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Topics => 2nd Amendment/Firearms => Topic started by: IronDioPriest on May 03, 2011, 01:53:31 PM
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Issa to Holder on Gunrunner: We’re looking at you and your key people (http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/03/issa-to-holder-on-gunrunner-were-looking-at-you-and-your-key-people/)
...At the hearing, Holder conceded to Issa that Congress has the authority to conduct investigations independent of the Justice Department. Holder also said the DOJ has 20 cases heading to trial in June on the subject. Issa doesn’t think much of those cases.
“Isn’t it true that those 20 cases going to trial in June are basically a bunch of meth addicts who were straw buying? You don’t have the kingpins,” Issa said. “What you have are the people you already had.”
Issa then asked Holder whether the Justice Department will cooperate with ongoing congressional investigations, which he says differ from the DOJ’s on who is being investigated. “We’re not looking at straw buyers, Mr. Attorney General, we’re looking at you,” Issa said. “We’re looking at you, we’re looking at your key people who knew or should’ve known about this.”
Holder said he’ll cooperate, but struck back against Issa’s charge of who’s responsible for wrongdoing with this program. “The notion that somehow or another that this Justice Department is responsible for those deaths, that assertion is offensive,” Holder said, referring to the deaths of American Border Patrol agents who may have been killed with American guns obtained through the program.
“What if it’s accurate, Mr. Attorney General?” Issa responded.
“What am I going to tell Agent Terry’s mother about how he died at the hand of a gun that was videotaped as it was being sold to a straw purchaser fully expecting it to end up in the hands of drug cartels?” Issa asked Holder...
More linked @ dailycaller...
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'Holder responded to Issa’s question by saying: “We’ll have to see exactly what happened with regard to the guns that are an issue there.” '
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/03/issa-to-holder-on-gunrunner-were-looking-at-you-and-your-key-people/#ixzz1LJtPdcPe (http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/03/issa-to-holder-on-gunrunner-were-looking-at-you-and-your-key-people/#ixzz1LJtPdcPe)
What a lousy non-answer! he knows everything about those guns! Subpeona documents! Grill this bastard some more! He is responsible for Terry's death and all the lost lives down there, that miserable fvck!
::gaah::
::rockets::
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He's inviolate, if a common citizen did not respond to a subpoena they would be under the jail.
ATF has since missed several request deadlines that Issa put forth for information, and missed a subpoena deadline as well.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/03/issa-to-holder-on-gunrunner-were-looking-at-you-and-your-key-people/#ixzz1LKIw8tgl (http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/03/issa-to-holder-on-gunrunner-were-looking-at-you-and-your-key-people/#ixzz1LKIw8tgl)
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I am neither shocked nor surprised..........
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Until I see Holder forced to resign in disgrace then arrested under the RICO statutes, Issa is just pissing in the wind.
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Until I see Holder forced to resign in disgrace then arrested under the RICO statutes, Issa is just pissing in the wind.
I'd like to see him tried for treason and executed more than anyone in government right now. Even more than O'Chimpy.
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Until I see Holder forced to resign in disgrace then arrested under the RICO statutes, Issa is just pissing in the wind.
I'd like to see him tried for treason and executed more than anyone in government right now. Even more than O'Chimpy.
He's his masters boy, as he goes so should his master.
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Until I see Holder forced to resign in disgrace then arrested under the RICO statutes, Issa is just pissing in the wind.
I'd like to see him tried for treason and executed more than anyone in government right now. Even more than O'Chimpy.
He's his masters boy, as he goes so should his master.
Let's not take the hook out of homeland insecurity. She's in this too.
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The list of traitors that should be perp-walked to the gallows could go pretty deep...but I think I'm with IDP on this one, to start with Holder makes sense, it can be argued nobody has had more of a hand in perverting/ignoring the law than Holder...he needs to go, immediately!
