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Topics => TEOTWAWKI => Topic started by: Weisshaupt on May 20, 2016, 09:24:45 AM

Title: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 20, 2016, 09:24:45 AM
Apparently Hoyt thought it was time for another of her Head in the Sand Posts on the collapse (https://accordingtohoyt.com/2016/05/19/collapse/)



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Okay, I’m sick and tired of hearing in every group I belong to that “Doom, gloom, the end is coming soon.” Now, I join with you in thinking that we’re on a difficult path and with the pool of two joker-Americans to pick from for the presidency, it might be a mighty step for joker-Americans, but the rest of us are going to suffer a worse economy, diminished prospects and likely, in either case, because hyenas smell blood, war at home and abroad. The severity of all of these could range from a continuation of the last eight years or to much, much, much worse.

How far worse?

Well — sigh — we stand to lose a lot of our liberties. This will slow down the rate of improvement in the sciences and tech, or bring it to a halt all together.  Our children will face yet a more diminished world and eventually, sometime around our great grandchildren, if this goes on, they’ll be about as poor as the rest of the world.

Social Security and Medicare will both be in deficit ( without even the IOUs)  in 5 Years, coincident with a giant wave of boomers retiring. (those born in 1950 turned 65 last year)  Fewer people are working in the US and the economy lingers in recessionary areas. We have a Government  imposing regulations that are killing our energy industry (Just as Venezuela killed theirs) and two major world powers looking to trip us up and take the reserve currency- both growing more powerful and influential by the day, and  the new Caliphate is being helped to invade western civilization under the guise of immigration. I am first to recognize the timing of the black swan that will take us down is hard, but TWO generations? Another 40 Years of $1+ Trillion deficits, the massive bankruptcy of govt pension plans both State and Federal  - and printing of money to make up the short falls, Puerto Rico style bailouts and so on..   I am just not so optimistic.

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I mean, let’s be real, okay?  I’m more than sick and tired of people envisioning a plunge down into the middle ages, or the stone age.  I’m more than sick and tired of people imagining that tomorrow we’ll be Venezuela.There is a lot of ruin in a country, particularly a country as rich as the US. And no, you have no idea how rich you are.  Nor do Europeans guess how rich we are.  They tend to think it’s “about like them” or worse because less government assistance, but take it from someone who’s been all over Europe and a great part of the US: you have no idea.  I once read that the equivalent for Europe was about two social levels down.  So, if you’re a secretary in the US, you live as well as doctors in Europe.  And that’s by and large true, with adjustments.  For instance, in the US things are easier to find, particularly specialized gadgets/food/clothes are much easier to find and take less time.  OTOH in Europe, (at least in the Southern part of it) you’re more likely to find cheap household help. But what I’m trying to say is that the crash rarely comes the way you expect it.  Oh, sure, civilizations in the world have been destroyed suddenly and no two stones have remained together, but that was when the world, and civilization was smaller and more easily squelchable, and even then I wonder if life changed that much between the before and the after for the average peasant on the outskirts of the city.  We know that when we dig beyond the historical accounts of fierce battles and entire populations of cities put to the sword, what we find is far less radical, far less scary and often far less heroic.

And that lifestyle is powered by ... right .... oil, electricity, police patrolling the streets, an expectation of justice. Yes, we are very rich, but a few supply chain problems and things fall apart rapidly. The idea that modern society is  robust is a joke. Argentina and Venezuela were both wealthy and it took less than 20 years of socialism to destroy each. Not two generations. They are now third world nations. 


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Even Rome, we think now, fell not in one great glorious invasion, but because the d*mn barbarians kept trickling over the border, and the Romans found them too useful to kick out, or even defend the border from (stop me when the tale sounds familiar.  Never mind.) Sure there were military invasions, but Rome qua classical Rome was already long gone.
And then there was the rest of the Empire.  Did Rome really fall?  Come walk  the streets of Portugal with me sometime, and tell me that.  And then we’ll both laugh at how things change, without changing.

Yes, things got worse and worse, and worse as Rome lost its grip. And if it was YOUR town the barbarians invaded  - things got very bad, very, very quickly. So yeah, on a macro scale Rome took forever to fall. On an individual's scale,  Rome fell when you were skewered on a Barbarian's sword and your wife was raped.  The US might take centuries to fall -- the Coasts might be engaged in a Balkan War while the hinterlands may peacefully hunker down.  But if you live in a suburb on the coasts, the collapse is personal and real, and the Macro account of things matters not at all.
But never fear says Sara, after all a few Cathedrals may survive as relics after being turned into Mosques and the public schools that survive may someday still be used as Madrasas.  See the United States didn't fall.  It changed. A fundamental transformation one might say.
The sophistry she uses to avoid dealing with the facts is sometimes flabbergasting.


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There is, I’m trying to tell you, an inertia to good things as well as bad.  As hard as it is to change society for the better, it’s also difficult to change it for worse.   Sure things can get worse, slowly and incrementally, but even with horrible management, with terrible presidents, with laws restricting our freedoms, your wealth won’t vanish overnight.

Unless your wealth was in a bank bail in , or forcefully invested in 30 year govt securities,  or MF Globalled... or simply in  stocks during a crash..  in which case, yeah, it was gone over night.

 
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Barring a cataclysm of epic proportions, you’re not even going to go back to the days of two tv channels, much less to the days of tube radio, or of no mass entertainment at all.

Yeah, that is first and foremost on my mind-- will I still have my ipad? Because if to do you can still buy and read Hoyt Science Fiction books! Its not bad if there still be bread and circuses! I mean, lets concentrate on what is important here.
I mean, as long as the collapse is televised, everything just hasn't gotten that bad. Matter of fact it can't be considered "bad" until we are building radios from stone knives and bear skins. 

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  Barring a cataclysm of epic proportions, computer programmers won’t become farmers.  Barring a cataclysm of epic proportions, instead of really a lot of small cataclysms and difficulty obtaining things, you’ll find that you’re better off in a somewhat suburban community near the city, where you can get the best of both worlds than in the middle of nowhere, where there are no jobs and food is hard to come by, unless you grow it yourself.Look, things are going to get worse.  We are so rich you might not notice it for a while.  It’s more a matter of less new stuff, fewer vacations.  Then they’ll get yet worse.

Because in Wiemar Germany all of the food produced was immediately sent to the cities for consumption. I mean its not as if during the great depression crops never got shipped because transportation and distribution costs made it unaffordable for most when it reached the cities. Nope. Never happened.
Science fiction writers  just sat in their apartments and spent their huge paychecks on whatever food they wanted. Programmers had nice steak dinners.

