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Topics => World/Foreign Affairs => Topic started by: Libertas on March 25, 2019, 12:31:22 PM
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics/russian-air-force-planes-land-in-venezuela-carrying-troops-report-idUSKCN1R50NB?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=twitter (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics/russian-air-force-planes-land-in-venezuela-carrying-troops-report-idUSKCN1R50NB?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=twitter)
I wonder if any of those on board will be training the hit squads going after Rufusniks like Juan Guaido or will they be doing to the wet-work themselves?
::whatgives::
Anyway...beware Russian's offering aid...
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Big mouths in the US govt/sate dept have threatened military action against VE.
So the VE govt invited in the Russians with their S300 AA missiles.
I think it is 100 troops.
I think everything the US govt touches turns to sh*t.
I think anything the US govt does in VE will end badly and we will own the mess.
We will get blamed for their own mistakes.
They voted in commies.
Look what we did in Libya.
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Big mouths in the US govt/sate dept have threatened military action against VE.
So the VE govt invited in the Russians with their S300 AA missiles.
I think it is 100 troops.
I think everything the US govt touches turns to sh*t.
I think anything the US govt does in VE will end badly and we will own the mess.
We will get blamed for their own mistakes.
They voted in commies.
Look what we did in Libya.
Sorry, but "we" didn't do anything in Libya -- they - TWANLOC - did.
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^ This!
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Ok, we did not do anything in Libya, the US govt did. The MSM is silent on the damage we did to Libya for no good reason. That is to protect Obama and Hillary. The UK House of Commons wanted to know why Britain did the damage to Libya in 2011. They wrote a report in 2016.
There was no good reason.
https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/foreign-affairs-committee/news-parliament-2015/libya-report-published-16-17/ (https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/foreign-affairs-committee/news-parliament-2015/libya-report-published-16-17/)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/14/mps-deliver-damning-verdict-on-camerons-libya-intervention (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/14/mps-deliver-damning-verdict-on-camerons-libya-intervention)
https://www.salon.com/2016/09/16/u-k-parliament-report-details-how-natos-2011-war-in-libya-was-based-on-lies/ (https://www.salon.com/2016/09/16/u-k-parliament-report-details-how-natos-2011-war-in-libya-was-based-on-lies/)
I never thought I would conclude that Ghaddafi was a good guy or the US was a force for evil in Libya but now I do. Sue me.
Trivia: I read two books on the French conquest of Morocco and the Sahara. Military history. The author said that the new sultan was chosen based on a combination of military prowess and religious piety. It helped to be descended from Muslim holy men. If you were a little crazy that helped because it meant you were closer to God (Allah). I thought of Ghaddafi.
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Ok, we did not do anything in Libya, the US govt did. The MSM is silent on the damage we did to Libya for no good reason. That is to protect Obama and Hillary. The UK House of Commons wanted to know why Britain did the damage to Libya in 2011. They wrote a report in 2016.
There was no good reason.
https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/foreign-affairs-committee/news-parliament-2015/libya-report-published-16-17/ (https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/foreign-affairs-committee/news-parliament-2015/libya-report-published-16-17/)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/14/mps-deliver-damning-verdict-on-camerons-libya-intervention (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/14/mps-deliver-damning-verdict-on-camerons-libya-intervention)
https://www.salon.com/2016/09/16/u-k-parliament-report-details-how-natos-2011-war-in-libya-was-based-on-lies/ (https://www.salon.com/2016/09/16/u-k-parliament-report-details-how-natos-2011-war-in-libya-was-based-on-lies/)
I never thought I would conclude that Ghaddafi was a good guy or the US was a force for evil in Libya but now I do. Sue me.
Trivia: I read two books on the French conquest of Morocco and the Sahara. Military history. The author said that the new sultan was chosen based on a combination of military prowess and religious piety. It helped to be descended from Muslim holy men. If you were a little crazy that helped because it meant you were closer to God (Allah). I thought of Ghaddafi.
You keep writing "we"; I think that word doesn't mean what you think it means.
Don't get defensive, p. and no, nobody's gonna sue you; we're all friends here, but we're going to keep the record straight, right?
There was a good reason for the damage done to Libya; it just wasn't *our* good reason and I believe there were no good guys involved; Gadaffi certainly wasn't, but he was defanged. (WE are not the govt., that's the State; we're the nation.)
