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Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: AmericanPatriot on June 01, 2011, 10:20:56 AM
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Seventeen months from the 2012 election, the Republican presidential field is unsettled in the extreme. Mitt Romney, the supposed conservative, was considered a liberal four years ago before his miraculous transformation – but he still has Romneycare on his resume. Ron Paul’s vision is a bit problematic, to say the least — as Michael Medved has documented; he thinks the president shouldn’t have authorized the killing of Bin Laden, that heroin and cocaine should be legal, and that prostitution is constitutionally protected. Newt Gingrich has spent the last two weeks destroying his conservative following, running desperately for the center in an attempt to claim that empty middle ground as a McCain wannabe. Tim Pawlenty is now being outpolled by Herman Cain. Even Thad McCotter, a wonderful Congressman but an unfeasible presidential candidate in his current position, is considering a run.
The candidate sucking all the air out of the room, of course, is Sarah Palin. Palin has made no secret of the fact that she is considering a 2012 run – she would “crash through” any of “open doors” that would lead her to the White House, she said back in 2008. Next month, Palin’s campaign will likely kick off with the release of Steve Bannon’s The Undefeated, a documentary reviewing Palin’s accomplishments in Alaska. “The film is a call to action for a campaign like 1976,” Bannon said to RealClearPolitics. “Let’s have a good old-fashioned brouhaha.”
This week, she’s beginning a bus tour across the country. Tim Crawford, treasurer of Palin’s PAC, explained that Palin was embarking on the tour “Because she wants to see how this nation was built and get fired up about that.” Or, more realistically, Palin’s embarking on the tour because she’s softening the ground for her big announcement, which will likely come on July 4. Palin’s not one for subtlety – that’s her drawback, and that’s her charm.
Will it prevent her from winning?
Current polls have her trailing President Obama badly, by 17 percent according to Public Policy Polling. That same poll shows Obama beating Gingrich by 14 and Romney by just 7. Even more disturbing, the poll shows Palin’s favorability ratings dramatically underwater, at 30 percent. PPP is a Democratic-stacked poll, but these are bad numbers nonetheless.
Oddly enough, Palin is polarizing even within the Republican Party. Seven percent of Republicans who know her strongly dislike her, compared with just 5 percent for Gingrich. The only Republican who ranks lower among Republicans overall is Gingrich, at 29 percent to her 27 percent. By the same token, she blows away the rest of the field in terms of name recognition and favorability (71 percent). In urban areas, Republicans fear that she’s not sophisticated enough (false), that she’s prone to gaffes (true), and that she’ll be blown off the stage by Barack Obama (unclear). In rural areas, Republicans love her because they’re not put off by her accent or her corny tics.
The question is whether in this election, Americans will be put off by Palin’s winking more than they’re attracted to her clarity. Palin’s strength is her glibness – she’s able to boil down issues to their bare essence. She knows how she’s seen, and she embraces it. She’s purely authentic – when she says she wants Gretchen Wilson’s “Redneck Woman” as her cellphone ringtone, she’s telling the truth. In this way, she’s the polar opposite of President Obama, who loves to obscure issues in a cloud of rhetoric and faux complexity, and who is purely inauthentic. He runs from the fact that he is an ivory tower elitist, alienating Americans with his upturned chin and “into-the-future stare.”
For all the criticisms of her supposedly rough political abilities, she’s navigated the Republican field far more ably than seasoned politicians like Gingrich and Romney. She hasn’t declared, and she’s already running second. She didn’t shoot herself in the foot by embracing liberal politics, and she allowed Donald Trump to play stalking horse on the birth certificate and school records issues. She has never thrown a fellow Republican under the bus (she has praised Romney, Herman Cain, Gingrich, and virtually everyone else who has declared), and she has never promoted a non-conservative candidate for higher office.
She knows her base, and she knows her principles. She smacked Obama on Israel last week with brevity and simplicity: “Anyone who studies history, studies the Old Testament, studies geography understands that Israel now is surrounded by enemies at all times. It should be now that America takes a stand in defending our friends in Israel …. More than ever, we should be standing strong with Israel and saying, ‘No, you don’t have to divide Jerusalem, you don’t have to divide your capital city.” Then she went even further: “I’m going to call him our temporary leader because my goal is to make sure that President Obama is not reelected in 2012.”
It’s that kind of absolute willingness to go after Obama that endears Palin to Republicans. And with Obama’s unpopularity on the rise, the economy in a double-dip, and our foreign policy in shambles, more and more Americans want truth spoken to power. That’s why, counterintuitive though it may seem, Palin may be perfectly positioned for 2012
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You betcha!
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::thumbsup::
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Temporary Leader, heh, I like that! Gotta start using that one!
