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Title: Politics above National Security
Post by: BMG on May 11, 2012, 01:55:44 PM
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He added: "Any information disclosed is too much information. This does seem to be a tawdry political thing."

He noted that the leak came on the heels of a series of disclosures over the last 10 days, beginning with a report that the CIA wanted to expand its drone attacks in Yemen, Barack Obama making a surprise trip to Afghanistan around the time of the Bin Laden anniversary and "then this inexplicable leak".

Robert Grenier, former head of the CIA counter-terrorism centre, in an article for al-Jazeera, said the spies of the US intelligence community "rather than quietly celebrating success are wistfully shaking their heads … As the director of national intelligence launches an investigation, he does so knowing that the real culprits – in the White House and on Capitol Hill – are beyond his reach."

Nice. So while on the one hand this administration is sending out it's 'stormtroopers' to all the major transportation hubs of America with the express order to cavity search children and senior citizens under the guise of 'national security' they are also, on the other hand, completely undermining that same national security.

Of course I don't need to say this again but I guess I will. All of us here already know this stuff don't we? How long till the sleepy voters of America prop open their lazy eyes long enough to see it?
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: Pandora on May 11, 2012, 02:17:10 PM
Personal bubbles need to be burst suddenly, deeply and sharply.  That usually happens one bubble at a time, so I don't hold out much hope right now.  People seem to avoid learning from the experiences of other people.  If it doesn't happen to them, it won't because it can't.
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 11, 2012, 02:42:22 PM
Personal bubbles need to be burst suddenly, deeply and sharply.  That usually happens one bubble at a time, so I don't hold out much hope right now.  People seem to avoid learning from the experiences of other people.  If it doesn't happen to them, it won't because it can't.

And when it does finally happen to them, assuming it isn't immediately fatal, they will blame every one who told them that this would happen - obviously, if they knew it was maliciously planned in advance. It will always be someone else's fault - and hence even when it does happen to them, the lesson will be ignored.
There is only one cure for this.   
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 11, 2012, 06:58:12 PM

It's all Kabuki now.

..."He does so [pursues the investigation] knowing that the real culprits – in the White House and on Capitol Hill – are beyond his reach."  

They're not beyond reach but they must be willing to go for it (the throat) and
they're all too comfortable to do that.  If they (including Issa) new that if they
failed in pursuit the masses would not be huddled but that they would land on
pitchforks they would achieve the stated goal.

But, it's all Kabuki now, this is the world we live in.

Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: AlanS on May 12, 2012, 09:32:25 AM
 If they (including Issa) new that if they
failed in pursuit ......

The GOP, party of no balls. Time to clean house. It doesn't matter if you can talk the talk. WALK THE FRIGGIN' WALK!!!
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: Libertas on May 13, 2012, 06:44:12 PM
Implement the cure.
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: BMG on May 15, 2012, 03:31:20 PM
LINK (http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/05/14/bombshell-al-qaeda-infiltrator-was-working-for-brits-not-cia-cover-blown-for-election-year-politics/)

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Just a week ago the establishment media was aflutter with news that a CIA double-agent had thwarted a new type of underwear bomb attack targeting U.S. flights in a plot devised by al-Qaeda of the Arabian Peninsula.

But as the week progressed, a developing bombshell story got buried under President Obama’s gay marriage announcement. Not only is the supposed CIA asset not a CIA asset at all, but the entire operation was exposed prematurely and the double-agent’s life was immediately threatened by an intelligence leak that very well may have come out of the White House for political gain.

As the story broke, the establishment media was more than happy to attribute the intelligence coup to the CIA and the Obama administration, describing the mole as a “CIA informant.”

It turns out that wasn’t true. The double-agent hadn’t been recruited and placed by the CIA, but by British intelligence, who also managed the operation. In fact, the Americans had only recently been made aware of the joint British-Saudi effort.

The leaks about the operation from the American side have infuriated British intelligence officials, who had hoped to continue the operation. The leaks not only scuttled the mission but put the life of the asset in jeopardy. Even CIA officials, joining their MI5 and MI6 counterparts, were describing the leaks as “despicable,” attributing them to the Obama administration.

