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Title: France's HARD left turn
Post by: BMG on April 22, 2012, 03:22:11 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9219770/Francois-Hollande-beats-Nicolas-Sarkozy-in-presidential-election-first-round.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9219770/Francois-Hollande-beats-Nicolas-Sarkozy-in-presidential-election-first-round.html)

So I have to wonder since Sarkozy is supposed to be the conservative in the race (of course we all know that is not at all true - the guy is a flaming socialist - just not as hard core as the other guy!), will the leftists here trot this out and scream about how this proves that Obama is going to win in November? You know, citing the hard left turn people are taking abroad as somehow being indicative of what's to come here?

I bet they do bring up.
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 22, 2012, 03:32:40 PM

Bet the "minority" turnout is extreme.
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: Glock32 on April 22, 2012, 03:34:18 PM
You know, in the Dark Ages they were convinced that the cure to various ailments was bloodletting. When this caused the patient to worsen due to the effects of anemia, they took it as proof that he needed yet more bloodletting.

The European social welfare state, with its promises of a Free Lunch, is going to die very hard. We're looking at the precursors for the next world war, probably.
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: BMG on April 22, 2012, 03:51:11 PM
We're looking at the precursors for the next world war, probably.

I believe you're probably right about that Glock. The trouble will be, will the US be part of the cure at that point, or part of the cancer? WWI and WWII we were part of the cure. That's not such a certainty now days. We'll find out in November I guess. Even still if Romney wins he's really not much better than Obama anyway. An establishment Republican is nothing more than a Progressive in Republican garb. He isn't as extreme as Obama...but the basic template is still under the empty suit. My only real hope is that enough other good Republicans are elected in the house, senate and on the local level around the nation to keep him on the proper course.

Bet the "minority" turnout is extreme.

I read a few days ago that the muslims in France were looking to spank Sarkozy hard for not coddling them enough. So I think the reality of your observation is quite correct CO.
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 22, 2012, 03:58:56 PM

Maybe a nice WWIII will allow Romney to find himself.
Let's hope he finds himself able.

Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: trapeze on April 22, 2012, 04:20:46 PM
Europe is going down. A further bend to the left will only hasten France's demise. And France will help push the rest of the Eurozone into the toilet.

They would still end up in the toilet but this will send them into it all that much quicker.

And with that, a global crisis...one that will affect, duh, the whole world. Yes, even China and India.

It remains to be seen which country will emerge from it first and strongest but I believe it will be the USA.

Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: BMG on April 22, 2012, 04:36:49 PM
I agree with ya Trap. I think this cements the death of the Eurozone. Instead of it being a few years from now and with only a 75% chance of failing, I think this makes it sometime in the next year or two with a 90% chance of failing.

I'm not quite as optimistic that the US will come out on top however. For that to happen we have to get rid of our socialist problem here first...and that is much larger than just Obama and a few senators. At this point I'd be betting that China would come out on top frankly.
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: trapeze on April 22, 2012, 04:44:28 PM
I agree with ya Trap. I think is cements the death of the Eurozone. Instead of it being a few years from now and with only a 75% chance of failing, I think this makes it sometime in the next year or two with a 90% chance of failing.

I'm not quite as optimistic that the US will come out on top however. For that to happen we have to get rid of our socialist problem here first...and that is much larger than just Obama and a few senators. At this point I'd be betting that China would come out on top frankly.

China is a fraud. Trust me on that. It will collapse harder and faster than you might expect. Despite the handicaps that the USA has imposed on itself we are still the strongest nation in the world.
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: AlanS on April 22, 2012, 07:10:25 PM
Despite the handicaps that the USA has imposed on itself we are still the strongest nation in the world.

Just think of what we could be without the leaches!!
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 22, 2012, 07:48:30 PM

They are also in dispute about OPEN BORDERS.  France and Germany want to
be able to close their border for special occasions, occasions such as the Libyan
fiasco.  During Obama's excursion Libyans were expatriating to the islands then
through Italy up into the rest of Europe and the Danes shut the door, sealed
their border and shut the door.  This is anti-Eurozone and Brussels doesn't like it.
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: BMG on April 22, 2012, 07:50:13 PM
China is a fraud. Trust me on that. It will collapse harder and faster than you might expect. Despite the handicaps that the USA has imposed on itself we are still the strongest nation in the world.

