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Title: "Forever preps"
Post by: Pandora on February 24, 2011, 12:03:34 AM
Some we know; some we don't.  Check it out.

http://www.survivalblog.com/2011/02/forever_preps_preparations_you.html (http://www.survivalblog.com/2011/02/forever_preps_preparations_you.html)

H/T nbpundit
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Libertas on February 24, 2011, 06:40:34 AM
Great link!  I love that site, it is a treasure trove of info!

 ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: John Florida on February 24, 2011, 09:20:33 AM
Should we pin this site so it stays here? There is a lot of info to go through. ::thinking::
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Libertas on February 24, 2011, 09:25:59 AM
It is a lot of info.  I've had it bookmarked for a while, but then I forget to go back to it.  I like these reminders!   ;)
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: IronDioPriest on February 24, 2011, 09:54:20 AM
Good stuff.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Dan on February 24, 2011, 07:27:53 PM
Excellent stuff. Great find Pan.
Just read it thoroughly and baking soda, vinegar, and dry bleach are things that are now on my list.
One thing that I thought was missing was spare firearms parts. I have firing pins, springs, extractors, anything that, if lost or broken, would result in turning your firearm into a club.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Gunsmith on May 31, 2011, 12:05:46 PM
Excellent stuff. Great find Pan.
Just read it thoroughly and baking soda, vinegar, and dry bleach are things that are now on my list.
One thing that I thought was missing was spare firearms parts. I have firing pins, springs, extractors, anything that, if lost or broken, would result in turning your firearm into a club.

Spare parts for your firearms is wise but if you have multiple kinds, shotguns, rifles, pistols, revolvers then stock piling, inventory, storage can be a pain.  I would suggest adding to your knowledge is how to make these parts.  Easier than you think and MOST can be made with hand tools and raw stock. 
Here's some info:

http://www.americangunsmith.com/view.php?id=55 (http://www.americangunsmith.com/view.php?id=55)

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=26220/Product/NO__15_STRAIGHT_SPRING_WIRE (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=26220/Product/NO__15_STRAIGHT_SPRING_WIRE)

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=26219/Product/NO__149_FLAT_SPRING_STOCK (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=26219/Product/NO__149_FLAT_SPRING_STOCK)

4140 steel can be used to make firing pins, hammers, sears, triggers, etc..

Some info on heat treating parts.

http://www.americangunsmith.com/app/products/view/56/Case-Hardening-and-Heat-Treating-Carbon-Steels-and-Alloys (http://www.americangunsmith.com/app/products/view/56/Case-Hardening-and-Heat-Treating-Carbon-Steels-and-Alloys)
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: John Florida on May 31, 2011, 01:44:14 PM
Excellent stuff. Great find Pan.
Just read it thoroughly and baking soda, vinegar, and dry bleach are things that are now on my list.
One thing that I thought was missing was spare firearms parts. I have firing pins, springs, extractors, anything that, if lost or broken, would result in turning your firearm into a club.

Spare parts for your firearms is wise but if you have multiple kinds, shotguns, rifles, pistols, revolvers then stock piling, inventory, storage can be a pain.  I would suggest adding to your knowledge is how to make these parts.  Easier than you think and MOST can be made with hand tools and raw stock. 
Here's some info:

http://www.americangunsmith.com/view.php?id=55 (http://www.americangunsmith.com/view.php?id=55)

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=26220/Product/NO__15_STRAIGHT_SPRING_WIRE (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=26220/Product/NO__15_STRAIGHT_SPRING_WIRE)

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=26219/Product/NO__149_FLAT_SPRING_STOCK (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=26219/Product/NO__149_FLAT_SPRING_STOCK)

4140 steel can be used to make firing pins, hammers, sears, triggers, etc..

Some info on heat treating parts.

http://www.americangunsmith.com/app/products/view/56/Case-Hardening-and-Heat-Treating-Carbon-Steels-and-Alloys (http://www.americangunsmith.com/app/products/view/56/Case-Hardening-and-Heat-Treating-Carbon-Steels-and-Alloys)


 Great stuff. The bitch of it is that my SIL and his dad work for a company in Connecticut that make parts for the gun industry all over the country and some international companies but they have no idea what part is for what gun because they don't have the factory part numbers to match them up to. If I want a spring I have to send them the old one so they can match it up which can be a pain to start with.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 10, 2011, 12:09:13 PM

Coffee:
           Packet (1) - Tasters Choice freeze dried coffee,  purchased 1992, opened packet and poured 1 cu boiling water.
                            A few of the flakes required stirring to dissolve.  Tastes pretty good.   


Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Delnorin on November 07, 2011, 02:07:20 PM
Note of Warning:  Dry Bleach or Calcium Hypochorlite....

You want to keep it way way way ... away from any petroleum products.

Under adult supervision only:  Put about 1/2 cup in a plastic cup and put it in the middle of your driveway (far away from the house).

Get about 1/4 cup of brake fluid in another cup.  

At night... take that break fluid and quickly dump it into the cup with the powdered calcium hypocholrite (make sure it doesn't spill over in your haste to run away).

Run away.

It will start to smolder.. and then turn a bright orange.. and then you'll get 6 foot high flames that burn like magnesium.  It'll roar and pop from the chemical reaction.

-----

[redacted]Put some of this in a condom [redacted] the gas will eat through the condom in x number of minutes... [redacted]
-----

The funny things you learn in drinking water treatment classes.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Libertas on November 08, 2011, 06:35:26 AM
Hmm...

Sounds like a nice recipe for a homemade stun grenade!

 ;D

As far as gun parts, I've gotten some stuff from here, the last being some clips for our really old Winchester .22.

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/ (http://www.gunpartscorp.com/)
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Damn_Lucky on November 08, 2011, 08:42:22 PM
Note of Warning:  Dry Bleach or Calcium Hypochorlite....

You want to keep it way way way ... away from any petroleum products.

Under adult supervision only:  Put about 1/2 cup in a plastic cup and put it in the middle of your driveway (far away from the house).

Get about 1/4 cup of brake fluid in another cup.  

At night... take that break fluid and quickly dump it into the cup with the powdered calcium hypocholrite (make sure it doesn't spill over in your haste to run away).

Run away.

It will start to smolder.. and then turn a bright orange.. and then you'll get 6 foot high flames that burn like magnesium.  It'll roar and pop from the chemical reaction.

-----

[redacted]Put some of this in a condom [redacted] the gas will eat through the condom in x number of minutes... [redacted]
-----

The funny things you learn in drinking water treatment classes.
When I was a kid (14) someone taught us too use a gallon jug with a little/a lot of break fluid and a paper towel tuck the towel in the top two scoops of powder chlorine and cap.
When ready shake and run. ::overkill::
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 08, 2011, 09:46:44 PM

an experiment - nuki nuki video! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-07OFkPE97k#)

Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Alphabet Soup on November 08, 2011, 10:01:45 PM
Some folks are so easily amused... ;)
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: RickZ on November 09, 2011, 02:38:33 AM
Were I putting together a 'forever prep', one small thing I can think to add is peppercorns.  They are lightweight, easily stored and, in a SHingTF situation, people will still want their food seasoned.  Peppercorns used to be valuable as monetary barter exchange for a reason, and there's nothing to indicate that our desire for pepper has lessened.  But make sure it's the peppercorns, not preground pepper as that will go stale very quickly.  One can also add other cooking 'seeds' as, again, they are light in weight and easily stored.  Things like carraway seeds, mustard seeds, coriander seeds, cumin seeds, cinnamon sticks, bay leaves, in fact, just about any spice in a dried whole, not ground, form.  Of course, if one is storing such things, you'll need som way to grind it up.  Mortar and pestle is the obvious choice, but a hand grinder, preferably made of wood or metal (I have a plastic one and do not think it would survive SHingTF use for very long without breaking) would be good.  Just my pennies thrown into the pot.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 09, 2011, 05:44:00 PM
I think peppercorns and spices in general is a great idea. They were highly valued and sought-after commodities in pre-industrial societies -  East, West, and everywhere in between. No reason to think the same wouldn't apply to a post-industrial society.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 09, 2011, 06:10:32 PM

I'm marking time until after the election, if it doesn't go right
I'm going through these sections and then hitting stores and
buying like it's the end of the world.

Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 09, 2011, 06:44:48 PM

I'm marking time until after the election, if it doesn't go right
I'm going through these sections and then hitting stores and
buying like it's the end of the world.



So will everybody else. My concern is that by that time, the dollar will have no value and the store shelves will be wiped clean.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Pandora on November 09, 2011, 07:07:54 PM

I'm marking time until after the election, if it doesn't go right
I'm going through these sections and then hitting stores and
buying like it's the end of the world.



So will everybody else. My concern is that by that time, the dollar will have no value and the store shelves will be wiped clean.

Probably won't be accepting credit cards either, for what may be left.

Charles, please do what you can now in terms of food.  Really.  It's not like what you buy won't ever get used.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 09, 2011, 07:13:48 PM
I think peppercorns and spices in general is a great idea. They were highly valued and sought-after commodities in pre-industrial societies -  East, West, and everywhere in between. No reason to think the same wouldn't apply to a post-industrial society.