As for these polls, I smell plenty of rats...I think there is manipulation to play up negatives in the GOP ranks (70% strongly dislike & 71% favorability) as well as playing up the RINO's in the field when compared to the Temporary Leader!
I am sooo effing sick of business as usual!
And all this RINO-courting and Palin-bashing...I smell the foul stench of The Butthead!!!
I personally would like nothing better than seeing Sarah run and trounce all comers! And if she does run and the Rovians deny her the nomination, I hope she runs as an independent and tell the Ruling Class bastards their time of taking real conservatives for granted is OVER!
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If she gets in she has my vote.....I know plenty of people who feel the same way.
Mr Cain seems to be the only other candidate I'd support....The rest carry a piece of baggage, turning me off.
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Not only do I think she cannot win , I don't believe she'll be nominated . I like Sarah personally but she has way too much going against her than for her . She should have run for the senate from Alaska when she had the chance which would have given her seasoning and some bona fides . If she does run it will be a huge waste of time and money .
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Not only do I think she cannot win , I don't believe she'll be nominated . I like Sarah personally but she has way too much going against her than for her . She should have run for the senate from Alaska when she had the chance which would have given her seasoning and some bona fides . If she does run it will be a huge waste of time and money .
All due respect, but being a senator does not give a candidate bonafides. In fact, it is an impediment. Senators don't do anything, but show up to vote, and then, when things don't work out like they had hoped, they form a commission to find out what went wrong. I'll take an exexcutive any day of the week. They have to make decisions and stand by them no matter what.
OBTW, did anyone mention that Sarah Palin has more executive experience than the rest of the field?
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I'd go with that. I'd take a successful governor and a successful businessman over a Senator, hell I'd take many congressmen over most senators...getting into the senate makes one tend to become even more of a DC autobot I think. At least young congressmen stand a better chance at holding onto their principles. Another reason (in a long list of many) why I would never get elected let alone chosen to run for senator, I'd go in there with the intent of lighting that place on fire...to hell with making friends! Lets start making sense, those who like that will be my friend!
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Temporary Leader Occupant - Leader associated with da wun is like calling a nyslimes story writer a journalist ,
heh, I like that! Gotta start using that one!
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Not only do I think she cannot win , I don't believe she'll be nominated . I like Sarah personally but she has way too much going against her than for her . She should have run for the senate from Alaska when she had the chance which would have given her seasoning and some bona fides . If she does run it will be a huge waste of time and money .
All due respect, but being a senator does not give a candidate bonafides. In fact, it is an impediment. Senators don't do anything, but show up to vote, and then, when things don't work out like they had hoped, they form a commission to find out what went wrong. I'll take an exexcutive any day of the week. They have to make decisions and stand by them no matter what.
OBTW, did anyone mention that Sarah Palin has more executive experience than the rest of the field?
Being a senator is what you make of it . The question of the thread is "Can Sarah Win ? " My answer is no , she can't win and won't receive the nomination . All I did was answer the question .
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If she gets in she has my vote.....I know plenty of people who feel the same way.
Mr Cain seems to be the only other candidate I'd support....The rest carry a piece of baggage, turning me off.
So who did you vote for in 2008?
I voted for McCain. Not that I wanted to but the alternative (not voting or *shudder* voting for Mr. Stupid) was not a real possibility.
Like you, I have serious problems with many in the field of Republican candidates (declared candidates and otherwise). But...I would vote for a dog over O'Bama. It just doesn't matter that much if the choice is between a Marxist committed to the destruction of the country as founded and anyone else. Anyone else will get my vote every time.
This will be an existential election. We will be voting for the nation's survival over its destruction. Even if a RINO ends up on the top of the ticket I will vote for them. It's that important. Our nation simply cannot endure another four years of this idiot.
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oh and I do think she can and will if elected.
for anyone to say she lacks experience and isn't qualified, I would point to the current occupant, he sure as $hit hasn't got any, and OJT isn't helping him a bit, but it is killing this country............
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Not only do I think she cannot win , I don't believe she'll be nominated . I like Sarah personally but she has way too much going against her than for her . She should have run for the senate from Alaska when she had the chance which would have given her seasoning and some bona fides . If she does run it will be a huge waste of time and money .
All due respect, but being a senator does not give a candidate bonafides. In fact, it is an impediment. Senators don't do anything, but show up to vote, and then, when things don't work out like they had hoped, they form a commission to find out what went wrong. I'll take an exexcutive any day of the week. They have to make decisions and stand by them no matter what.
OBTW, did anyone mention that Sarah Palin has more executive experience than the rest of the field?
Being a senator is what you make of it . The question of the thread is "Can Sarah Win ? " My answer is no , she can't win and won't receive the nomination . All I did was answer the question .