Well, here's to hoping that is the case Trap!  ::beertoast::
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: trapeze on April 23, 2012, 01:00:30 AM
China is a fraud. Trust me on that. It will collapse harder and faster than you might expect. Despite the handicaps that the USA has imposed on itself we are still the strongest nation in the world.

Well, here's to hoping that is the case Trap!  ::beertoast::

Here is an article (http://www.economist.com/node/21553056) that provides a perspective that I hadn't even considered about China's vulnerability:

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Over the past 30 years, China’s total fertility rate—the number of children a woman can expect to have during her lifetime—has fallen from 2.6, well above the rate needed to hold a population steady, to 1.56, well below that rate (see table). Because very low fertility can become self-reinforcing, with children of one-child families wanting only one child themselves, China now probably faces a long period of ultra-low fertility, regardless of what happens to its one-child policy.

The government has made small adjustments to the policy (notably by allowing an only child who is married to another only child to have more than one child) and may adapt it further. But for now it is firmly in place, and very low fertility rates still prevail, especially in the richest parts of the country. Shanghai reported fertility of just 0.6 in 2010—probably the lowest level anywhere in the world. According to the UN’s population division, the nationwide fertility rate will continue to decline, reaching 1.51 in 2015-20. In contrast, America’s fertility rate is 2.08 and rising.

The difference between 1.56 and 2.08 does not sound large. But over the long term it has a huge impact on society. Between now and 2050 China’s population will fall slightly, from 1.34 billion in 2010 to just under 1.3 billion in 2050. This assumes that fertility starts to recover. If it stays low, the population will dip below 1 billion by 2060. In contrast, America’s population is set to rise by 30% in the next 40 years. China will hit its peak population in 2026. No one knows when America will hit its population peak.

The differences between the two countries are even more striking if you look at their average ages. In 1980 China’s median (the age at which half the population is younger, half older) was 22. That is characteristic of a young developing country. It is now 34.5, more like a rich country and not very different from America’s, which is 37. But China is ageing at an unprecedented pace. Because fewer children are being born as larger generations of adults are getting older, its median age will rise to 49 by 2050, nearly nine years more than America at that point. Some cities will be older still. The Shanghai Population and Family Planning Committee says that more than a third of the city’s population will be over 60 by 2020.

This trend will have profound financial and social consequences. Most obviously, it means China will have a bulge of pensioners before it has developed the means of looking after them. Unlike the rest of the developed world, China will grow old before it gets rich. Currently, 8.2% of China’s total population is over 65. The equivalent figure in America is 13%. By 2050, China’s share will be 26%, higher than in America.


Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: Pandora on April 23, 2012, 01:07:19 AM
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China will have a bulge of pensioners before it has developed the means of looking after them. Unlike the rest of the developed world, China will grow old before it gets rich. Currently, 8.2% of China’s total population is over 65. The equivalent figure in America is 13%. By 2050, China’s share will be 26%, higher than in America.

Long before the 2050 time of pensioner-bulge,  China's majority male population will be restive and resentful of the lack of possible female mates.  These excess of truculet males are known as "cannon fodder".
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 23, 2012, 01:09:30 AM

I'll read it again but my first thought is
                                                            THEY HAVE NO WOMEN.

They manipulated nature to ensure a vigorous workforce but overlooked the unintended consequences.
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: trapeze on April 23, 2012, 01:11:25 AM
And then, if there wasn't enough to worry about, there is Spain... (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/04/23/the_pain_in_spain_113920.html)

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Spain's predicament is agonizing. To borrow at reasonable interest rates requires convincing financial markets that huge deficits are being reduced. But cutting spending and raising taxes risk deepening the slump, widening the deficit and fostering more street protests. The dilemma is plain: Austerity may produce more austerity, while the absence of austerity may produce a crisis of confidence. In addition, Spain's banks need more capital. Who will provide that?

Previously, Greece, Portugal and Ireland succumbed to similar predicaments. After interest rates soared on their bonds, they had to be rescued by loans from other European countries, the European Central Bank and the IMF. The trouble is that Spain's economy is twice as big as Greece's, Ireland's and Portugal's combined. And financially precarious Italy has an economy that's 50 percent larger than Spain's. Is there enough money to bail out these countries?