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TWANLOC
Says it all.
As for Venezuela...not that I have to defend the government...but where's the beef my friend?
"Governments" pop off at the mouth all the time...words are swell, words are wonderful and I like words...but words don't mean jack squat without action. Other than freezing assets and suspending imports of oil the US government hasn't done a damn thing in-country...the US government has no boots on the ground...
And to be perfectly fair and honest...most all "governments" turn everything "to sh*t". It's what they do well. Russia is no different. I say again...Russia in no different. They are driven by greed, power and ego...just like any other flawed human-led government...we can quibble over degrees...but in the end it is just that...quibbling. Tally up both sides of everybody's ledgers...their overall score on the useless and dangerous scale will be pretty damn close...it's only the outliers, the worst of regimes that comparisons start to generate differentiation.
It's a concept those extreme Russophiles and cult of personality PaulBot types like at Zerohedge that simply cannot conceive of any other government on the planet being worse than America (and people keep invading us to live here...because it sucks so much!)...which is obviously insane...there is no Eden, no Shangri-la. The Good Book says to put away childish things...a lot of people struggle with that concept.
And the old "invited" angle doesn't fly...Moscow is 6,176 miles from Caracas...they have no strategic interest there, it violates even the Putin Standard of the right of first invasion of neighboring sovereign nations in the name of that sh*t belongs to us...Washington DC is just 2,053 miles away and hasn't invaded...Russia was also "invited" to Afghanistan, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia...that all worked out well. Venezuela is a client state, calling it an invite is like saying banging a prostitute isn't cheating on your wife...
Russia deploys troops and 35 tons of cargo...
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2019-03-25/russia-deploys-troops-equipment-to-venezuela (https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2019-03-25/russia-deploys-troops-equipment-to-venezuela)
America's fault! Yeah, tHugo and Maduro's socialist junta paradise had zip to do with it.
Blackouts, blackmarket and black days...America's fault!
https://news.yahoo.com/blackout-hits-swaths-venezuela-including-caracas-193309849.html (https://news.yahoo.com/blackout-hits-swaths-venezuela-including-caracas-193309849.html)
Horror, fear, despair and looting!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/26/venezuela-maracaibo-power-electricity-looting (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/26/venezuela-maracaibo-power-electricity-looting)
Goddamn Americans!
This "disturbed society" is all America's fault!
I guess that's why people are chanting "freedom!" and saying it was a mistake to go down the socialist road and surrender their guns to the benign government...America made them do it!
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I'm sure Russia will fix all of that, no price to be paid...and the people will live prosperous and happy lives forever and ever!
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U.S. President Donald Trump on Wednesday called on Russia to pull its troops from Venezuela and warned that "all options" were open to make that happen.
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/trump-tells-russia-to-get-its-troops-out-of-venezuela/
Heh! Just what the Rooskies said to Obama when he stupidly put boots in Syria!
This other shoe/foot thing is a hoot! ;D
Bad, evil Imperialist Russian dogs!!!
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Wow, do the people know their tyrannical socialist overlords just tied more necks and handed the ropes to their erstwhile Russian saviors?
Venezuela's deputy foreign minister Ivan Gil said on Thursday he does not rule out that more Russian military personnel may arrive in Venezuela under agreements already concluded with Russia, Interfax news agency reported.
The deputy minister also said Russian forces will stay in Venezuela as long as needed, and that there is no set period for their stay.
"The group of military specialists is (in Venezuela) in the context of our agreements and contracts for military-technical cooperation," Interfax quoted Gil as saying.
Earlier the Kremlin said Russian military specialists are in Venezuela to service pre-existing contracts for the supply of Russian arms.
http://news.trust.org/item/20190404095809-d5vel (http://news.trust.org/item/20190404095809-d5vel)
It's just business and the business centers around murder, oppression, lies and oil. And business is bangin', eh?
All Hail the Great Russia-Venezuela Future!
::bus::
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Last I checked, the Monroe Doctrine is still in place.
The Rooskies have had a woody for getting a foot hold in South America for as long as I can remember. Of course...they aren't the threat they used to be.
A Carrier Group hovering near by will get Putin's attention long enough to send a SEAL team in there to speed Maduro to that great "Collective" in the bowels of Hell.