And Reagan couldn't win either. Until it was his time to win. Palin may have a time to win in her future. If the election were held today it most likely would not be her time to win. I would still vote for her but too many others would not.
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damnit Trap I hope you are wrong about a rino eventually being at the top of the ticket. I'd not be able to sit it out as much as I'd like too. To me that is tantamount to voting for the current totus........
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oh and I do think she can and will if elected.
for anyone to say she lacks experience and isn't qualified, I would point to the current occupant, he sure as $hit hasn't got any, and OJT isn't helping him a bit, but it is killing this country............
I think she could win, too. Just not today.
In another year she might be able to pull it off. The deciding factor for people who today hold a dim view or her may completely change with different circumstances. A worse economy would be a big factor for an "anyone but O'Bama vote." $6/gallon gasoline or worse might do it. A string of successful terrorist attacks might do it. Double digit inflation might do it. Or any combination of these and/or other factors might cause people who otherwise don't think she can do the job to vote for her out of sheer desperation.
This election is O'Bama's to lose and, so far, he is doing everything needed to give just about anyone (all but the brain dead base) very, very good reasons to vote for anyone on the other side of the ballot.
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oh and I do think she can and will if elected.
for anyone to say she lacks experience and isn't qualified, I would point to the current occupant, he sure as $hit hasn't got any, and OJT isn't helping him a bit, but it is killing this country............
I think she could win, too. Just not today.
In another year she might be able to pull it off. The deciding factor for people who today hold a dim view or her may completely change with different circumstances. A worse economy would be a big factor for an "anyone but O'Bama vote." $6/gallon gasoline or worse might do it. A string of successful terrorist attacks might do it. Double digit inflation might do it. Or any combination of these and/or other factors might cause people who otherwise don't think she can do the job to vote for her out of sheer desperation.
This election is O'Bama's to lose and, so far, he is doing everything needed to give just about anyone (all but the brain dead base) very, very good reasons to vote for anyone on the other side of the ballot.
Agreed, but it will take a spine and intestinal fortitude, and she's got bigger balls than just about any male that has declared to this point.
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damnit Trap I hope you are wrong about a rino eventually being at the top of the ticket. I'd not be able to sit it out as much as I'd like too. To me that is tantamount to voting for the current totus........
The electorate is primed for an outsider this year. The nomination is Cain's to lose, in my opinion. There are any number of ways and zillions of opportunities for him to blow it between now and the convention. He will have to blow it in two distinct ways: Not give people a valid reason to vote for him and commit a very, very bad and unrecoverable gaffe.
I still think he's a long shot but if ever there was a year when a true outsider could win this is it. Just having the Tea Party in the mix is a completely new variable that will have unforeseen consequences. Lots of interesting factors at work this time around and that's what I find interesting about politics on the national scale. Not boring. And the stakes couldn't be higher.
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damnit Trap I hope you are wrong about a rino eventually being at the top of the ticket. I'd not be able to sit it out as much as I'd like too. To me that is tantamount to voting for the current totus........
The electorate is primed for an outsider this year. The nomination is Cain's to lose, in my opinion. There are any number of ways and zillions of opportunities for him to blow it between now and the convention. He will have to blow it in two distinct ways: Not give people a valid reason to vote for him and commit a very, very bad and unrecoverable gaffe.
I still think he's a long shot but if ever there was a year when a true outsider could win this is it. Just having the Tea Party in the mix is a completely new variable that will have unforeseen consequences. Lots of interesting factors at work this time around and that's what I find interesting about politics on the national scale. Not boring. And the stakes couldn't be higher.
Cain~Palin........I'd love to see that ticket......and I'd pay a gazillion dollars if they could talk Mark Levin into being the press secretary for just one week..........
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Agreed, but it will take a spine and intestinal fortitude, and she's got bigger balls than just about any male that has declared to this point.
I think that her greatest value in the race will be to frame the debate...to push the envelope...to move the Overton Window. So even if she doesn't get the nomination she will still have had an impact. That's what "players" do. Even if the don't win they substantially affect the way the game is played out.
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I think that Cain has a better chance at the bottom of the ticket. We get the racist insurance that way and he gets OTJT for the big show. If I could pick the ticket today it would be Perry/Cain.
The office of the President NEEDS an executive. Perry is a sitting governor of a successful state. He is everything that O'Bama isn't. Cain would (again barring something bad coming out about him) be a near perfect veep candidate. I would pay good money to be at the veep debate with Cain squaring off against sheriff Joe.
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I also saw today that DeMint is mulling it over.
He doesn't want it and that's a good thing (in a way)
Also, Palin would never be #2 on a ticket again
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Speculation I heard: one of AZ's senators is vacating; Sarah may be making moves to run for his seat.
