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Title: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 29, 2011, 08:15:07 AM
Texas is on fire, with over 2,000,000 acres of land and almost 1000 structures burned. TWO WEEKS ago, Governor Rick Perry asked for a declaration of disaster from the President. Obama has not refused the request. He has ignored it.

I posit that perhaps it's time for states to figure out ways to operate with a self-sufficiency independent of the federal government. Not that Rick Perry has done anything wrong - he's just following the procedure under such circumstances. But states running to the federal government is like an adult still suckling at the breast of his mommie. Maybe states need to cut the federal government off, and, God forbid, declare independence.

HT: gatewaypundit...

Governor Perry Slams Obama For Ignoring Requests For Federal Disaster Relief (http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/04/governor-perry-slams-obama-for-ignoring-requests-for-federal-disaster-relief-video/)

[blockquote]Texas Governor Rick Perry criticized the Obama administration on Thursday for not responding to a request for a disaster aid for the parched state, where wildfires have scorched nearly 2 million acres.

“You have to ask, ‘Why are you taking care of Alabama and other states?’ I know our letter didn’t get lost in the mail,” Perry, a Republican and frequent critic of the federal government, said after addressing a Texas emergency management conference.

President Barack Obama declared a state of emergency for Alabama, where storms — including a tornado that ravaged Tuscaloosa on Wednesday — killed nearly 200 people this week.

The White House said Obama will visit the state on Friday.

“There is a point in time where you say, ‘Hey, what’s going on here?’” Perry said.

Perry had requested a federal declaration of emergency for Texas as the wildfires began to rage across the large state. The request has not been answered, although several federal agencies are supplying firefighters.

“They watch TV, they know what’s going on here, they can recognize that there is going to be a request for assistance, a request for help,” Perry said.

Two volunteer firefighters have died battling the Texas wildfires, which have destroyed more than 900 buildings.

A federal major disaster declaration could reimburse Texas and local governments 75 percent of the cost of their response. Local departments and the Texas Forest Service have spent more than $60 million since September 1 responding to wildfires, state forest service spokeswoman Linda Moon said.[/blockquote]
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: Pandora on April 29, 2011, 08:36:34 AM
In order to justify a refusal to run to the Feds, TX is going to have to cut off the TX tax money sent there as well.

Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: Libertas on April 29, 2011, 08:50:09 AM
Duh Wun is visiting Texas today?

Give him a hat and a shovel and shove his ass into the nearest brush fire and tell him this job is shovel-ready, get to it fothermucker!
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: John Florida on April 29, 2011, 09:03:18 AM
 What a small man our potus is.Vendictive little bastard.
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: radioman on April 29, 2011, 09:06:52 AM
obama is always looking for ways to punish the red states. Yep! bet on it!
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: Dan on April 29, 2011, 09:18:08 AM
It appears that we don't actually have a President of the United States.
We have a tyrant-king.
He needs to swing...
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: Libertas on April 29, 2011, 09:52:47 AM
We already suspect he swings both ways...oh, I see what you mean!

 ;D
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 29, 2011, 10:00:38 AM
It appears that we don't actually have a President of the United States.
We have a tyrant-king.
He needs to swing...

Swing in the political breeze in 2012?

shwing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omhIKVpO8OU#ws)
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: michelleo on April 30, 2011, 09:12:53 AM
Texas should just secede already. 
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: warpmine on April 30, 2011, 04:15:47 PM
I'd love to see Texas declare independence and war on the same proclamation. Can't you jut see the libtards scurrying around looking for troops to send to TX to force their hand. How many in the Armed Forces would desert instantly to side with TX?

Obamakov: "Get me Adm. Mullen, asap."
Secretary: "Mr. President, the Admiral is on line 1."
Obamakov: "Mike, this YOUR President, we need the pink brigade, and pronto."
Adm. Mullen: Can't do Sir, they're just not ready yet.
Obamakov: "What doya mean, they're not ready yet after billions of dollars and steady recruitment from San Fran and the Village?"
Adm. Mullen: "Well, they're still accessorizing."
 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: Libertas on May 04, 2011, 11:18:36 AM
Texas should just secede already. 

