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Topics => The "Educators" => Topic started by: Pandora on May 10, 2011, 03:19:05 PM
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With schools under increasing pressure to offer healthier food, the staple on children's cafeteria trays has come under attack over the very ingredient that made it so popular — sugar. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110509/ap_on_re_us/us_food_and_farm_chocolate_milk)
Who is it applying the pressure here and how is it any of their business, or the schools? Don't want your kid having chocolate milk, forbid him to have it. Oh, I forgot -- parents no longer have control of their kids so it's on the "village" to act responsibly.
Some school districts have gone as far as prohibiting flavored milk, and Florida considered a statewide ban in schools. Other districts have sought a middle ground by replacing flavored milks containing high-fructose corn syrup with versions containing sugar, which some see as a more natural sweetener.
Los Angeles Unified, the nation's second-largest school district, is the latest district to tackle the issue. Superintendent John Deasy recently announced he would push this summer to remove chocolate and strawberry milk from school menus.
But nutritionists — and parents — are split over whether bans make sense, especially when about 70 percent of milk consumed in schools is flavored, mostly chocolate, according to the industry-backed Milk Processors Education Program.
All in response to the childhood "obesity epidemic".
Because chocolate milk is "soda in drag" (wonder how she explained "in drag" to her kid) and "if you have flavored milk, that's candy".
These people are truly bugsht crazy insane control freaks.
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Rx/ Recess 2x daily: kickball, tag, relay races.
Also may be administered for ADD.
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That.
And maybe "they" ought to consider serving "whole wheat bread or roll" with every friggin lunch isn't such a great idea either, something I read/heard in another account of what is considered a "healthy" meal.
Pizza, in my never to be humble opinion, is one of the most "healthy", best, all-around choices available. Minimal complex carbs in the crust, cheese (Vitamin D & A), tomatoes (Vitamin C), throw on some green/red peppers and you're good to go.
Except for the freaking out about the high fat content in the cheese! Aaiiieee!
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As long as parents roll over for it, it will continue.
I'd be sending my kid to school with a carton of chocolate milk and a note telling the school that the child is required to drink it and finish every last drop, and that I want my kid coming home with that same note signed by the teacher witnessing that my directive was carried out. Make them squirm. Make them come to me and say, "Um, Mr. IDP, what is it you're wanting us to do here?"
I had an instance a few years back where my will came up against the school district policy. We live in a good district, but it has its ridiculous policies just like they all do.
The state guidelines for school sick day protocol insist that if your child has had flu-like symptoms, or has run a fever within a 24 hour period prior to the next school day, they are forbidden to come to school. That's common sense.
One year, my older son had a few different bouts with the flu during the school year that required him according to the guidelines to miss quite a bit of school. That same year we took several smaller vacations that whittled a few days here and there from school, but the kids always arranged things in advance with their teachers, and made up their work. Our kids are A/B students, and are very good at keeping up on their studies, so when opportunities arise for vacations during the school year, we gladly pull them out knowing that they will make up the work responsibly.
After one bout with the flu, we got a note from the school principal co-signed by the district social worker saying that my older boy had fallen below the district's acceptable absentee limit, and that any further absences would necessitate a pow-wow with a district social worker, a counselor, and the school principal. My son was receiving straight A's at the time, and in fact had just received "Student of the Trimester" award. Not to mention the fact that we had another week-long vacation planned for the spring.
I verified with my boy that he was up on his studies, and then blasted the principal - first, for sending us a letter threatening pending action for "unexcused" absences when my son is among the top students in his class, and it is quite obvious by his grades and teacher comments that our home places a high value on education. Second, because most of his days absent from school were required by school sick policy, and the ones that weren't WERE excused - by US. Third, because she was too lazy to look at the student in question before signing the letter, and she looked ridiculous threatening the parents of the Student of the Trimester with social worker intervention for absenteeism.
I told her that under no circumstances would we ever be meeting with a social worker regarding this matter unless it was right there and then. I offered her a meeting based on the record as it stood, not after "one more absence." I notified her of our Spring vacation plans, and I basically said, you want a meeting with us, it's now or never. We're going on that vacation, and I don't want to hear a word about it. I even tried to close her down with alternate dates for a meeting - "You want to meet tomorrow evening, or would Wednesday work better? Why don't you get with the social worker and lemme know which works best."
Oh, no, no Mr. IDP, no need for that. It was a standard letter that we send out when a student has reached a certain number of absences, yadda-yadda. As soon as I got that concession, I blasted her some more just to drive it home, telling her that the district's cookie-cutter policy didn't serve her too well in this particular situation now, did it. Your threatening the sovereignty and sacredness of my family with intervention from social workers, based on a form-letter you now regret sending? Use your head next time, Mrs. principal.... I got profuse apology for the "misunderstanding". In return, I "promised" to make sure that for the rest of the school year, if my son was going to be absent, I'd call her personally to inform her.