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I think that Cain has a better chance at the bottom of the ticket. We get the racist insurance that way and he gets OTJT for the big show. If I could pick the ticket today it would be Perry/Cain.
The office of the President NEEDS an executive. Perry is a sitting governor of a successful state. He is everything that O'Bama isn't. Cain would (again barring something bad coming out about him) be a near perfect veep candidate. I would pay good money to be at the veep debate with Cain squaring off against sheriff Joe.
APerry run would tickle my fancy and put Cain behind him. Sarah isn't going to run but she sure as hell can hel a hell of a lot. Put her in a post where she can get what she needs to win later.
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What do we lose if we elect a RINO?
We lose 32 czars, over arching authority of the EPA and Dept of Ed, not certain but I'm sure there are more Obamaisms we'll lose.
Go Sarah!
Go Herman!
Push 'em back, Push 'em back, Push 'em way back.
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Possibly the worst President in history and Palin can't win????? What does that say about our country.
If she can't win, we are screwed. We will allow the media, again, to choose our candidate, end up with another rino, push the ball down the road a few more years then bitch and complain over the rinos actions.
If she can't win, then we might as well flush conservatism......we will never fix this country. We will allow media types to choose for us forever because, there is always an excuse as to why the most feared conservative "isn't ready"..... I guess i'll grow accustomed to the euro trash lifesytle.
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Speculation I heard: one of AZ's senators is vacating; Sarah may be making moves to run for his seat.
God, I hope not. The Senate is like the Borg. She will be assimilated. I hope that her purchase of the house in Arizona is for logistical reasons--that it is easier to run a Presidential campaign if she lives in the lower 48 rather than way the hell out there in Alaska, which may as well be a foreign country. (Canada and Mexico really are foreign countries, and it is much easier to travel between them and the lower 48 than from Alaska.)
I'm late to this thread, so there are plenty of points to address. Historically, the Senate has never been regarded as a steppingstone to the Presidency. I found this site (http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/senators_became_president.htm), which lists 16 former Senators who eventually became President. I was surprised that the number was so high, but look at the dates. Most of them were Senators long before they became President. They served in other offices in between, such as Governor or Vice President. Only three have gone directly from the Senate to the Presidency: Harding, Kennedy, and Obama.
In 2008, three out of the four Presidential/Vice Presidential candidates were sitting Senators. That was unprecedented as far as I know. Palin, as a Governor, was more qualified than all the rest of them. Even at the time, I wished that she was at the top of the ticket. I happily cast my vote for her, not McCain.
So bottom line, the notion that she should become a Senator before trying for President is wrongheaded and ahistorical. She's already been a Governor, which is a more pertinent qualification.
With her optimism, her clear love of America, and her solid moral grounding, she is far and away the best potential Presidential candidate for 2012. As I've said before, she's the best we've got, and the future of America is on the line. It's time for a Hail Mary pass. If she can't win, then it may be time to move beyond the ballot box to the next box. It would be useful to clarify that.
And as I've also said before, my dream ticket is Palin/West. Allen West would give the ticket balance since he has some understanding of foreign policy and history, unlike Herman Cain. He is also under no illusions about the nature of Islam. Serving as Vice President for a term or two would of course prepare him for a future Presidential run.
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"The Senate is like the Borg. She will be assimilated."
::hysterical::
Funny but true, maybe not in Sarah's case, she'd probably be one of the few who could keep the Borg at bay, but as a general rule I think you may be right.
"If she can't win, then we might as well flush conservatism......we will never fix this country. We will allow media types to choose for us forever because, there is always an excuse as to why the most feared conservative "isn't ready"..... I guess i'll grow accustomed to the euro trash lifesytle."
I agree on the former, and it is why I discount such talk in our ranks as folly, it reeks of Rovian manipulation. You'll never know unless you try, right? Ronald Reagan was looked at by his peers in the GOP as an outsider, a maverick, an anomaly...who is to say Sarah is not of that mold? For the latter, I'll never get accustomed to the eurotrash lifestyle, so I'd go Galt and let the trash fight among themselves!
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Sarah in the senate (SIS), is great. Jim DeMint needs some strong allies.
Jim has been giving Mytch headaches, now Rand is causing him to use BC Powders, Sarah joins the group and they will start bringing us the relief we need.
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Ya know, my give-a-sht meter is busted at this point.
I just plain old, flat, don't care. She runs, she doesn't -- all the same to me. I'm done with worrying/speculating about her, him, him, him or her.
Pan out.
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Ya know, my give-a-sht meter is busted at this point.
I just plain old, flat, don't care. She runs, she doesn't -- all the same to me. I'm done with worrying/speculating about her, him, him, him or her.
Pan out.
There's that bad temper again. I'm worried about Gunsmith he might not even know about this. ::thinking::
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I wouldn't worry about that hogleg, it's that cast iron skillet that's the worry.