Might as well, Obamakov (thru FEMA) just told Texas to fvck off again!

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/politics/Perry-White-House-Denies-Disaster-Status-for-Wildfires-121226234.html?dr (http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/politics/Perry-White-House-Denies-Disaster-Status-for-Wildfires-121226234.html?dr)

 ::cussing::
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 04, 2011, 12:44:34 PM

[blockquote]
Quote
“When nearly 7,000 individual wildfires burn through more than 2.2. million acres, result in loss of life, and destroy homes, businesses, farms and ranches across the state,  it’s hard to understand how these conditions don’t spell ‘disaster’ for this Administration," said Cornyn on Wednesday. "We’ve yet to enter the hottest months of the year and already wildfires have wreaked havoc in Texas – yet our state has not received sufficient federal disaster aid.
[/blockquote]

KMA, POS.
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: John Florida on May 04, 2011, 03:09:08 PM
 I'm shocked simply shocked!! ::falldownshocked::
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: Thresherman on May 04, 2011, 03:24:17 PM
It gets old saying this, but can you imagine the outrage if Bush would have denied disaster relief to California during one of its wildfires?  Why its almost as if there were different rules for Republicans and Democrats.
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: IronDioPriest on May 04, 2011, 03:31:06 PM
It gets old saying this, but can you imagine the outrage if Bush would have denied disaster relief to California during one of its wildfires?  Why its almost as if there were different rules for Republicans and Democrats.

OMG, the media accusations against him that he was hanging California out to dry for political reasons would have become "fact" in a microsecond.

The media is allowing this usurper to get away with things that no other president in our history would have been able to get away with, Bush aside.
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 04, 2011, 03:50:26 PM

2,200,000 acres = 3437.5 mi²

Land area of Rhode Island
Rhode Island | 1045 mi2 (square miles)

Land area of Delaware
Delaware | 1954 mi2 (square miles)

Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: John Florida on May 04, 2011, 04:12:06 PM
Texas will be voting in the next election won't they?
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: Libertas on May 05, 2011, 07:13:07 AM
Texas will be voting in the next election won't they?

Yeah, possibly to return themselves to their own independent republic again.

 ;)
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 05, 2011, 07:11:01 PM


The President will be in Austin, Texas Tuesday, May 10, for a fundraiser.


The source of this information is redacted therefore they lose credit, a link, visits, and possible sales revenue.
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: RickZ on May 05, 2011, 07:48:08 PM
Such petty vindictiveness by Sir Golfsalot I place into the 'high crimes and misdemeanors' category.  One of many such 'high crimes' he has committed.
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: Libertas on May 06, 2011, 07:10:03 AM
Such petty vindictiveness by Sir Golfsalot I place into the 'high crimes and misdemeanors' category.  One of many such 'high crimes' he has committed.

If the list of grievances against the people and the Constitution of the United States was nailed to a door like Luther's Theses...well, It would have to be one big 'ol door, because beating his 95 seems a sure thing!
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 07, 2011, 07:58:16 PM
http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/05/president-obama-to-visit-texas-next-tuesday/
...
“It’s offensive that the president will make the time to use Texas as an ATM just days after he denied federal assistance for the thousands of wildfires that have ravaged Texas for months,” . “I’m sure Texans in those areas affected by the fires would appreciate a Commander in Chief who is more concerned about their lives and livelihoods than he is with filling his campaign coffers.”
...
Sen. John Cornyn spokesman Kevin McLaughlin

ETA: Hey Prince,

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JdyDXzKm6HA/TcLAU-J0BEI/AAAAAAAAAbE/Sq3x-AJ33Pc/s1600/txdrought0505111.jpg)

Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 31, 2011, 10:45:49 AM

High winds fanning wild fires blew through Amarillo suburbs destroying 12 homes and over 200 acres Monday.  In the area, Sunday, 1200 acres burned.  Last week Governor Rick Perry wrote a letter of appeal to President Barack Obama seeking assistance fighting the fires which have cost the state over $107 million to date. 