Yeap, glad rickz mentioned it.


I'm marking time until after the election, if it doesn't go right
I'm going through these sections and then hitting stores and
buying like it's the end of the world.



So will everybody else. My concern is that by that time, the dollar will have no value and the store shelves will be wiped clean.

Well, I live in area where I'm pretty confident that most people aren't that self-aware. Nonetheless, I will spend time over this Christmas holiday refining my list.  It's pretty hit and miss right now and I need to redo it in to a master. I have some stuff but I know it's not enough. With my new list I can work through January on it.

Another thought...

I've stocked pile some cocoa powder.  I'm hoping if it stays sealed it will be ok for awhile.  But perhaps I should get the beans...does that seem odd?  I just think there are plenty of people who like their chocolate...and would be willing to trade for it?
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Pandora on November 09, 2011, 07:16:18 PM
Oo!  Oo!  Oo!  Master-lister here!

As airtight as possible but I don't need to tell you that.  Got a vacuum sealer?  Glad sells a bag that one can seal in that manner without the machine.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: John Florida on November 09, 2011, 07:40:33 PM
Oo!  Oo!  Oo!  Master-lister here!

As airtight as possible but I don't need to tell you that.  Got a vacuum sealer?  Glad sells a bag that one can seal in that manner without the machine.

 Got any lit on that??
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 09, 2011, 07:51:39 PM
Oo!  Oo!  Oo!  Master-lister here!

As airtight as possible but I don't need to tell you that.  Got a vacuum sealer?  Glad sells a bag that one can seal in that manner without the machine.


I do but the last time I used it it gave me problems and I didn't have time to really look at it.  Wasn't in the mood for a project.  I need to though.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Pandora on November 09, 2011, 07:59:13 PM
http://www.ziploc.com/Products/Pages/VacuumFreezerSystem.aspx (http://www.ziploc.com/Products/Pages/VacuumFreezerSystem.aspx)

Mom uses 'em; she sez they work well.

And ....

http://reynloc.com/ (http://reynloc.com/)
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Pandora on November 09, 2011, 08:01:37 PM
Oo!  Oo!  Oo!  Master-lister here!

As airtight as possible but I don't need to tell you that.  Got a vacuum sealer?  Glad sells a bag that one can seal in that manner without the machine.


I do but the last time I used it it gave me problems and I didn't have time to really look at it.  Wasn't in the mood for a project.  I need to though.

Okay, I erred (YEAH!  it happens!).  It's Reynold's.  See link/s in other post.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: LadyVirginia on November 09, 2011, 08:23:24 PM


Okay, I erred   (YEAH!  it happens!).  It's Reynold's.  See link/s in other post.

...just in case anyone missed THAT news bulletin
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: John Florida on November 09, 2011, 09:10:33 PM


Okay, I erred   (YEAH!  it happens!).  It's Reynold's.  See link/s in other post.

...just in case anyone missed THAT news bulletin

 ::falldownshocked::
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Pandora on November 09, 2011, 09:17:23 PM


Okay, I erred   (YEAH!  it happens!).  It's Reynold's.  See link/s in other post.

...just in case anyone missed THAT news bulletin

 ::saywhat::

Smashin' you.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Pandora on November 09, 2011, 09:17:50 PM


Okay, I erred   (YEAH!  it happens!).  It's Reynold's.  See link/s in other post.

...just in case anyone missed THAT news bulletin

 ::falldownshocked::

You're next.   ::saywhat::
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: John Florida on November 09, 2011, 09:23:16 PM


Okay, I erred   (YEAH!  it happens!).  It's Reynold's.  See link/s in other post.

...just in case anyone missed THAT news bulletin

 ::falldownshocked::

You're next.   ::saywhat::

 I'm always on the list I know I know.  ::dueling::
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Pandora on November 09, 2011, 09:43:21 PM
Okay, all kidding aside, did you check the link?  Think it's an affordably viable option?
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: John Florida on November 10, 2011, 08:16:16 PM
Okay, all kidding aside, did you check the link?  Think it's an affordably viable option?

 I don't know it just sounds like it's going to die. That's the only time I have ever seen that thing I would feel better if I knew somebody that had one first.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Pandora on November 10, 2011, 08:56:50 PM
I'm telling you Mom has one; it's a basic MANUAL mechanism.  I've seen the results and it's fine

So easy a 79 year-old woman can do it.

Look, almost the same effect can be achieved by inserting a soda straw in a plastic bag, sucking hard, and quickly sealing the thing.  With these, there's no leak while you're completing the seal.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: John Florida on November 10, 2011, 10:01:02 PM
I'm telling you Mom has one; it's a basic MANUAL mechanism.  I've seen the results and it's fine

So easy a 79 year-old woman can do it.

