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Topics => TEOTWAWKI => Topic started by: John Florida on February 08, 2012, 11:05:27 PM
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I've decided to buy another generator for a back up to mine.One of the guys at work has decided to sell his generator(needs money) so I decided to help him out by releaving him of his problem. It's a Hoinda engine 10kw electric start with 18 hours on it for 400.bucks.
Which I would say qualifies it as a bargain!And it seems that there may be another one in the wings that's a 8kw northern tool unit for the same kind of money.
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Hmmm. Gonna need a container for all the gasoline required. About what storage method are you thinking?
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Hmmm. Gonna need a container for all the gasoline required. About what storage method are you thinking?
I can convert it to propane/natural gas/alcohol if I want to.Right now fuel storage isn't in the list here in FL.if I ever get out of here I'll deal with it. But in a pinch I'll get my hands on a couple more barrels or plastic tanks.
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At the scrapyard one may purchase tanks by the pound.
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At the scrapyard one may purchase tanks by the pound.
If it gets to that I'll buy a home heating oil tank but I prfer the plastic chemical tanks with the cage aroung them. You can get them used for about 175. buck for a three hundred or even bigger some times.The only draw back is that 55 gal barrels are easier to deal with.So it's a matter of whats around when I need to do it.
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One thing to remember. When you buy fuel in quatities, they will deliver. ::whoohoo::
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One thing to remember. When you buy fuel in quatities, they will deliver. ::whoohoo::
The problem is stabilizing it. Gasoline does go bad. (http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles/warner43.html)
Seems an elevated Farm tank (http://www.dultmeier.com/products/0.920.2422/455) is the best bet if you are going to do it, and then you use it to fill your cars for daily use as well ( Perhaps 2 tanks and then alternate so you always have one full? )
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Well I finally picked it up and it's in the truck as we speak. The reason it took so long is that the little dick tried to bump the price on me to 600. and I told him what he could do with it.
All of a sudden he shows up two days ago and tells me that the Generator is mine for the original 400 that HE quoted me, I told him to stuff it and if he wanted to sell I would only give him(I'm ashamed to say)at which point he gave me the "we had an agreement crap,and I reminded him that it wasn't me that voided the agreement and reminded him that that actions have consequences.
So I now have my back up generator complete with cover and cord and an 18 horse Honda on it.
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Horse tradin' son o'a gun.
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Horse tradin' son o'a gun.
::pimp::
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Well I finally picked it up and it's in the truck as we speak. The reason it took so long is that the little dick tried to bump the price on me to 600. and I told him what he could do with it.
All of a sudden he shows up two days ago and tells me that the Generator is mine for the original 400 that HE quoted me, I told him to stuff it and if he wanted to sell I would only give him(I'm ashamed to say)at which point he gave me the "we had an agreement crap,and I reminded him that it wasn't me that voided the agreement and reminded him that that actions have consequences.
So I now have my back up generator complete with cover and cord and an 18 horse Honda on it.
Good on ya!
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I got it running tonight and it runs perfect! ::danceban::
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I got it running tonight and it runs perfect! ::danceban::
Excellent!
I'll join ya'!
::bustamove::
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Now you have a back up for your back up.
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We need to find a 1650+ for the lake, would like a Honda, got a guy lined up to do the wiring for the house so we can run off generator and dispense with the extension cords & crap when power outages hit like last years storm.
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We need to find a 1650+ for the lake, would like a Honda, got a guy lined up to do the wiring for the house so we can run off generator and dispense with the extension cords & crap when power outages hit like last years storm.
You mean 16,500?How many amps do you need? Or what are you running.
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We need to find a 1650+ for the lake, would like a Honda, got a guy lined up to do the wiring for the house so we can run off generator and dispense with the extension cords & crap when power outages hit like last years storm.
You mean 16,500?How many amps do you need? Or what are you running.
To run the house when power goes out. I thought I heard my father say the electrician said we needed 6500 watts minimum, never done this so I don't really know. My big thing is using gasoline-powered generators, stuff doesn't store well and if just temp to get over a storm thats one thing, but if the SHTF gas could get depleted quick. I don't think my mother understands in a SHTF scenario running the whole house laundry et all off gas is not going to last long. I am lobbying for a propane-powered generator (more bucks) but the propane tank if kept topped off could last a lot longer if used to just power well pump. There might be some short-term draw on fridge & freezer while we gobble that stuff up first before cracking canned goods and then stored dehydrated stuff et all. I have plans for an outdoor biffy so we don't waste propane on septic pump. And we have the wood-buring stove for heat and light cooking and grills galore and firepit outside for cooking, so no wasted electircal draw there. I think propane would be the way to go but they are talking gas generators right now. We have lighting to resolve but our solar plans for minimal indoor lighting got put on hold. Lots of balls in the air and everything is still in flux and we have a family meeting over Memorial weekend to decide, so I am trying to find out what I can.
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This will give you a derection to think about:
(http://[url=http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/25496_lg.jpg]http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/25496_lg.jpg[/url])
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200497115_200497115 (http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200497115_200497115)
Best of all worlds,This just a jump point or if you can get oyur hands a deal like I got(lucky)talk to somebody about changing a gas generator over to propane or natural gas depending on what you have available.