It seems the President gives lip service to Mississippi flooding and tornado struck Missouri while waiting for Texas to burn, bankrupt, or be taken over by mohammed supporting la Raza's.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/30/illegal-immigrant-arrested-death-texas-police-officer/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/30/illegal-immigrant-arrested-death-texas-police-officer/)

Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: sablegsd on June 02, 2011, 06:14:48 PM
I read somewhere that after he told TX to f**k off, he sent relief to f**king mexico's fire.

Damn, I hate that pencil necked, jug eared douche.

http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2011/05/11/obama-sends-cargo-planes-to-help-mexicos-wildfires-and-ignores-texas/ (http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2011/05/11/obama-sends-cargo-planes-to-help-mexicos-wildfires-and-ignores-texas/)
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: rickl on June 02, 2011, 07:05:24 PM
Clearly, any state which opposes Federal policies needs to start preparing to do without Federal funds.  Such money always comes with strings attached, and a state can't bristle at Federal mandates while simultaneously putting their hand out for aid.
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 02, 2011, 07:53:18 PM

The sticky wicket there is the money states remit to the Feds.
To be consistent a state would also not send money to the Fed.

Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: Libertas on June 02, 2011, 07:58:16 PM
Good point Charles.  Usually you hear nothing from the net recipient states, but the net payer states usually complain with regularity.

I find it ironic that the latter do not see the wisdom in severing all financial ties with the Fed's and take care of their own.  If that happened, then the net recipient states wouldn't be net recipients for long and they too would be impelled to cut the Fed's loose.

Man, would I love to see that day!
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: rickl on June 02, 2011, 07:59:05 PM

The sticky wicket there is the money states remit to the Feds.
To be consistent a state would also not send money to the Fed.

Good point, but I'm not sure what money the states collect and remit to the Feds.  That's how it was done originally, but nowadays I think the Feds just tax the people directly, which was not in the Constitution.

Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: Libertas on June 02, 2011, 08:14:42 PM

The sticky wicket there is the money states remit to the Feds.
To be consistent a state would also not send money to the Fed.

Good point, but I'm not sure what money the states collect and remit to the Feds.  That's how it was done originally, but nowadays I think the Feds just tax the people directly, which was not in the Constitution.



They do act as agents for unemployment, most of the states have run out of funding and have borrowed funds from the Fed's, they make payments on that.  Also indirectly affecting the Fed's is payments owed by one state to another due to reciprocal agreements and such, which could affect how much stressed states get in Fed aid.  Granted the Fed's shell out about $500b to states each year, but things really get muddled when you look at funded vs unfunded mandates and their impact upon states.  It's all interconnected and the Fed's do carry more weight in the relationship, but politics makes some states winners and others losers...such as we saw with Obama and the Porkulus money that largely went to state employee unions who in turn donate (kickback) heavily to DemonRats.  The incestuous nature of money and politics goes deep, and the sooner this dependency is ended the sooner all other dependencies will end.

Who was i the news today?  Ohio?  Fed's threatening to cut them off for the state cutting Planned (Un)Parenthood off the teat?  They use funding like a club, I hope Ohio tells the Fed's to fvck off!
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: Pandora on June 02, 2011, 08:38:01 PM
Indiana, I think.

eta:  Yep. (http://www.nationaljournal.com/healthcare/indiana-defies-federal-government-on-nobr-planned-parenthood-nobr--20110602)
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 02, 2011, 09:21:40 PM
[blockquote]
Quote
http://cpr.ca.gov/CPR_Report/Issues_and_Recommendations/Chapter_1_General_Government/Increasing_State_Revenues/GG07.html

In federal FY 2002-2003, Texas received 92 cents in federal payments and services for every dollar sent to Washington. [15] Federal funds are the second largest segment of the Texas state budget, accounting for $39.2 billion, or more than one-third of FY 2004-2005 appropriations. This appropriation was an increase of $2.17 billion from the previous fiscal year. [16]
[/blockquote]

It appears the Fed returned to Texas 39.2B, 92% of what the fed received.  An accountant probably has a formula to calculate what was originally taken remitted by the state to the Fed.

