It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: IronDioPriest on February 25, 2011, 08:04:22 AM
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So this will be the strategy of the man who wants the GOP nomination: A takeover of the health care system is OK at the state level as a states rights issue, and ObamaCare™ must be repealed so the states can exercise their power to enact whatever health care system they choose.
I think it's a ridiculous non-starter, and symptomatic of the kind of spin that makes people nervous about Romney in the first place. And I think I cannot think of anything I'd care to witness less than a rhetorical battle in the press between Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee.
From National Journal...
Aide: Romney 'Proud' of Massachusetts Health Care Overhaul (http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/aide-romney-proud-of-massachusetts-health-care-overhaul-20110224)
Offering a sneak peak of the 2012 Republican primary, a spokesman for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney on Thursday defended the sweeping health insurance overhaul that Romney helped enact in Massachusetts in response to criticism from former and possibly future presidential rival Mike Huckabee.
“Mitt Romney is proud of what he accomplished for Massachusetts in getting everyone covered,’’ said Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom. “What's important now is to return to the states the power to determine their own health care solutions by repealing Obamacare. A one-size-fits-all plan for the entire nation just doesn't work.''
Huckabee, the former governor of Arkansas, is currently touring the country to promote his new book, A Simple Government. "Ever since the debate over [the national health care] program began, it’s been compared to 'RomneyCare,' the failed statewide health care program implemented by none other than my fellow GOP member Mitt Romney when he was governor of Massachusetts,” Huckabee writes in the book. “Any critical assessment of this program will show that it failed … and yet the Obama administration decided to emulate it in its pursuit of a national health care program.”
Both Romney’s plan and the legislation signed by President Obama's watch require most people to buy insurance—a so-called “individual mandate’’ that has become a key target for conservatives. Romney has argued that it’s appropriate for the states but not the federal government to regular[sic] health care and joined his party leaders in calling for the repeal of “Obamacare.”
Though neither Romney nor Huckabee have officially declared plans to run for president in 2012, the rivalry between the 2008 competitors is clearly not over. In an interview with National Journal on Wednesday, Huckabee was asked if he would back Romney if he was the nominee. In a less than rousing endorsement, Huckabee promised to be a “good soldier’’ and back Romney.
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::hysterical::
Is Mitt or Huck in the sh!thouse?
Both?
::whoohoo::
;D
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If these words ever actually come out of Romney's mouth...he's done for.
He is in my mind anyway, but he'll get pummeled w/ this issue and at some point, 'qualify' and walk back his pride in his accomplishment.
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This is pathetic.
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This is pathetic.
It really is f**king weak-sauce. You can almost hear Jon Lovitz saying, "Yeah, it's ahhh... it's ahhhh... states rights issue... yeah, that's the ticket."
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Yeah next thing Mitt will be telling us about his wife...uhh....Morgan Fairchild. Yeahhh
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He decides ti test fire a balloon and this is what he comes up with. ::falldownshocked:: ::gaah::
That's a sure fire winner.
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Romney is not on my "A" list. He is not invited to the wedding.
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Romney is not on my "A" list. He is not invited to the wedding.
Ya know, dammit, I'm resolved to vote for whomever is running against Obama. Frackin' Cornelius from Planet of the Apes would make a better President. Palin, Cain, Pawlenty, Gingrich, Barbour, Romney, Huckabee, or whoever else has a shot at the nomination will seem ushered in by a Heavenly Host compared to Obama, and even if they stink, I'll hold my nose and vote for them.
But if the nominee is not a strong conservative with clearly defined positions and principles, they will lose to Obama. Among all the supposed GOP "frontrunners" Romney is the one with the least clearly defined conservative positions and principles, and he will lose the election.
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I've done a 180, no retreads, no waffles. This cr).(p has got to stop.
Give me a conservative or let the chips fall where they may.
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Romney is not on my "A" list. He is not invited to the wedding.
Ya know, dammit, I'm resolved to vote for whomever is running against Obama. Frackin' Cornelius from Planet of the Apes would make a better President. Palin, Cain, Pawlenty, Gingrich, Barbour, Romney, Huckabee, or whoever else has a shot at the nomination will seem ushered in by a Heavenly Host compared to Obama, and even if they stink, I'll hold my nose and vote for them.