We'll then see how ole Vlad handles that pooch screw!
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Frankly I'd like to see Pootie waste time, money, resources and people there a bit...then slink home with shyt to show for it! :D
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I remember hearing that JFKerry, as Sec'y of State, 'cancelled' the Monroe Doctrine.
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I would like that saggy-faced feces-hurling rich-widow-chasing fool to either marshal all of his Ivy League powers and explain how Manifest Destiny can be cancelled...or he can cancel himself. Obviously I do not think him capable of a sensible answer on the former and am looking forward to the latter.
Teaser - How does one un-toast bread?
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I remember hearing that JFKerry, as Sec'y of State, 'cancelled' the Monroe Doctrine.
Well...it wouldn't surprise me if he attempted to put it on hold so as to advance Obozo's agenda of surrendering America's interests to her enemies.
Monroe's Doctrine of preventing a European influence from taking hold in the Americas was sound policy then....and is still sound policy today. Perhaps even more so today than in the past.
Although...I must admit that our excursions into South America have not really worked out well. But ...most of our exposure to South America has been more defensive than anything else...in our attempts to preserve the Monroe Doctrine. I blame those damned Spaniards! But...alas...the damage was done long before Monroe was even born.
It would make so much more sense to defend the purity of a native population in South America, rather than one which had been partially modernized through the rape and pillage by the Spanish. The Spanish did the same damned thing to Cuba...and let us not forget Mexico!
They stole their gold, enslaved their people, raped their women...and then got the Hell outta Dodge! All they left in their wake was their language and a mongrel race of lazy and corrupt people.
This is why that, every time we insert ourselves there, it ends up as some epic Pooch Screw! It ends up a pooch screw because we keep making the same mistake of trying to re-invent them as a modern Western Style democracy and it blows up in our faces.
The Rooskies couldn't care less about re-making them into anything. They'll just steal their wealth, enslave their people, rape their women and then head off to their next conquest....while leaving the country-side sprinkled with inter-continental ballistic missiles pointed straight at us!
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I remember hearing that JFKerry, as Sec'y of State, 'cancelled' the Monroe Doctrine.
Well...it wouldn't surprise me if he attempted to put it on hold so as to advance Obozo's agenda of surrendering America's interests to her enemies.
Monroe's Doctrine of preventing a European influence from taking hold in the Americas was sound policy then....and is still sound policy today. Perhaps even more so today than in the past.
Although...I must admit that our excursions into South America have not really worked out well. But ...most of our exposure to South America has been more defensive than anything else...in our attempts to preserve the Monroe Doctrine. I blame those damned Spaniards! But...alas...the damage was done long before Monroe was even born.
It would make so much more sense to defend the purity of a native population in South America, rather than one which had been partially modernized through the rape and pillage by the Spanish. The Spanish did the same damned thing to Cuba...and let us not forget Mexico!
They stole their gold, enslaved their people, raped their women...and then got the Hell outta Dodge! All they left in their wake was their language and a mongrel race of lazy and corrupt people.
This is why that, every time we insert ourselves there, it ends up as some epic Pooch Screw! It ends up a pooch screw because we keep making the same mistake of trying to re-invent them as a modern Western Style democracy and it blows up in our faces.
The Rooskies couldn't care less about re-making them into anything. They'll just steal their wealth, enslave their people, rape their women and then head off to their next conquest....while leaving the country-side sprinkled with inter-continental ballistic missiles pointed straight at us!
Yeah...point that out to them, ask them why they speak the conquerors language and not their own, ask them if they are comfortable with being raped and pillaged why it matters who is assaulting them?
I would argue our problems the last hundred years is that we were too nice to them.
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This WaPo authored dreck illustrates the utter batshyt crazy TDS crap that we've all come to know and despise...to buy this level of BS one must first be an incurable idiot (like a democrat) or malignant spreader of lies!
With Venezuela in flames, China and Russia are seeking claims in the rubble.
But the United States has been caught flat-footed, and the Pentagon is struggling to develop ways to blunt the countries' influence in Latin America since President Donald Trump has antagonized and distanced himself from nations in the Western Hemisphere.