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I wouldn't worry about that hogleg, it's that cast iron skillet that's the worry.
And she has them in assorted sizes.He's such a nice man,too bad. ::praying::
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I wouldn't worry about that hogleg, it's that cast iron skillet that's the worry.
And she has them in assorted sizes.He's such a nice man,too bad. ::praying::
Aw, shaddap awready. You noticed his carry is bigger, nu? There's a reason fo' dat.
/When yer friends don't catch the paradigm ....... I swear....
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I wouldn't worry about that hogleg, it's that cast iron skillet that's the worry.
And she has them in assorted sizes.He's such a nice man,too bad. ::praying::
Aw, shaddap awready. You noticed his carry is bigger, nu? There's a reason fo' dat.
Sure there is he's nervous all the time. You can see the fear in his eyes when he looks at you.(BTW Nan thinks you're a hot sh*t and a damned smart cookie too.)
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I wouldn't worry about that hogleg, it's that cast iron skillet that's the worry.
And she has them in assorted sizes.He's such a nice man,too bad. ::praying::
Aw, shaddap awready. You noticed his carry is bigger, nu? There's a reason fo' dat.
Sure there is he's nervous all the time. You can see the fear in his eyes when he looks at you.(BTW Nan thinks you're a hot sh*t and a damned smart cookie too.)
Please tell your bride that the feeling is quite mutual. ::kissface::
You, though. *sigh* I dunno what we're go'n do about yew.
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I wouldn't worry about that hogleg, it's that cast iron skillet that's the worry.
And she has them in assorted sizes.He's such a nice man,too bad. ::praying::
Aw, shaddap awready. You noticed his carry is bigger, nu? There's a reason fo' dat.
Sure there is he's nervous all the time. You can see the fear in his eyes when he looks at you.(BTW Nan thinks you're a hot sh*t and a damned smart cookie too.)
Please tell your bride that the feeling is quite mutual. ::kissface::
You, though. *sigh* I dunno what we're go'n do about yew.
Do what the wife does,look and just shake your head. She's made a lifetime out of shaking her head till that vein in her forehead popps out and then the fun's over she's pissed.
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Possibly the worst President in history and Palin can't win????? What does that say about our country.
If she can't win, we are screwed. We will allow the media, again, to choose our candidate, end up with another rino, push the ball down the road a few more years then bitch and complain over the rinos actions.
If she can't win, then we might as well flush conservatism......we will never fix this country. We will allow media types to choose for us forever because, there is always an excuse as to why the most feared conservative "isn't ready"..... I guess i'll grow accustomed to the euro trash lifesytle.
I said she couldn't win today.
Reagan couldn't win in 1976. It took four years of Jimmy Carter to set the table for a Reagan landslide.
Bottom line: As miserable as things are they aren't miserable enough yet. O'Bama's personal approval rating is still over 50% That wouldn't be that way if we were at the point where ANYONE could beat him. And make no mistake, it's hard to beat an incumbent president (even a crappy one) when the media is in the tank for him.
But each day we draw a little bit closer to that point. Each day, Obongo gives America (or some segment of America) the finger and shoves a few more independents out of his camp and into ours. That has a cumulative effect. It's a war of attrition and President Dipsh*t is so enamored of himself that he just can't conceive that everyone else isn't too.
We have nine more months before the real primary season starts. A lot can happen in that time. And if recent history is any indication things are going to get a LOT worse for the average American while the Narcissist In Chief continues to golf most weekends, throw extravagant parties and fly in celebrity chefs to cook snacks for himself.
Palin may yet look more and more attractive as the time to the election draws ever closer. Who knows?
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Possibly the worst President in history and Palin can't win????? What does that say about our country.
If she can't win, we are screwed. We will allow the media, again, to choose our candidate, end up with another rino, push the ball down the road a few more years then bitch and complain over the rinos actions.
If she can't win, then we might as well flush conservatism......we will never fix this country. We will allow media types to choose for us forever because, there is always an excuse as to why the most feared conservative "isn't ready"..... I guess i'll grow accustomed to the euro trash lifesytle.
I said she couldn't win today.
Reagan couldn't win in 1976. It took four years of Jimmy Carter to set the table for a Reagan landslide.
Bottom line: As miserable as things are they aren't miserable enough yet. O'Bama's personal approval rating is still over 50% That wouldn't be that way if we were at the point where ANYONE could beat him. And make no mistake, it's hard to beat an incumbent president (even a crappy one) when the media is in the tank for him.
But each day we draw a little bit closer to that point. Each day, Obongo gives America (or some segment of America) the finger and shoves a few more independents out of his camp and into ours. That has a cumulative effect. It's a war of attrition and President Dipsh*t is so enamored of himself that he just can't conceive that everyone else isn't too.