But if the nominee is not a strong conservative with clearly defined positions and principles, they will lose to Obama. Among all the supposed GOP "frontrunners" Romney is the one with the least clearly defined conservative positions and principles, and he will lose the election.
I honestly don't see Palin runnig nor Huck,Barbour. Newt?
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If Palin doesn't run I will go to the wall for Herman Cain, unless somebody even better jumps in who's not on the radar now.
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Romney is not on my "A" list. He is not invited to the wedding.
Ya know, dammit, I'm resolved to vote for whomever is running against Obama. Frackin' Cornelius from Planet of the Apes would make a better President. Palin, Cain, Pawlenty, Gingrich, Barbour, Romney, Huckabee, or whoever else has a shot at the nomination will seem ushered in by a Heavenly Host compared to Obama, and even if they stink, I'll hold my nose and vote for them.
But if the nominee is not a strong conservative with clearly defined positions and principles, they will lose to Obama. Among all the supposed GOP "frontrunners" Romney is the one with the least clearly defined conservative positions and principles, and he will lose the election.
I said he wasn't on my "A" list.....If I must hold my nose, I'd pull the lever for him. If it were anyone but Obama, I might consider just not voting, but he is literally destroying this nation and my kid is gonna live a lot longer than me....so, omg, it is for the children....
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Romney is not on my "A" list. He is not invited to the wedding.
Ya know, dammit, I'm resolved to vote for whomever is running against Obama. Frackin' Cornelius from Planet of the Apes would make a better President. Palin, Cain, Pawlenty, Gingrich, Barbour, Romney, Huckabee, or whoever else has a shot at the nomination will seem ushered in by a Heavenly Host compared to Obama, and even if they stink, I'll hold my nose and vote for them.
But if the nominee is not a strong conservative with clearly defined positions and principles, they will lose to Obama. Among all the supposed GOP "frontrunners" Romney is the one with the least clearly defined conservative positions and principles, and he will lose the election.
I said he wasn't on my "A" list.....If I must hold my nose, I'd pull the lever for him. If it were anyone but Obama, I might consider just not voting, but he is literally destroying this nation and my kid is gonna live a lot longer than me....so, omg, it is for the children....
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But not for the same reasons that libs give. When they say it's for the children what they mean is it's to the children. Their idea is to brainwash our children. Ours is to protect them(our children) from them. Give our children the oportunity to do better than we did.
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Yeah, well, NOPE, I'm not doing the holding my nose and doing it thingie again. Sorry, but no.
Get someone on the Anti-Duh Wun side worth voting for, with a conservative resume other than "Not Obama" and I'll consider it. Otherwise look in the mirror at the reason for why the entire thing went straight and swiftly into the shtter at 2012.
Sick of this sht.
And try to guilt me over your failings, and there will be terminations with extreme prejudice to boot.
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Yeah, well, NOPE, I'm not doing the holding my nose and doing it thingie again. Sorry, but no.
Get someone on the Anti-Duh Wun side worth voting for, with a conservative resume other than "Not Obama" and I'll consider it. Otherwise look in the mirror at the reason for why the entire thing went straight and swiftly into the shtter at 2012.
Sick of this sht.
And try to guilt me over your failings, and there will be terminations with extreme prejudice to boot.
I am right there with you. I will have a very hard time voting for another RINO. I supported JD Hayworth against McCain in the senate primary, because even though he had his flaws, McCain needed to go.
I don't like Romney or Huckabee. I want a real conservative to vote for. At first I thought Mitch Daniels was okay, but I am now of the opinion he's another RINO, and he can take his "truce on social issues" and shove it!
Back to Romney, you folks are right. The word for his defense of socialized Mass. medicine is "pathetic."
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...At first I thought Mitch Daniels was okay, but I am now of the opinion he's another RINO, and he can take his "truce on social issues" and shove it!...
I'm with you there Janny. He's done an admirable job as governor of Indiana, and I give him credit. But as he's prepping the field for a possible run for President, he's sending all the wrong signals - the "truce" BS being the first of many. He's playing politics - trying to be everything to everyone, and say just the right things to be non-offensive - in a time when the voters on the Right and the center want authenticity.