The funny thing about that return is that the state has to use that money the way the fed dictates or as the fed says, agreed upon by the two parties.

I'm with Libertas, "The incestuous nature of money and politics goes deep, and the sooner this dependency is ended the sooner all other dependencies will end."

Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: rickl on June 02, 2011, 09:33:06 PM
An accountant probably has a formula to calculate what was originally taken remitted by the state to the Fed.

I don't think the state is actually collecting and remitting money to the Fed for the most part.  I think this mainly reflects the money that Texas citizens are directly taxed by the Federal government, which, as I said, was never originally in the Constitution.  It's probably the 16th Amendment which allowed for that, and that was one of the amendments which solidified Federal authority and control over the states, which of course was also not part of the original Constitution.

Getting out of that is going to be difficult.
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 02, 2011, 09:58:59 PM

It is a state's money, however it is collected from the state and its citizens and it goes to the fed. A portion of that taken out of the state by the fed is then returned.  If the fed did not have it's hand in a state's pocket, by whatever means, those monies would stay in the state. The fed would have no control over that money, which in the case of Texas is more than $40 Billion dollars. By the same token a state would have no right of request upon the fed.



Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: Libertas on June 03, 2011, 07:10:34 AM
There would be a lot of tit-for-tat retaliation-monies denied, programs curtailed and maybe even some lawsuits requiring the Supreme's to settle, but if a brave state governor and a stout legislature were to challenge the Federal behemoth on original Federalist grounds and have concurrent legislation passed to the replace what Federal mandates the state desires to retain unto itself then we would have a resurgence of states rights other states could model off of.  Under original construction the Federal beast was never meant to be this massive and intruding so heavily into individual state affairs, not on a permanent basis anyway.  Some will bring up Lincoln during the Civil War but that is a red-herring IMO and I do not want to engage in another rehash of that era, but the main point is Federal authority vested in the Executive and with the support of Congress can take temporary extraordinary measures as extreme (and I mean extreme, not casual, not manufactured) conditions warrant.  (I'll leave the question as to the extreme condition presented by the Civil War meeting the definition out of this current debate just so we don't go wildly off topic.)  The Federal government was intended to care for the big ticket items of national defense, diplomacy and fostering commerce.  The states were envisioned as incubators of innovation and meeting the needs of their citizens as their citizens desired as expressed through their state and local representatives.  Until the Federal government is trimmed down and states allowed to resume their intended role, states will be little better than vassals of the Federal beast and our citizens serfs at best!
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: RickZ on June 03, 2011, 09:14:49 AM
Libertas,

While I agree with your points about the original concept of the Union regarding the purpose of the Federal Government, I think you're overlooking one point, a fairly important one, I think.  And you can blame Henry Ford.

It used to be that people never travelled much from the area of their birth, much less to other states or even countries.  Wealth, or a lack thereof, had a lot to do with that, but there is also this point:  People were proud of where they were born, of the State in which they resided.  The Civil War helped kill individuals' pride in their home State, "in order to form a more perfect union."  I really cannot see a person siding with their state ever again, though Texas would the only one that even remotely has a chance of tbat happening.  How many people are proud to be from Michigan anymore?  Or California?  Or even a state like Virginia?  So the idea of individual loyalty to a State was crushed by the Civil War.  Witness the number of Civil War monuments to state regiments or battalions.  Like Col. Chamberlain and his Maine boys at the Battle of Little Round Top at Gettysburg.  Today, the units are one country's arms and army.