Look, almost the same effect can be achieved by inserting a soda straw in a plastic bag, sucking hard, and quickly sealing the thing.  With these, there's no leak while you're completing the seal.

 I don't know how much vaccum it draws. But if you like it go for it.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Pandora on November 10, 2011, 10:02:35 PM
I don't need it; I've got the vacuum sealer.  For the money, it doesn't seem a bad alternative, but you do what you want.

Pain in the ass .......
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: John Florida on November 11, 2011, 08:34:55 AM
I don't need it; I've got the vacuum sealer.  For the money, it doesn't seem a bad alternative, but you do what you want.

Pain in the ass .......

  Always do. ::curtsy4::
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Pandora on November 11, 2011, 11:08:12 AM
The Ziploc starter kit is $4, for anybody else who is curious.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 11, 2011, 11:29:40 AM
You know, I've had mixed success with the pump-seal ziplocs. It seems that if you use them for freezer storage, they work quite well. I use them to vacuum seal fish, and have never had a seal break yet. But I stored a whole bunch of rice and beans in them, and many of the bags lost their seal over time. Maybe they're just for freezer storage, and I never checked? I just thought since they work so well for the freezer, they'd work for other stuff, so I got some and used them for dry storage.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Pandora on November 11, 2011, 11:31:02 AM
You know, I've had mixed success with the pump-seal ziplocs. It seems that if you use them for freezer storage, they work quite well. I use them to vacuum seal fish, and have never had a seal break yet. But I stored a whole bunch of rice and beans in them, and many of the bags lost their seal over time. Maybe they're just for freezer storage, and I never checked? I just thought since they work so well for the freezer, they'd work for other stuff, so I got some and used them for dry storage.

Thanks for the review.  Mom uses them for freezer storage, so that's all I had to go on.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 11, 2011, 11:37:04 AM
You know, I've had mixed success with the pump-seal ziplocs. It seems that if you use them for freezer storage, they work quite well. I use them to vacuum seal fish, and have never had a seal break yet. But I stored a whole bunch of rice and beans in them, and many of the bags lost their seal over time. Maybe they're just for freezer storage, and I never checked? I just thought since they work so well for the freezer, they'd work for other stuff, so I got some and used them for dry storage.

Thanks for the review.  Mom uses them for freezer storage, so that's all I had to go on.

Yup. For freezer, I've had 100% success. But I've had the rice and beans stored for about a year and a half, and I'd say about 2/3 of the seals are no longer airtight. I started with 40 pounds of each (pinto beans and rice) portioned out into meal-for-5-sized bags, so going through and trying to reseal each is a PITA.

Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: John Florida on November 11, 2011, 08:09:06 PM
You know, I've had mixed success with the pump-seal ziplocs. It seems that if you use them for freezer storage, they work quite well. I use them to vacuum seal fish, and have never had a seal break yet. But I stored a whole bunch of rice and beans in them, and many of the bags lost their seal over time. Maybe they're just for freezer storage, and I never checked? I just thought since they work so well for the freezer, they'd work for other stuff, so I got some and used them for dry storage.

Thanks for the review.  Mom uses them for freezer storage, so that's all I had to go on.

Yup. For freezer, I've had 100% success. But I've had the rice and beans stored for about a year and a half, and I'd say about 2/3 of the seals are no longer airtight. I started with 40 pounds of each (pinto beans and rice) portioned out into meal-for-5-sized bags, so going through and trying to reseal each is a PITA.



 That may be the weekness between a regular seal and a heat seal.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 05, 2012, 01:02:24 PM

Farm Manuals Fast (http://farmmanualsfast.com/)

http://now.uiowa.edu/2012/03/farm-manuals-fast-name-says-it-all (http://now.uiowa.edu/2012/03/farm-manuals-fast-name-says-it-all)
Finchum has manuals on the website for almost 500 farm implements, going all the way back to the manuals for John Deere’s Poppin’ Johnnies in the 1930s and 1940s.
...
He has manuals for tractors, combines, harvesters, manure spreaders, balers, tillers, cutters, foragers, grinders, mowers, and windrowers. The makers include some of the icons of American manufacturing (Deere, Massey Ferguson, Caterpillar) and a few from names now long gone—Allis-Chalmers, International Harvester.

[    AGCO
    Allis-Chalmers
    Bush Hog
    Case
    Case IH
    Caterpillar
    Ferguson
    Ford
    International
    I & T
    John Deere
    Massey Ferguson
    Minneapolis-Moline
    New Holland
    New Idea
    Oliver
    Other Manufacturers
    Manual Add-ons       ]

Most of the manuals sell for $9.99, ...

Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Libertas on August 01, 2012, 08:37:23 AM
Some merit to this post via ZeroHedge -

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-most-often-forgotten-survival-preparations (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-most-often-forgotten-survival-preparations)

The networking with neighbors deal can be a hard one.  Not all of our neighbors are up to the challenge let alone capable of comprehending the dangers.

Bartering is a certainty, especially given our suicicdal economic and monetary direction.

Some of the "overlooked items" can be pricey, people should get what they can afford and what they think they need based upon priorities.

Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Pandora on August 01, 2012, 01:08:49 PM
*sigh*

I need a warehouse .......
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Libertas on August 01, 2012, 02:28:23 PM
Or we all chip in and buy that town that's for sale...forget where that is now...
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Pandora on August 01, 2012, 02:36:57 PM
Or we all chip in and buy that town that's for sale...forget where that is now...

Hmmmm .....  can't buy just a town; the things on that list are needed.

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Did it have a warehouse?  ;)
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Libertas on August 01, 2012, 02:41:02 PM
Or we all chip in and buy that town that's for sale...forget where that is now...

Hmmmm .....  can't buy just a town; the things on that list are needed.

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Did it have a warehouse?  ;)

It had buildings, converting to a secure warehouse should be possible.   ;)
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Pandora on August 01, 2012, 02:48:27 PM
Or we all chip in and buy that town that's for sale...forget where that is now...

Hmmmm .....  can't buy just a town; the things on that list are needed.

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Did it have a warehouse?  ;)

It had buildings, converting to a secure warehouse should be possible.   ;)

Libertas, I read the piece you posted (hence my stated need for a warehouse), noting it mentioned sacrifice several times.  It's come to the point with us that we will have to stop living in our house the way we're used to doing and sacrifice some space, or acquire another structure.   ::gaah::

I wish we had a basement because stacking stuff on pallets wouldn't be an issue.  Disorder and living with stuff everywhere will make me nuts.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Libertas on August 01, 2012, 02:56:28 PM
Or we all chip in and buy that town that's for sale...forget where that is now...

Hmmmm .....  can't buy just a town; the things on that list are needed.

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Did it have a warehouse?  ;)

It had buildings, converting to a secure warehouse should be possible.   ;)

Libertas, I read the piece you posted (hence my stated need for a warehouse), noting it mentioned sacrifice several times.  It's come to the point with us that we will have to stop living in our house the way we're used to doing and sacrifice some space, or acquire another structure.   ::gaah::

I wish we had a basement because stacking stuff on pallets wouldn't be an issue.  Disorder and living with stuff everywhere will make me nuts.

Oh I know.  My clan is driving each other nuts, and we do not yet have all what we want, let alone what others say we should have...we are already stressing existing resources and I am trying to get people thinking of stashing certain items in hidden caches like the days of old!  I get everything everybody says we should have...egads!!!

 ::exitstageleft::
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: John Florida on August 01, 2012, 04:43:27 PM
  Time to look at used containers?
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Pandora on August 01, 2012, 05:21:01 PM
Again.  Probably.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: charlesoakwood on August 01, 2012, 05:54:44 PM
  Time to look at used containers?

Containers are available for pick up or delivery from Ports/Depots throughout the U.S.and Canada.

New York - Chicago - California - Detroit - New Jersey - Maryland - Connecticut - Pennsylvania - Indiana- Massachusetts - Florida - Oklahoma - Georgia - Ohio - Salt Lake city - Denver - Seattle - Texas - North Carolina - South Carolina - Virginia - New Orleans - Memphis - Montreal - Toronto - Vancouver. (Nationwide)

Provide zip code/town for Tilt bed delivery quote.

(http://nycontainer.com/resources/New%2020%27%20Shipping%20Container.jpg)

Out here they aren't that pretty and the go for 2K+.

Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: John Florida on August 01, 2012, 06:19:09 PM
  You can't buy a shed for that kind of money.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Libertas on August 01, 2012, 10:27:33 PM
Yeah, looks practical and economical.  I'd like to stash one in the woods and load it up.
Title: Re: "Forever preps"
Post by: Libertas on April 30, 2015, 09:26:21 AM
This posting at ZH has lots and lots of links...scanned some of them, much might be repeating things we already have/know, but there seems to be some good stuff in here too.  I'm going to have to go through them in more detail and see what there is to harvest, thought others might want to do the same.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-29/going-rogue-15-ways-detach-system (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-29/going-rogue-15-ways-detach-system)