Just updating the thread...
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 15, 2012, 04:39:33 PM

HopeyChangie transforming not only America but the world.
He's the jihadies cruse missile softening up the enemy.
It's on, I'm going to post that Sowell Race War article.
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: Pandora on May 16, 2012, 01:24:57 AM
LINK (http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/05/14/bombshell-al-qaeda-infiltrator-was-working-for-brits-not-cia-cover-blown-for-election-year-politics/)

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Just a week ago the establishment media was aflutter with news that a CIA double-agent had thwarted a new type of underwear bomb attack targeting U.S. flights in a plot devised by al-Qaeda of the Arabian Peninsula.

But as the week progressed, a developing bombshell story got buried under President Obama’s gay marriage announcement. Not only is the supposed CIA asset not a CIA asset at all, but the entire operation was exposed prematurely and the double-agent’s life was immediately threatened by an intelligence leak that very well may have come out of the White House for political gain.

As the story broke, the establishment media was more than happy to attribute the intelligence coup to the CIA and the Obama administration, describing the mole as a “CIA informant.”

It turns out that wasn’t true. The double-agent hadn’t been recruited and placed by the CIA, but by British intelligence, who also managed the operation. In fact, the Americans had only recently been made aware of the joint British-Saudi effort.

The leaks about the operation from the American side have infuriated British intelligence officials, who had hoped to continue the operation. The leaks not only scuttled the mission but put the life of the asset in jeopardy. Even CIA officials, joining their MI5 and MI6 counterparts, were describing the leaks as “despicable,” attributing them to the Obama administration.

Just updating the thread...

BMG, thank you, and I'm pretty sure most of us know by now an update when we see it, and welcome them, indeed.  You're doing a yeoman's job of it and it is greatly appreciated.  Now don't you take this wrong, y'hear?
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: Predator Don on May 16, 2012, 07:49:39 AM
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He added: "Any information disclosed is too much information. This does seem to be a tawdry political thing."

He noted that the leak came on the heels of a series of disclosures over the last 10 days, beginning with a report that the CIA wanted to expand its drone attacks in Yemen, Barack Obama making a surprise trip to Afghanistan around the time of the Bin Laden anniversary and "then this inexplicable leak".

Robert Grenier, former head of the CIA counter-terrorism centre, in an article for al-Jazeera, said the spies of the US intelligence community "rather than quietly celebrating success are wistfully shaking their heads … As the director of national intelligence launches an investigation, he does so knowing that the real culprits – in the White House and on Capitol Hill – are beyond his reach."

Nice. So while on the one hand this administration is sending out it's 'stormtroopers' to all the major transportation hubs of America with the express order to cavity search children and senior citizens under the guise of 'national security' they are also, on the other hand, completely undermining that same national security.

Of course I don't need to say this again but I guess I will. All of us here already know this stuff don't we? How long till the sleepy voters of America prop open their lazy eyes long enough to see it?


I watched those searches last week as I traveled by air, understanding it is nothing but a dog and pony show, with little to do with safety. I've stated before nothing surprises me with this administration, but this took me back. It underscores the overwhelming task ahead.

The task to take our country back is so daunting, merely winning a presidential election, I consider a precursor before we can design and/or begin a 10 step program.........this is when the real work needs to begin, but what I'm expecting, if romney is successful,is the proverbial, "whew, that was close" from the people because we've forgotten, or maybe de programmed, how this country became great.
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: BMG on May 16, 2012, 08:32:38 AM
"whew, that was close" from the people because we've forgotten, or maybe de programmed, how this country became great.

Trouble is, Romney (in my opinion anyway - hopefully I'm wrong) is not much better than Obumbles. Better, yes - but not by much. So anyone out there thinking we've dodged a bullet by electing Romney instead of Obama are completely wrong - all we've done is slowed down time a smidgeon...but the bullet's still heading our way. The best we can hope for is to replace as many members of congress as possible with actual conservatives so that congress can keep Romney in line and maybe then we can dodge the bullet - but even that's doubtful.

