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Topics => 2nd Amendment/Firearms => Topic started by: Glock32 on April 20, 2012, 12:00:59 AM
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I've seen lots of torture tests, but I do believe this one takes the cake. While it makes me wince to see any fine piece of machinery deliberately abused, it is nevertheless impressive.
http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90&Item (http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90&Item)
This pic pretty much summarizes everything; photo taken after pistol dragged behind a truck.
(http://theprepared.com/images/guns/glocks/g21test/sightover.jpg)
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Jeepers! What cruelty!
But tough little shooter. My question is, since it appears his 21 is 10 years old, can he replicate that test with the newest model? Or has manufacturing/materials not changed in 10 years? I'm always picky about such details!
If no change in manufacturing/materials, its toughness is a pretty strong selling point. I'd still have to test fire one to be sure I like it though. ;)
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That's pretty amazing. It hurts a little bit to see a perfectly good weapon ruined on purpose though.
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Jeepers! What cruelty!
But tough little shooter. My question is, since it appears his 21 is 10 years old, can he replicate that test with the newest model? Or has manufacturing/materials not changed in 10 years? I'm always picky about such details!
If no change in manufacturing/materials, its toughness is a pretty strong selling point. I'd still have to test fire one to be sure I like it though. ;)
My guess is yes, it could be replicated with one of any vintage. The tenifer steel mentioned on that page refers not to a coating, but a process in the steel making. It makes the steel virtually corrosion proof, and gives it a hardness close to industrial diamond. As an aside I read somewhere (and this could be apocryphal) that this also happens to be why they never entered the pistol trial for the US Army (which went to Beretta). Part of the bid process for DoD is an agreement to manufacture the product in the USA, and the tenifer steel process requires large amounts of cyanide as a catalyst. The EPA would not allow them to use that process here.
But yeah go test fire one! I am, obviously, a fan. I have two of them, a G17 9mm -- my first pistol ever and 21st birthday gift -- and my carry piece, a G32 .357SIG. There are prettier pistols, and pistols that subjectively feel better in the hand, but after a while I came to appreciate the Glock philosophy (i.e. no external levers, same trigger pull for every shot, etc). They are for sure TEOTWAWKI-compliant.
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Looks to be a tough SOB.
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Looks to be a tough SOB.
Hah? We're talking dogs here, too?
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I'll test me a G21 here sometime this summer. ::thumbsup::
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I took advantage of the Cabelas Club event last night and picked up a Gen4 G21, with the discount it came to a little under $600, pretty dang good deal I think! And the three 13 round mags that come with it are nice, I always hate hunting down more, so counting one in the chamber I can have 50 ready to go. Heh, that ought to be just fine. Gotta get me a holster or two now, definitely want a shoulder rig for winter carry.
Of course I don't know when I can get to the range, still trying to catch up on my BILs books and Thanksgiving is this week...I'll have to make some time, can't wait to pop some rounds off!
::whoohoo::
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I seem to remember a similar test done on the 1911 years ago before the US military adopted it. I'll have to do some research and see if I can find it.
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I took advantage of the Cabelas Club event last night and picked up a Gen4 G21, with the discount it came to a little under $600, pretty dang good deal I think! And the three 13 round mags that come with it are nice, I always hate hunting down more, so counting one in the chamber I can have 50 ready to go. Heh, that ought to be just fine. Gotta get me a holster or two now, definitely want a shoulder rig for winter carry.
Of course I don't know when I can get to the range, still trying to catch up on my BILs books and Thanksgiving is this week...I'll have to make some time, can't wait to pop some rounds off!
::whoohoo::
Great choice! The Glock is a proud exponent of the "function over form" school. I don't think it will be winning any beauty contests, but it is as close to mechanical perfection as anything yet put together by human beings.
I have never fired the G21. I think (need to confirm) you can buy a G20 barrel and do a direct drop-in. That would let you shoot the big dog, 10mm. I know at least with my G32 I can use a G23 barrel and convert it directly from .357 SIG to .40 S&W. Haven't yet come up with a good reason to do it, but it's a cool feature to have.
In spite of my fanboyism for the .357 SIG caliber, I still shoot 9mm and 45 more often. There's something very unpretentious about the 45, just a big ass hole and a big ass chunk of lead. Planting people who need a good killin' since 1905.
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I took advantage of the Cabelas Club event last night and picked up a Gen4 G21, with the discount it came to a little under $600, pretty dang good deal I think! And the three 13 round mags that come with it are nice, I always hate hunting down more, so counting one in the chamber I can have 50 ready to go. Heh, that ought to be just fine. Gotta get me a holster or two now, definitely want a shoulder rig for winter carry.
Of course I don't know when I can get to the range, still trying to catch up on my BILs books and Thanksgiving is this week...I'll have to make some time, can't wait to pop some rounds off!
::whoohoo::
Great choice! The Glock is a proud exponent of the "function over form" school. I don't think it will be winning any beauty contests, but it is as close to mechanical perfection as anything yet put together by human beings.
I have never fired the G21. I think (need to confirm) you can buy a G20 barrel and do a direct drop-in. That would let you shoot the big dog, 10mm. I know at least with my G32 I can use a G23 barrel and convert it directly from .357 SIG to .40 S&W. Haven't yet come up with a good reason to do it, but it's a cool feature to have.
