It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => General Board => Topic started by: Pandora on July 30, 2012, 01:39:33 PM
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More government lawlessness breaking out .... (http://washingtonexaminer.com/examiner-local-editorial-fauquier-county-steps-over-the-line/article/2503450)
On April 30, Zoning Administrator Kimberley Johnson sent Martha Boneta an official cease-and-desist notice for selling farm products and hosting a birthday party for her best friend's 10-year-old daughter on her 70-acre Paris, Va., farm without a special administrative permit.
Johnson threatened to fine Boneta $5,000 per violation if she did not stop the alleged unlawful activities within 30 days. In doing so, Boneta's fellow farmers say, Johnson stepped far beyond her authority. They're supporting her appeal before the BZA because they rightly fear that left unchecked, this infringement on one farmer's freedom to make a living will spread to other agricultural enterprises like a dangerous pest.
The Virginia Right to Farm Act prohibits local authorities from treating agricultural activity as a "nuisance" -- which seems to be what's happening here, since Johnson was reportedly responding to complaints from nearby residents. Boneta already had a business license the county issued her in June 2011 that allowed her to operate a "retail farm shop" on her property. Her license application specifically noted her intention to sell handspun yarns, birdhouses, soaps and other handicrafts in addition to fresh vegetables, eggs, herbs and honey.
The following month, the Fauquier County Board of Supervisors changed the classification of "farm sales" to require a special administrative permit for activities that were in compliance with the ordinance just one month before. But documents received under the Freedom of Information Act showed that Boneta is the only farmer in Fauquier County who has ever been cited -- even though the county's own website lists dozens of farms that sell similar products to end-use customers.
On July 12, supervisors voted to limit the number of visitors allowed at food- and wine-tasting events to 25, and to limit such events to two per month, even though they were warned by the county attorney and Virginia Secretary of Agriculture and Forestry Todd Haymore that such restrictions are illegal. Virginia's growing wine industry and its small artisanal farmers contribute millions of dollars to the state economy while providing urban residents with a taste of country life. But even in picturesque Fauquier County, their future is clouded by the growing burden of capricious government regulation.
No good news today, folks, I'm sorry to say. I haven't sought out these events; the reporting of them is ubiquitous.
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Boneta already had a business license the county issued her in June 2011 that allowed her to operate a "retail farm shop" on her property.
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Yes. About which the authoritah in question cared nothing, citing a regulation that was already deemed illegal.
"Complaints were made" about what was going on at this 70 acre farm? Who complained and how could the activity cited negatively affect them in any manner?
None of this matters anymore. One does not need to be doing something that is actually wrong; one merely needs to be caught doing .... anything anyone doesn't want done.
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"If it's not mandatory, it's illegal."
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Yes. About which the authoritah in question cared nothing, citing a regulation that was already deemed illegal.
"Complaints were made" about what was going on at this 70 acre farm? Who complained and how could the activity cited negatively affect them in any manner?
None of this matters anymore. One does not need to be doing something that is actually wrong; one merely needs to be caught doing .... anything anyone doesn't want done.
This is the exact same nonsense that the Founding Fathers saw first hand and it led to a new nation forged in liberty but the current rent seekers have been pouring acid upon the metal to weaken it and we're left with somewhat of a mere shadow of what once was.
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The Virginia Right to Farm Act prohibits local authorities from treating agricultural activity as a "nuisance
I don't know...this struck me as odd...... I'm attempting to understand why such an act is needed in the first place. It seems all you need is one person getting thier panties in a wad and presto, we get another "act" to protect us.
Common sense has left the building.
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The Virginia Right to Farm Act prohibits local authorities from treating agricultural activity as a "nuisance
I don't know...this struck me as odd...... I'm attempting to understand why such an act is needed in the first place. It seems all you need is one person getting thier panties in a wad and presto, we get another "act" to protect us.
Common sense has left the building.
This sort of "nuisance" nonsense goes on everywhere rural. A hog-farm or chicken farm exists for generations, then some neighboring property is sold/bought/sub-divided and the new residents start complaining about the smell or the roosters crowing in the morning.