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The list of traitors that should be perp-walked to the gallows could go pretty deep...but I think I'm with IDP on this one, to start with Holder makes sense, it can be argued nobody has had more of a hand in perverting/ignoring the law than Holder...he needs to go, immediately!
I understand Grassley gets his crack at Holder today.
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The list of traitors that should be perp-walked to the gallows could go pretty deep...but I think I'm with IDP on this one, to start with Holder makes sense, it can be argued nobody has had more of a hand in perverting/ignoring the law than Holder...he needs to go, immediately!
I understand Grassley gets his crack at Holder today.
I wonder if any video-bites from these hearings are making the evening news? NYT? Anyone? It may well be, but I ask because I would have no way of knowing since I don't watch them.
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The list of traitors that should be perp-walked to the gallows could go pretty deep...but I think I'm with IDP on this one, to start with Holder makes sense, it can be argued nobody has had more of a hand in perverting/ignoring the law than Holder...he needs to go, immediately!
I understand Grassley gets his crack at Holder today.
I wonder if any video-bites from these hearings are making the evening news? NYT? Anyone? It may well be, but I ask because I would have no way of knowing since I don't watch them.
Yeah, me neither, but even if they are I reckon assuming the coverage is twisted and biased would be a good bet.
I don't see Grassley as being as naturally aggressive as Issa, but he has been on point about peppering The Regime with questions over Gunwalker so perhaps he'll rise to the occasion.
God I want that POS Holder skewered!
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The list of traitors that should be perp-walked to the gallows could go pretty deep...but I think I'm with IDP on this one, to start with Holder makes sense, it can be argued nobody has had more of a hand in perverting/ignoring the law than Holder...he needs to go, immediately!
I understand Grassley gets his crack at Holder today.
I wonder if any video-bites from these hearings are making the evening news? NYT? Anyone? It may well be, but I ask because I would have no way of knowing since I don't watch them.
Yeah, me neither, but even if they are I reckon assuming the coverage is twisted and biased would be a good bet.
I don't see Grassley as being as naturally aggressive as Issa, but he has been on point about peppering The Regime with questions over Gunwalker so perhaps he'll rise to the occasion.
God I want that POS Holder skewered!
Heard Grassley on the radio this morning. He said he intends to see this to the end--he pointed out his has the reputation of sticking with things until he gets answers. I believe him.
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Does anyone like Holder?
C'mon, it's a (semi) serious question!
As I was formulating my snarky reply to this thread I was thinking of an analogy to the scene in the movie "Hoffa" where Bobby Kennedy is skewering Hoffa. Then I remembered that the analogy wouldn't work because, rogue as he was, lotsa people loved Hoffa (and lotsa people loved Kennedy too) but I don't know of anyone who cares one whit about Holder.
How this shakes out is that Holders positions are tenuous as hell legally., He's waaaay out on a limb and likely to be smacked down - in a big way. The fact that he may be regarded as a useful tool by the left leaves him far short of the cover he's gonna need when this house of cards comes tumbling down.
This is a good place to say....hope so!
edit: altard-proofed
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Gee, haven't heard NBP voice thier opinion of Erica...
::whatgives::
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Does anyone like Holder?
C'mon, it's a (semi) serious question!
As I was formulating my snarky reply to this thread I was thinking of an analogy to the scene in the movie "Hoffa" where Bobby Kennedy is skewering Hoffa. Then I remembered that the analogy wouldn't work because, rogue as he was, lotsa people loved Hoffa (and lotsa people loved Kennedy too) but I don't know of anyone who cares one whit about Holder.
How this shakes out is that Holders positions are tenuous as hell legally., He's waaaay out on a limb and likely to be smacked down - in a big way. The fact that he may be regarded as a useful tool by the left leaves him far short of the cover he's gonna need when this house of cards comes tumbling down.
This is a good place to say....hope so!
edit: altard-proofed
I think Scooter Libby should do the investigating on this.
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Acting head of BATF to be sacrificed.
Will the cries for justice go away?
