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Title: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 28, 2011, 04:36:37 PM: Georgia Woman Claims 13-Year Affair with Herman Cain (http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/ginger-white-claims-affair-herman-cain-20111127-es)

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Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: AmericanPatriot on November 28, 2011, 04:45:01 PM: Surely, he couldn't have not screwed all these women!
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: BMG on November 28, 2011, 04:56:02 PM: Meh, with Cain they can't use the race card so they're using the sex card. /shrug

None of this stuff affects whether I'd vote for him or not. Maybe things would be different if they had a stained dress...a dead girl in a car in a drainage ditch...or a stinky cigar or something. Maybe a sex tape...but nope, all they got is shady women with ties to top tier democrats and/or pasts of similar accusations and lawsuits.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: AlanS on November 28, 2011, 06:19:30 PM: Quote from: BMG on November 28, 2011, 04:56:02 PM
None of this stuff affects whether I'd vote for him or not.

Same here. He's still the best of the lot.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: AmericanPatriot on November 28, 2011, 06:25:25 PM: Quote from: AlanS on November 28, 2011, 06:19:30 PM
Quote from: BMG on November 28, 2011, 04:56:02 PM
None of this stuff affects whether I'd vote for him or not.

Same here. He's still the best of the lot.

Ain't that sad if he's the best we got
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: Predator Don on November 28, 2011, 06:30:08 PM: Bill Clinton, the first black president, had affairs, interns, "special services", a history of harrassing women and is a hero of the left.

Herman Cain, not so much.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 28, 2011, 07:05:05 PM: You'd think a least one black woman, or Indian, or China, or something.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: Predator Don on November 28, 2011, 07:19:39 PM: All these affairs and no love children.......yet..... ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: Libertas on November 28, 2011, 07:22:04 PM: I guess they think his name is Wilt.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: trapeze on November 28, 2011, 08:34:20 PM: The statement issued by his lawyer pretty much says it all without saying much of anything. The lawyer is attempting to use the "this is a private matter between consenting adults" strategy.

Let me think on that for a moment. That has worked how many times in the past?

Oh, yeah...zero.

(This is where someone suggests sticking a fork in him.)
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: John Florida on November 28, 2011, 08:51:24 PM: I don't give a hot damn about any of this trash!!

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Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: Alphabet Soup on November 28, 2011, 09:09:11 PM: Quote from: AmericanPatriot on November 28, 2011, 04:45:01 PM
Surely, he couldn't have not screwed all these women!

Maybe not at the same time :o
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: Damn_Lucky on November 28, 2011, 09:22:12 PM: Starting to sound like a Pile on to me.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: trapeze on November 28, 2011, 10:26:15 PM: Quote from: John Florida on November 28, 2011, 08:51:24 PM
I don't give a hot damn about any of this trash!!

Ya know, JF, I didn't care about any of the previous bimbos either. That's because by the time they hit the fan I had more or less already written Cain off as a non-serious candidate. Oh, sure, I still thought that he was correct in most (if not all) of his principles even if he had a rather clumsy way of communicating them at the time. But what eventually pulled me out of his camp was the growing evidence that he didn't want to be president badly enough to learn the basic policy positions. His frequently offered answer to mildly difficult (and sometimes easy) questions, "I'll have top experts advise me..." is not what I am looking for in a leader.

So...I wasn't really interested in the previous round of very weak allegations against him.

And, truth be told, I'm not really interested in this allegation either for the very same reason.

But, that said, this allegation seems to be different. It seems authentic. The phone records are damning. The non-denial statement by his lawyer is damning. The accuser's reasons for coming forward have the ring of truth to them. If her story holds up (and I think it probably will) then Cain is finished. And I don't mean just in the nomination race. This kind of very public revelation can be devastating for every aspect of a person's life.

I see all this as good, though, for the nomination process. What doesn't kill our candidates will make them stronger. It's a proper vetting that the Dingus never got and can't get now. That President Downgrade hasn't been vetted leaves him wide open to a challenger publicly demanding that his past be revealed. I don't know if anyone will ever demand that but they could. And should.

What I am wondering right now is just how much more is unknown about Gingrich and when will it come out. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 28, 2011, 10:35:59 PM: Quote from: trapeze on November 28, 2011, 10:26:15 PM
....That President Downgrade hasn't been vetted leaves him wide open to a challenger publicly demanding that his past be revealed...