In spite of my fanboyism for the .357 SIG caliber, I still shoot 9mm and 45 more often. There's something very unpretentious about the 45, just a big ass hole and a big ass chunk of lead. Planting people who need a good killin' since 1905.
Yeah, the 10mil can up the thump factor, but the .45 is quintessentially American and like you point out it has been putting people six feet under for quite a long time. And I look at the Glock and I look at the Springfield (the runner up) and it is clear the Glock is the bland utilitarian tool to the Springfield's functional prettiness, but there is no escaping the Glock track record of reliability and durability...and having one firearm surviving TEOTWAWKI was my decisive tiebreaker.
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Just cleaned this baby, went really lite on the oil, definitely less than what they said, it wasn't that dirty after only two test rounds through it, we'll see how dirty she gets after I put her through her paces. I gotta say though that is one of the dang nicest barrels I've ever seen and the spring assembly is defintiely robust.
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I expect a range report by Sunday.
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Aye. My 'Sis has been itching to go, I think I got at least one partner to tag along!
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I expect a range report by Sunday.
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Tried to go yesterday afternoon, it was a madhouse, close to a two hour wait so we bailed. Talked to one of the range guys, says it has been this way all holiday weekend long.
Went right away this morning and got in. I had about a box and a half of some Rem I had been loading into moonclips and pumping through my Governor, so I ran that through the G21.
She a dirty girl now! ;D
All I got a say is the plain Jane might not win a beauty contest but she found a warm spot in my heart! ::thumbsup::
Getting used to that trigger didn't take as much effort as I thought. I went into the session loose and focusing just on the basics of stance, grip, sight and pull. She makes a .45 sound, but I was surprised the kick and recoil was less than I would have thought. Definitely not 1911-like. I think that spring design helps on that score and the action seemed really smooth to me and not much muzzle rise so I was able to get back on target quickly. I've shot .40's that seem like they have more kick and muzzle rise, and some .380's are snappier in action than this, overall I am impressed and as far as the results go I drilled center-mass on target quite easily, and I was trying to put follow up shots as quickly down range as I could. Just a few rounds missed outside the 9 ring (those were mostly aiming issues-getting eager to put the next one down), the clear majority shredded the red center zone. I was shooting a vertical oval (silhouette style) impact target horizontally as there was no cardboard backing about, but it worked good enough. A lot of my shots were just center-low from 5 yards out and I was able to walk them onto to center. Pretty much a nice nail-driver pistol, I'll move the target out a bit further next time. For a first run through I have to say I am quite pleased. Any bad apple cross my path while packing this baby would be in a world of hurt.
Definitely a quality weapon! ::thumbsup:: ::cool::
I'll clean her later today, I got a lot of work for my BIL to get banging on, he already paid me and I spent my earnings already on all my new toys and ammo!
;D
PS-The UpLula definitely is a must, it loads much better and quicker than the little plastic doohicky Glock put in the case.
::thumbsup::
I am now a proud member of GlockNation. ::whoohoo::
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Good on you! I found out that no one will let me fire my Saiga at their club so my brothers and I are planning a trip to eastern Washington to find a primitive area to go shoot.
I'm anxious to try out my new drums.
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Sounds like a good plan, 'Soup! Happy shootin'!
The madhouse yesterday reminded me once again the need to open more ranges. Specifically, I have been urging my BIL that we should see if there is some open land close to the northern boundary of the cities and see if it can be zoned/approved for the establishment of an outdoor range. The coldest and snowiest of days may be a buzzkill for business, but I assert with range time being so hard to get a lot of days that a year-round outdoor range for short and long guns of all varieties could be successful and satisfy what appears to be mounting demand. I'll bug him some more on that.
ETA - Maybe even establish it as a private club? ::whatgives::
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30 years later and after 3 years (just three? I bet it was longer than that!) Brit's dump Browning and go Glock!
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htweap/articles/20130211.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htweap/articles/20130211.aspx)
Better late than never.
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The Browning Hi-Power is a great pistol in its own right, and was really the trailblazer of the high capacity double stack magazine that would become the norm years later. By most accounts it served the Brits well for a long time.
The Glock just has so many advantages going for it. The plastic frame is impervious to corrosion and the steel parts are extremely resistant to it. The design is modular and every single part can be replaced with a drop-in without any fitting or special tools required. I would say these traits are valuable in a combat handgun where conditions might be primitive at best.
The 45 aficionados are perplexed that they stayed with the 9mm. They seem aghast that commandos from the SAS apparently don't know that the 9mm is wimpy while the 45 is capable of launching small satellites into low earth orbit. They probably need to do better Internet research!
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They did good by going Glock, the caliber of choice can be the next battle. I'd take a .40 over a 9mm any day, but .45 or 10mm or even .357 would be better, and you can still rack 13 of those plump babies in there, if you can't deal with what you need to deal with that capaity each time you slap a mag in perhaps they need to reassses their shooting protocols!
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http://navyseals.com/weapons-demo/mk23/ (http://navyseals.com/weapons-demo/mk23/)
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That'll work too.
::thumbsup::