In truth, no one has a neat solution to end Europe's financial nightmare. Maybe Spain and Italy will escape calamity. Or perhaps more last-minute loans will buy time until the rest of the world economy revives and pulls Europe from the abyss.

Or perhaps not.

The weaker Europe becomes, the more it may drag down the rest of the world through three channels: damaged confidence and investment, fewer imports, and less credit to businesses and households. Remember: Europe is about one-fifth of the world economy, roughly equal with the United States. The 27 members of the European Union are the world's largest importer (excluding exports to each other), just ahead of the United States. And European banks operate globally.

The foreboding is undisguised. "For the last six months, the world economy has been on ... a roller coaster," Olivier Blanchard, the IMF's chief economist, said last week. "One has the feeling that, at any moment, things could well get very bad again."
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: Sectionhand on April 23, 2012, 04:13:58 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9219770/Francois-Hollande-beats-Nicolas-Sarkozy-in-presidential-election-first-round.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9219770/Francois-Hollande-beats-Nicolas-Sarkozy-in-presidential-election-first-round.html)

So I have to wonder since Sarkozy is supposed to be the conservative in the race ...  will the leftists here trot this out and scream about how this proves that Obama is going to win in November?

I bet they do bring up.

Doubtful that the screamimg will last long . A quick reversal back to the socialist bent will hasten a european economic disaster ... hopefully before November . World markets are already jittery about the prospect of a return to the same old sh*t .

( I've been saying "sh*t" a lot in my posts this morning ... Must reflect my world view ... )
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: Libertas on April 23, 2012, 07:39:28 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9219770/Francois-Hollande-beats-Nicolas-Sarkozy-in-presidential-election-first-round.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9219770/Francois-Hollande-beats-Nicolas-Sarkozy-in-presidential-election-first-round.html)

So I have to wonder since Sarkozy is supposed to be the conservative in the race ...  will the leftists here trot this out and scream about how this proves that Obama is going to win in November?

I bet they do bring up.

Doubtful that the screamimg will last long . A quick reversal back to the socialist bent will hasten a european economic disaster ... hopefully before November . World markets are already jittery about the prospect of a return to the same old sh*t .

( I've been saying "sh*t" a lot in my posts this morning ... Must reflect my world view ... )

Have Germany go more left as well and the chute to hell will really be well greased!
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: Libertas on April 23, 2012, 07:41:41 AM
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China will have a bulge of pensioners before it has developed the means of looking after them. Unlike the rest of the developed world, China will grow old before it gets rich. Currently, 8.2% of China’s total population is over 65. The equivalent figure in America is 13%. By 2050, China’s share will be 26%, higher than in America.

Long before the 2050 time of pensioner-bulge,  China's majority male population will be restive and resentful of the lack of possible female mates.  These excess of truculet males are known as "cannon fodder".

I would wager the ChiCom's will go to war before going under.  Plus, it seems to be in the Chinese DNA to go through epic upheavals and long slow recoveries.
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: BMG on April 23, 2012, 08:18:04 AM
Le Pen shocks France as far right hits historic heights (http://www.france24.com/en/20120423-france-marine-le-pen-national-front-nicolas-sarkozy-francois-hollande-election)

Woke up to an interesting twist over there in France this morning...

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Far-right National Front candidate Marine Le Pen obtained a surprising 18% of the vote in the first-round of France’s presidential election Sunday night. But who will those votes go to in the second round?

Looks like about 18% of the voters over there in France actually don't want to commit economic and cultural suicide.

Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: Libertas on April 23, 2012, 08:59:37 AM
Le Pen shocks France as far right hits historic heights (http://www.france24.com/en/20120423-france-marine-le-pen-national-front-nicolas-sarkozy-francois-hollande-election)

Woke up to an interesting twist over there in France this morning...

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Far-right National Front candidate Marine Le Pen obtained a surprising 18% of the vote in the first-round of France’s presidential election Sunday night. But who will those votes go to in the second round?

Looks like about 18% of the voters over there in France actually don't want to commit economic and cultural suicide.



Still, she has the Perot/Paul role, would enough on the center-right bail on Sarkozy to support her?  Will enough centrists wake the hell up and vote for her or break left for the socialist?  Tall order, but who knows?
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: Glock32 on April 23, 2012, 02:32:15 PM
The question is, what will Le Pen voters do in the next round?  They can't vote for Le Pen again because she's not in the next vote, so their choice is to either stay home or pick one of the remaining two. Neither one of them will address the issues that motivate people to support Le Pen, so it's pretty much a wash on that front.