Sometimes you gotta get in people's faces, make them uncomfortable. If parents would just take the initiative that God has given them, and BE the parent to their children, they'd be AMAZED at how much power they have. Send your kids to school with chocolate milk, and dare the school to challenge your authority.
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Parents refusing to stand up are definitely part of the problem and how the "authorities" get away with this nonsense. Bunch of them don't have an opinion and don't care, other bunch don't want to rock the boat, another bunch probably agree; that leaves a minority like you who are none of the former.
In the old days, my Mother would've been one of the ones fit to be tied over her parental authority being usurped and undermined.
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"When I went to school, they served chocolate milk." ~ Parent in 2030, talking to their child
So much for the 'I had to walk six miles to school, barefoot, in the snow, uphill' stories.
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pssssst.....wanna buy a shot of hershey's syrup.......? chocolate or strawberry..........
The black market will be awesome!!!!
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IDP:
Check out Karl Denninger's Tickers about his daughter getting in trouble for sitting where she wanted to at lunch:
I was called at approximately noon today to inform me that my daughter had sat at a table with other students, rather than at the table for her class. Her purpose in doing so, which my daughter informed me she intended to do last evening, was to peaceably assemble with another student of her acquaintance during her lunch break. For this act of peaceable assembly my daughter had been told to go to lunch detention at the front of the room, and she had politely refused. For that refusal she was sent to the office. These facts have all been admitted to and are without dispute.
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=179616 (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=179616)
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=180922 (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=180922)
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IDP:
Check out Karl Denninger's Tickers about his daughter getting in trouble for sitting where she wanted to at lunch:
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Those who can, do.
Those who can't teach, meddle.
I can't stand socialist education camps.
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Don't these people have anything better to do than stir the pot. Then they wonder why people run for lawyers.
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They're not stirring the pot; they're accustoming the kids to being ruled with a iron fist. It's no longer a matter of doing something well-known as wrong, it's simply breaking arbitrary, nonsensical rules, that requires the attention of the authoritahs.
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Or as Ayn Rand put it in Atlas Shrugged:
"Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We WANT them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against--then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one MAKES them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted--and you create a nation of law-breakers--and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."
~Ayn Rand, "Atlas Shrugged" (1957)
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I can't tell you how furious I become over this sort of thing.
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IDP:
Check out Karl Denninger's Tickers about his daughter getting in trouble for sitting where she wanted to at lunch...
The conclusion at the end of the 2nd post is just perfect.
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They're not stirring the pot; they're accustoming the kids to being ruled with a iron fist. It's no longer a matter of doing something well-known as wrong, it's simply breaking arbitrary, nonsensical rules, that requires the attention of the authoritahs.
These are the same people that give our kids condoms but wont let them sit in the seat of their choice.
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It's all about delivering the message and discipline. Too bad our side is capable of neither.
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I know too many parents who fall for this sort of thing. They've invested too much in showing they care by following every stupid rule there is.
An example of these parents? Several years ago I was involved in a moms' group that got together once a week suring the summer to do a field trip with our kids. We went to a kids museum that had a cafe. The coordinator/mom for that trip had made a point of sending a note to all moms letting them know to bring a packed lunch for their kids and not to buy in the cafe becasue it would make the kids whose moms don't buy for them feel bad.
I tell my kids all the time--hey, we do things differently in this family get used to it. lol
I already planned a packed lunch, told the kids we weren't buying and since I was short on cash I didn't buy in the cafe. If that happened now you better believe I'd be in that cafe!
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They're not stirring the pot; they're accustoming the kids to being ruled with a iron fist. It's no longer a matter of doing something well-known as wrong, it's simply breaking arbitrary, nonsensical rules, that requires the attention of the authoritahs.
When every citizen is a criminal thanks to arbitrary laws, the Government can pick and choose which criminals to prosecute/persecute on any given day. As stated, it's all about power, about control. What scares me the most is so many seem fine with giving up their liberty for some faux security and then wondering why things are so f*cked up. It's so longer a slippery slope, it's an icy 60% downhill grade, and getting steeper, with the government banning salt trucks.
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Parents refusing to stand up are definitely part of the problem and how the "authorities" get away with this nonsense. Bunch of them don't have an opinion and don't care, other bunch don't want to rock the boat, another bunch probably agree; that leaves a minority like you who are none of the former.
In the old days, my Mother would've been one of the ones fit to be tied over her parental authority being usurped and undermined.
" In the Old Days " , ( fifty plus years ago ) my Mother never missed a PTA meeting which was the venue for this sort of thing to be discussed . I can guarentee you that if the parents said "no" ... that meant "NO" ! My Mother was usually one of the loudest "NO" voices during PTA meetings . Come to think of it ... She said that a lot at home too !
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Proglodyte re-education camps shuold be eliminated and no parent should ever send a child to any such institution, ever.
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Parents refusing to stand up are definitely part of the problem and how the "authorities" get away with this nonsense. Bunch of them don't have an opinion and don't care, other bunch don't want to rock the boat, another bunch probably agree; that leaves a minority like you who are none of the former.