Because a war  elsewhere in the world could never disrupt the shipping of oil or of all of the container ships from elsewhere.  If the "things" you are having difficulty obtaining are foodstuffs,  then  it is not a small problem.  Suburbs are inefficient - lots of car travel, products delivered to a more distributed based of customers and so on..   -  and as economic get worse, fewer and fewer people will be able to live in them- and fewer products will go out to them as the population declines. Need proof? Its called Detroit.   There are no 3rd world "middle class" suburbs, because suburbs of their nature are made viable only because of cheap fuel and safe roads.  I agree a remote compound may not be the best idea,  but suburbia  isn't going to be a good idea.  Its going to go from not having vacations to not having coffee  over the course of years and not decades.  Because that is what happened in Argentina. That is what happened in Venezuela. That is what happened in Wiemar. That is what happened in Zimbabwe.  And she gives not reasoning at all for her timescale other than the US is "rich" in material goods. But when you can't afford to run the A/C , or you can't commute to your job safely without being stopped and mugged, you aren't all that rich anymore, are you?  If you need fuel and food, then your life depends on the prices of food and fuel - even if you own a mansion and its entirely paid off ( don't forget those property taxes! )
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In the seventies, we stopped baking at all, unless it was someone’s birthday because baking used too much fuel.  Even for birthdays, things like “pancake cakes” where you fried each layer on the stove top started being popular, because less fuel.  VISUALIZE having to consider how much gas/electricity you’re using to cook a meal and adjusting your lifestyle accordingly. There’s a long way for the US to even get to that, much less to compounds and growing your own food, and shooting intruders.

Unless there is an EMP launched by North Korea , in which case this happens tomorrow morning.    Inflation running at even 20%  a year would  have you adjusting your lifestyle in this way within a year.  If you think that is a "long way"  then okay. But the society relies on just in time delivery of almost everything, and that is made possible by cheap fuel and cheap food. And prices can change rapidly in response to any number of black swan events.


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Yes, I know, you’re going to say “what happens when the welfare checks fail?”  Supposing that happens, instead of them just being diminished or devalued?  The recipients will prey on their own neighbors and riot.  And then they’ll die. Most of what we’re seeing about Venezuela, which is a LOOOOOOOOONG way from where we are (yes, richest country, blah blah, yeah, sure but FAR more uneven than here) is about the POOR.  My family there which is anti-Chavez and solidly middle class is AT MOST being inconvenienced.  Sometimes they can’t find what they want in the store; the choice is smaller; they have to contrive. The black market starts figuring BIG in everyone’s life.

Got that?  its just an inconvenience that you can't find food without going to the black market and paying an ever greater share of your earnings on it..  Its inconvenient that you might get mugged, robbed or killed dealing with the black market .   But hey, that doesn't mean it will be you. It might just be your neighbor they torch and leave for dead burning  the street. They have to contrive because they are middle class and have the materials on hand  to do that - until they run out of materials, and then they will be "poor"  - because socialism is poverty spread equally.   But I used a word like "inconvenient"  to describe this, so  it can't be that bad. And even if its only "inconvenient" now - won't it simply get worse day after day? Just because you aren't deep in the thick of it now, does that mean you will still be immune 3 years from now? Five? 

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But isn’t there a lot more crime?  Well, yes.  There has always been, also the idea that crime is caused by poverty is a Marxist thing.  Crime is caused by criminals and people constitutionally not inclined to obey the law.

Which is now 1/3 - 1/2 of the people in the United States.

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If I understand Venezuela (and I claim no more knowledge than what I overheard from relatives, then policing was always like in any Latin country, dependent on bribes and on “if you commit a crime but pay me” — that has just gone more out of control, as, I’d guess, the police become less zealous.

Yeah, like the military there are stealing goats because they aren't being fed. That sort of "less zealous"?


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BUT crime can be way worse before life dissolves.  People tend to imagine welfare recipients becoming destitute and descending on other neighborhoods.  This is not the way it happens.  The way it happens is that they mostly sit in place and lament and try to use their victimhood to get stuff (from charity, from politicians, from…) A few of them will spy targets of opportunity and strike, but that’s just an INCREASE in crime, not total lawlessness.  It means fences go up and people hire neighborhood security patrols.

Unless, of course, you are the one who got stabbed - in which case it "dissolves" quickly.  Again the Macro view - instead of realizing an individual is trying to make sure its not him getting stabbed and doesn't want to play Criminal Victim Lotto.  As the systems fail, the government is less able to provide for the people via handouts.. and will be forced to crime to survive -And Hoyt ignores her own point -- the people in other nations are far more used to privation. The emotions that will be in play here will be very different. Add the fact that Americans are heavily armed and divided - ideologically, by race, by gender, - every way Obama could think of to divide us, and that Obama is deliberately inflaming those grievances to the point where Americans don't agree on what a "boy" is. .. You will have incentives to "cleanse" your neighborhood of the "filth" - however that is defined in your neighborhood.


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Look, I’m not saying any of this is GOOD.  I don’t want a diminished future for my children and grandchildren.  I don’t want greater crime. I don’t want medicines and electricity and the comforts of civilization to be irregularly available.  And I definitely don’t want us to lose our freedom. Not only because that’s the real engine of our growth, but because it is our hope for a better future.

BUT what you’re imagining is not what’s likely to happen.  Compounds out in the middle of nowhere, as Ferfal pointed out, never work out.

Well no. Ferfal said they were vulnerable in ways people assume they aren't, and that the most rural and vulnerable were often attacked. Sometimes successfully. Sometimes NOT. They come with their own set of challenges.. and you need to consider if you can meet them ( If I had Billions, and I could move 30-40 families of like mind to a self sufficient compound with natural and artificial barriers to travel  then it might very well be a good idea.)

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Don’t quit your job and become a goat herder.  This is not the way to survive. If you can stay in place.  If you can’t, find a place where you can be safer and still keep your job/get groceries/etc.We’re more likely to get hit with what happened in Argentina, and is happening in Venezuela and Zimbabwe than with the “no two stones together” thing.  And the strategies are different.

Why do you suppose the troops stole the goat from the goat herder?  Because he stupidly raised a goat instead of sitting in an apartment writing novels  waiting for someone to kill the goat, package it and deliver it to the local supermarket? Why didn't those troops just steal goat meet from the supermarket then? Heck, why didn't they just buy it with their govt salaries?

No, don't grow your own food - just rely on your cozy expectation that the trucks will keep bringing food to your market and  that your stories will provide enough income to allow you to buy it. Its a Good plan.