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None of this matters anymore. One does not need to be doing something that is actually wrong; one merely needs to be caught doing .... anything anyone doesn't want done.
For a book full of examples see Three Felonies a Day by Harvey Silverglate.
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The Virginia Right to Farm Act prohibits local authorities from treating agricultural activity as a "nuisance
I don't know...this struck me as odd...... I'm attempting to understand why such an act is needed in the first place. It seems all you need is one person getting thier panties in a wad and presto, we get another "act" to protect us.
Common sense has left the building.
This sort of "nuisance" nonsense goes on everywhere rural. A hog-farm or chicken farm exists for generations, then some neighboring property is sold/bought/sub-divided and the new residents start complaining about the smell or the roosters crowing in the morning.
Yea I understand...but the complaints should be given no value, no creedence. Hey, I have a suggestion to the new neighbor......Its a farm. There are animal smells. Roosters crow early, cows moo, and thier chit stinks. Maybe the new neighbors should have done a little research before buying....Like ask the real estate agent: hey, is that a farm? With chickens? Hogs and horses?
No, we need a new law.
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The Virginia Right to Farm Act prohibits local authorities from treating agricultural activity as a "nuisance
I don't know...this struck me as odd...... I'm attempting to understand why such an act is needed in the first place. It seems all you need is one person getting thier panties in a wad and presto, we get another "act" to protect us.
Common sense has left the building.
This sort of "nuisance" nonsense goes on everywhere rural. A hog-farm or chicken farm exists for generations, then some neighboring property is sold/bought/sub-divided and the new residents start complaining about the smell or the roosters crowing in the morning.
Yea I understand...but the complaints should be given no value, no creedence. Hey, I have a suggestion to the new neighbor......Its a farm. There are animal smells. Roosters crow early, cows moo, and thier chit stinks. Maybe the new neighbors should have done a little research before buying....Like ask the real estate agent: hey, is that a farm? With chickens? Hogs and horses?
No, we need a new law.
I understand what you are saying, but, yes, they needed a new law because, depending on whose ox is being gored, who has an axe to grind and who is in local office, too many times these complaints are given value and credence, so something concrete is necessary to wave at the complainers and their accommodators. Not that it always provides protection, as can be seen by the event right here.
Real estate laws were changed to ensure sellers and their agents disclose such conditions as noise/smell and whatever else might be considered a nuisance, so the buyer needn't use his own due diligence yet be informed, and still this crap continues.
"The road noise is too loud!" Wasn't the road there before you bought the house? "Yes, but ....", so now "sound walls" are built along highways -- and not always in good neighborhoods -- effectively trapping motorists on the highway.
The group that kills me are the ones who buy near an airport and then btch about the noise.
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Libiots get my panties in a wad by just breathing, thus, a law is needed preventing libiots from breathing, no matter its constitutionality or the fact that breathing is a normal human function, I deem it to be therefor it is.
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I remember years ago reading about a pig farmer put out of business in Iowa because the town grew out to him. The reasoning given--all grounded in prior case law -- didn't do it for me. Basically, it was decided that times change and for the good of society he had to go.
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Two decades ago a drag track called 75-80(MD roads) was by itself amongst acres of farm land as far as the eye could see. The farms were sold in the coming years to developers a.k.a. subdivisions were built close by. Then the complaints started piling in about the noise factor. I'm certain that they all knew including the developer that drag racing type motorsports meant open headers but they all figured once they moved in, the country would give more weight to taxes from single family houses than from farm country. The county wanted them to impose restrictions on the noise pollution by using mufflers but the racers didn't want to spend more money modifying the cars for this on track so the racers lost interest and the property was sold.
Nobody ever weighs the consequences of existing businesses when they move next door. The developers never give a sh*t about anything other than their bottom line and government will never turn down an opportunity to grab more money. ::laserkill::
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The way I see it, it isn't up to the developers to make sure the incoming locusts don't get their will enforced on existing residents and their structures, institutions and businesses. It IS up to the local and state governments to make it plain that just because "you" are bothered is no reason to put the kabosh on anybody else.
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It especially chaps my ass when the yuppie locusts militate against a shooting range that has existed for 75 years. It's worse than ordinary NIMBYism, because these people moved in on something that was already there and then have the gall to complain as if that thing is the obnoxious intruder rather than them.