In the old days, my Mother would've been one of the ones fit to be tied over her parental authority being usurped and undermined.
" In the Old Days " , ( fifty plus years ago ) my Mother never missed a PTA meeting which was the venue for this sort of thing to be discussed . I can guarentee you that if the parents said "no" ... that meant "NO" ! My Mother was usually one of the loudest "NO" voices during PTA meetings . Come to think of it ... She said that a lot at home too !
You mean she wouldn't have needed a story like this?
How To Say No To Your Teen, And Stick To It
CHICAGO (CBS) – Remember the good old days, when all you had to do was say, “No,” and your little one obeyed immediately?
The word, “No,” is probably one of the first your kids learned.
But just like those pudgy cheeks, those days are gone once they become teenagers.
CBS 2’s Roseanne Tellez has this advice for saying, “No,” to your teenager, and sticking to it.
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“They’re going to try on new identities. and so they’re going to challenge you more,” said Dr. Sharon Hirsch, director of adolescent and child psychiatry at the University of Chicago Medical Center. “Typically you hear about battles over clothing, makeup, staying out late, who people date, do they get to text.”
The biggest battles may be over material possessions. Parents say it’s sometimes hard to say no.
That issue is something the Lucia family can relate to.
“This is a big, big pressure,” said Tom Lucia. “You know, ‘Everyone has it, so why can’t I.’”
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5) Remember you’re not your child’s friend. Dr. Hirsch says stay calm when you’re saying no but stick to your guns and remember you’re the parent and they need your guidance.
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No , she wouldn't . We knew damned well what "no" meant whether from her or my dad . They didn't put up with much foolishness . I took the same tack with my own kids and they've turned out fine . I was a lot like my parents in that I wasn't about to let a kid , whether seven or seventeen , tell me how things were going to be . It's also not just a matter of discipline . Leadership is key . That's when you get them to do what you want them to do with out lowering the boom . They just have to be aware that you keep the "boom" handy when it's needed . Old Fashioned ... But it works . ;D
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No , she wouldn't . We knew damned well what "no" meant whether from her or my dad . They didn't put up with much foolishness . I took the same tack with my own kids and they've turned out fine . I was a lot like my parents in that I wasn't about to let a kid , whether seven or seventeen , tell me how things were going to be . It's also not just a matter of discipline . Leadership is key . That's when you get them to do what you want them to do with out lowering the boom . They just have to be aware that you keep the "boom" handy when it's needed . Old Fashioned ... But it works . ;D
My two monsters knew a couple of thing would happen sure as the sun rises from the East!! I carried out all my threats to the letter and I kept all my promises to the letter. But like all kids they had to test it as often as they could work up the nerve. They also knew what it meant when I just got up and walked away from the conversation.
If the pushed the results were never what they wanted.
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No , she wouldn't . We knew damned well what "no" meant whether from her or my dad . They didn't put up with much foolishness . I took the same tack with my own kids and they've turned out fine . I was a lot like my parents in that I wasn't about to let a kid , whether seven or seventeen , tell me how things were going to be . It's also not just a matter of discipline . Leadership is key . That's when you get them to do what you want them to do with out lowering the boom . They just have to be aware that you keep the "boom" handy when it's needed . Old Fashioned ... But it works . ;D
You are so right--it's about leadership. I laid the groundwork when mine were little. I made it clear and I stayed consistent on how things were going to be in this house. Nothing is arbitrary in my decisions and humor's almost always a part of it. I have to be the adult and not act like a child. But it's not just about negative behavior--there's the expectations you lay out for your kids when they're young. My kids do chores around the house everyday and they get jobs by the time they're 16 if not before. They want extras they buy it themselves. Fun comes after doing your work. They understand they are part of a family and they participate in that family. I didn't have kids so I'd have something to do.
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No , she wouldn't . We knew damned well what "no" meant whether from her or my dad . They didn't put up with much foolishness . I took the same tack with my own kids and they've turned out fine . I was a lot like my parents in that I wasn't about to let a kid , whether seven or seventeen , tell me how things were going to be . It's also not just a matter of discipline . Leadership is key . That's when you get them to do what you want them to do with out lowering the boom . They just have to be aware that you keep the "boom" handy when it's needed . Old Fashioned ... But it works . ;D
You are so right--it's about leadership. I laid the groundwork when mine were little. I made it clear and I stayed consistent on how things were going to be in this house. Nothing is arbitrary in my decisions and humor's almost always a part of it. I have to be the adult and not act like a child. But it's not just about negative behavior--there's the expectations you lay out for your kids when they're young. My kids do chores around the house everyday and they get jobs by the time they're 16 if not before. They want extras they buy it themselves. Fun comes after doing your work. They understand they are part of a family and they participate in that family. I didn't have kids so I'd have something to do.
Good for you ! ::thumbsup::