM
I see this as a hopeful sign...

http://kplr11.com/2016/11/17/women-propelling-gun-sales-to-all-time-highs/ (http://kplr11.com/2016/11/17/women-propelling-gun-sales-to-all-time-highs/)

...chances are these are primarily good girls, not shake-and-wet-pants-at-sight-of-a-gun types!

 ::thumbsup::

One thing I have noticed -- once a girl fires a gun she finds  she likes it, and then she is unwilling to date any wimps who are afraid of them.
Its  almost as universal as "never date anyone shorter than  you"
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Glock32 on November 23, 2016, 04:35:03 PM
Reminds me of this one:


(http://pics.onsizzle.com/Facebook-8c3b42.png)
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 28, 2016, 03:50:09 PM
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/11/28/after-trump-victory-minorities-flock-to-gun-stores/

Oh good, the NICS number will continue to climb, only now its the other side arming themselves.

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"You feel that racists now feel like they can attack us just because the president is doing it," Earl Curtis, the owner of Blue Ridge Arsenal in Chantilly, Virginia, told NBC News.

    Gun store owners told NBC News that since November 8 they're seeing up to four times as many black and minority customers — and black gun groups are reporting double the normal number of attendees at their meetings since the election.

You mean like how black people felt it was safe to play the "knock out game"  and kill cops when Obama was in charge? Yeah, I get that you might be scared some folks might be looking for a little payback. But that is what it is - payback. Make no mistake who started this war - Obama and his race baiting crap.

I do agree with the author however, tat ultimately, this is good news.  Once they have a gun, and go to a range, and they find out those good ol boys there have no intention of lynching them, that the NRA was founded in part to arm blacks, and that the Dems do want to disarm them , we may be getting a whole lotta recruits to our side. Guns are the best antidote to liberalism that exists.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Alphabet Soup on November 28, 2016, 07:03:40 PM
The way I see it if you're not actively assessing everyone you encounter as a possible armed opponent you're not practicing situational awareness. The fact that more minorities are arming means little.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on November 29, 2016, 06:49:18 AM
Agreed.  At a personal level nothing has changed for me.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 29, 2016, 10:37:13 PM
http://monsterhunternation.com/2016/11/14/a-handy-guide-for-liberals-who-are-suddenly-interested-in-gun-ownership/ (http://monsterhunternation.com/2016/11/14/a-handy-guide-for-liberals-who-are-suddenly-interested-in-gun-ownership/)

Okay I remember reading parts of this somewhere.. maybe it was here,  so I apologize if its a repost. I didn't realize it was written by Larry Correia of "Monster Hunters International" fame when I saw it the first time.



to give you a greater feel for the writing check out
https://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2010/05/17/the-adventures-of-tom-stranger-interdimensional-insurance-agent/ (https://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2010/05/17/the-adventures-of-tom-stranger-interdimensional-insurance-agent/)

and the Christmas Noun Saga
http://monsterhunternation.com/online-fiction/ (http://monsterhunternation.com/online-fiction/)
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 04, 2017, 09:50:35 AM


https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view (https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view)

27,538,673 for the year.  December came in at 2,771,159  far less than last years 3,314,594 and on par with 2012's   2,783,765

It will be interesting to see how many liberals suddenly realize they are scared of their government and decide the 2nd amendment was a good idea. I think once you are forced to take that step it will put them on a road where they have to conclude that giving th government more power isn't always the best idea. I can only hope  Trump drives the point home and uses the IRS, EPA and other agencies as weapons against the democrats for once. I mean wouldn't it be fun to find environmental problems at every one of the sites run  by environmentalists?  Keep Clinton, Soros and Pals busy with an Audit and bank freezes. Petty and vindictive? You bet. Wonder where we would have learned that.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on January 04, 2017, 11:57:26 AM
Do unto Progs...and make it hurt thrice as bad!!!
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Predator Don on January 04, 2017, 12:24:01 PM


https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view (https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view)

27,538,673 for the year.  December came in at 2,771,159  far less than last years 3,314,594 and on par with 2012's   2,783,765

It will be interesting to see how many liberals suddenly realize they are scared of their government and decide the 2nd amendment was a good idea. I think once you are forced to take that step it will put them on a road where they have to conclude that giving th government more power isn't always the best idea. I can only hope  Trump drives the point home and uses the IRS, EPA and other agencies as weapons against the democrats for once. I mean wouldn't it be fun to find environmental problems at every one of the sites run  by environmentalists?  Keep Clinton, Soros and Pals busy with an Audit and bank freezes. Petty and vindictive? You bet. Wonder where we would have learned that.