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It especially chaps my ass when the yuppie locusts militate against a shooting range that has existed for 75 years. It's worse than ordinary NIMBYism, because these people moved in on something that was already there and then have the gall to complain as if that thing is the obnoxious intruder rather than them.
Yup.
And then the yuppie locusts plug into the local political machine and the new aristocracy runs roughshod all over the indigenous population, but it only succeeds if the locals let it, so there is support for the carpetbaggers in the local gentry on election days, otherwise the minority would be crushed. But then the locusts cover their bets and find allies in the opposition too, so, in the end the corrupt officials let the locusts win.
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I never trust anyone to do my due diligence, in regards to my business or my personal life, because the asshat real estate agent, govt official or other "expert" normally allow thier own biases to cloud any information. Thus, more idiotic laws.
If you want to understand the "expert", before you enter into a contract with them,along with gathering info such as schools, stores, etc, ask if there are any gun clubs, ranges, how the county votes, the political party of the town mayor, average income, etc, and see what type of answer you get.
Treat it as " intelligence intel". Gotta understand the intelligence quotient of the area.
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because the asshat real estate agent, govt official or other "expert" normally allow thier own biases to cloud
Years ago when we were looking for a house the agent took us to a house that was next door to a 5-story office building. Anyone in their office could look into the backyard and family room. Of course, she didn't actually take us into the backyard but pointed at it through the sliding door. We told her it wasn't the house for us at which point she preceeded to chat with the owners for 30 minutes because they were "friends". She told us to wonder through just "to make sure". Later she took us to another unsuitable neighborhood and said it was perfect for us as a young couple because it was next to an "affluent" neighborhood. The next week she took us back to the house with the office building and announced that she knew we liked it so she thought we'd like to see it again. My husband and I didn't even get out of the car. After that we found another agent (who thankfully understood our requirements despite our "youngness").
All of which is to say it was a good lesson in how others don't give a crap about what you want and you have to look out for yourself. Unfortunately, I know too many people who time after time still rely on others and then end up disappointed and mad.
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Bingo-Bango Money Quote, Warp:
once they moved in, the country would give more weight to taxes from single family houses than from farm country.
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And now this Johnson bitch has moved on to wineries: (http://washingtonexaminer.com/virginia-vintners-taste-the-police-state/article/2504381#.UC3H9KBWySp)
While the Obama administration is busy eviscerating private property rights at the federal level, Republican-controlled Fauquier County, Va., has decided to follow suit in its own way. Fauquier's Board of Supervisors recently passed a winery ordinance that tramples private property rights and some fundamental civil liberties.
The county, which is located about an hour west of Washington, calls itself an agricultural community. Its scenic, sprawling farmlands have become home to a growing number of wineries. Vintners have discovered that Fauquier's climate and rich soil are ideal for growing grapes.
Most of the wineries are mom and pop operations. Some, though, have been more creative in marketing, employing more people, and generating revenue. The county thinks such success must be punished.
At the center of all this is the county zoning administrator, a bureaucratic czar named Kimberley Johnson, whose bullying and heavy-handed enforcement tactics have resulted in calls for her dismissal by county farmers and residents. Johnson was recently the subject of a citizen-farmer "pitchfork protest" in a matter in which she fined one farmer for conducting a pumpkin carving and a birthday party for eight little girls without the proper permit.
The winery ordinance is Obama-esque, passed under the pretext that it protects the health, safety and welfare of the public. It forces wineries to close at 6 p.m. and prohibits sale of food -- something that goes quite safely with a taste of wine -- unless the wineries obtain special permits from the zoning administrator.
The ordinance lists prohibited winery activities such as hot air balloon rides, farmers' markets, and mini-golf, which assuredly threaten the health, safety and welfare of the public, right?
Among the prohibited activities, the ordinance includes anything else determined by the zoning administrator "to be similar in nature or in impact to" the listed activities. That's the equivalent allowing police officers to ticket drivers for nearly anything they wish.