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Your first priority should be to maximize your income or your wealth.  In collapses, it is the poor that suffer the most.
Your second priority is to make sure your home is safe, even if all it means is installing an alarm, getting another gun, or putting a bigger fence around your home, so you don’t make yourself a bigger target. Your third priority is making sure you’re safe.  This might mean guns, but self defense courses are also encouraged.  AND most of all being situationally aware. Your fourth priority is to have enough supplies laid by.  Not the world in supplies, but enough that you can survive a week or two of disruption. There are other things you can do, like lay by a supply of used gold and tradeables.

Because the things in Venezuela and Argentina ( which we are a LOOONG way from) only lasted a few weeks. Then everything was awesome.

Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on May 20, 2016, 11:36:17 AM
Yeah, should just cue up that cutie pie and her song...wait, no...please don't do that! 

Aside from some glaring obvious math problems as to timing and scale...she also as a bit of an optimistic bias which growing up in relative prosperity and safety can do that...

When real world conditions strike there will be many people suffering from a lack of common comprehension, knowledge and experience...some will freeze like prey before the predator, some will run with no thought of where or why...many will say "f**k!  I should have listened to so-and-so!"...I suspect Sarah might be muttering the latter...

Where Rome had centuries, we have decades...and many have passed...probably in the "we only have years" phase now...

Barbarians will come, many are already here...

Wealth is being plundered, squandered and destroyed at breakneck pace...

The opportunities to escape are few, survival strategies should be in play now, not later...later will be too late and too late could be around the corner any minute now (and it could be your corner or a bunch of corners!)...the list of things that can go wrong is legion, the Ruling Elites are doing all the wrong things to prevent it and are in fact doing everything to hasten it, the populace grows both more numerous and more stupid and clanish by the second...enemies are gathering, enemies are here and more enemies are coming...

Stay dangerously myopic and foolishly naive...at your own risk...and expect no sympathy for making bad choices...m'kay, darlin'?
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Glock32 on May 20, 2016, 11:39:05 AM
I have observed one thing about the pollyannas and self-professed "cooler heads."  They're engaging in psychological damage control.  When you look at the state of civilization, when you look at the sequence of events that evince a certain and deliberate trajectory, you have two ways of wrapping your head around it:

1. You can acknowledge that evil is afoot and has been heretofore unopposed, that it is allowed to consolidate its grip because of inaction on our part, and by implication that inaction is due to a combination of naivete, ignorance, laziness, and cowardice, etc.

2. Or you can devise rationalizations for how it's not really all that bad, that it's more the result of the random ups and downs than the concerted efforts of malevolent interests, that we just need to Keep Calm and Carry On, and just make sure we help the Republicans hold on to the House and things will get better.

The first choice requires one to confront uncomfortable truths about oneself.  We're comfortable, we're lazy, we're cowards.  Far better to take the rationalizing second approach, and effectively absolve oneself of responsibility for why things continue as they are.  If you acknowledge a threat exists, that means you can no longer plead ignorance and at that point your inaction can only be due to fear/cowardice/laziness.  Since that is an admission to be avoided, then just refuse to acknowledge the threat.  And hey, while you're at it go ahead and claim that makes you more rational and "with it" than those simpletons sounding the alarm.  Bonus!
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on May 20, 2016, 11:49:07 AM
All that sh*t goes out the window once the alarm sounds though!

And that's the point! 

I'll bet she has a home alarm system, I'd ask her "why?", after all, everything is fine...what makes you think anybody is targeting you?  What are you affraid of?  Why are you so irrational and fearful?  Can't you just be nice and accomodating to all people?  Why so judgemental and anti-social?  Do you hate other people?  Why are you so evil?

 ::pokeineye::

 ::evil::
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Alphabet Soup on May 20, 2016, 03:11:00 PM
"Or I could be entirely full of shyt"

Funny how pollyannas never say that...
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 21, 2016, 07:29:48 PM
$170 Hamburger is an "inconvenience"  I mean just stop eating Hamburger right?

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A hamburger sold for 1,700 Venezuelan bolivares is $170, or a 69,000-bolivar hotel room is $6,900 a night, based on the official rate of 10 bolivares for $1.

But of course no merchant is pricing at the official rate imposed under currency controls. It's the black market rate of 1,000 bolivares per dollar that's applied.

But for Venezuelans paid in hyperinflation-hit bolivares, and living in an economy relying on mostly imported goods or raw materials, conditions are unthinkably expensive.

Even for the middle class, most of it sliding into poverty, hamburgers and hotels are out-of-reach excesses.

"Everybody is knocked low," Michael Leal, a 34-year-old manager of an eyewear store in Caracas, told AFP. "We can't breathe." (https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuela-where-hamburger-officially-170-184605711.html?ref=gs)

Sure glad Hoyt's relative are able to make do eating dirt instead of hamburger, after all Its just an inconvenience.

But the Mass entertainment! That is still there right? No radios made out of stone knives and bears skins right?

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Jaimes lives with his family of seven, and tries to get by on a monthly salary of 35,000 bolivares -- in reality, around $35.

That sum is too paltry for him to even think about dropping into the cinema upstairs in the center, where tickets are 8,800 bolivares.

If somehow he could, he'd find the same sort of entertainment being shown in American multiplexes: "The Jungle Book," "Captain America: Civil War," and "Angry Birds."

But motion pictures and popcorn, while maybe an enticing diversion, are luxuries Venezuelans these days can ill afford

So yeah, Ms. Hoyt, you can relax. Its still there.  People just have to choose between watching  a couple hour movie and eating.

But - hey there are still electronics to entertain us right?

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In Chacao, a middle-class neighborhood in the capital, office workers lined up outside a nut store to buy the cheapest lunch they could afford. Nearby restaurants were all but empty.

Superficially it looked like the center of any other major Latin American city: skyscrapers, dense traffic, pedestrians in short sleeves bustling along the sidewalks.

But look closely and you can see the economic malaise. Many stores, particularly those that sold electronics, were shuttered.

Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on May 22, 2016, 10:52:09 AM
There's that word again...malaise...Progs the world over create it and call it "progress", all it breeds is the seeds that eventually destroys itself. Unfortunately a lot of misery and death has to happen in the interim.
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 24, 2016, 08:40:51 AM
And what does FelFal have to say about Venezuela? (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-23/understanding-societal-collapse-warnings-venezuelas-crisis) Ms. Hoyt?

Oh right, it can't happen here because America's currency  and prices are made stable   by "wealth"
There is after all a lot of "ruin" in a country.  Of course, the amount of possible ruin  has nothing to do with the rate at which ruin can be created.