I know that you and everyone else here understands this to be sure. Trouble is most of the rest of the country doesn't.
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: BMG on May 17, 2012, 08:23:49 PM
LINK (http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/washington-secrets/2012/05/obamas-bin-laden-leaks-angered-military/622606)

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When they published their revealing book last August about the nation’s fight against terrorism, the authors, two New York Times national security reporters, immediately felt heat from the Pentagon for dishing too much operational info about the killing of Osama bin Laden.

Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: Libertas on May 18, 2012, 07:55:25 AM
LINK (http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/washington-secrets/2012/05/obamas-bin-laden-leaks-angered-military/622606)

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When they published their revealing book last August about the nation’s fight against terrorism, the authors, two New York Times national security reporters, immediately felt heat from the Pentagon for dishing too much operational info about the killing of Osama bin Laden.



“I was stopped by a very senior officer in the special operations community who basically wanted to rip my lungs out,” said Thom Shanker, who co-authored “Counterstrike: The Untold Story of America's Secret Campaign Against Al Qaeda,” with Eric Schmitt.

But, he revealed at a counter terrorism expo this week, the info came directly and officially from the White House, not some garbage can digging operation. “I said to him, ‘Sir, that information came officially to us from the podium at the White House,’” Shanker said.

 ::saywhat::   ::cussing::   ::angry::   ::gaah::
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: BMG on May 18, 2012, 10:46:33 AM
Infuriating isn't it Libertas?
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: Libertas on May 18, 2012, 11:43:08 AM
Beyond.

My tolerance for treason runneth over...and keeps running over...and over...and over...

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: BMG on May 18, 2012, 12:00:29 PM
AKA: The Terrorist Bill of Rights (http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2012/05/17/tea-party-should-oppose-latest-terrorist-bill-of-rights/?singlepage=true)

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Libertarian extremists, who purport to be the face of the tea party movement, and their pals on the Lawyer Left, whose obsession is more rights for mass-murderers, are again making common cause. Their target, once more, is the detention procedure codified in the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). This time the ringleaders are Representatives Justin Amash (R., MI) and Adam Smith (D., WA). With a new NDAA up for consideration, these congressmen are reprising the starring role played a few months back by Sen. Rand Paul (R., KY). I argued in opposition to Sen. Paul’s gambit here and here.

Under the Smith-Amash amendment, if al Qaeda were to dispatch the second coming of Mohamed Atta & Co. to execute another 9/11-style atrocity in the United States, but this time the FBI managed to apprehend them, they would be given the full rights of American civilian defendants. They could not be detained under the laws of war, they could not be held at Guantanamo Bay for trial by military commission. Instead, they would be treated like garden variety crooks: given Miranda warnings, quickly assigned counsel, held in a civilian prison, eligible for prompt bail hearings, entitled to the full breadth of discovery mandated by civilian due process, and given a full-blown, Grade-A civilian trial in a civilian federal court – just like the trial the Obama administration tried to give Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the other surviving 9/11 plotters until public outrage and congressional opposition induced the administration to back down.

If they aren't on your list yet Pan, time to update...
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: BMG on June 06, 2012, 01:50:19 PM
LINK (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/231149-mccain-security-leaks-coming-from-highest-levels-of-white-house)

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Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) on Wednesday blasted the Obama administration over the disclosure of classified intelligence operations, leaks he said came from the “highest levels” at the White House.

“This is the most highly classified information and it’s now been leaked by the administration at the highest levels at the White House and that’s not acceptable,” McCain said on CBS "This Morning."
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: Libertas on June 06, 2012, 05:35:16 PM
Going back to the initial post, nobody is "beyond reach"!  The Congress can investigate and use legislation and appropriations to force action, and the DNI or whoever can bring directly to the FBI any evidence of WH involvement, and let the constitutional crisis begin!

Figgin' pussies!   ::gaah::
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: Predator Don on June 07, 2012, 07:21:00 AM
There are things I don't appreciate about Romney. I can make a case to just sit this election out because we have another rhino in waiting......But it is actions like  this which will send me to the polls to vote Romney.

Not to make the economic demise of the USA sound trivial, but if it were only about an economic collapse and a re start, I'd stay at home......We can recover   economically, imo.