Wall Street Journal gets it wrong and Red State gets it right. LINK (http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2011/06/19/kenneth-melsons-fast-furious-firing/)
[blockquote]Word is out that Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms acting head Kenneth Melson is going to be sacrificed some time this week over Operation Fast & Furious:
"The shakeup shows the extent of the political damage caused by the gun-trafficking operation called Fast and Furious, which used tactics that allowed suspected smugglers to buy large numbers of firearms. Growing controversy over the program has paralyzed a long-beleaguered agency buffeted by partisan battles. The ATF has been without a Senate-confirmed director since 2006, with both the ***Bush and Obama administrations unable to overcome opposition from gun-rights groups to win approval of nominees."[* ]
The Wall Street Journal sort of gets it wrong, there: the problem was not that smugglers were allowed to buy guns. It was that they were allowed to then smuggle them. The evidence is pretty damning that higher-ups in both BATF and the Department of Justice were looking to trace drug-trafficking networks in Mexico by seeing which gangs ended up with federally-supplied firearms… and if you think that that strategy looks incredibly pernicious when just written out that way, well, I used the word ‘damning’ for a reason. Particularly since the federal strategy in this case led to Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry being murdered by someone using one of the tracked firearms.
Read More ? LINK (http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2011/06/19/kenneth-melsons-fast-furious-firing/) article contains linked citations.
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Bush 41 tried to bust up the BATF completely. To avoid job loss etc. for the agents and bureaucrats Bust wanted to disburse the BATF agents into other relevant agencies, FBI, CIA, Justice, etc, and none, none of them would take the agents. They wouldn't take them because of their history. The histroy that we know and their history that we don't know.
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AoS says: (http://ace.mu.nu/archives/317749.php)
It's a nice start, but according to the first report out of the House Oversight/Senate Judiciary Committee (pdf), "ATF led a strike force comprised of agents from ATF, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS)." Chances of a higher-up's head rolling are high in such a large-scale clusterf**k. My bet's on Napolitano.
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I don't give one hot damn about who gets burned as long as it goes all the way to who knew about it and gave the orders to let the guns go.
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Barry is denying he knew anything about it. I guess that throws Erica & Janet under the bus...
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Barry is denying he knew anything about it. I guess that throws Erica & Janet under the bus...
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You know what??? It is perfectly believable he DIDN'T know anything.....
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[blockquote]
LINK[ (http://nation.foxnews.com/botched-gun-operation/2011/06/20/issa-holder-absolutely-knew-about-fast-furious-earlier-he-testified)
House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa (R.-Calif.) told CNSNews.com in an interview that he believes the Justice Department is covering up information relevant to a congressional investigation of an operation in which the department knowingly allowed intermediaries of Mexican drug cartels to purchase guns at licensed firearms dealers in the United States and then get away without being arrested or the guns being retrieved.
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Additionally, Issa says he does not believe Attorney General Eric Holder testified accurately in the Judiciary Committee on May 3, ...
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They are taking testimony today.
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From Fox today
Fall Guy for Operation Fast & Furious?
Jun 20, 2011 - 2:54
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1009171648001 (http://video.foxnews.com/v/1009171648001)
Melson has no intention of leaving and could have the goods on Holder.
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Grab his behind and turn him!!This one goes all the way up to the WH
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Melson to step down (http://nation.foxnews.com/botched-gun-operation/2011/06/20/atf-director-may-resign-over-fast-and-furious-program) video at link
Kenneth Melson, acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, is expected to resign under pressure... [two senior Feds said]
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ok so where is all the truth to power horse squeeze......??!!??
Inquiring minds want to know: what'd he know and when did he know it............?
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Who gave him carte blanch to do whatever the hell he wants or who gave him authorization for this operation?! It has to be one or the other dangnabbit!
Squeeze that grape till he pops!!!
The same question applies to Erica! I ain't buying any of this Obamakov didn't know BS! Squeeze these punks hard!