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    For the average "middle class" person in Venezuela -- educated and still holding on to a good job -- he needs two years of wages to buy a single plane ticket in his own currency. He needs to work for two full years to buy one single plane ticket -- he's stuck there. The problem is that he waited too long to leave. That's something important that I write about often: You have to know when to leave. You needed to leave Venezuela at least three or four years ago; now you’re getting to the point where you’re stuck there. The official exchange rate between the USD and Bolivar is 1 to 10, but unofficially which is the real one you experience,  is more like 1 to 1,000. So they basically are starving you to death through a completely devaluated currency which is what you’re getting paid in.

 Basically need to find ways of leaving the country by any means possible. What I would do if I was in Venezuela right now is I would leave on foot. I would leave any way I could, because it’s not safe. I know people that have killed people surviving Venezuela, I actually know guys that had to do that to live. You can't even find some land and grow your own food. You cannot do that when you have the government stealing it from you. It’s a no win situation.

FerFal is basically  saying get out before it goes bad is your best survival strategy. I  still don't think that will be a viable opion when the dollar collapses and 1/4 of the worlds market disappears.  The US is "too big to fail"  - which of course why everyone goes along with the slow roll collapse. But no one is going to take up the slack, and Americans will not be welcomed anywhere.

He says you won't win by trying to keep your farm.  Again it comes down to taking as many as you can with you. Its almost certain to turn into a civil  war if the govt starts trying to take farms and businesses by force.   
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on May 24, 2016, 11:22:19 AM
I'm not stuck, I'm merely a pre-positioned freedom fighter! 
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Glock32 on May 25, 2016, 12:42:38 AM
Fran Poretto also noticed her article, and commented on it (http://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com/2016/05/a-friday-assortment.html)
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on May 26, 2016, 07:08:22 AM
Get a load of this...

http://komonews.com/news/local/downtown-seattle-hit-by-major-power-outage (http://komonews.com/news/local/downtown-seattle-hit-by-major-power-outage)

...oh, the horror! 

 ::ohno::

Wait till it goes dark, like everywhere...for a good long time...

It'll be fugly.

But hey, all is well...it's not like anything like that can happen here...
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Glock32 on May 26, 2016, 09:14:54 AM
Barbarianism always lurks just below the surface of men. You only need the slightest disruption to see it come out.  In Katrina the storm winds hadn't even finished before barbarians were already on the prowl.

I find it funny (well, not really) that Europeans are now clamoring to obtain firearms in response to their governments importing a barbarian army.  They ridicule our American gun culture, but then they suddenly get a taste of what it is like to be in danger and defenseless.  Thank God for our 2nd Amendment.
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on May 26, 2016, 11:54:01 AM
I'm actually a bit surprised nobody in the Prog-Media has referred to the Germans wanting to arm themselves to fend off the invading Islaminals as a bunch of in-bred redneck racist bastards.

Maybe they have and I ignored it along with most everything else they spew...or they just haven't gotten around to it yet...

Either way this illustrates the disconnect between libiot false reality and actual in-your-face reality.

In the end the lies of the Progs are always exposed.

Call me bad names...and watch it have the opposite effect they intended.

Molan Labe.
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 27, 2016, 09:46:42 AM
And  its Urban Farming to the rescue (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article79422092.html)

But I am sure only the poor are growing their own food.  I am sure the Sci-Fi writers in the burbs still buy their groceries like normal.
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Weisshaupt on June 06, 2016, 04:26:21 PM
Venezuelan Woman inconvenienced by being shot in the face (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-06/venezuelan-woman-shot-face-after-500-looters-storm-food-warehouse)
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on June 07, 2016, 07:05:59 AM
Oh, shot by the police...well as long as the socialists enforcement specialist was safe and returned to his family intact all is well, eh?

Yeah, another thing that could not ever happen here...

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Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Weisshaupt on June 08, 2016, 08:06:14 AM
1/2 of Venezuelans inconvenienced by eating less than 3 meals a day and are forced to pick through trash heaps (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/5ee6b03daee141c3b89d419ecadcc7fa/venezuelans-pick-through-trash-food-eat-or-sell)

Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on June 08, 2016, 08:17:15 AM
Hmmm....sounds like the death spasms of the socialist utopia...umm...Hoyt a bit, eh?
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Glock32 on June 09, 2016, 04:39:07 PM
From the comments section at the original article:


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drdog09 | May 20, 2016 at 2:29 pm |

When the USD loses its reserve status your world will change Sarah. That .99c can of corn will cost $3 overnight. Why. There are three times as many USD in foreign markets than are in the US. When it all floods home prices will rise instantly.

    accordingtohoyt | May 20, 2016 at 3:06 pm |

    yes, and? That’s precisely the type of “slow slide” I expect. Have you seen prices in Europe and compared them to salaries. THAT’s what I’m talking about.


Tripling of food prices is more inconvenience.
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Glock32 on June 09, 2016, 04:58:45 PM
The main thrust of her argument seems to be "the USA is incomparable to any other examples, such as Argentina or Venezuela, because American ExceptionalismTM.  You doom mongers just have a weird apocalyptic fetish."

To that I say, guilty as charged.  I admit it.  I do want a collapse of sorts.  I don't know any other way that civilization might be freed of its infectious agents.  What is the alternative in Sarah's world?  That Third World immigrants and homegrown FSA soldiers will eventually tire of Leftism, and come around to their senses?  That "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" will suddenly cease to be our national fiscal policy?  And that, somehow, it will cease to be fiscal policy without precipitating the sorts of things the "doom mongers" warn of?
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Weisshaupt on June 09, 2016, 06:28:35 PM
From the comments section at the original article:


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drdog09 | May 20, 2016 at 2:29 pm |

When the USD loses its reserve status your world will change Sarah. That .99c can of corn will cost $3 overnight. Why. There are three times as many USD in foreign markets than are in the US. When it all floods home prices will rise instantly.

    accordingtohoyt | May 20, 2016 at 3:06 pm |

    yes, and? That’s precisely the type of “slow slide” I expect. Have you seen prices in Europe and compared them to salaries. THAT’s what I’m talking about.


Tripling of food prices is more inconvenience.

The woman is delusional.   when prices change  overnight, its a "slow" slide,  presumably because  she thinks the can of corn will still be available on her store shelves, and her writing is really really good and will still sell in a world where everyone's food bill ( and presumably - everything bill) just jumped 300%.

Yes, Europe is ahead of us on the curve and only has not collapsed because the US has been bailing their banks out as well via Dollar swaps. - oh ,now we pay as much as Europeans do for their food. Its no biggie, European society hasn't collapsed. Now put on your Burka, hon, we are going out and we will visit Greece, Italy and Spain,  where the elderly are starving because they can't even collect their pensions so that can buy that can of corn..