The winery ordinance comes with potential criminal penalties, yet it has weak standards of evidence and due process to protect the innocent. It's a civil liberties and property rights nightmare on its face. Chicago politics and even dictatorships mask their tyrannical abuses of law better than this.
Fauquier gave its zoning czar the same type of unlimited discretion to decide whether to issue special permits to stay open past 6 p.m., to host events, and to determine entry road surface conditions. This gives the zoning administrator unfettered control over the very existence of wineries, and creates conditions under which vintners must fear her every next move.
Perhaps the most offensive provision of the ordinance authorizes "private personal gatherings" at wineries. Someone obviously forgot to tell Fauquier officials that in America, we don't need government permission for private personal gatherings on our own property.
Yet even in their contempt for the freedom of assembly and private property rights, Fauquier officials limited the definition of "private personal gathering" to owners who reside at or adjacent to their wineries, and who do not market their wine at such gatherings. This means no winery signs -- no bottle labels, even, when owners hold private personal gatherings on their property, because that's marketing.
The Fauquier ordinance clearly violates Virginia's Right to Farm Act, which guarantees agriculture activities of growing and selling. No county may use ordinances to inhibit these rights.
Vintners are challenging the Fauquier ordinance in courts and are seeking legislative relief in Richmond. Perhaps, though, they and their patrons should form a Wine Party, and dispel the Fauquier government officials responsible for this lawbreaking and these trespasses on private rights.
People like Johnson, and the Fauquier "officials" who allow her to ride roughshod over the county, are going to find themselves disappearing as a result of a "Wine Party". I'm assuming they have pig-raising operations somewhere in the county.
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They seriously just do not realize the hornet's nest they keep kicking. Utterly shameless. These people should be shunned and ridiculed everywhere they go in their daily lives. I don't even want to hear any of this "just doing my job" bullsh*t. If your "job" is to harass people for carving pumpkins at a little girl's birthday party then nothing about you is deserving of one iota of respect from real citizens.
Not showing up as a torch-wielding mob in response to this sort of crap is exactly what has emboldened these petty fascists to go as far as they have.
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Yet they go farther. How is serving food during a wine tasting a health and safety issue? Or insisting on limiting the number of events? Or demanding the wineries cease business at 6PM?
Look at the crap they're imposing!
"3) the cumulative number of Special Events allowed by Administrative and Special Exception Permits was excessive."
The "number of .... events allowed .... was excessive"?! Allowed??!
And they're Republicans!
http://www.citizensforfauquier.org/fiscalmatters/fauquierwineries.html (http://www.citizensforfauquier.org/fiscalmatters/fauquierwineries.html)
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It's time for people like this woman to disappear without a trace. Kicking and screaming, and then gone. f**king Nazi.
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these types of people need to be reminded they serve at the pleasure of the citizens who employ them....
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Reminding them is useless Lady V. Examples need to be made. My prior statement is hyperbolic, spoken in anger. But with a grain of truth as I see it, I don't think there is much point to further conversation with these people.
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I don't see how in the hell they can give a permit and then change the conditions of that same permit.This would be to easy to blow out of the water in court and hit the town with a suit.
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Reminding them is useless Lady V. Examples need to be made. My prior statement is hyperbolic, spoken in anger. But with a grain of truth as I see it, I don't think there is much point to further conversation with these people.
I'd settle for them to be TOTALLY irrelevant.
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They seriously just do not realize the hornet's nest they keep kicking. Utterly shameless. These people should be shunned and ridiculed everywhere they go in their daily lives. I don't even want to hear any of this "just doing my job" bullsh*t. If your "job" is to harass people for carving pumpkins at a little girl's birthday party then nothing about you is deserving of one iota of respect from real citizens.
Not showing up as a torch-wielding mob in response to this sort of crap is exactly what has emboldened these petty fascists to go as far as they have.
Got that right! ::thumbsup::
This Johnson bitch must be one of those Franco "republicans", fricken Nazi bitch!
Who is the Governor? Who's running the legislature? They are all pubbies too, right? All Franco types too?! If this thug is violating state law the citizens are right to demand immediate state intervention. If not, the torch-weilding mob should next descend upon richmond!
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I don't see how in the hell they can give a permit and then change the conditions of that same permit.This would be to easy to blow out of the water in court and hit the town with a suit.