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Additionally, where did the funding come for this?
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If in the annual appropriation bills to fund department operations, I am not sure how detailed they get, it may be a lump sum divided as the department requires. They may only itemize their budget by broad categories like salaries & benefits, supplies, capital equipment, field expenses etc. Somebody on The Hill outta know the answer on that one, especially the committee chairs with oversight responsibility!
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If in the annual appropriation bills to fund department operations, I am not sure how detailed they get, it may be a lump sum divided as the department requires. They may only itemize their budget by broad categories like salaries & benefits, supplies, capital equipment, field expenses etc. Somebody on The Hill outta know the answer on that one, especially the committee chairs with oversight responsibility!
There's probably a ton of dough in an account labeled "Misc. Funds" or "General Operating Funds" or some such nebulous designation . Whatever it is , it's probably murky enough to give Stymie plausible deniability of any knowlege .
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If in the annual appropriation bills to fund department operations, I am not sure how detailed they get, it may be a lump sum divided as the department requires. They may only itemize their budget by broad categories like salaries & benefits, supplies, capital equipment, field expenses etc. Somebody on The Hill outta know the answer on that one, especially the committee chairs with oversight responsibility!
There's probably a ton of dough in an account labeled "Misc. Funds" or "General Operating Funds" or some such nebulous designation . Whatever it is , it's probably murky enough to give Stymie plausible deniability of any knowlege .
He can plausibly deny all he wants, because the obvious next question would be "so, you have rogue people running around making up God knows what and doing things which may or may not violate our laws and get citizens killed and all you got to offer is 'I didn't know jack about this' and that's supposed to keep your ass off the hook?"!
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[blockquote]
LINK (http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/06/atf-agents-allowing-guns-into-mexico-was-a-catastrophic-disaster)
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“What we have here is a colossal failure of leadership,’’ Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agent Peter Forcelli told a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing. “This was a catastrophic disaster.’’
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Gun-rights advocates, many of them in Texas, argue that the Fast and Furious case shows that most, if not all, U.S. weapons purchases were within ATF’s power to prevent. Most weapons in Mexico come from Central America or are sold to traffickers by corrupt Mexican law enforcement, they claim.
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Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., called for a separate hearing to examine whether current gun laws are adequate to stem the Mexico-bound gun flow.
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The three ATF agents testified how at times they watched purchasers carry away loads of weapons and put them into traffickers’ cars only to have supervisors tell them to do nothing.
When agents protested, ATF agent John Dodson said, “We were told that we simply didn’t understand the plan.’’
A former N.Y. police detective, Forcelli said: “To walk a single gun is, in my opinion, an idiotic move.’’
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Senators Feinstein and Schumer, Monday, called for a reinstatement of Feinstein's assault-weapons ban which expired in 2004.
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LINK (http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/06/atf-agents-allowing-guns-into-mexico-was-a-catastrophic-disaster)
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“What we have here is a colossal failure of leadership,’’ Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agent Peter Forcelli told a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing. “This was a catastrophic disaster.’’
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Gun-rights advocates, many of them in Texas, argue that the Fast and Furious case shows that most, if not all, U.S. weapons purchases were within ATF’s power to prevent. Most weapons in Mexico come from Central America or are sold to traffickers by corrupt Mexican law enforcement, they claim.
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Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., called for a separate hearing to examine whether current gun laws are adequate to stem the Mexico-bound gun flow.
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The three ATF agents testified how at times they watched purchasers carry away loads of weapons and put them into traffickers’ cars only to have supervisors tell them to do nothing.
When agents protested, ATF agent John Dodson said, “We were told that we simply didn’t understand the plan.’’
A former N.Y. police detective, Forcelli said: “To walk a single gun is, in my opinion, an idiotic move.’’
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Senators Feinstein and Schumer, Monday, called for a reinstatement of Feinstein's assault-weapons ban which expired in 2004.
LOL...Yeah, that's the answer. assclowns.