Then we have Henry Ford.  Thanks to his assembly line production of the automobile, people became, as the vehicle's name states, self mobile.  Now people were free to move about the coutnry at will, with little to no hardship in travel (Pandora's cross-country story not withstanding).  With that mobility came a homogeneity of our culture, a lessening of the value of being from a particular state.

FDR helped put the final nails in States' Rights by virtue of his massive expansion of the Federal Government thanks to all his programs he created.  With the increase in Federal prpograms, a one-size-fits-all situation occurred, or a one Federal citizen model.

As you state, it will take some governor(s) with some serious cojones to battle the massive behemoth called The Fed.  Too many rely on it for their livelihood, whether through direct employment, Social Security, Medicare, or even Government jobs contracted out to the private sector.  For an individual state to begin to reassert its rights will be frought with risk, as the resources of the Fed are overwhelming when crushing such dissent.  I'd like to see a State try it, though, but I fear that it is like the situation the individual faces with regard to federal intrusion into our lives (that was discussed here elsewhere):  No one wants to be the first to stand up and fight and place themselves squarely in the Federal Government's crosshairs.  We have Ruby Ridge and Waco as recent examples of such rebellion, and the predictable results which then ensued.
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: Libertas on June 03, 2011, 11:39:20 AM
State loyalty, in and of itself as such, never entered my thought process, I guess that makes it intentional.  If states were the incubators of innovation as originally intended, then states with thriving economies, low taxes, more liberty, blind justice and true representative/non-careerist representation...then citizens would flock to that state and other states would have to compete in like fashion or devolve into a dysfunctional state.  That is the kind of earned loyalty and pride I can get behind.  Our mobile society could be leveraged into a positive force, if leaders of vision have the foresight to see it and act upon it.  But it will be tough indeed to get enough of a states political leadership to start the ball rolling.  It may require leadership from DC to give up control over certain areas on order to spark the states into action, but the top-down approach only works if you have effective control over all branches of government, something that in this day and age is not very easy to accomplish.  And if Obamakov (God spare us!) gets another 4 more years, baring state action what else is there left to stave off permanent serfdom?
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 03, 2011, 11:54:22 AM

Historically being from a state was part of your ID, this is true the world over.  Being from the mountains, or swamp, the plains, will shape the perspective of those from that region.  The 1950's movie's did a lot to promote the notion of some kind of romantic states loyalty. This thought is exclusive of politicians who, of course, make that appeal to loyalty.

Henry Ford capitalized on our natural mobility, we have always been mobile.  We left the Old World for America and we kept moving till we filled the continent. I will not be long before we are boarding Virgin Liners for the New World which we will colonize and prosper.  It is our manifest destiny.

Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: Pandora on June 03, 2011, 04:18:41 PM
State loyalty, in and of itself as such, never entered my thought process, I guess that makes it intentional.  If states were the incubators of innovation as originally intended, then states with thriving economies, low taxes, more liberty, blind justice and true representative/non-careerist representation...then citizens would flock to that state and other states would have to compete in like fashion or devolve into a dysfunctional state.  That is the kind of earned loyalty and pride I can get behind.  Our mobile society could be leveraged into a positive force, if leaders of vision have the foresight to see it and act upon it.  But it will be tough indeed to get enough of a states political leadership to start the ball rolling.  It may require leadership from DC to give up control over certain areas on order to spark the states into action, but the top-down approach only works if you have effective control over all branches of government, something that in this day and age is not very easy to accomplish.  And if Obamakov (God spare us!) gets another 4 more years, baring state action what else is there left to stave off permanent serfdom?

That's already happening as folks are fleeing Michigan and New York.  Those are just two off the top of my head.  We got the hell out of the frying pan of NJ only to jump into the fire of CA, and then came to NC, looking to just get shut of laws/taxes, laws/taxes, laws/taxes.  Here would be a good place to insert the issue of the "locusts" doing the same, diluting the effect of the freedom-seekers by advocating to recreate the "stifle" we all left behind -- God help us.