It is utterly irresponsible that the President of the United States has not been forced by either his opposition or the media to reveal his academic records. It's alternative universe-like in how unbelievable it is.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: trapeze on November 28, 2011, 11:17:53 PM: If you saw my other post about his "black hole" past we are talking about way more than school records at this point. Sooner or later it will morph into an emperor with no clothes kind of thing and people are going to start talking about it in a way that will be hard to ignore.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 29, 2011, 12:58:23 AM: The media will be shocked, shocked and so offended by
his taking advantage of their innocence. Breaking News MSM,
there'll also be trials for you.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: Sectionhand on November 29, 2011, 01:37:29 AM: Quote from: trapeze on November 28, 2011, 10:26:15 PM

But, that said, this allegation seems to be different. It seems authentic. The phone records are damning. The non-denial statement by his lawyer is damning. The accuser's reasons for coming forward have the ring of truth to them....

And the autobiography he signed for her ... " Thanks for everything ! Love Hermie " doesn't help .
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: John Florida on November 29, 2011, 07:02:08 AM: I don't care what he did or didn't do because I don't believe he's going to be there in the end.But I would say that every dirty thing thing that is being done to this Black Man is the kind of thing that is now acceptable for any Black Man in or running for office and there better not be any cying foul by the left.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: Libertas on November 29, 2011, 07:57:43 AM: He should tout his virility and see if he can pick up some endorsements from condom manufacturers.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: AlanS on November 29, 2011, 11:53:56 AM: You mean to tell me you guys are actually buy the crap this "woman" is putting out?
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: BMG on November 29, 2011, 12:17:50 PM: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/284321/breaking-cain-reassessing-candidacy-robert-costa (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/284321/breaking-cain-reassessing-candidacy-robert-costa)

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In a conference call this morning, Herman Cain told his senior staff that he is “reassessing” whether to remain in the race. He will make his final decision “over the next several days.”

At this point it doesn't matter whether I think he would be good in the office or not. At this point, it appears as though a simple smear campaign with no basis in reality (at least none that is verifiable with any shred of proof as yet) has succeeded in running a candidate from his campaign. Not that something like that hasn't been done before...but what gets me is that the VAST majority of the media has been complicit in the whole thing. Sure, the media has done such things before by I don't think to this scale and with so very little actual proof. Basically the media has gotten away with ejecting a person from the campaign for the president of the US simply by claiming he did something that isn't (at this point anyway) even a serious deal...and that's all they had...an unsupportable claim.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: AmericanPatriot on November 29, 2011, 01:11:35 PM: Assessing whether to leave the race makes me wonder if there isn't something to this one
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 29, 2011, 01:30:54 PM: Quote from: AlanS on November 29, 2011, 11:53:56 AM
You mean to tell me you guys are actually buy the crap this "woman" is putting out?

I do, yes... Text messaging every couple days; calling himself "Hermie"; his wife is unaware of the "friendship"; Saying he was trying to "help her financially" for 13 years; Cain's lawyer issuing a non-denial/denial prior to the woman coming forward...

All signs point to yes. I'm not passing judgment or saying definitively. But it is beginning to appear that Mr. Cain has a problem with fidelity to his beautiful wife and family.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: BMG on November 29, 2011, 01:34:17 PM: It doesn't much matter if this latest charge against Cain is true or not. If it is, it was a consensual affair. There was nothing illegal about it from what I've read so far. So it comes back to what I said in my last post on the subject...

...the media has the power to pick and choose our candidates there is no question about that after having seen the way Cain has been handled. In the past there was always a sense of such a thing and certainly there was the notion that the media could at least influence elections. But in this case (and as far as I know this is the first time to this degree), the media is actually choosing a candidate for us by omitting other candidates.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: Libertas on November 29, 2011, 02:48:23 PM: he should go nuclear, whip out names and photos of every hot babe on the planet and brag about nailing them, leave it up to them to deny it, throw a lot of well known proglodytes into the mix too, could be a hell of a good show!

::evil::

::stirpot::
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: trapeze on November 29, 2011, 03:18:32 PM: Quote from: AlanS on November 29, 2011, 11:53:56 AM
You mean to tell me you guys are actually buy the crap this "woman" is putting out?