No, it's this type of crap happening to our nation, in our nation which will force me to the polls. Romney may capitulate regarding some policy, but I do not believe he or his administration will conduct the treasonable acts of a runaway obama. Future generations, my child and his future children will struggle to right an economically leaking ship, but it is up to this generation, my generation, to keep the destructive force known as obama at bay.
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: BMG on June 07, 2012, 09:54:20 AM
@PDon:

Bravo!  ::thumbsup::



 ::clapping::
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: BMG on June 08, 2012, 02:14:03 PM
LINK (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/06/obama-white-house-not-source-of-leaks/1#.T9JE1bjDVoZ)

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President Obama angrily denied today that his White House team is the source of national security leaks on alleged terrorist "kill lists" and cyber-attacks against Iran's nuclear program.

"The notion that my White House would purposely release classified national security information is offensive," Obama said at a brief White House news conference. "It's wrong."

First off, it isn't his White House. It's OURS.

Secondly...

LINK (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/republicans-leaks-either-president-or-times-wrong_646811.html)

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"If that statement were meant to serve as a denial that the Obama Administration leaked classified information, it would appear to stand in direct contrast to the New York Times article describing the President’s personal involvement in a process  'to designate terrorists for kill or capture,'" the memo states. "One of the opening paragraphs described the methodology for compiling the story, saying 'three dozen' of the President’s 'current and former advisers' were interview sources for the story."

...he seems to have been caught in a bald-faced lie.
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: Pandora on June 08, 2012, 03:45:23 PM
AGAIN!
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 08, 2012, 07:27:20 PM

It's all his.  It's his war. Every soldier that dies is his fault.
More soldiers have died from three years of Obama than eight years of Bush.
More soldiers have died in Afghanistan in Obama's three years than eight years of Bush.
More soldiers die this year from self-inflicted wounds than battle.(he drives them nuts)

Brian Terry's death is his fault.  He hired Holder.  He's the boss of the Border Patrol, the BATF, the FBI, ICE, all of the alphabets, it's all his.    IT IS ALL HIS.


The economy is his fault.  He hired Geithner, he kept Bernanke.  He persecuted and prosecuted small businessmen, guitar factories, the housing industry, the auto industry, the aircraft industry and all the thousands of workers who staff these businesses.

He shut the oil off, closed the rig, capped the wells, stopped the fracking.  Closed the coal, killed the engine.  He and his cronies killed the engine and left the common man swinging in the wind.  He's the leader, he's the boss, he appoints, hires, fires and directs his minions to act and not act upon.  It's all his.


He's the president, he owns it, he did it
HE DID IT.  IT IS ALL HIS FAULT.


Fanfare For The Common Man
Aaron Copland & ELP: Fanfare For The Common Man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVgs38tpMhs#ws)                                                                         


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Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: Libertas on June 11, 2012, 07:37:04 AM
I think we know exactly who the top leaker is.  Look for Holder's recent appointments to get nowhere fast, and one will be sure to resign in protest while the other gets lots of press getting some minor fop who gets to take one up the ass for Team Obama.
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: Predator Don on June 11, 2012, 01:08:48 PM
LINK (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/06/obama-white-house-not-source-of-leaks/1#.T9JE1bjDVoZ)

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President Obama angrily denied today that his White House team is the source of national security leaks on alleged terrorist "kill lists" and cyber-attacks against Iran's nuclear program.

"The notion that my White House would purposely release classified national security information is offensive," Obama said at a brief White House news conference. "It's wrong."

First off, it isn't his White House. It's OURS.

Secondly...

LINK (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/republicans-leaks-either-president-or-times-wrong_646811.html)

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"If that statement were meant to serve as a denial that the Obama Administration leaked classified information, it would appear to stand in direct contrast to the New York Times article describing the President’s personal involvement in a process  'to designate terrorists for kill or capture,'" the memo states. "One of the opening paragraphs described the methodology for compiling the story, saying 'three dozen' of the President’s 'current and former advisers' were interview sources for the story."

...he seems to have been caught in a bald-faced lie.