The only issue with libs buying guns is accidental shootings will increase.....which, in hindsight, may not be too bad.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on January 05, 2017, 06:39:03 AM
And how many will get kicked out of gun ranges too when going for their CCW when they try to shoot banger-style?
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on March 14, 2017, 01:27:05 PM
Gun Sales Crash...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-14/crashing-gun-sales-post-obama-era-causes-mass-layoffs-remington-manufacturing-facili (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-14/crashing-gun-sales-post-obama-era-causes-mass-layoffs-remington-manufacturing-facili)

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user51698/imageroot/2016/06/27/20160627_obamagunsaleshistorical_0.JPG)

See the Crash? No?

The NICS checks data isn't a one for one map of gun sales, but over that same period, what do we see?

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/weisshaupt/NICScecks_zpsurheblau.jpg)

And they are expecting a 10-15% drop?  Sure.  And so far that data bears that out.. but the numbers are still over 3 times the Bush Year baseline and the trend is still upward.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on March 15, 2017, 06:52:54 AM
Red sky in morning, sailor take warning...

OMG, sales are declining!

 ::ohno::

Of course they are...people we're hedging against B Hussein O and the Merry Band of Gun-Grabbing DemoFascists taking their rights away...and it wasn't an unjustified concern.  Like reading any chart, take the spikes out of play and the overall trend is still up.  Duh, it's a math thing...and most manufacturers added more capacity and workers to meet the increasing demand, now the demand is slacking off and to what level we do not yet know...but if the average plant had 200 workers pre-Obama and added 200 more then contracted and let 120 go they are still 80 more than when they started...and idiots bitch?

Lets look at these fricken idiots a minute...

First, they are ungrateful for the net jobs added...one could assume they must have been ecstatic over the 80+ million just arbitrarily purged from the labor force as unnecessary by the Obama Admin as they would otherwise make the already over-cooked U-3 numbers looks significantly worse.

Second, what have these a-holes like Mayor Leonard done to foster a more hospitable Second Amendment environment?  Is he a part of Bloomie's Legion of DemoNazi gun-haters?  Is he actively combating the the Blooming Fascists?  What is he doing in his own state to make the environment of Liberty better?

Third, stock analysts like this Hardiman at Wedbush perpetuate overblown myths and incentivize perverse behavior...sure declining sales in the short term, but to pin this on a "Republican" in the White House is a gross overreaction that hides the more import issue of "who caused the big runnup to begin with and why?" (and i would throw in a snarky "stupid fothermucker" at the end of that just because...well, because!).  And, spreading the excrement that the threat is gone is a whale of a lie!  The Blooming Nazis are still out there, the DemoFascist pols are still out there, the Goebbels media is still out there, the proglodyte special interests are still out there and that terrorist bagman Soros is still out there giving millions to all of them!  Think they quit or are just quietly bidding their time?  This stupid SOB Hardiman does, but he's a fricken stock monkey, he just cares about short term impact, period.  Check back in year or two, see what this ape says...could be 180 degrees different.

Fourth, echoing the above theme...like I said in the Interesting Manufacturing Statistics thread - Now things are slacking off, which may be good for buying opportunities for weapons and ammo...I do not agree that a slacking off is wise...people shouldn't be feeling secure now...we a re still a heartbeat away from God-knows-what... (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=15123.0)

Stuff can change fast, the threats are nowhere near gone, keep your powder dry and well stocked!   ;)
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on July 06, 2017, 04:56:42 PM
June number is out.. https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view (https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view)

Down about 200K from last year.. but since last year was an all time high and the Socialist Traitor is no longer in charge, are we surprised? Its still almost 2 Million.  IN the Bush years that number was 500,000

Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on July 07, 2017, 06:51:18 AM
Yeah, it's a pace thing...the clear and omnipresent danger with Hussein may have passed...underlying dysfunction of the republic in name only and its police state powers are still in place and can be applied by any future tyrant...the pace of acquisition has merely slowed a bit, it hasn't collapsed...