As I stated earlier, Alan, the Cain train left the station quite a while back for me. He didn't take running for office seriously and therefore was not worthy of my serious consideration.

As regards "this woman," again, as I stated earlier, this one is different. I will be pleasantly surprised if it all blows up and turns out to be totally fabricated but I wouldn't wager money in that direction. If I were going to put money down on the situation at this particular point I would bet against Cain being innocent.

And it just doesn't matter after that. We aren't libs. Morality and integrity matter to conservatives. We know that if a man is dishonest in his personal relationships then he is not trustworthy with the responsibilities that come with high elected office.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the latest bimbo's tale is true. That means that Cain has been living a lie for the last decade plus. That means that he has very likely lied to the faces of his campaign staff within the last three weeks. Certainly after the initial (probably fake) revelations Cain would have been asked by his senior staff if there was anything else out there that might come out. If he told them that there was nothing then he lied to them.

Telling the truth is a big thing to me. I have literally walked away from established business relationships when I discovered that I was being lied to. The money to be made wasn't worth it because I could no longer believe that I was being dealt with honestly. I will not invest my time, money and vote in someone who demonstrates that they are dishonest in their interpersonal relationships.

Extramarital affairs are a serious deal breaker for me. The character flaw involved is a big one. It involves years of careful deception and deceit. There is absolutely no way that I would support someone who acted in such a way. And yeah, there is a big difference between someone who has a momentary lapse of reason and someone who WORKS at it for over a decade. There is a difference between someone who, their marriage being essentially dead, plays the field while a separation and divorce is pending (mutual spousal knowledge) and someone who makes regular hookups out of town for a decade or more.

Seriously, if your spousal relationship is so miserable that you have to seek satisfaction elsewhere (for years) then man up and get a divorce.

The problem for Cain is that he wanted the best of both worlds. He wanted to be the upstanding pillar of the community, the business leader with integrity, the church pastor, the best-selling author, etc. but he also wanted to get his end wet with whomever he could cajole into a hotel room. The notion that you can live such a double life forever with no consequences is narcissistic...yet another unacceptable character flaw.

IF he is guilty.

And he probably is. It certainly doesn't look good.

But no, this isn't the thing that put me off of Cain. It will be something that I can point to in the future, though, and breath a sigh of relief that I made the right decision earlier. There will be no remorse for me that I dropped Cain from consideration. Not ever.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: BigAlSouth on November 29, 2011, 03:29:43 PM: Look, assuming that Cain's assessment of the relationship was that of a "friendship" and not physical, I find his meeting this woman at hotels alone very troubling. Unless his wife knew about this "friendship", then Mr. Cain stepped over the line of marital fidelity. Even a platonic, intimate, non-physical relationship is very dangerous in a committed marriage. You know, they always say "they are just friends" but the truthfully they are probably "friends with benefits".
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: trapeze on November 29, 2011, 03:33:38 PM: Quote from: BigAlSouth on November 29, 2011, 03:29:43 PM
Look, assuming that Cain's assessment of the relationship was that of a "friendship" and not physical, I find his meeting this woman at hotels alone very troubling. Unless his wife knew about this "friendship", then Mr. Cain stepped over the line of marital fidelity. Even a platonic, intimate, non-physical relationship is very dangerous in a committed marriage. You know, they always say "they are just friends" but the truthfully they are probably "friends with benefits".

Your scenario suggests a very serious lapse in judgement. Not exactly presidential.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: Damn_Lucky on November 29, 2011, 04:17:02 PM: Can I get butter and jam with my toast? ::thinking::
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: Glock32 on November 29, 2011, 09:51:04 PM: He's done. And I agree with Trap, my enthusiasm for him was starting to falter before all this. I don't want to fall into the tempting pattern of thinking that because the current occupant of the White House is so awful, I can excuse potential challengers for seemingly lacking the solemn, serious demeanor required for the office of POTUS.

Any chance of Bachmann moving back up to the front if Cain drops out? One would think she is the one likely to benefit most from Cain's supporters.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 29, 2011, 09:55:40 PM: Quote from: trapeze on November 29, 2011, 03:18:32 PM
...There will be no remorse for me that I dropped Cain from consideration. Not ever.