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Yet experts said those efforts and others are in opposition to pressure and rhetoric from the White House, which has made significant demands to Latin American nations to curb migration and drug trafficking without offering much in return - all while ceding influence and support that Russia, and particularly China, have been happy to take over.
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"The Trump administration's policy has supercharged China's increased presence in the region," said Benjamin Gedan, former National Security Council official under the Obama administration and a senior adviser to the Latin American program at the Wilson Center, a Washington think tank. "It's entirely counterproductive."
For years, China and Russia have sought more influence in the Western Hemisphere, but are increasingly emboldened to bolster their economic and security positions in South America, Central America and the Caribbean.
https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/article/Trump-soured-relations-in-Latin-America-China-13782596.php (https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/article/Trump-soured-relations-in-Latin-America-China-13782596.php)
A perfect combination of gratuitous Trump-bashing and Obama-fellatio, the FakeNews Daily-Double!
Nobody emboldened China and Russia more than Obama, nobody! Nobody kissed the ass of socialist regimes like Cuba, Venezuela and China like Obama, nobody! Nobody bent over farther for Islamo-fascist regimes like Iran (now nuclear!) and Pali-Terror State like Obama, nobody!
Trump has restored effective relations with Columbia, Brazil and others...while Russia and China have sought only exploit failing regimes like Venezuela.
This kind of propaganda should result in good old fashioned tar & feather parties!
There is a reason for Obama worship...
(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/46034-_tmp1.PNG)
H/T-TPC
Damned cultists!
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Some newer videos from VE from Max Blumenthal. I have not watched them all.
I have no idea who this guy is. I don't trust him ....
He blames 'speculation' and 'capitalism" and 'hoarding.'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGpjIeQ3I98 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGpjIeQ3I98)
https://youtu.be/WfD-7_kXs9E (https://youtu.be/WfD-7_kXs9E)
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Well...he is a known leftist and even Wiki acknowledges his leftist leanings and affiliations, so...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Blumenthal
...I'll ignore whatever he spews.
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Rumor has it Maduro was ready to bail but the Russians convinced him to stay.
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Bwuuuhaahaaa! And they'll kick him off the skids to the rabid crowd clawing at him from below as the last diplomats and advisors helo off their embassy roof!
::hysterical::
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I watch The Duran on youtube. According to them 1/3 of VE supports Maduro, 1/3 want him gone but not enough to do anything, and 1/3 really want him gone in a hurry. This guy the US backs never got elected to anything. IMO it is not a clear mandate for invasion. They say the 1/3 are peasants who never had anything and now have something thanks to Chavez so they support the govt.
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Well, we haven't invaded...some there may argue the Russian's have...or they know Maduro is their puppet...either way the US doesn't have to do much...there is enough critical mass already...and Maduro loyalists obeying unlawful orders to run over their citizens should impel things.
But this allegation (while not the first) is unverified (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8977662/russia-nuke-missiles-venezuela-cuban-missile-crisis/) represents the kind of escalation that is as dangerous as it is stupid...and could invite all manner of unfortunate outcomes.
I can't believe Putin would be that reckless but desperate people can and do batshyt crazy things. Another thing to hang around the necks of the demonazi's who've set US-Russia relations back 60 years!
And this Gringo Empire (https://www.breitbart.com/latin-america/2019/05/01/venezuela-maduro-speech-guaido-uprising/) stuff, did El Jefe come up with that all by his self? LOL! Anyway...at least Guaido has the support of legislature and therefor the people...doesn't the MFM crow about popular support = democracy all the time? Folks ought to be riding this bandwagon!
Besides, Guaido is a transitional figure, if these people are allowed to shake off the rot of socialism and be truly independent and not anybody's puppet they'll have to figure it out...but Russia cannot afford loss of hegemony over any of their pals, no matter what despot might be at the helm, so the chance looks dicey without some help from somewhere else...
Meanwhile...military is told defectors will be dealt with harshly...how does he think those following unlawful orders will be dealt with by the people?
(https://media.breitbart.com/media/2019/04/venezuela-armored-vehicle-getty-screencap-640x480.jpg)
https://twitter.com/i/status/1123255787403530243 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1123255787403530243)
We'll see if Maduro, his loyalists, the Russian advisors, the 20k Cubans and sundry mercenaries escalate against the people or just try to hang on and wait things out.
