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Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: IronDioPriest on March 09, 2011, 01:22:19 PM
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Assuming this measure becomes law, we'll be able to watch Tennessee become a mecca for business relocation almost overnight.
Tennessee moves to constitutionally ban state income/payroll tax (http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2011/mar/09/senate-oks-measure-ban-tenn-income-tax/)
NASHVILLE, Tenn. — The Senate sponsor of a measure to amend the Tennessee Constitution to ban an income tax says the proposal will attract more businesses to Tennessee, even though opponents say it could hurt the state down the road.
The legislation sponsored by Republican Sen. Brian Kelsey of Germantown was approved 28-5 in the Republican-controlled Senate on Wednesday and is expected to have little trouble passing in the House, which is also dominated by the GOP.
"I think we have a lot more support in the House," Kelsey said after the vote.
The proposal, which would go on the ballot in 2014, would prohibit the state Legislature and counties and cities from passing either an income tax or a payroll tax.
Kelsey said such legislation should be attractive to businesses because of the "tough economic times."
"This is going to help us bring in jobs to Tennessee," he said. "We can say not only do we not have an income tax, but we'll never have an income tax."
Republican Sen. Rusty Crowe of Johnson City agreed the legislation is necessary for assurance.
"It's not always going to be upheld," said Crowe, referring to past attempts to pass an income tax in Tennessee.
However, Democratic Sen. Beverly Marrero of Memphis said the proposal could tie the hands of future state lawmakers who may want to take a different approach in dealing with the state's budget situation.
"I think it is bad ... for Tennessee," she said.
Other senators voting against the proposal were: Democrats Ophelia Ford and Reginald Tate, both of Memphis; and Thelma Harper and Douglas Henry, both of Nashville.
Jim Von Bramer, a member of Tennesseans for Fair Taxation, said in a news release that the legislation is irresponsible.
"Permanently blocking an income tax lets the wealthiest Tennesseans walk away from paying a fair share of state and local taxes forever while the rest of us pay much more of our income on food taxes and the basic necessities we buy from our local retailers," he said. "Our state budget gap will likely only grow as the federal budget shrinks. We are headed into a dark place, and now the state Senate says we should throw away our flashlight."
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Reading between the lines there, you see that Memphis wants to keep the ability to impose an income tax, because nobody there will have to pay it anyway. It's the same debate nationwide - the tax recipients voting to raise taxes on the payers.
I get so sick of whining about the "rich" not paying their "fair share". Considering the top 5% of earners already pay the lion's share of taxes, they're quite right, they aren't paying their "fair share".
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Tennessee: Home state to David Crockett!
Tennessee is aggressively marketing this in home lot development sales advertisements.
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I'm betting that when Predator Don gets here he'll be going ::whoohoo:: ::whoohoo:: ::whoohoo:: ::whoohoo:: ::whoohoo::
and maybe a little ::newyear:: ::newyear:: ::newyear:: ::newyear:: ::newyear::
and some ::praying:: ::praying:: ::praying:: ::praying:: ::praying::
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Why the whining from the usual assortment of leftist trash? Tennessee has NEVER had an income tax. If the leftist trash don't like that, why the bleep did they move to Tennessee?
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Why the whining from the usual assortment of leftist trash? Tennessee has NEVER had an income tax. If the leftist trash don't like that, why the bleep did they move to Tennessee?
The same reason they move to NC, Oregon, Idaho, Kentucky - Red States; they've so screwed up the Blue States, even they don't want to live there anymore, so they relocate and start the same sh*t all over again. Brainless Locusts.
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Why the whining from the usual assortment of leftist trash? Tennessee has NEVER had an income tax. If the leftist trash don't like that, why the bleep did they move to Tennessee?
The same reason they move to NC, Oregon, Idaho, Kentucky - Red States; they've so screwed up the Blue States, even they don't want to live there anymore, so they relocate and start the same sh*t all over again. Brainless Locusts.
Is is time yet for a tactical nuke?
(http://blastr.com/assets_c/2010/03/independence_day_Smith-thumb-550x412-36322.jpg)
"Welcome to earth! Now THAT's what I call a close encounter!"