My regret re; Cain is that he didn't pan out to be who it appeared he might be at the outset. My bigger regret is that he has quite possibly mortally wounded the notion of a private citizen being elected to high office without the benefit of working up through the party ranks.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 29, 2011, 10:06:20 PM: It's rough. If he had been a serious candidate once or twice or once elected
he would have received a thorough ectomy, had most of it under the bridge
and been prepared for what was coming.

I think he's a good man and he was a big threat to Obama, the Establishment
Republicans, and each individual candidate; it was a truly Herculean venture.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: Alphabet Soup on November 29, 2011, 10:21:45 PM: OK, so a while ago I postulated that Cain might (how can I put this delicately?) fancy himself to be a ladies' man. I was operating on the premise that "with smoke there's fire" in the wake of more and more (and more) allegations of inappropriate behavior towards females.

I was still discounting the bulk of the rhetoric because most of what they were claiming appeared coached and incendiary - staged, but with the increasing weight of evidence surely some off it had to have some element off truth?

And it was his responses to the inquiries that spiked my doubts. It seemed to me that, despite his denials, his answers increasingly convey the pretense that he didn't believe that he had done anything wrong, but that he had to try to disguise his true behavior for appearances sake.

In spite of all that I too still think he's a good man and I'd trust him with our country before I'd trust Øbozo with my dirty cat box.

But I'm drifting afield. My question:

If Cain had been up-front about his dalliances with the women would it have made a difference?
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: Pandora on November 29, 2011, 10:29:41 PM: Quote
If Cain had been up-front about his dalliances with the women would it have made a difference?

Depends. How long ago was this alleged 13-year 'dalliance'? Long enough ego that he'd have had time to confess his sins, done penance, and amended his life (Amen!)?

So, there's that, and I have a question based on something I've read elsewhere, that this while this 'dalliance' supposedly was conducted, he was undergoing chemo for his cancer. Anybody have a correct read on the chronology?
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: Glock32 on November 29, 2011, 10:30:19 PM: Quote
If Cain had been up-front about his dalliances with the women would it have made a difference?

IMO, no. Marital infidelity speaks to a character trait that is undesirable in the office of President. I also think it wouldn't have made a difference in the media coverage either, because Republicans are not allowed to have the same moral failings as Democrats. From the media's perspective, Republicans who falter are the truly despicable ones since much of their ideology is grounded on personal morality and responsibility; Democrats who are habitual philanderers on the other hand, are feted simply because they never make any pretenses to that sort of morality.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: Sectionhand on November 30, 2011, 04:25:07 AM: Quote from: trapeze on November 29, 2011, 03:33:38 PM

Your scenario suggests a very serious lapse in judgement. Not exactly presidential.

Historically most men have waited until they've spent a few years in the White House before tarnishing their image . Cain obviously believes in dispensing with the preliminaries .
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: John Florida on November 30, 2011, 07:32:25 AM: Quote from: Sectionhand on November 30, 2011, 04:25:07 AM
Quote from: trapeze on November 29, 2011, 03:33:38 PM

Your scenario suggests a very serious lapse in judgement. Not exactly presidential.

Historically most men have waited until they've spent a few years in the White House before tarnishing their image . Cain obviously believes in dispensing with the preliminaries .

He sure wasn't thinking about running for POTUS when this all happened if it did at all.
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: Libertas on November 30, 2011, 07:33:35 AM: Quote from: Sectionhand on November 30, 2011, 04:25:07 AM
Quote from: trapeze on November 29, 2011, 03:33:38 PM

Your scenario suggests a very serious lapse in judgement. Not exactly presidential.

Historically most men have waited until they've spent a few years in the White House before tarnishing their image . Cain obviously believes in dispensing with the preliminaries .

::hysterical::
Title: Re: Cain: Oh, BTW, the woman who's about to accuse me of a 13 year affair is lying
Post by: Predator Don on November 30, 2011, 12:30:43 PM: I'll admit I get frustrated over the fact morality and integrity seem to be a one way street as far as media coverage, or for that matter liberals in general.
I'm also frustrated, because in vetting Cain, it is not innocent until proven guilty. A media induced public perception has labeled him guilty. He may be guilty but it isn't the point. It is about a few % points, which renders him with an impotent candidacy.

So it really doesn't matter when each of us decide if Cain is a qualified candidate, worthy of our support. His fate was pre determined.