It's really frustrating how unnecessary the West's decline is. There was absolutely never any need to deliberately import hostile foreigners who created nations-within-nations, and now threaten to replace the hosts.
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: BMG on April 23, 2012, 07:51:32 PM
LINK (http://pjmedia.com/blog/france%E2%80%99s-fate-socialist-francois-hollande-leads-presidential-election/?singlepage=true)

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Under a first-past-the-post system, socialist contender François Hollande would have won Sunday’s presidential election in France: he garnered 28.5% of the vote, while the incumbent Nicolas Sarkozy lagged a bit behind with 27.1%.

Right-wing populist Marine Le Pen received 18.2%. Neo-communist Jean-Luc Mélenchon received 11.1%, and centrist François Bayrou received 9.1%. Five other candidates — including the Green Party’s Eva Joly and local Lyndon Larouche activist Jacques Cheminade — received less than 7% combined.

However, France uses the two-round electoral system (along with beacons of democracy such as Afghanistan, Argentina, Ukraine, and Zimbabwe). Sunday’s ballot was thus no more than a preliminary test — the real election will take place on May 6, when French voters will decide between the two frontrunners only. And here is a splendid paradox: every poll points to a Hollande victory, yet statistics show there is a potential conservative majority and that Sarkozy may still win.
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: Weisshaupt on April 23, 2012, 07:58:15 PM
It's really frustrating how unnecessary the West's decline is. There was absolutely never any need to deliberately import hostile foreigners who created nations-within-nations, and now threaten to replace the hosts.

It was absolutely necessary to the left's plans.  This isn't something that happened by accident.  The left, so devoted  to Communism/Socialism/Marxism/Enslaving  the Producers, can't have the successful and prosperous Western culture around to demonstrate what an abject failure their policies are. They have to destroy the west and its culture, erase all memory of its track record and functioning, so that the impoverished people living under their control won't miss prosperity. Poverty spread equally will be all they have ever heard of or known.  Why else do you think Russia had the iron curtain?
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 23, 2012, 07:59:30 PM

If one did not vote in the first round is he permitted to vote in the second?
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: BMG on April 23, 2012, 08:33:59 PM

If one did not vote in the first round is he permitted to vote in the second?


No idea CO...
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: BMG on May 06, 2012, 02:48:25 PM
LINK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17975660)

Looks like the French voters have effectively torpedoed any hope of the EU recovering. I think this guarantees that the EU is doomed. A full-on socialist is going to completely destroy what good aspects of the french economy had remained. The EU is now going to have to try to bail out France and the world economy is in for one bumpy ride (not that it wasn't prior to this, but this just made it worse)...

...handbasket, meet hell.
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: LadyVirginia on May 06, 2012, 03:01:33 PM
This is not good.

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Mr Sarkozy, who has been in office since 2007, had promised to reduce France's large budget deficit through spending cuts.

The socialist candidate has promised to raise taxes on big corporations and people earning more than 1m euros a year.

He wants to raise the minimum wage, hire 60,000 more teachers and lower the retirement age from 62 to 60 for some workers.

and from this link (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/hollande-defeats-sarkozy-french-election-182314153.html)

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Hollande's victory could have far-reaching implications on Europe's debt woes. According to the Associated Press, Hollande has promised a 75-percent income tax on the rich and "wants to re-negotiate a European treaty on trimming budgets to avoid more debt crises of the kind facing Greece."
 
Indeed, Hollande's victory will be seen as a challenge to "German-dominated policy of economic austerity in the euro zone, which is suffering from recession and record unemployment," the New York Times said.
 
During their respective campaigns, both candidates had promised to balance France's budget within five years.
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 06, 2012, 03:49:27 PM

Me thinks Frau Merkel will not get along
quite as well with Mssr. Hollande as with
Mssr. Sarkozy.