ETA: Pawlenty's doing the same thing too. I think both guys could be good Presidents, and reasonably conservative - definitely the most conservative President since Reagan; Daniels maybe even more so than Pawlenty. But they way they are entering the room is just... unattractive... and if they think the road to the nomination requires playing down their conservatism, then they will not be the nominee - or if they are, it would not surprise me to see a third party nominee that garners more votes than the Republican, guaranteeing Obama a 2nd term.
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Janny (Hi, BTW!) and Pan and I are like-minded! I will not vote for another RINO. I'd rather have obama take full blame for what may come. And it's comin'! Any R getting in will just be used as a poster-boy (or girl) by the libiots as to why the R brand is disastrous for the country, even though we'd know better. Some won't.
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Romney is not on my "A" list. He is not invited to the wedding.
Ya know, dammit, I'm resolved to vote for whomever is running against Obama. Frackin' Cornelius from Planet of the Apes would make a better President. Palin, Cain, Pawlenty, Gingrich, Barbour, Romney, Huckabee, or whoever else has a shot at the nomination will seem ushered in by a Heavenly Host compared to Obama, and even if they stink, I'll hold my nose and vote for them.
But if the nominee is not a strong conservative with clearly defined positions and principles, they will lose to Obama. Among all the supposed GOP "frontrunners" Romney is the one with the least clearly defined conservative positions and principles, and he will lose the election.
I remember in '06 and '07 how increasingly vocal I became when it came to finding and supporting a candidate for prez. Remember how romney and juliani were touted as early favorites? And everyone kept looking at each other and asking, "Did you suggest this guy? I know that I didn't!"
Over and over "someone" kept pushing marginal, moderate, mushy pubbies our way. We kept pushing them away saying, "No thanks, I'd prefer a conservative".
They would push someone like romney or hucklebee in our faces and say, "See, this guy is just what you ordered" "Conservative all the way" "Trust me".
My early favorite was Duncan Hunter. If you were looking for a smart administrator with loads of common sense and a conservative perspective, he would do admirably. If you were looking for the stylish "rock star" you needed to look to a bozo like Øbongo.
But I saw almost immediately that no matter how able or outstanding a job Hunter would do, we would never know because he didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected. He simply failed on the runway walk.
I've always admired Fred Thompson and when he announced that he might announce that he was thinking of announcing, I became caught up in the "Yea, why not?" wagon train. More like a train wreck. Enough of that!
One by one the conservatives fell away or were swept away by the sheer weight of the good ol boy network. Until they announced "our" champion - John McCain. Boy wasn't that a kick in the breadbasket! I had more enthusiasm voting for Bob Dole! Actually that isn't completely true.
I vowed not to vote at all. I had this quaint notion about my vote counting for something and too important to waste on foolish or frivolous things. Sarah Palin brought me back. If not for her I would not have cast a ballot in '08. There was no way that I was wasting my vote on Capt. Queeg!
And when Queeg floundered, and he and his motley crew tried to pull Sarah under with him I renewed my vow, "Nevermore!"
So I restate my pledge, my vow, my promise to the Republican party - "Send me a conservative that I can vote for or do not expect a vote from me." I will sit it out.
My pantry is full. My locker is stocked. I have provisioned myself for the worst. I know that only a strong conservative can rectify the problems we have (romney and huck need not apply). If we do not get a conservative we will slip off the edge - there is no other forecast, no other option, no other fate for us.
My expectation, based on what I've seen so far, is that (and I mean this in the nicest possible way) we are doomed. The left entered into an unholy alliance with Øbongo & Co. and are committed. The GOP is dithering and equivocating and wussing out as usual.
Pardon me....I've got to get back to work on my bunker...
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As unappealing as it may seem to say it, I think a President Romney or a President Huckabee would sign an ObamaCare repeal sent to them by a GOP majority congress. All indications are that we will hold the house and gain the Senate in 2012.
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Yeah, well, NOPE, I'm not doing the holding my nose and doing it thingie again. Sorry, but no.
Get someone on the Anti-Duh Wun side worth voting for, with a conservative resume other than "Not Obama" and I'll consider it. Otherwise look in the mirror at the reason for why the entire thing went straight and swiftly into the shtter at 2012.
Sick of this sht.
And try to guilt me over your failings, and there will be terminations with extreme prejudice to boot.
This above was meant for the Republican Party and those maneuvering the nomination, not for anyone here.