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We need to find a 1650+ for the lake, would like a Honda, got a guy lined up to do the wiring for the house so we can run off generator and dispense with the extension cords & crap when power outages hit like last years storm.
You mean 16,500?How many amps do you need? Or what are you running.
To run the house when power goes out. I thought I heard my father say the electrician said we needed 6500 watts minimum, never done this so I don't really know. My big thing is using gasoline-powered generators, stuff doesn't store well and if just temp to get over a storm thats one thing, but if the SHTF gas could get depleted quick. I don't think my mother understands in a SHTF scenario running the whole house laundry et all off gas is not going to last long. I am lobbying for a propane-powered generator (more bucks) but the propane tank if kept topped off could last a lot longer if used to just power well pump. There might be some short-term draw on fridge & freezer while we gobble that stuff up first before cracking canned goods and then stored dehydrated stuff et all. I have plans for an outdoor biffy so we don't waste propane on septic pump. And we have the wood-buring stove for heat and light cooking and grills galore and firepit outside for cooking, so no wasted electircal draw there. I think propane would be the way to go but they are talking gas generators right now. We have lighting to resolve but our solar plans for minimal indoor lighting got put on hold. Lots of balls in the air and everything is still in flux and we have a family meeting over Memorial weekend to decide, so I am trying to find out what I can.
The trick is not to run them any more than you have to. If you run a smaller unit to keep the fridges cold it makes sense to have a small generator like a 3500 to do that with and run the big stuff only when needed to make the most out of your fuel. I have an 8kw in my sights but no need for it at this time I saw a 6500 today for 300. but no need for it so I passed on it. And part of the problem is where to put all the stuff even if I bought it.
I need to get the hell out of Florida and back north where houses have cellars,God I miss my old house.
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From JF's link:
(http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g369/J-reb/General/Power1.jpg)
I have a 4.5kw gas-powered genset and when my older frig cranks up and the 1500 watt microwave is going it bogs down pretty good. I know that I use the thing judiciously and since I can heat with wood I don't have to concern myself with the furnace kicking in automatically when everything else is going.
I haven't wired the X-over switch yet so I don't have hot water but I always have water heating on the stove and that fills the need for the most part. I use hurricane lamps and battery powered flashlights for light and only run my laptop so I don't need much more than that.
I do like the specs on the Winco genset though JF!
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Huh, they don't list well pump specs seperate, can't be much more than 1/2 hp sump pump I would think. I'll have to play around with this info, thanks JF.
Ohh, I see one problem, that 9000 has a B&S engine, my BIL the contractor loaths Briggs & Stratton! But the 8k has a honda. ::thumbsup::
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Huh, they don't list well pump specs seperate, can't be much more than 1/2 hp sump pump I would think. I'll have to play around with this info, thanks JF.
Ohh, I see one problem, that 9000 has a B&S engine, my BIL the contractor loaths Briggs & Stratton! But the 8k has a honda. ::thumbsup::
I used this unit as an example of a multifuel unit,pointing out that you can have a multitude of options for fuel. Gases when you have them and gasoline when you have it,but keep in mind that all fuels don't put out the same power. A 9kw on gasoline isn't going to put out 9kw on the other fuels,natural gas being the worst of the three.
And no a 1/2 horse sump pump isn't the same as a 1/2 horse well pump as for the amount of power they will draw. The sump may only draw 15 amps at 120 volts and the well pump may draw 25/30 amps at 220 volts,just look at your breaker.
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As to the well pump:
It may take from double to quadruple the amps to start it.
Choosing a generator with too small an output was my mistake.
Those ratings are optimal max you can't squeeze a little more
out of it you just get this mmmm while the gasser is busting its
guts.
If you know the pump motor manufacturer you can call their
tech. They are usually helpful. I have a two wire not a three
wire. There are no points with the two wire for ants to foul.
The two wire also draws twice as many amps at start up.
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Hmmm, thanks for the pump info, I'll have to look into how much we are drawing on that.
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Thinking about converting it to tri fuel. Any comments?
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And no a 1/2 horse sump pump isn't the same as a 1/2 horse well pump as for the amount of power they will draw. The sump may only draw 15 amps at 120 volts and the well pump may draw 25/30 amps at 220 volts,just look at your breaker.
Normally, the higher the voltage, the lower the amperage. Watts / Volts = Amperage.
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And no a 1/2 horse sump pump isn't the same as a 1/2 horse well pump as for the amount of power they will draw. The sump may only draw 15 amps at 120 volts and the well pump may draw 25/30 amps at 220 volts,just look at your breaker.
Normally, the higher the voltage, the lower the amperage. Watts / Volts = Amperage.
Very true,those were examples I haven't looked at a well pump in years.
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While we are talking about Well Pumps.. don't forget this..
http://www.simplepump.com/OUR-PUMPS/Hand-Operated.html (http://www.simplepump.com/OUR-PUMPS/Hand-Operated.html)
If power is a concern for the well, consider replacing the pump with one designed for a solar app.. they basically just move water more slowly -- power = Work/time.
Often this also involves having a larger tank or cistern on the surface to make up for the pumps slower water moving capacity. This also means you have water stored above ground and ready for use if you do loose power.
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Freeze proof, that's important in my neck of the tundra. ::thumbsup::