We have nine more months before the real primary season starts. A lot can happen in that time. And if recent history is any indication things are going to get a LOT worse for the average American while the Narcissist In Chief continues to golf most weekends, throw extravagant parties and fly in celebrity chefs to cook snacks for himself.
Palin may yet look more and more attractive as the time to the election draws ever closer. Who knows?
I don't believe many independents are in obama's camp. I don't know what camp there in, but not obama's... I have no interest in his personal approval rating..... they are skewed towards democrat responses, like most polls concerning obama. I like a lot of people but I don't want any to be President.
Palin should look attractive because she is one of the FEW conservatives today. 3 years of obama has set the table and there are plenty of Americans who remember the carter years and believe this time in history feels eerily similiar..... So no need for anymore table setting. She is fighting on 3 fronts: rinos, libs and the media, so good press is out of the question. Funny thing, though, every time she has a rally, speaks, etc, thousands show up. I believe the makings of a landslide are already in place, put there by pelosi, reid, frank, CARTER and obama and company....in the smoke filled rooms of obama, the media and the rinos...they all know it, they ignore it and they are fighting....why she is taking so much damn flack. We conservatives seem to be the group having difficulty grasping the opportunity. I'm not sure why, it is there.
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So bottom line, the notion that she should become a Senator before trying for President is wrongheaded and ahistorical. She's already been a Governor, which is a more pertinent qualification.
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Woodrow Wilson , Franklin Roosevelt and Jimmy Carter also went from governorships to the presidency . To consider them pertinently qualified is also "wrongheaded" and "ahistorical" .
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Possibly the worst President in history and Palin can't win????? What does that say about our country.
If she can't win, we are screwed. We will allow the media, again, to choose our candidate, end up with another rino, push the ball down the road a few more years then bitch and complain over the rinos actions.
If she can't win, then we might as well flush conservatism......we will never fix this country. We will allow media types to choose for us forever because, there is always an excuse as to why the most feared conservative "isn't ready"..... I guess i'll grow accustomed to the euro trash lifesytle.
I said she couldn't win today.
Reagan couldn't win in 1976. It took four years of Jimmy Carter to set the table for a Reagan landslide.
Bottom line: As miserable as things are they aren't miserable enough yet. O'Bama's personal approval rating is still over 50% That wouldn't be that way if we were at the point where ANYONE could beat him. And make no mistake, it's hard to beat an incumbent president (even a crappy one) when the media is in the tank for him.
But each day we draw a little bit closer to that point. Each day, Obongo gives America (or some segment of America) the finger and shoves a few more independents out of his camp and into ours. That has a cumulative effect. It's a war of attrition and President Dipsh*t is so enamored of himself that he just can't conceive that everyone else isn't too.
We have nine more months before the real primary season starts. A lot can happen in that time. And if recent history is any indication things are going to get a LOT worse for the average American while the Narcissist In Chief continues to golf most weekends, throw extravagant parties and fly in celebrity chefs to cook snacks for himself.
Palin may yet look more and more attractive as the time to the election draws ever closer. Who knows?
I don't believe many independents are in obama's camp. I don't know what camp there in, but not obama's... I have no interest in his personal approval rating..... they are skewed towards democrat responses, like most polls concerning obama. I like a lot of people but I don't want any to be President.
Palin should look attractive because she is one of the FEW conservatives today. 3 years of obama has set the table and there are plenty of Americans who remember the carter years and believe this time in history feels eerily similiar..... So no need for anymore table setting. She is fighting on 3 fronts: rinos, libs and the media, so good press is out of the question. Funny thing, though, every time she has a rally, speaks, etc, thousands show up. I believe the makings of a landslide are already in place, put there by pelosi, reid, frank, CARTER and obama and company....in the smoke filled rooms of obama, the media and the rinos...they all know it, they ignore it and they are fighting....why she is taking so much damn flack. We conservatives seem to be the group having difficulty grasping the opportunity. I'm not sure why, it is there.
If the pendulum can swing so far left and throw Obama into to the presidency I see no reason why the momentum going the other direction cannot sweep a Palin into office. But reading tea leaves in this chaotic atmosphere with all the bias a conservative has to contend with now days is problematic at best. But since Sarah is out having fun ignoring the MFM and refusing to play their game by their rules, I do think that is the template a conservative has to follow, regardless who enters the final contest. And I agree with you on the indy's, I cannot fathom the slightest reason why they would willingly tie themselves to the deck of a sinking ship.
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So bottom line, the notion that she should become a Senator before trying for President is wrongheaded and ahistorical. She's already been a Governor, which is a more pertinent qualification.