Après Hollandele, le déluge ...
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: John Florida on May 06, 2012, 04:14:29 PM
  Say bye bye Eurozone!!
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: LadyVirginia on May 06, 2012, 04:15:26 PM
Well, if you're planning to go to France I'd do it this summer while all the french think they've hit the lottery.  Because in about a year there's going to be one  unhappy country and I'm guessing the Germans will get blamed and all hell will break loose.
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: BMG on May 06, 2012, 04:24:50 PM
My in-laws are going to France this summer. I wonder how fast this will destroy the country? You're probably right LV, about a year. It's tough to guess though because France is at the edge of the cliff right now. A small nudge and it's going over.

My in-laws may want to re-think this vacation I think...
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: John Florida on May 06, 2012, 04:48:28 PM
  Obam will be out extending his hand in support and frienship as soon as he can.
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: LadyVirginia on May 06, 2012, 05:07:44 PM
My in-laws are going to France this summer. I wonder how fast this will destroy the country? You're probably right LV, about a year. It's tough to guess though because France is at the edge of the cliff right now. A small nudge and it's going over.

My in-laws may want to re-think this vacation I think...


I would guess this summer will be ok because if they hire all those people for teaching positions and lower the retirement age it will take a few months for that to kick in and the full effects won't be felt until next year when they begin to see the money dry up.

and a side note:

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The euro fell to a three-week low as French Socialist Francois Hollande was elected President and Greek voters flocked to anti-bailout parties, stoking concern austerity efforts in Europe may be derailed.
   link (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-06/euro-falls-to-three-week-low-after-hollande-wins-french-election.html)

Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: BMG on May 06, 2012, 05:26:56 PM
My in-laws are going to France this summer. I wonder how fast this will destroy the country? You're probably right LV, about a year. It's tough to guess though because France is at the edge of the cliff right now. A small nudge and it's going over.

My in-laws may want to re-think this vacation I think...

I would guess this summer will be ok because if they hire all those people for teaching positions and lower the retirement age it will take a few months for that to kick in and the full effects won't be felt until next year when they begin to see the money dry up.

and a side note:

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The euro fell to a three-week low as French Socialist Francois Hollande was elected President and Greek voters flocked to anti-bailout parties, stoking concern austerity efforts in Europe may be derailed.
  link (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-06/euro-falls-to-three-week-low-after-hollande-wins-french-election.html)

If it was France alone I wouldn't be questioning it because I think you'd be right. Trouble is there is the Greek situation you've linked as well as the other countries all on the verge (Ireland, Italy, Portugal and Spain) and Merkel is losing some control in Germany as well. (http://www.thelocal.de/politics/20120506-42381.html) I'm just wondering how fast this will happen now. There's a lot of factors here if things start the downhill slide fast we could be looking at riots in Europe this summer or fall.  
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: Glock32 on May 06, 2012, 07:37:05 PM
A) Europeans clearly desire a strong, centralized government that manages their lives from cradle to grave.

B) The Germans are particularly adept at providing it, wanted or not.

I think this problem already has a built-in answer. Maybe we should have let them do their thing back when.

Who are we kidding anyway? Europeans love to kill each other every generation or so, they used to even have a darkly comic expression "Every generation gets a war!".  The post-WW2 decades have been an anomaly, largely imposed by the dichotomy of two more powerful entities on their respective peripheries. That dichotomy no longer exists. Economic woes are only going to get worse, and they're already pointing the fingers at each other. The only winners here will be the Muslim invaders these morons foolishly invited into their lands.
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: LadyVirginia on May 06, 2012, 11:21:41 PM
My in-laws are going to France this summer. I wonder how fast this will destroy the country? You're probably right LV, about a year. It's tough to guess though because France is at the edge of the cliff right now. A small nudge and it's going over.

My in-laws may want to re-think this vacation I think...

I would guess this summer will be ok because if they hire all those people for teaching positions and lower the retirement age it will take a few months for that to kick in and the full effects won't be felt until next year when they begin to see the money dry up.

and a side note:

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The euro fell to a three-week low as French Socialist Francois Hollande was elected President and Greek voters flocked to anti-bailout parties, stoking concern austerity efforts in Europe may be derailed.
  link (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-06/euro-falls-to-three-week-low-after-hollande-wins-french-election.html)

If it was France alone I wouldn't be questioning it because I think you'd be right. Trouble is there is the Greek situation you've linked as well as the other countries all on the verge (Ireland, Italy, Portugal and Spain) and Merkel is losing some control in Germany as well. (http://www.thelocal.de/politics/20120506-42381.html) I'm just wondering how fast this will happen now. There's a lot of factors here if things start the downhill slide fast we could be looking at riots in Europe this summer or fall.  