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As unappealing as it may seem to say it, I think a President Romney or a President Huckabee would sign an ObamaCare repeal sent to them by a GOP majority congress. All indications are that we will hold the house and gain the Senate in 2012.
Believe me, I am extremely sympathetic with people who cannot bring themselves to hold their nose ever again. But I think what I've re-stated above is the situation as it exists - as unappealing as it is for me to admit it or say it.
I frikkin' hate RINOs. Despise them, and you all know I do. But I believe that there is a strong likelihood that the GOP will take back both houses of congress in 2012 with another strong Tea Party surge, and I believe that ANY of the people now putting their feelers out for the GOP nomination would sign a full ObamaCare repeal.
That's just how I see it. I'm not judging anyone for seeing it differently.
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Holding the House isn't one of my goals. I want majorities big enough in House and Senate to overcome any Veto just in case something goes wrong and we don't get the WH.
I ant it all but nothing stopping us from wearing belts and suspenders.
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As unappealing as it may seem to say it, I think a President Romney or a President Huckabee would sign an ObamaCare repeal sent to them by a GOP majority congress. All indications are that we will hold the house and gain the Senate in 2012.
We'll never know because they are unelectable.
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Holding the House isn't one of my goals. I want majorities big enough in House and Senate to overcome any Veto just in case something goes wrong and we don't get the WH.
I ant it all but nothing stopping us from wearing belts and suspenders.
::thumbsup::
With that a successful prosecution of impeachment and with that a revocation of everything he passed every bill he signed.
whew!
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The same Ruling Class apparatchiks of the GOP did much to try and undermine Reagan's presidential ambitions. In 1980 they said the successful Republican candidate needs to be someone in the mold of Gerald Ford. But Reagan articulated the conservative position unapologetically and without obfuscation. He won. Big.
I am done with their game of making us into Oliver Twist asking "please sir, may I have some more?" We're teetering on the brink so precariously that even if we do elect a solid conservative it's no guarantee -- we may be too far gone to remedy -- so I really see no big harm in spoiling RINO ambitions even at the cost of another term for Obama.
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The same Ruling Class apparatchiks of the GOP did much to try and undermine Reagan's presidential ambitions. In 1980 they said the successful Republican candidate needs to be someone in the mold of Gerald Ford. But Reagan articulated the conservative position unapologetically and without obfuscation. He won. Big.
I am done with their game of making us into Oliver Twist asking "please sir, may I have some more?" We're teetering on the brink so precariously that even if we do elect a solid conservative it's no guarantee -- we may be too far gone to remedy -- so I really see no big harm in spoiling RINO ambitions even at the cost of another term for Obama.
He's welcome to another tearm as long as he's staring at a completely Republican controlled House and Senate.And once again I mean numbers that can over ride his veto pen and stick it up his AZZ!
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...We're teetering on the brink so precariously that even if we do elect a solid conservative it's no guarantee -- we may be too far gone to remedy -- so I really see no big harm in spoiling RINO ambitions even at the cost of another term for Obama.
I realize this sounds like the words of Satan himself to good conservative ears. But like Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, and many other voices out there who're not afraid to call a spade a spade, I believe that universal health care is indeed the "crown jewel of socialism". I believe if it stands, America falls. Through a full government takeover of the health care of every citizen, the government will finally eradicate our liberty, and eventually our constitution.
You're right in that with all the myriad problems pushing us toward the cliff, we are standing on the brink of it, and any number or combination of events could push us over with a breath. But I believe that ObamaCare lasting beyond 2012 will guarantee our country's demise.
And it is in that context only that I say spoiling RINO ambitions at the cost of another term for Obama does not come without harm. The 2010 GOP House is trying hard to move beyond the business-as-usual dynamic that has gripped it for decades. It struggles as a body, and frustrates in its glaring imperfection, but so far it has moved in the direction of putting the brakes on and sending the right message. The balance of power in the Senate is poised for a similar shift. With 21 Democrat/2 Democrat-leaning Independent seats up for grabs against only 10 GOP seats up for grabs, the tables will almost certainly turn, meaning that a full repeal of ObamaCare would likely make it to the President's desk.
If that moment comes, and our distaste for a Pawlenty or Daniels, (or God forbid Romney or Huckabee) drives us to stand aside and allow another Obama term, then we pass on the opportunity to steal the crown jewel from the Socialists, and ObamaCare will be ensconced until the nation collapses by its own weight.