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Woodrow Wilson , Franklin Roosevelt and Jimmy Carter also went from governorships to the presidency . To consider them pertinently qualified is also "wrongheaded" and "ahistorical" .
So, regardless of where the goose is located, you squeeze hard enough and crap will come out, eh?
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Possibly the worst President in history and Palin can't win????? What does that say about our country.
If she can't win, we are screwed. We will allow the media, again, to choose our candidate, end up with another rino, push the ball down the road a few more years then bitch and complain over the rinos actions.
If she can't win, then we might as well flush conservatism......we will never fix this country. We will allow media types to choose for us forever because, there is always an excuse as to why the most feared conservative "isn't ready"..... I guess i'll grow accustomed to the euro trash lifesytle.
I said she couldn't win today.
Reagan couldn't win in 1976. It took four years of Jimmy Carter to set the table for a Reagan landslide.
Bottom line: As miserable as things are they aren't miserable enough yet. O'Bama's personal approval rating is still over 50% That wouldn't be that way if we were at the point where ANYONE could beat him. And make no mistake, it's hard to beat an incumbent president (even a crappy one) when the media is in the tank for him.
But each day we draw a little bit closer to that point. Each day, Obongo gives America (or some segment of America) the finger and shoves a few more independents out of his camp and into ours. That has a cumulative effect. It's a war of attrition and President Dipsh*t is so enamored of himself that he just can't conceive that everyone else isn't too.
We have nine more months before the real primary season starts. A lot can happen in that time. And if recent history is any indication things are going to get a LOT worse for the average American while the Narcissist In Chief continues to golf most weekends, throw extravagant parties and fly in celebrity chefs to cook snacks for himself.
Palin may yet look more and more attractive as the time to the election draws ever closer. Who knows?
I don't believe many independents are in obama's camp. I don't know what camp there in, but not obama's... I have no interest in his personal approval rating..... they are skewed towards democrat responses, like most polls concerning obama. I like a lot of people but I don't want any to be President.
Palin should look attractive because she is one of the FEW conservatives today. 3 years of obama has set the table and there are plenty of Americans who remember the carter years and believe this time in history feels eerily similiar..... So no need for anymore table setting. She is fighting on 3 fronts: rinos, libs and the media, so good press is out of the question. Funny thing, though, every time she has a rally, speaks, etc, thousands show up. I believe the makings of a landslide are already in place, put there by pelosi, reid, frank, CARTER and obama and company....in the smoke filled rooms of obama, the media and the rinos...they all know it, they ignore it and they are fighting....why she is taking so much damn flack. We conservatives seem to be the group having difficulty grasping the opportunity. I'm not sure why, it is there.
If the pendulum can swing so far left and throw Obama into to the presidency I see no reason why the momentum going the other direction cannot sweep a Palin into office. But reading tea leaves in this chaotic atmosphere with all the bias a conservative has to contend with now days is problematic at best. But since Sarah is out having fun ignoring the MFM and refusing to play their game by their rules, I do think that is the template a conservative has to follow, regardless who enters the final contest. And I agree with you on the indy's, I cannot fathom the slightest reason why they would willingly tie themselves to the deck of a sinking ship.
She has drawn huge crowds in Mass. I'm betting none are bussed in, none are paid, none are fake....The crowds are sincere and I bet 90% WILL VOTE. The only response needed is to ignore the press, the rinos and campaign as a conservative. She may be the only conservative who understands the liberal template and isn't cowtowing. Her crowds are genuine...obama's are not. Her support are voters....obama's are not.
50.1%...That would be my underlying message. I need 50.1% of the people who are not fooled, tired of the same, not bribed or bought, not buying the obama message of today.
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[blockquote]She may be the only conservative who understands the liberal template and isn't cowtowing. Her crowds are genuine...obama's are not. Her support are voters....obama's are not.
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Right on.
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50.1%...That would be my underlying message. I need 50.1% of the people who are not fooled, tired of the same, not bribed or bought, not buying the obama message of today.
You need more than that to overcome the margin of fraud. I'm thinking more like 55%.
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50.1%...That would be my underlying message. I need 50.1% of the people who are not fooled, tired of the same, not bribed or bought, not buying the obama message of today.
You need more than that to overcome the margin of fraud. I'm thinking more like 55%.
You are correct. Maybe a little less than 55% in the right states will give us an electorial landslide.
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[blockquote]She may be the only conservative who understands the liberal template and isn't cowtowing. Her crowds are genuine...obama's are not. Her support are voters....obama's are not.
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Right on.
The very same thing was said for Barry Goldwater in 1964 . I know because I was at one of his rallys with my parents . Lyndon Johnson won by a large margin but by late 1965 you couldn't find a single s.o.b. who had voted for him .
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[blockquote]She may be the only conservative who understands the liberal template and isn't cowtowing. Her crowds are genuine...obama's are not. Her support are voters....obama's are not.