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::hysterical::
Just about, Roy.
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That's why I can't get too excited about the red states gaining population while the blue states are losing population. It just means the red states are absorbing locusts fleeing the consequences of their own destructive policies in the blue states.
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That's why I can't get too excited about the red states gaining population while the blue states are losing population. It just means the red states are absorbing locusts fleeing the consequences of their own destructive policies in the blue states.
One of the most disappointing examples to me is Colorado.
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That's why I can't get too excited about the red states gaining population while the blue states are losing population. It just means the red states are absorbing locusts fleeing the consequences of their own destructive policies in the blue states.
One of the most disappointing examples to me is Colorado.
The left is unable to advance south into Castle Rock. Something about that gay rest stop in the pass seems to stop them there.
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That's why I can't get too excited about the red states gaining population while the blue states are losing population. It just means the red states are absorbing locusts fleeing the consequences of their own destructive policies in the blue states.
And after they arrive they start voting.
It screws the demographic to hell.
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I'm betting that when Predator Don gets here he'll be going ::whoohoo:: ::whoohoo:: ::whoohoo:: ::whoohoo:: ::whoohoo::
and maybe a little ::newyear:: ::newyear:: ::newyear:: ::newyear:: ::newyear::
and some ::praying:: ::praying:: ::praying:: ::praying:: ::praying::
well here's a PIPE dream........I'd be celebrating like that too but we have a better chance of a totus resignation than taxes leaving VA..............
Hell, that'd be a crackpipe dream hopped up on more steroids than every major league sports team combined.....times 2!!!
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We don't have a state income tax in Tennessee, but it hasn't stopped democrats from raising this issue to "adopt" a state income tax and "lower" the sales tax. Was a huge issue when Bredesan (D) ran for governor a 2nd term. All we heard was the income tax was dead....but it would always rear its head. It is true, the dems of Memphis are all for it because their voters wouldn't pay. They detest the sales tax because memphis must pay into the system.
We all know what happens in states who take on a state income tax, with the promise to leave the sales tax alone...it never happens. States end up with two taxes to be raised rather than one.
We are a right to work state with no state income tax. Our sales tax is 9.75%. The fair taxation groups are either liberal in nature or misguided republicans.
If we could annex Memphis to Arkansas our IQ would double ( no hick jokes... ::guitar::) and state revenue would skyrocket because the deadbeats would be out of the system.
Oh, and you may want to bing Tenncare if you want another sampling of how bad socialized medicine becomes.
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Even though I lived in Tennessee for a time and enjoyed the lack of an income tax I wonder about the legality of such a law banning future legislation . Could a state make collective bargaining by government employees a permanent and inviolable legal right ? I don't know but it's certainly not something we'd want to see happen . I would tend to think that leaving things as they are would make more sense . It's pretty obvious that up to this point the voters of The Volunteer State have pointedly refused to levy an income tax on themselves and doubtful that they will in the forseeable future . At least it provides some food for thought .
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Looters are like locusts...how true.
The remedy may be the same as well...
;D
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Even though I lived in Tennessee for a time and enjoyed the lack of an income tax I wonder about the legality of such a law banning future legislation . Could a state make collective bargaining by government employees a permanent and inviolable legal right ? I don't know but it's certainly not something we'd want to see happen . I would tend to think that leaving things as they are would make more sense . It's pretty obvious that up to this point the voters of The Volunteer State have pointedly refused to levy an income tax on themselves and doubtful that they will in the forseeable future . At least it provides some food for thought .
It is a worthy point to say that constitutions should not be trifled with, and that if they are too changeable, then geese and ganders will eventually get around to messing with things that ought not be messed with.
I see this as a good measure though. It doesn't cut off the ability to collect revenue - only the ability to collect it through an income tax. Progressive income tax is the primary method of redistributing wealth from the productive class to the unproductive class and public sector, and Tennessee is saying they want nothing to do with it constitutionally. That is a recipe for economic growth and development, as businesses and workers can have confidence going forward that progressive taxation will not happen in Tennessee. I'd embrace it if I lived there.