TBC
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 20, 2017, 04:36:12 PM
And how is that gun sales drop going?

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view (https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view)

Well, they were down pretty hard in July. And beat last August, and still topped 20 Million so far this year.
If Nov and December just track last years numbers - or even fall short by 500,000  each month, 2016 will be the ONLY year that total NICs checks were Higher than the first year of Trump's presidency.

Now maybe libtards are finally arming up. But you know they won't learn ow to use them.. but I suspect that the real reason there is not a significant drop is because no one feels like Trump was or is the solution, and they continue to prepare for the inevitable.

Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on November 21, 2017, 06:49:48 AM
I think more of the latter...even a child's drawing of a gun makes libiots shiver and wet themselves in fear...and we are going into the holiday shopping season and nothing says "I love you/I love myself" quite like a new hand-cannon or bang-stick!

 ::bustamove::

Ho, Ho, Ho!
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 25, 2017, 04:40:01 PM
And another record Black Friday
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/11/25/black-friday-posts-new-single-day-record-gun-checks-more-than-200-000/894706001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/11/25/black-friday-posts-new-single-day-record-gun-checks-more-than-200-000/894706001/)
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: John Florida on November 25, 2017, 05:18:48 PM
  Holy crap that's  a number and a half.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on November 26, 2017, 11:21:35 AM
Between normal Black Fridays sales at your favorite local vendor (I like Cabela's and Fleet Farm and have twice purchased subsequently lost in a boating accident items on Black Friday) and the rabid fascist rantings of gun-grabbing-goons...I am not the least surprised by the number.   If I would be surprised it would be to the other end...like, is that all?!
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on April 04, 2018, 07:54:11 AM
I think March set a new March record, thanks to Democrats shooting people up and calling for confiscation and demonizing owners.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on April 04, 2018, 12:17:51 PM
Yep,

Highest March on record, by over 200,000

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view (https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view)
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on April 04, 2018, 02:52:10 PM
Way to go, Adolph Hogg &Co!

 ;D
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 04, 2018, 04:12:55 PM
Wow, am I the only one who didn't buy a new gun last month?!
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on April 04, 2018, 04:45:08 PM
Wow, am I the only one who didn't buy a new gun last month?!
Um, yes, didn't you get the memo?
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: hemm on April 04, 2018, 05:49:12 PM
Wow, am I the only one who didn't buy a new gun last month?!


That's ok Soup, you can make up for it by buying two THIS month.....  ::danceban:: ::danceban::
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Pandora on April 04, 2018, 06:15:55 PM
Wow, am I the only one who didn't buy a new gun last month?!


That's ok Soup, you can make up for it by buying two THIS month.....  ::danceban:: ::danceban::

Yeah, silver lining. ::bustamove::
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 07, 2018, 05:07:11 PM
(https://maddmedic.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/unnamed.jpg?w=474&h=237)

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view (https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view)

9.3 million for the year  already vs.. 8.7 Million for last year at this time.

April - 2,223,213

 - next highest April -

2,145,865 -- April 2016


Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on May 07, 2018, 10:24:51 PM
All grabbers do is ensure more arms flood into citizen hands.  They cannot hide their intent if they wanted to, can't stop the signal, Mal!
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Weisshaupt on July 02, 2018, 03:40:04 PM
The decline in guns sales continues :

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view (https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view)

Highest May on record with over 2 million and second highest June ( First was 2016 - beating this June by about 200,000)

13.2 Million for the year.
Title: Re: NICS Checks update
Post by: Libertas on July 06, 2018, 12:24:07 PM
Still on a higher plateau?  Check.