At this point I think all the US has to do is embargo the nation and support logistically (non-lethal) in-country rebels...and let neighboring friends support (with lethal) them.
Oh, let us not forget about Mr. Sanctions -
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/20170213_El_Aissami_Lopez_Bello_Network.jpg/800px-20170213_El_Aissami_Lopez_Bello_Network.jpg)
Sums up my opinion and what POTUS should do -
And the USA? Well, I was appalled by how the Obama misadministration handled Venezuela. We were in full retreat; we rarely if ever responded to the attacks, insults, and lies hurled at us by that criminal regime. We allowed Chavez/Maduro to challenge us in our Hemisphere, and did little about it. Trump has handled it much better with his targeted sanctions, tough honest talk, and, of course, by unleashing our own energy potential, a fact that is undermining not only the crooks in Venezuela but in Russia and Iran, as well.
I do not want to see US military intervention in Venezuela. It would be a mistake. The challenge posed by the disaster in Venezuela is more for Colombia, Brazil, and others in the region than for the USA. We should encourage the Latin Americans, who seem finally to have woken to the calamity that is Venezuela, to handle the situation. Let them intervene if they want, not us. We should be ready to help as part of an international humanitarian effort, but that's it--with one exception, see below. The last thing we want is to own this mess.
Russia? Well, they stand to become the big losers in all this. If the Maduro regime goes down, it is not at all clear that Russia (or China) will get back their huge investments and loans. Even more important for the Russians, a collapse of Venezuela will unravel what remains of the Soviet play in Latin America. Can Nicaragua and Cuba be far behind?
This brings me to the one exception of my rule of no US intervention mentioned above. Aside from humanitarian assistance, our great contribution can be to make clear to the Russians and the Chinese that they must stay out; they cannot try to run the game in Venezuela; if they do they will face consequences from us.
Best of luck to the people of Venezuela.
https://www.thediplomad.com/2019/04/venezuela-socialism-poster-boy.html (https://www.thediplomad.com/2019/04/venezuela-socialism-poster-boy.html)
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This is good -
MSNBC reporter Kerry Sanders unwittingly made the American case for the Second Amendment during a report Tuesday on the political upheaval in Venezuela.
Anchor Andrea Mitchell introduced Sanders for his report by commenting on the surprising ability of Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro to stay in power, despite the pressure on him to step down.
“Not only hanging on but he appears to still control the military,” Sanders said. “You have to understand, in Venezuela gun ownership is not something that’s open to everybody. So if the military have the guns, they have the power and as long as Nicolás Maduro controls the military, he controls the country.”
https://www.weaselzippers.us/419376-msnbc-report-on-venezuela-inadvertently-makes-case-for-second-amendment/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/419376-msnbc-report-on-venezuela-inadvertently-makes-case-for-second-amendment/)
Yup...pretty certain neither Sanders, Mitchell or any progtard watching and hearing that crap really understands what was just said.
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A nice recap of the (as TPC would say) march into the Glorious World of Next Tuesday -
(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f323187671d6aca83fe99c5f4fc9423ecd4a54ff668df8a035ab228ebe887027.jpg)
...and the morons will say "...but they didn't do socialism right!" as they are marched to gulag, mass grave or oven...
YCFS!
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Bwuuuhaahaaa! No Pay? Adios Amigos!
https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-a-blow-to-maduro-russia-withdraws-key-defense-support-to-venezuela-11559486826 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-a-blow-to-maduro-russia-withdraws-key-defense-support-to-venezuela-11559486826)
::hysterical::
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Left on their own, what do socialist thugs do?
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/08/01/venezuela-socialist-death-squads-targeting-opposition-activists/ (https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/08/01/venezuela-socialist-death-squads-targeting-opposition-activists/)
Order the goons to slaughter people of course!
SSDD (same shyt different dictatorship)
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/venezuela-captures-two-american-mercenaries-involved-failed-invasion-attempt (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/venezuela-captures-two-american-mercenaries-involved-failed-invasion-attempt)
Uhh huh...
https://twitter.com/JackMurphyRGR/status/1257495056254197760 (https://twitter.com/JackMurphyRGR/status/1257495056254197760)
::hysterical::
Yup. A load of socialist BS.
Try again.
Somebody is desperate to draw attention away from their murderous regime...