Yea,,,,, and clinton didn't have sex with that woman.
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: Libertas on June 12, 2012, 11:38:06 AM
Caddell throws Donilon under the Obama bus...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/06/pat-caddell-names-national-security-advisor-tom-donilon-as-source-for-top-security-leaks-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/06/pat-caddell-names-national-security-advisor-tom-donilon-as-source-for-top-security-leaks-video/)

IMO, not high ranking enough!
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: Pandora on June 12, 2012, 12:12:37 PM
Caddell throws Donilon under the Obama bus...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/06/pat-caddell-names-national-security-advisor-tom-donilon-as-source-for-top-security-leaks-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/06/pat-caddell-names-national-security-advisor-tom-donilon-as-source-for-top-security-leaks-video/)

IMO, not high ranking enough!

Aw fer .......

All Caddell had to do was read the NY Times article on this issue.  It named ALL THE NAMES, including Donilon's.  There's no need for an investigation to wring out who said what, it was right there in the paper!
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: Predator Don on June 12, 2012, 04:12:08 PM
Fall guy......
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 12, 2012, 05:03:41 PM

It's the Dauphin!
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: Libertas on June 13, 2012, 07:14:12 AM
More should be coming to Cornyn's conclusion and demand this asshat resign (if F&F & leaks are not bad enough with all the other BS coming out of this clowns office, then what is?), if he does not resign (and I expect he won't) then the heat must get turned up on Holder & Obama...maybe Obama will be forced to sack him or be faced with endless attacks thorugh election day.  Not that the next ObamaBot will be any better, but either way it is a win.  Time to step on their necks!

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/senator-tells-attorney-general-resign_647138.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/senator-tells-attorney-general-resign_647138.html)
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: Predator Don on June 13, 2012, 07:38:13 AM
More should be coming to Cornyn's conclusion and demand this asshat resign (if F&F & leaks are not bad enough with all the other BS coming out of this clowns office, then what is?), if he does not resign (and I expect he won't) then the heat must get turned up on Holder & Obama...maybe Obama will be forced to sack him or be faced with endless attacks thorugh election day.  Not that the next ObamaBot will be any better, but either way it is a win.  Time to step on their necks!

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/senator-tells-attorney-general-resign_647138.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/senator-tells-attorney-general-resign_647138.html)


If the rolls were reversed, dems would e shouting from the rooftops for a resignation. Appreciate his candor to holder, but too many pubbies are worried what it may do politically, to them, than do what is right.
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 13, 2012, 12:26:29 PM

Whoopsie!

                'Dead' al Qaeda Leader Appears in 'New' Video (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/abu-yahya-al-libi-dead-al-qaeda-terrorist/story?id=16552852#.T9jZB9X5DfE)

                A new video surfaced online Tuesday featuring al Qaeda commander Abu
                Yahya al-Libi -- the same terrorist that American officials declared dead last
                week -- but the video doesn't appear to reveal whether it was made after
                after his reported death.

Whether yes or no it's still one more little huckleberry for them to deal with.

Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: Libertas on June 13, 2012, 02:00:24 PM
More should be coming to Cornyn's conclusion and demand this asshat resign (if F&F & leaks are not bad enough with all the other BS coming out of this clowns office, then what is?), if he does not resign (and I expect he won't) then the heat must get turned up on Holder & Obama...maybe Obama will be forced to sack him or be faced with endless attacks thorugh election day.  Not that the next ObamaBot will be any better, but either way it is a win.  Time to step on their necks!

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/senator-tells-attorney-general-resign_647138.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/senator-tells-attorney-general-resign_647138.html)


If the rolls were reversed, dems would e shouting from the rooftops for a resignation. Appreciate his candor to holder, but too many pubbies are worried what it may do politically, to them, than do what is right.

There is never a good excuse for not doing right!   ::gaah::
Title: Re: Politics above National Security
Post by: Libertas on June 18, 2012, 11:35:43 AM
"Tell on me"

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/tell-on-me-israeli-music-video-satirizes-white-house-role-in-national-security-leaks-controversy/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/tell-on-me-israeli-music-video-satirizes-white-house-role-in-national-security-leaks-controversy/)

Obama, international butt of jokes.