Constantly being forced to choose the lesser of two evils is damned frustrating. I don't blame anyone for saying "no more". Honestly, I do not. I am an inch away from that myself, and there certainly are RINO candidates for whom I would likely not be able to cast a vote. This is a sensitive topic, and I've seen it blow up before, so I want to say right now again that I am only giving my perspective and the reasons for it, and not passing judgment on anyone else's choice. And in the interest of discourse and education, I'm always interested to hear where someone else can poke holes in my position.
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That's your opinion, you're entitled to it and to voice it here, and I don't perceive you sitting in judgment on anyone or his/her opinion.
I wanted to clarify my post from last night because I didn't want folks thinking I was taking issue with their opinions as it sure looked like that this morning, even to me.
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That's your opinion, you're entitled to it and to voice it here, and I don't perceive you sitting in judgment on anyone or his/her opinion.
I wanted to clarify my post from last night because I didn't want folks thinking I was taking issue with their opinions as it sure looked like that this morning, even to me.
I know on both counts. I just also know I have seen this topic go nuclear, and I don't want that to happen. It probably won't because GScott's not here.
::stirpot::
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That's your opinion, you're entitled to it and to voice it here, and I don't perceive you sitting in judgment on anyone or his/her opinion.
I wanted to clarify my post from last night because I didn't want folks thinking I was taking issue with their opinions as it sure looked like that this morning, even to me.
I know on both counts. I just also know I have seen this topic go nuclear, and I don't want that to happen. It probably won't because GScott's not here.
::stirpot::
Are you sure?
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::thumbsup::
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Romney is not on my "A" list. He is not invited to the wedding.
Ya know, dammit, I'm resolved to vote for whomever is running against Obama. Frackin' Cornelius from Planet of the Apes would make a better President. Palin, Cain, Pawlenty, Gingrich, Barbour, Romney, Huckabee, or whoever else has a shot at the nomination will seem ushered in by a Heavenly Host compared to Obama, and even if they stink, I'll hold my nose and vote for them.
But if the nominee is not a strong conservative with clearly defined positions and principles, they will lose to Obama. Among all the supposed GOP "frontrunners" Romney is the one with the least clearly defined conservative positions and principles, and he will lose the election.
I remember in '06 and '07 how increasingly vocal I became when it came to finding and supporting a candidate for prez. Remember how romney and juliani were touted as early favorites? And everyone kept looking at each other and asking, "Did you suggest this guy? I know that I didn't!"
Over and over "someone" kept pushing marginal, moderate, mushy pubbies our way. We kept pushing them away saying, "No thanks, I'd prefer a conservative".
They would push someone like romney or hucklebee in our faces and say, "See, this guy is just what you ordered" "Conservative all the way" "Trust me".
My early favorite was Duncan Hunter. If you were looking for a smart administrator with loads of common sense and a conservative perspective, he would do admirably. If you were looking for the stylish "rock star" you needed to look to a bozo like Øbongo.
But I saw almost immediately that no matter how able or outstanding a job Hunter would do, we would never know because he didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected. He simply failed on the runway walk.
I've always admired Fred Thompson and when he announced that he might announce that he was thinking of announcing, I became caught up in the "Yea, why not?" wagon train. More like a train wreck. Enough of that!
One by one the conservatives fell away or were swept away by the sheer weight of the good ol boy network. Until they announced "our" champion - John McCain. Boy wasn't that a kick in the breadbasket! I had more enthusiasm voting for Bob Dole! Actually that isn't completely true.
I vowed not to vote at all. I had this quaint notion about my vote counting for something and too important to waste on foolish or frivolous things. Sarah Palin brought me back. If not for her I would not have cast a ballot in '08. There was no way that I was wasting my vote on Capt. Queeg!
And when Queeg floundered, and he and his motley crew tried to pull Sarah under with him I renewed my vow, "Nevermore!"
So I restate my pledge, my vow, my promise to the Republican party - "Send me a conservative that I can vote for or do not expect a vote from me." I will sit it out.
My pantry is full. My locker is stocked. I have provisioned myself for the worst. I know that only a strong conservative can rectify the problems we have (romney and huck need not apply). If we do not get a conservative we will slip off the edge - there is no other forecast, no other option, no other fate for us.