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Right on.
The very same thing was said for Barry Goldwater in 1964 . I know because I was at one of his rallys with my parents . Lyndon Johnson won by a large margin but by late 1965 you couldn't find a single s.o.b. who had voted for him .
Every word true but the parallel between Palin and Goldwater, to me, doesn't fit.
The contest between Johnson and Goldwater was the war and our perception of its necessity. Goldwater was firm that it was a necessity to be met head on with full force while Johnson, lying through his teeth, said he would keep America out of it. Even though we were there the tenor of his campaign was that he was not going to involve us in it. That was his draw for the non Urban vote.
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[blockquote]She may be the only conservative who understands the liberal template and isn't cowtowing. Her crowds are genuine...obama's are not. Her support are voters....obama's are not.
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Right on.
The very same thing was said for Barry Goldwater in 1964 . I know because I was at one of his rallys with my parents . Lyndon Johnson won by a large margin but by late 1965 you couldn't find a single s.o.b. who had voted for him .
Every word true but the parallel between Palin and Goldwater, to me, doesn't fit.
The contest between Johnson and Goldwater was the war and our perception of its necessity. Goldwater was firm that it was a necessity to be met head on with full force while Johnson, lying through his teeth, said he would keep America out of it. Even though we were there the tenor of his campaign was that he was not going to involve us in it. That was his draw for the non Urban vote.
Don't forget that Lyndon was pushing "New Frontier" programs which Kennedy couldn't get through and which Johnson eventually took credit for ... re-dubbing them "The Great Society" .
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I would refer to that as the Urban vote.
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Great Society/New Frontier!
::puke::
Blueprint to serfdom would be more accurate!
And Obamakov took that ugly spawn and pumped it full of steroids and unleashed it upon our land, and look where we are now?!
Time for a full housecleaning! Throwing up the typical/traditional/safe candidate to run against Obamakov is not going to cut it, period!
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[blockquote]Mark Levin says that he’s not sure of a significant issue where Sarah Palin is wrong. He says she’s a strong conservative that doesn’t deserve the attacks she is getting from Krauthammer, Rove, or George Will. Moreover he also finds Bachmann and Cain to be very good conservative candidates, undeserving of the negative attention they are getting from establishment folks.
In light of their recent attacks, Levin hits Krauthammer and Will for missing the Reagan revolution by supporting the opposing candidates. They didn’t believe Reagan could win and yet he won by landslides.
http://www.therightscoop.com/levin-krauthammer-rove-and-will-dont-know-who-can-win-or-not/ (http://www.therightscoop.com/levin-krauthammer-rove-and-will-dont-know-who-can-win-or-not/)
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I would refer to that as the Urban vote.
At that time the "Urban vote" ( and I think your referring to the black vote ) wasn't sizeable enough as a percentage of the whole , to provide Johnson with the convincing numbers he acheived in 1964 . That's why it's all the more confounding that so many denied having voted for him only a year later . America was less sold on his social programs than they were on escalating involvement in Vietnam .
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[blockquote]RedState says: (http://www.redstate.com/erick/)
If you read my horserace post, you know I’ve been hearing about Newt Gingrich’s campaign disintegrating. I was asked to hold back, but word is now pouring out like water from a crack.
Steve Deace is reporting Gingrich’s Iowa team is closing up shop.
The Daily Caller is now reporting that Gingrich’s team is leaving en masse.
This tracks with what I’ve been hearing.
Now keep in mind that Gingrich’s senior team is also Rick Perry’s senior team. You don’t have to be a genius to start drawing some conclusions from what is happening to Gingrich.
For what it’s worth, I do not believe Gingrich is dropping out and there are no indications that Gingrich is dropping out. This just seems to be additional evidence that Gingrich’s management chaos has changed little since he was Speaker of the House. I think he thinks this thing was supposed to be handed to him.
And I’m not sure if he is back from the Mediterranean yet.
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Ah don't know how this got on a Palin topic.
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Asshole:
But he didn't go quietly, telling me, "I haven't lived in Washington D.C. in 15 years, and I've been taken to the woodshed by the big boys."
"As far as we're concerned, it's not" an ongoing fight, he insisted. "This was my one comment, which I shouldn't have made, at the end of the day this has nothing to do with Michele, Michele's campaign, or any of the rest of it. This was my transition from being an analyst to a political strategist, and I missed a step."
Rollins had suggested to POLITICO that Bachmann would fare well in a Palin contrast, and told a radio interviewer that the former vice presidential contender is "not serious."
Of Team Palin's call for a retraction, he said, "What's the retraction? I say she's serious?"
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56518.html#ixzz1OodqgOvk (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56518.html#ixzz1OodqgOvk)