That is a good point--the cumulative effect--I had overlooked. 
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: BMG on May 06, 2012, 11:55:03 PM
Well, I hope you're right LV so that their trip isn't ruined by rioting idiots. Still, we went out to dinner with them this evening and I made sure to catch them up to speed on the possibility. Their contingency is to just visit the UK instead if France is all gummed up. They really enjoy touring the UK anyway and were only planing to visit France because they hadn't really done so yet.
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: Sectionhand on May 07, 2012, 05:18:52 AM
  Obam will be out extending his hand in support and frienship as soon as he can.

Are you kidding ? Stymie called him first thing and invited his Commie ass the White House . No sh*t !
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: Libertas on May 07, 2012, 07:27:02 AM
  Obam will be out extending his hand in support and frienship as soon as he can.

Are you kidding ? Stymie called him first thing and invited his Commie ass the White House . No sh*t !

Saw that on Drudge.

The end is near!

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Warnings/hole.gif)

We better discuss disbanding NATO in this Chicago meeting...we ought to get our "special weapons" out of Europe before she decends into hell anyway...that gives us a year or two at most to get the hell out of the way.

Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 07, 2012, 09:29:10 AM
Also on drudge-juxtaposition:


FRANCE TURNS LEFT...
Battle with Berlin...
EU DRAMA...
Sarkozy latest victim of anti-incumbent backlash...
Hollande: 'My real enemy is world of finance'...
Obama invites to White House...
New First Lady nicknamed 'Rottweiler'...
Wealthy eye move across Channel... (http://FRANCE TURNS LEFT...
Battle with Berlin...
EU DRAMA...
Sarkozy latest victim of anti-incumbent backlash...
Hollande: 'My real enemy is world of finance'...
Obama invites to White House...
New First Lady nicknamed 'Rottweiler'...
[url=http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/278412e6-9538-11e1-8faf-00144feab49a.html?ftcamp=published_links%2Frss%2Fworld_uk%2Ffeed%2F%2Fproduct#axzz1uC61M0Mq)
MARKETS PLUNGE AFTER POLL RESULTS... (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/318639/Markets-plunge-after-poll-results)
Euro Weakens... (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-06/euro-drops-equity-futures-fall-on-french-election-jobs.html)


All we need now is Hollande blaming Sarkozy for his poor economic results.  Liberals don't get that the grudgers will never play along. JWho is John Galt?

Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: ToddF on May 07, 2012, 09:36:03 AM
To put this piece of leftist trash in perspective, let's transfer his ideas to this country to see how they would fly.  He thinks he should be able to print as many Euros as he wants.  Just because.  How would that work here?  Pick a state where the residents are no longer capable of governing themselves.  Oh, let's just say California.  Now let's say Gov. Moonbeam has declared he should be able to print as much United States money he wants, in order to pay their bills.

How would that fly amongst the other 49 states?  Yup.  And it ain't gonna fly any better amongst the other Euro countries.  Germans can't be sugar daddies to everyone.
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: Glock32 on May 07, 2012, 09:49:06 AM
The streets of Paris are lined with trees for one reason: so that German soldiers can march in the shade.
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: Libertas on May 07, 2012, 11:43:34 AM
And they may be enjoying that shade again!
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: BMG on May 15, 2012, 01:50:31 PM
LINK (http://www.businessinsider.com/no-way-hollandes-plane-gets-hit-by-lightning-on-his-way-to-germany-forced-to-turn-back-2012-5)

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In what appears to be an ironic cosmic joke, Reuters is reporting that French President Francois Hollande's plane was struck by lightning on its way to Berlin.

According to that report, it was forced to turn back to Paris.

Hollande was on his first trip as the president to meet German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Hrm, I wonder if someone is trying to tell him something...

 ::thinking::
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 15, 2012, 02:26:05 PM

 ::angel::
                ::laughonfloor::

Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: Libertas on May 15, 2012, 02:42:16 PM
Don't taze me, God!

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: France's HARD left turn
Post by: BMG on May 15, 2012, 02:56:39 PM
Don't taze me, God!

 ::hysterical::

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