My expectation, based on what I've seen so far, is that (and I mean this in the nicest possible way) we are doomed. The left entered into an unholy alliance with Øbongo & Co. and are committed. The GOP is dithering and equivocating and wussing out as usual.
Pardon me....I've got to get back to work on my bunker...
This is what the thumbs-up was for!
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IDP said:
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If that moment comes, and our distaste for a Pawlenty or Daniels, (or God forbid Romney or Huckabee) drives us to stand aside and allow another Obama term, then we pass on the opportunity to steal the crown jewel from the Socialists, and ObamaCare will be ensconced until the nation collapses by its own weight. ...
If we have a Republican house and senate there will be no bill to sign.
The Republican House has the defunding purse strings and the shiny new Republican Senate can sign off on it.
If they have the will they can hamstring LBJ.
Currently our politicians are misbehaving children and they must be taught a lesson or they will turn into delinquents. They received a spanking in '10 if they haven't learned their lesson they will receive a whipping in '12. That's my money, time, and vote.
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I H8 Ruling Class apparatchiks of all stripes.
If we are offered yet another lesser of two evils situation, to me, that will be the signal flare stating the GOP doesn't give a damn any more about adherence to Founding Principles...especially our those affecting our Liberty!
I cannot say for certain what I would do in such a situation. Throwing away my vote for another watered-down candidate who will only get their ass handed to them by the Obama machine and the MFM...or just go Galt and let the system fail.
I really hate these choices.
Having nobody to vote for that I can believe in? Is there anything else capable of crushing ones enthusiasm so completely?
This test is for the GOP to either get it right or go down in flames...there is no middle ground, not anymore.
*Just my two bits, nothing more!
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Janny (Hi, BTW!) and Pan and I are like-minded! I will not vote for another RINO. I'd rather have obama take full blame for what may come. And it's comin'! Any R getting in will just be used as a poster-boy (or girl) by the libiots as to why the R brand is disastrous for the country, even though we'd know better. Some won't.
Hi, Dan!
I was so disappointed in 2008, when I got stuck with McCain as the nominee before I even got to vote in my primary. ::cussing::
Prior to the Dems taking back the house, I actually believed that a president McCain would have done more harm to the conservative cause than Hillary, who was then the presumed nominee. I had my problems with Bush, but I really thought McCain would be even more of a "reach across the aisle" appeaser than he was!
Once it became Obama vs. McCain, I had little choice, of course, but Palin as VP candidate helped me pull the lever for McCain.
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A few points....
1. I don't believe that Huckabee or Romney are electable, either, nor am I confident that they would sign a bill to repeal Obamacare. I would love to see that happen, of course.
2. I believe one big reason we got stuck with Obama is because we allowed the blood libel media to choose an "electable" RINO for us in '08. ::bashing::
3. If the choice is between some RINO squish who will undermine conservatism and another four years of Obama, it is going to be tough choice for me. Especially if we control both branches of Congress.
4. I will keep an open mind, but right now I feel very uncomfortable with Romney or Huckabee for our nominee.
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I don't mind admitting i'll be in a quandary if the correct republican does not get the nomination. I sincerely don't know if I can sit on the sidelines and watch obama elected a 2nd term....Not obama. Maybe any other liberal....but not obama.
I don't see obama as a run of the mill liberal....I see obama as a different type of threat to our nation. He appeases the wrong groups and ignores our trusted allies. I believe he operates with a willful intent to weaken this nation...and I can't live under it or with it.
I'm sorry, but I just don't believe I can sit it out. I'll take my chances influencing a rino.
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If the GOP were to control both houses of congress and the presidency in 2012 - even if that GOP president were a RINO - the pressure would be IMMENSE to follow through on a full repeal of ObamaCare. It is the single defining issue that has driven the electorate away from the Democrat party unlike anything I've ever seen.
I can't stand the thought of a President Romney, Huckabee, or a handful of the others they keep trying to shove down our throats. But I respectfully disagree with our new member Janny and say that I think there is slim-to-zero chance that an OCare repeal sent to any GOP president with a shot at the nomination by a GOP majority congress in 2012 would not be signed.