I think its cute she thinks people's wages will increase in kind. Te govt will just raise the minimum wage and more people will supplement with food stamps.. only those will drive still more dollars home. Its not a 300%  increase once. its 300%  a YEAR, and anything the government does to"help" - price fixing, welfare etc will only make the problem worse. 

But say she was right - A long slow slide into the third world is still a slide in the the third world. Obviously something tat doesn't bother Ms.  Hoyt in the least - because she thinks its 30 years off, instead of 10. Oh well, she can find out the hard way .









Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on June 10, 2016, 07:06:16 AM
The main thrust of her argument seems to be "the USA is incomparable to any other examples, such as Argentina or Venezuela, because American ExceptionalismTM.  You doom mongers just have a weird apocalyptic fetish."

To that I say, guilty as charged.  I admit it.  I do want a collapse of sorts.  I don't know any other way that civilization might be freed of its infectious agents.  What is the alternative in Sarah's world?  That Third World immigrants and homegrown FSA soldiers will eventually tire of Leftism, and come around to their senses?  That "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" will suddenly cease to be our national fiscal policy?  And that, somehow, it will cease to be fiscal policy without precipitating the sorts of things the "doom mongers" warn of?

It's choosing the long drawn out death in some (heh) pollyannish hope that somehow we'll all survive...vs forcing the issue earlier.  What she fails to realize is she is acquiescing the demise of what was at one time legitimately ExceptionalTM for something much less desireable in which all most certainly will not survive.  In a nutshell she is part of the problem not part of the solution. 

To Weisshaupt's take above, she obviously thinks a turd world America is better than trying to fight for something better.  I'll bet dollars to doughnuts now she realizes her error when it is too late...but by then I will not want to collect the bet in dollars because the doughnuts will be worth more.
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Weisshaupt on June 10, 2016, 01:09:23 PM
.but by then I will not want to collect the bet in dollars because the doughnuts will be worth more.

There will be a whole case of donuts available.. but no bread.
I am still reeling from the idea that 300% inflation is "slow" , or that she thinks that somehow Americans, most of whom are living paycheck to paycheck and believe they are entitled to a whole slew of goods and services,  will easily adjust to "overnight" 300%  increases in fuel or food.



Yes,  Americans spend proportionally less on food than most other countries (http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2013/03/daily-chart-5 (http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2013/03/daily-chart-5))
and yes that is part of the "whole lot of ruin in a country" Hoyt talks about. But at the same time 75%  of Americans live Paycheck to paycheck (money.cnn.com/2013/06/24/pf/emergency-savings/)

So what are they spending money on? (http://www.thesimpledollar.com/a-look-at-the-average-american-budget-and-how-the-average-american-can-start-saving-more/ (http://www.thesimpledollar.com/a-look-at-the-average-american-budget-and-how-the-average-american-can-start-saving-more/))

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From that amount, they spend $9,004 on transportation, $6,602 on food (of which $2,625 is spent at restaurants and $3,977 is spent on food eaten at home), $5,528 on insurance and pensions, $1,604 on clothes, $2,482 on entertainment, $17,148 on housing, $3,631 on health care, $1,834 on cash contributions (donations and legally required spousal and child support), and $3,267 on other expenditures.

The average household in this picture consists of 2.5 people, of which 1.3 are earning an income. An average household owns 1.9 vehicles and 63.7% are homeowners.

So how would an overnight ( 24 hours - to a few months)  300% inflation rate inconvenience this average family?

Rassmussen says  most people eat out once a week -  ) http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/july_2013/58_eat_at_a_restaurant_at_least_once_a_week (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/july_2013/58_eat_at_a_restaurant_at_least_once_a_week))  so  obviously they stop doing that.  Lets say people eat out 1.5 times a week on average. With 2.5 people in your family, each eat out meal costs about $36 per household, while an at-home meal is around $4.  So if you stop eating out ( now setting up pressure on those businesses to fail..and their employees left wageless)   you can buy 9 more meals,  3 more days , but not eating out.  But now that $4 meal is $12-- and you need to spend $13104 on food.

Your wages haven't caught up - and you need to find an additional  $6502 in your spending to just eat  for the year. Well, cut out entertainment. No Cable. Not theaters. No sporting events.  Now you need $4020.  Well cut out that Miscellaneous category. Now we are just short $753.

Maybe that comes out of the $9004 you spend  on transportation - because you don't have a job anymore? You can sell the second 0.9 of a car anyway .
But how much of that $9004 is fuel? 

According to BLS  (http://www.bls.gov/news.release/cesan.nr0.htm (http://www.bls.gov/news.release/cesan.nr0.htm))  which looks to be the source of the above articles' numbers.. Gas and motor oil come to $2611 or so, so a 300%  increase there means you need $7833 - or an additional $5222 a year just in Gas

Well, maybe you need to sell that 0.9  of a car and take fewer trips - you know, assuming you could car pool or don't have a second person that also needs to get to work. But you can't move into the city to eliminate a car completely - part of Hoyt's premise here is that the Burbs are the place to be! So selling that first car

The average gas consumed per vehicle is around 525 (http://www.autonews.com/article/20150325/OEM06/150329911/average-u.s.-gasoline-usage-lowest-in-3-decades-study-says (http://www.autonews.com/article/20150325/OEM06/150329911/average-u.s.-gasoline-usage-lowest-in-3-decades-study-says)) and like workforce participation, that is below 1984 levels.  Average gas price since the 1900 has been $2.36 in adjusted dollars. (http://inflationdata.com/articles/inflation-adjusted-prices/inflation-adjusted-gasoline-prices/ (http://inflationdata.com/articles/inflation-adjusted-prices/inflation-adjusted-gasoline-prices/)) - and Gas just went up 300%  as well.   SO to fill the single  car you have left for a year?  $3717 - so an additional $1100  over what you used to pay for the "convenience" of two cars. But hey there is an additional $500  you get back form car insurance, so total amount over  is closer to $600. 

Then clothes - for adults they are optional, but Kids pretty much need them.  But lets say you cut back  buy and buy 1/3 of what you used to--. Clothing is a wash.

The Personal insurance and pensions category  is about the only place to steal from now.  Oops - sorry,  the BLS puts Social Security in  this category  which makes up about 75%  of the expense.  http://www.valuepenguin.com/average-household-budget.. (http://www.valuepenguin.com/average-household-budget..) but hey,  there is still $1000 to get from here if you forego life insurance for your family  in an ever more dangerous world.