I can only see this mobility and liberty-seeking escalating once any state -- Texas? -- takes a stand and gains even a minor foothold, with the added benefit of the locusts being content to stay where they feeeeel "protected".
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: John Florida on June 03, 2011, 04:30:14 PM
State loyalty, in and of itself as such, never entered my thought process, I guess that makes it intentional.  If states were the incubators of innovation as originally intended, then states with thriving economies, low taxes, more liberty, blind justice and true representative/non-careerist representation...then citizens would flock to that state and other states would have to compete in like fashion or devolve into a dysfunctional state.  That is the kind of earned loyalty and pride I can get behind.  Our mobile society could be leveraged into a positive force, if leaders of vision have the foresight to see it and act upon it.  But it will be tough indeed to get enough of a states political leadership to start the ball rolling.  It may require leadership from DC to give up control over certain areas on order to spark the states into action, but the top-down approach only works if you have effective control over all branches of government, something that in this day and age is not very easy to accomplish.  And if Obamakov (God spare us!) gets another 4 more years, baring state action what else is there left to stave off permanent serfdom?

That's already happening as folks are fleeing Michigan and New York.  Those are just two off the top of my head.  We got the hell out of the frying pan of NJ only to jump into the fire of CA, and then came to NC, looking to just get shut of laws/taxes, laws/taxes, laws/taxes.  Here would be a good place to insert the issue of the "locusts" doing the same, diluting the effect of the freedom-seekers by advocating to recreate the "stifle" we all left behind -- God help us.

I can only see this mobility and liberty-seeking escalating once any state -- Texas? -- takes a stand and gains even a minor foothold, with the added benefit of the locusts being content to stay where they feeeeel "protected".

 It's going to come to where those people will be made unwelcome in those states.There will be a shoot out sooner or later before they muddy up the good states left to live in.
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 03, 2011, 04:57:54 PM

It doesn't necessarily happen that way.  Some may not be locusts but hard workers who by ignorance bring the same political and culturally week mindset, they will work, obey the laws, vote, and change the laws and thereby change the culture forever.

Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: Pandora on June 03, 2011, 05:02:50 PM

It doesn't necessarily happen that way.  Some may not be locusts but hard workers who by ignorance bring the same political and culturally week mindset, they will work, obey the laws, vote, and change the laws and thereby change the culture forever.



That's exactly what makes them locusts.  They "ignorantly" work to recreate what they fled.

.45 ACP pesticide.
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: John Florida on June 03, 2011, 05:05:22 PM

It doesn't necessarily happen that way.  Some may not be locusts but hard workers who by ignorance bring the same political and culturally week mindset, they will work, obey the laws, vote, and change the laws and thereby change the culture forever.



That's exactly what makes them locusts.  They "ignorantly" work to recreate what they fled.

.45 ACP pesticide.

 An actual hunting season would be nice so we could all be there on opening day.
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 03, 2011, 05:37:45 PM

Or a 10 yr residency before being allowed to vote in a state, county, city, or municipal election.

Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: John Florida on June 03, 2011, 06:07:01 PM

Or a 10 yr residency before being allowed to vote in a state, county, city, or municipal election.



 Nope we don't want to encourage them in any way.Shoulder mounts in the den is the only way.
Title: Re: Obama IGNORES TX Gov Perry's Disaster Declaration Request
Post by: rickl on June 03, 2011, 06:35:12 PM

Or a 10 yr residency before being allowed to vote in a state, county, city, or municipal election.

You hit on the real root of the problem:  Democracy.  The universal franchise.

The Founders knew that pure democracy would lead to ruin, so they tried to avoid it.  But the Republic they created has been steadily whittled away, and now we are very close to pure democracy.  As long as people who are dependent on government are allowed to vote, the problem will only get worse.