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You may be right IDP, but if another RINO gets the GOP nomination, you're making a big assumption they can beat Obama. I can only see a candidate unafraid of confronting pure evil doing what it takes to beat back the Obamazombies. And there are precious few that can fill that bill. Another RINO nominee could set in motion a premature third party candidacy. I can only sympathize with the latter, since such a large segment of conservatives have had it with the same old wishy-washy crap. And I say premature in that I just don't think there is enough time, even if they start now, to launch a third party...there is just no room for error in fixing this nation peacefully. That's just how I say it. Realistically, had Palin not been chosen by McCain there is no way in hell I would have ever pulled the lever for him in '08. And if Palin had instead chosen to carry an independent banner, I would have followed that flag instead...and perhaps that could have laid a better foundation for a third party run in '12 ala Reagan in '76. So in hindsight, perhaps the chance of a viable third party option has already passed. And if the GOP screws it up this time around...I think we are only fooling ourselves if we think we can survive another trip back across the Styx.
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You may be right IDP, but if another RINO gets the GOP nomination, you're making a big assumption they can beat Obama....
OH NO! I don't assume it or even dare to hope it Libertas. I really think the only hope of beating Obama is to nominate the anti-Obama. All I'm saying is that God forbid a RINO is the nominee, I still find the prospect of conservatives banding together once more under the GOP banner an idea that is not without supporting logic.
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You may be right IDP, but if another RINO gets the GOP nomination, you're making a big assumption they can beat Obama....
OH NO! I don't assume it or even dare to hope it Libertas. I really think the only hope of beating Obama is to nominate the anti-Obama. All I'm saying is that God forbid a RINO is the nominee, I still find the prospect of conservatives banding together once more under the GOP banner an idea that is not without supporting logic.
I gotchya. But I have to think finding enthusiastic support under such a banner problematic, so I'll respectfully disagree on the nature of the supporting logic behind it. It basically is the same Faustian bargain the Ruling Class keeps taunting us with - "What are ya gonna do? Not vote and let Obama win?". Not exactly the kind of rallying cry designed to win much support. So instead of offering the RC their get-out-of-jail-free card and let them blame us right-wing extremists for handing Obama another victory laurel, the debate needs to return to what We the People demand, and will hold the party accountable for if they fail to act on our will, and let the blood be on their hands should they screw the pooch!
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You may be right IDP, but if another RINO gets the GOP nomination, you're making a big assumption they can beat Obama....
OH NO! I don't assume it or even dare to hope it Libertas. I really think the only hope of beating Obama is to nominate the anti-Obama. All I'm saying is that God forbid a RINO is the nominee, I still find the prospect of conservatives banding together once more under the GOP banner an idea that is not without supporting logic.
I gotchya. But I have to think finding enthusiastic support under such a banner problematic, so I'll respectfully disagree on the nature of the supporting logic behind it. It basically is the same Faustian bargain the Ruling Class keeps taunting us with - "What are ya gonna do? Not vote and let Obama win?". Not exactly the kind of rallying cry designed to win much support. So instead of offering the RC their get-out-of-jail-free card and let them blame us right-wing extremists for handing Obama another victory laurel, the debate needs to return to what We the People demand, and will hold the party accountable for if they fail to act on our will, and let the blood be on their hands should they screw the pooch!
Valid points all. I can't argue against them with anything I haven't already said.
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You may be right IDP, but if another RINO gets the GOP nomination, you're making a big assumption they can beat Obama....
OH NO! I don't assume it or even dare to hope it Libertas. I really think the only hope of beating Obama is to nominate the anti-Obama. All I'm saying is that God forbid a RINO is the nominee, I still find the prospect of conservatives banding together once more under the GOP banner an idea that is not without supporting logic.
I gotchya. But I have to think finding enthusiastic support under such a banner problematic, so I'll respectfully disagree on the nature of the supporting logic behind it. It basically is the same Faustian bargain the Ruling Class keeps taunting us with - "What are ya gonna do? Not vote and let Obama win?". Not exactly the kind of rallying cry designed to win much support. So instead of offering the RC their get-out-of-jail-free card and let them blame us right-wing extremists for handing Obama another victory laurel, the debate needs to return to what We the People demand, and will hold the party accountable for if they fail to act on our will, and let the blood be on their hands should they screw the pooch!
Valid points all. I can't argue against them with anything I haven't already said.
I just really really really hope they don't put us in that situation. I really fear what it could mean. Cross fingers, work hard to avoid it and of course lots of ::praying:: ::praying:: ::praying:: !