So with one car, no entertainment, no assorted miscellaneous goods ( read  entropy expenses.), no eating out, no life insurance,    and foregoing new clothes you are just getting by.   Housing is probably a fixed price - mortgage is 30 year or you have a lease.  Insurance - Mandated by the government! - is $2200 or so but if you don't get sick, or just refuse to visit the doctor,   you can probably have around $1000 a year of discretionary income.

After all its all just an "inconvenience" - you are still eating. You still have a roof over your head.  Its a slow slide.

Only  this isn't over in a year.  As the restaurant and entertainment industries fail ( because people can't afford them)   how many more people are added to welfare rolls? http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_table_201.htm (http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_table_201.htm) -- Just taking Retail  and leisure out results in 27 Million people unemployed - probably in that first year ( and that is assuming prices simply stay stale after that 300% increase)  - and will the government up the EBT payout to keep with inflation? If so, you are driving  even more printed money directly into circulation. Fail to pay enough however, and you will get the mass riots and societal breakdown - especially in the inner cities.  This of course begins the supply chain problems that prevent food from being delivered to the burbs. Wages will not rise commensurate with inflation , because so many are seeking work. They may even fall ( unless the government steps in to price fix)

It is also very unlikely that  there would be a 300%  increase and then stable prices.  The underlying factors driving the 300%  increase have no been addressed.  The government is still printing and spending.  You would be very likely to see increasing inflation on top of that initial 300% increase, until the system utterly collapses with more "inconvenience." The end result  - within years  of the initial and sudden increase, is a world in which very little is produced, and nearly 100%  of everyone's budget goes to food.  If you are a farmer and your government isn't stolen from you via Government force or gangs,  you actually are somewhat immune to the price increases, and though fuel is costly you can charge even more for food when it matures and goes to market to make up the difference.   In Wiemar, farmers made out fairly well.  IN Venezuela the military is seizing goats to eat them, so  maybe being a goat herder has some value if one can keep their goats safe from military action.  And that will bring us to the 300 million armed people in a desperate situation  and inevitable war "thing" 
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on June 12, 2016, 04:13:47 PM
It is also very unlikely that  there would be a 300%  increase and then stable prices.  The underlying factors driving the 300%  increase have no been addressed.  The government is still printing and spending.  You would be very likely to see increasing inflation on top of that initial 300% increase, until the system utterly collapses with more "inconvenience." The end result  - within years  of the initial and sudden increase, is a world in which very little is produced, and nearly 100%  of everyone's budget goes to food.

Yup.

Then comes North Korea style cuisine...
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Weisshaupt on June 13, 2016, 08:15:29 AM
Daily riots, and people swarming food trucks before they arrive at market... who could have predicted it? (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-12/violent-riots-and-looting-are-now-daily-occurrence-venezuela)
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on June 13, 2016, 11:17:49 AM
Pah!  What vile propaganda is this?  Surely such an occurrence cannot happen in a civilized 21st century socialist utopia where the people come first?!

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Weisshaupt on June 14, 2016, 08:57:36 AM
without social media to aid it, barter might be an inconvenience (http://www.globalpost.com/article/6775953/2016/06/13/venezuelans-barter-diapers-food-smartphones)

I love how the article  pretends that oil prices caused the crisis - no mention of socialist policies, nationalization of industries or price fixing, but tey are careful to make it known business is at fault

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Maduro blames the crisis on an "economic war."

He accuses business of hoarding goods to provoke unrest in the hope of toppling his government.

Article also claims 80%  of food staples are in short supply.  Not that they are in sort supply in the cities and not in the burbs. But go on Hoyt. Enjoy your slow slide of inconvenience. After all - its not a "real" collapse until you are sitting around a campfire burning lumber from your home, wearing animal skins and using stone knifes to hunt. Until that happens its just an "inconvenience"
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Weisshaupt on June 14, 2016, 09:31:13 AM
Because getting shot is an "inconvenience" (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-13/how-venezuela-food-protest-turned-deadly-police-gunfight)

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The state prosecutor's office is investigating the deaths of a 21-year-old man in eastern Sucre state on Saturday, another 21-year-old man in the Caracas slum of Petare on Thursday, and a 42-year-old woman in the western state of Tachira last Monday.

All three suffered gunshot wounds during chaotic scenes outside supermarkets, which have become a flashpoint for violence and looting amid scarcities of basics across the South American OPEC member country, according to local rights group Provea.

But hey look:  http://www.abasteceme.com/index.html (http://www.abasteceme.com/index.html)

So  there are only ten or so products that this app finds, so maybe the shortages aren't "that bad" unless you need those products.
Diapers are not listed.



Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on June 14, 2016, 11:21:40 AM
The inconvenience will continue...

We're still a step behind...the "New Normal" conditioning phase...we'll get there soon enough thanks to statists, cronies, progs, freesh*tters etc...

Well...if the Islaminals don't get us first...
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: benb61 on June 14, 2016, 05:16:44 PM
If they can't afford food, how are they paying for the cell phone/smart device service??
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Weisshaupt on June 14, 2016, 11:09:27 PM
If they can't afford food, how are they paying for the cell phone/smart device service??


Couldn't find a good answer.  ( But this was interesting -http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-22/iphones-as-hard-to-find-as-dollars-in-venezuela-during-oil-slump)

and this ( https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-net/2015/venezuela (https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-net/2015/venezuela)) which says

"As of May 2015, however, 4G options were still limited to Digitel and Movistar and only available in a few cities. Most mobile subscribers still opt for a low bandwidth option (1 to 1.5 Mbps) because, at 3.5 percent of the minimum wage, these plans are almost half the price of mobile 4G plans,[41] which cost approximately 6 percent of the average monthly minimum wage.[42]  "

Which leads me to believe its # 5 of the possibilities below

1) they aren't
2) They share a single phone or use internet cafe or govt provided means of access (government does run largest ISP)
3) They do it at work ( don't you?) if they still have a job
4)  they have a fixed price contract not subject to inflation
5)  The government has priced fixed the cost of access to something affordable and since only big companies do cell  phone service , its easy to enforce.

But yeah,  if its cheap enough the phone becomes a survival tool. Call for help. Locate good and services. General information.  I think most of us would give up an internet connection only when we had to - even in a teotwawki situation - besides you can use them to do heart surgery in a black out

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4e6qlw/heart_surgery_made_in_venezuela_yesterday_with/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4e6qlw/heart_surgery_made_in_venezuela_yesterday_with/)

Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on June 15, 2016, 07:03:41 AM
Definitely #5, but #2 too, there has to be a lot of poaching going on...
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Weisshaupt on June 19, 2016, 04:21:48 PM
Good news, only 87%  of Venezuelans are inconvenienced with being unable to afford food! (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/20/world/americas/venezuelans-ransack-stores-as-hunger-stalks-crumbling-nation.html?_r=0)

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A staggering 87 percent of Venezuelans say they do not have money to buy enough food, the most recent assessment of living standards by Simón Bolívar University found.