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Washington state has a constitutional ban of a state income tax and it is probably the only reason I'm still here. The dhimmicrats have turned themselves inside out trying to find a way to circumvent it. Recently they tried to pretend it didn't exist - that didn't go over well ;-)
In spite of that we "enjoy" one of the heaviest tax burdens in the country. I can't even imagine how hard the hit would be if the crap-weasels got their way.
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Speaking of taxes....this clip always reminds me of the methodology employed by "enlightened" and "progressive" (spit!) dhimmicrats when it comes to taxation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0ahJPxfGp4&feature=related
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'Struth.
Forgot about that movie; I remember liking it. Going to have to find the DVD.
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'Struth.
Forgot about that movie; I remember liking it. Going to have to find the DVD.
Yea, cute movie. It got me into the habit of referring to #1 as swee'pee ;-)
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'Struth.
Forgot about that movie; I remember liking it. Going to have to find the DVD.
Yea, cute movie. It got me into the habit of referring to #1 as swee'pee ;-)
Same here with "Pookie" from "Cool World"; first sorta tongue-in-cheek. Now, not so much tongue-in-cheek. It's "Pookie" and "Other Pookie". What can I say.
Watching TV show "Royal Pains" and was quite amused that Henry Winkler's character refers to his older-lady squeeze as "Schmoopie".
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'Struth.
Forgot about that movie; I remember liking it. Going to have to find the DVD.
Yea, cute movie. It got me into the habit of referring to #1 as swee'pee ;-)
Same here with "Pookie" from "Cool World"; first sorta tongue-in-cheek. Now, not so much tongue-in-cheek. It's "Pookie" and "Other Pookie". What can I say.
Watching TV show "Royal Pains" and was quite amused that Henry Winkler's character refers to his older-lady squeeze as "Schmoopie".
I always thought Schmoopie was a Seinfeld thing. Whatever the case, even I have my limits ::)
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Even though I lived in Tennessee for a time and enjoyed the lack of an income tax I wonder about the legality of such a law banning future legislation . Could a state make collective bargaining by government employees a permanent and inviolable legal right ? I don't know but it's certainly not something we'd want to see happen . I would tend to think that leaving things as they are would make more sense . It's pretty obvious that up to this point the voters of The Volunteer State have pointedly refused to levy an income tax on themselves and doubtful that they will in the forseeable future . At least it provides some food for thought .
It is a worthy point to say that constitutions should not be trifled with, and that if they are too changeable, then geese and ganders will eventually get around to messing with things that ought not be messed with.
I see this as a good measure though. It doesn't cut off the ability to collect revenue - only the ability to collect it through an income tax. Progressive income tax is the primary method of redistributing wealth from the productive class to the unproductive class and public sector, and Tennessee is saying they want nothing to do with it constitutionally. That is a recipe for economic growth and development, as businesses and workers can have confidence going forward that progressive taxation will not happen in Tennessee. I'd embrace it if I lived there.
I understand your point . But I'm inclined more to the point Soup makes . If it were written into the state constitution rather than being a simple statute I'd feel more comfortable . As for the comments of the advocate for fair taxation ( can't remember his name or bring up the quote ) he fails to understand or probably ignores the fact that more is paid in state sales tax by upper income individuals in Tennessee than lower and middle income individuals . "Fair share" my ass !
Although I'll admit to skirting the Tenn. sales tax myself when in 1984 I went to West Memphis , Arkansas and bought a car .
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...If it were written into the state constitution rather than being a simple statute I'd feel more comfortable ...
That IS the proposal. The legislation would put a constitutional amendment on the ballot for popular vote in 2014.
It's a poorly written article that seems to obscure that a bit, but I just read it again, and that's what I get when I read it.
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...If it were written into the state constitution rather than being a simple statute I'd feel more comfortable ...
That IS the proposal. The legislation would put a constitutional amendment on the ballot for popular vote in 2014.
It's a poorly written article that seems to obscure that a bit, but I just read it again, and that's what I get when I read it.
True....We will need a admendment vote in 2014.
Two times in Tennessee history, the court has ruled a Tennessee income tax unconstitutional. This will only solidify what has already been found unconstitutional. Liberals have for years tried to subvert these rulings, twisting them to suit thier needs.