It would have been, back when we had a judicial system that operated according to the Rule of Law.
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I don't see how in the hell they can give a permit and then change the conditions of that same permit.This would be to easy to blow out of the water in court and hit the town with a suit.
John, it happens everyday....It's happened to me. Plus, I don't have the time to file suit and invest time and money it would require and the cities know it. I'm hounding the new mayor of our little town to change the culture of our small town czars, who believe thier building codes job is equal to Gods. And i'm in small town USA....I can't imagine the layers upon layers of gov't chit small business must endure in large cities.
barack obama has emboldened every two bit gov't employee in America. Remember the thread about the ADA changes? Yep, I've had the codes czar, the fire czar, the sewer czar, people who have no business inspecting my establishment in regards if there is enough room around a treadmill for a friggin wheelchair.
It is a round the clock battle......Then the little asses want a "deal" because they are a gov't employee.
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barack obama has emboldened every two bit gov't employee in America.
you have that right!
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I don't see how in the hell they can give a permit and then change the conditions of that same permit.This would be to easy to blow out of the water in court and hit the town with a suit.
John, it happens everyday....It's happened to me. Plus, I don't have the time to file suit and invest time and money it would require and the cities know it. I'm hounding the new mayor of our little town to change the culture of our small town czars, who believe thier building codes job is equal to Gods. And i'm in small town USA....I can't imagine the layers upon layers of gov't chit small business must endure in large cities.
barack obama has emboldened every two bit gov't employee in America. Remember the thread about the ADA changes? Yep, I've had the codes czar, the fire czar, the sewer czar, people who have no business inspecting my establishment in regards if there is enough room around a treadmill for a friggin wheelchair.
It is a round the clock battle......Then the little asses want a "deal" because they are a gov't employee.
Sorry to hear that.
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I don't see how in the hell they can give a permit and then change the conditions of that same permit.This would be to easy to blow out of the water in court and hit the town with a suit.
John, it happens everyday....It's happened to me. Plus, I don't have the time to file suit and invest time and money it would require and the cities know it. I'm hounding the new mayor of our little town to change the culture of our small town czars, who believe thier building codes job is equal to Gods. And i'm in small town USA....I can't imagine the layers upon layers of gov't chit small business must endure in large cities.
barack obama has emboldened every two bit gov't employee in America. Remember the thread about the ADA changes? Yep, I've had the codes czar, the fire czar, the sewer czar, people who have no business inspecting my establishment in regards if there is enough room around a treadmill for a friggin wheelchair.
It is a round the clock battle......Then the little asses want a "deal" because they are a gov't employee.
Sorry to hear that.
As long as obummer is prez, it will be impossible to make meaningful change.
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I don't see how in the hell they can give a permit and then change the conditions of that same permit.This would be to easy to blow out of the water in court and hit the town with a suit.
John, it happens everyday....It's happened to me. Plus, I don't have the time to file suit and invest time and money it would require and the cities know it. I'm hounding the new mayor of our little town to change the culture of our small town czars, who believe thier building codes job is equal to Gods. And i'm in small town USA....I can't imagine the layers upon layers of gov't chit small business must endure in large cities.
barack obama has emboldened every two bit gov't employee in America. Remember the thread about the ADA changes? Yep, I've had the codes czar, the fire czar, the sewer czar, people who have no business inspecting my establishment in regards if there is enough room around a treadmill for a friggin wheelchair.
It is a round the clock battle......Then the little asses want a "deal" because they are a gov't employee.
Sorry to hear that.
As long as obummer is prez, it will be impossible to make meaningful change.
Conting down and with each day I'm feeling better and better about the outcome in Nov.
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Then the little asses want a "deal" because they are a gov't employee.
Deal? What kind of deal? That sounds like extortion.
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Then the little asses want a "deal" because they are a gov't employee.
Deal? What kind of deal? That sounds like extortion.
I agree, get a camera (for security purposes of course) and a microphone. Post outside the business that the business is videotaped and recorded (in a not too obvious place), and invite the crooks in. This will either make your ADA compliance issues disappear or get the offenders on unemployment.