About 72 percent of monthly wages are being spent just to buy food, according to the Center for Documentation and Social Analysis, a research group associated with the Venezuelan Teachers Federation. In April, it found that a family would need the equivalent of 16 minimum-wage salaries to properly feed itself.

meanwhile, outside of town...
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Down the coastal road in a small fishing town called Boca de Uchire, hundreds gathered on a bridge this month to protest because the food deliveries were not arriving. Residents demanded to meet the mayor, but when he did not come they sacked a Chinese bodega.

One would think in a "fishing town" there would be fish to eat.

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esidents hacked open the door with pickaxes and pillaged the shop, venting their anger at a global power that has lent billions of dollars to prop up Venezuela in recent years.

“The Chinese won’t sell to us,” said a taxi driver who watched the crowd haul away all that was inside. “So we burn their stores instead.”

Mr. Maduro, who is fighting a push for a referendum to recall him this year over the country’s declines, said it was the political opposition that was behind the attacks on the stores.

“They paid a group of criminals, brought them in trucks,” he said on Saturday on television, promising compensation to those who lost property.

At the same time, the government also blames an “economic war” for the shortages. It accuses wealthy business owners of hoarding food and charging exorbitant prices, creating artificial shortages to profit from the country’s misery.

It has left shop owners feeling under siege, particularly those who do not have Spanish names.

Hey Hawk, you changed your name when you emigrated right? Might want to do that if not.








Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on June 20, 2016, 08:18:56 AM
Oh man, that last quote made me chuckle...the freesh*tter mentality will die hard...

I heard the police down there are guarding bakeries, how Soviet is that?

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Weisshaupt on August 05, 2016, 08:15:53 AM
More inconvenience..

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AILBAG: From longtime Instapundit/VodkaPundit reader Max Kohnke:

    This is not a joke nor even an exaggeration. I just found out that my sister in law’s other brother-in-law was arrested in Venezuela at the airport while trying to leave the country. His crime, he was an employee for a company that went out of business. Waiting for more? There isn’t any. Maduro has decreed that any business that goes out of business has committed economic treason and its employees are subject to arrest. They had already arrested numerous owners and managers but this is the first time they went after rank and file worker bees.

Yep, forced labor in the fields, soldiers confiscating meat from shops,  and starving people.  But I bet those middle class  people in the burbs are doing just fine.
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on August 05, 2016, 08:32:58 AM
Jeesh.  What sheep.  How hard can it be for a bunch of them to break into a poorly guarded dilapidated armory get a bunch of guns and start shooting these assholes?  Candy-asses!  Hard to feel sorry for them, eh?
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Weisshaupt on August 11, 2016, 07:15:20 PM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-11/venezuela-has-one-choice-capitalism-or-chaos (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-11/venezuela-has-one-choice-capitalism-or-chaos)

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I dream of a supermarket with fully stocked shelves. That usually happens after a long day of standing in line in the sun at a store, hoping for a delivery truck to arrive. Coffee and milk became luxuries for me a few years ago, but the really scary scarcity — of things like bread and chicken — hit my middle-class home at the beginning of this year. There was a week when I had to brush my teeth with salt.”

But Sara Hoyt promised that the middle class would only be "inconvenienced"
Ah, well, no one is killing them, so  not eating, standing in line when you should be working, and sporadic toothpaste is just an inconvenience.


Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on August 12, 2016, 05:15:11 PM
Sheeple have been conditioned to accept new and lower standards of living...everything is downgraded to merely an "inconvenience"...until it is no longer available at all, especially when needed the most.

Hilarious.  Might as well cue up now for the gallows.
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Weisshaupt on March 01, 2017, 09:42:24 AM
And now, finally, Hoyt comes to the realization that, no,  there isn't a political solution

https://accordingtohoyt.com/2017/02/28/upside-down/

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’ve talked about this, and the necessity to build under, build around, build over to take the weight of the structures that aren’t working.

But it wasn’t until this weekend and the conversations about last week that I GOT it.  It’s not just government.  If it were just government, it would be easy.  But the same stick hitting politics is hitting EVERYTHING from Hollywood to your local grocery store.  A lot of it is still being done the way it was ten years ago, sure, but that is probably incompetent, delusional, and quite likely hurting the business.

I know the establishment of publishing is mostly running around with its head in a sack, insisting it’s still night.  Their extended modified hangouts when from “Amazon is just a bookstore” to “Ebooks are inconvenient and the readers are expensive, it will never catch on” to “Ebooks are a thing of the past” (!) to now “those puny little indies aren’t threatening us, it must be people are reading less.  Red staters are so teh dumb.”

Know what else is a thing of the past that you make similar excuses for Ms. Hoyt? The Dollar.

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This means that the leaders appear incompetent.  Really incompetent.  Crowds smell fear, like any wild animal.  The other things crowds do is notice failure, and the collapse and insanity of the press makes it hard for them to hide it.

Eight years ago people were sensing something was wrong.  Hiring Obama was part of this.  He was the dream-boat of the Marxists and everyone had been educated to believe Marxism (even when they weren’t told the name) was the way of the future.  I mean, it’s right there on the tin “progressive.”  It must be progress.  He had the education, he didn’t have experience in government but the media burned its last shreds of credibility to convince everyone he was a deep thinker.

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But what it means in practical fact is that it’s fueling a vast tide of “populism”.  We can see that the people who are supposedly smarter and in charge really don’t get US much less the changes in what is happening around them.  They’re not taking things in account, they’re lost.  They don’t know what to do.

Let’s hope this tide is not a blood tide, though it will be, in some places, at some times.  It always is.  Man is a fighting ape.

That that mean you acknowledge that the "general f**kupedness" (to use  the approved grammar of your site)  is now exceeding the point where you feel blood will be the result? Gee Ms. Hoyt that seems pretty bloodthirsty of you - pointing out that the tyrants and their supporters will die  when the people realize the emperor has no clothes.

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Because the confused and shell-shocked elites have started fighting back.  This is most obvious after the elections, and in politics, but it’s happening at all levels.  And because they don’t know why things are failing, they’re starting to get paranoid. There’s going to be a lot of deplatforming and politics of destruction ahead.  And that leads very easily to politics of physical destruction.

Be prepared.  Think about the future as well as you can.  This is difficult, on account of the future hasn’t happened yet, and there’s things you’ll not take in account and things that will go wrong.  Sure.  But you’re plenty smart enough to keep a step or two ahead of destructive change.  Most of us are.

You aren't one of them though. Everything is fine with your relatives  in  Venezuela, right? After all there is a lot of ruin in a country.  Here is the future Sarah : Those frightened elites are going to start a war overseas, and in trying to force the American people into fighting a war they don't want overseas they will spark a civil war here at home. During this the dollar will collapse, and its demise will be blamed on our enemies and not the economically disastrous polices that liberals have imposed. At that time, no one will have money to buy science fiction, and you will have to find other pursuits.  Learned any other skills yet? Maybe you should get on that  Miss "Smart enough"

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Most industries/institutions/polities won’t get this.  You must try to save what you can from the wreckage, but be aware, too, that we’re about to go upside down.

Be ready for it.  Be prepared.  Don’t lose your way.  We’re going to need all the people who can think through this, plus some, to avoid a blood letting that will make the French Revolution or the American Civil war look like tea with the parish ladies.

Keep your head, keep your sanity.  Be not afraid

Welcome to the club of blood-thirsty seers.
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on March 01, 2017, 11:56:59 AM
Some people are just slower than others...
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on May 30, 2017, 12:25:26 PM
The Four Horsemen...Statists, Kabukinomics, Jihadists & Sheeple...

(http://tpc.pc2.netdna-cdn.com/peoples_resource/image/42584-4horsemen.jpg)

Everything should be fine, eh?
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on March 18, 2018, 03:23:40 PM
This is good, Kurt is a good guy, he sees things clearly...and while he cannot say some things outright in his position there is little doubt whose side he is on.

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/03/12/why-democrats-would-lose-the-second-civil-war-too-n2459833

Pretty much agrees with previous discussions we've had on this subject...unless the Neo-Fascist Left and their co-conspirators and enablers can corner the Liberty-cherishing people in confined target boxes for mass extermination using chemical, biological or nuclear weapons We the Free People can never be defeated.

Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 04, 2018, 10:18:21 AM
And Polyanna Hoyt is back..

https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/you-say-you-want-a-revolution/


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And I know history. Let’s suppose that outrages against liberty started at the beginning of the twentieth century (they didn’t.  They started with the Republic.) Why haven’t we had a revolution yet, gosh darn it?

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The last civil war we had ended with the loss of states' rights (yes, I know that wasn’t what was really being fought over. But that’s part of what we lost) and set Washington on its path to power and aggrandizement.

Funny, I am pretty sure that is what the men of the South THOUGHT they were fighting over.  You say you know history huh?

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Heck, even with the first American Revolution, some people believe that the fuse of wishing to get rid of monarchy had been burning ever since the 1688 “Glorious Revolution” in England. I am not wholly convinced by this idea, but it is defensible, and if true, that fuse burned for almost a hundred years.

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As for the outrages committed against our liberty and the rule of law since the beginning of the century and how they should have forced us into revolution: it doesn’t work that way.

For one, because those outrages were much worse than anything going on now. Reading up on the presidency of Woodrow Wilson makes Obama’s attempted power grabs look puny. FDR, too, could have given Obama a run for his money.


Hey-- when was Wilson Elected?

Of course Polyanna here thinks that we have them on the run...

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There might be time for a revolution. A great change in technology often causes that. The spate of revolutions from the French to the American Civil War, to even Russia, were the end spasms of the Industrial Revolution.

But let’s hope we don’t have one. Let’s hope we can recover liberty without one. It’s possible. We’ve been doing it. We’ve been doing it enough to scare the agents of the ancient regime.

By the way Sarah, how are your family in Venezuela? Still doing fine? The Crisis still ridiculously overblown? Still a lot of ruin left in that country?

 This woman simply never learns.



Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on May 04, 2018, 06:06:24 PM
For most there is no better teacher than experience (i.e.-first hand reality)...for those it may be too late.

Oh, and run this past Little Miss Muffet...let me know the response.

https://anepigone.blogspot.com/2018/05/concluding-thoughts-on-haters-ball.html?m=1

My answer is not a one of those 3 things will happen...so...WAR!
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on June 05, 2018, 08:02:35 PM
http://coldfury.com/2018/06/03/getting-sporty/ (http://coldfury.com/2018/06/03/getting-sporty/)

Yup.
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Weisshaupt on June 28, 2018, 09:07:03 AM
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ME, I’VE BEEN GETTING A BAD FEELING ABOUT THIS, AS WELL:  http://thedeclination.com/when-will-the-other-shoe-drop/ (http://thedeclination.com/when-will-the-other-shoe-drop/)
 
Posted at 2:30 am by Sarah Hoyt
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Pandora on June 28, 2018, 11:18:18 AM
Oh?  What was her first clue?
Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on June 30, 2018, 02:29:01 PM
Somebody hit her in the head with the shoe?

Title: Re: Pollyanna Hoyt
Post by: Libertas on August 16, 2018, 10:57:45 AM
Seems like all the shat is gathering before the great fan of life, eh?

The DeepState coup against Trump continues.

The assault upon Founding Principles continues in every facet of daily life.

The perfidy of the Goebbels Media marches on.

Anarchists and terrorists hailed as heroes and liberty-loving victims deemed criminals.

Patriots murdered and criminals let loose.

Borders breached and invaders embraced while laws are scoffed and reviled.

Women and children raped and God-given rights demonized and criminalized.

Hate speech ruled civil and truth demonized as hate.

Mindless extremists willing to risk global thermonuclear war just to bury their own treason with foreign elements...as long as their enemies are destroyed.

Elites orchestrating global financial kill-switches in every sector of commerce.

Demonic souls funding anarchists to foment violence and hate.

My unease and irritation grows with each passing assault on what is left of our Liberty.

Letting murderous FBI goons off.  When does it end?  How much longer can it continue?

I don't think there is much time left, events from any and all quarters can explode and cascade any day.

This guy is definitely in a vile hive (https://forwardobserver.com/how-can-we-prepare-for-domestic-conflict/), but any who are aware of him and his companions know they are organizing and preparing.

And despite Trump in the White House (who can only try to affect Federal policy and action) we are under constant attack by all levels of government whose people conspire with or parallel to extremist Bill of Rights hating groups funded by elites around the globe, medical professionals, educators,
 lawyers and jurnolists (http://jimbovard.com/blog/2018/08/10/gun-owners-should-fear-the-deep-state/).  The DeepState has never been more desperate and we can thank Trump for highlighting their actions and players as well as whistleblowers that manage to get something out before they are victims of Arkancide, and they have a ton of minions they can exploit should the battlespace expand.  And it sure seems like they are interested in exapnding it.

Prepare yourselves accordingly...like it is 1859 on steroids.