It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: Pandora on August 20, 2012, 06:00:06 PM
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Akin, the Republican Party's Senate candidate in the key swing state of Missouri, said that "legitimate rape" rarely resulted in pregnancy during an interview with a St. Louis television station. (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/244309-romney-camp-criticizes-akin-rape-comment)
Akin, in the interview, was asked to explain his opposition to abortion for pregnancies caused by rape.
"It seems to me, first of all, from what I understand from doctors, that's really rare. If it's a legitimate rape the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," he said.
Akin said later, in a statement, that he “misspoke,” claiming that his comments did not “reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year.”
He stood by his opposition to abortion, saying, “I believe deeply in the protection of all life and I do not believe that harming another innocent victim is the right course of action.”
Akin's comments sparked a firestorm and the Obama campaign used the opportunity to hammer Romney and Ryan's own positions on abortion, accusing them of contradicting themselves in their statement.
“While Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are working overtime to distance themselves from Rep. Todd Akin’s comments on rape, they are contradicting their own records,” said Obama campaign spokesperson Lis Smith, in a statement.
... Mitt Romney's campaign on Sunday quickly condemned a comment from Republican Rep. Todd Akin (Mo.) claiming that pregnancy from rape was rare and said the presumptive GOP nominee and his running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), would not take steps to block abortions in cases of rape.
"Gov. Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin's statement, and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape," said Romney campaign spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg in a statement.
The Romney camp stopped short, however, of echoing calls from some Republican senators — including Massachusetts's Scott Brown and Wisconsin's Ron Johnson — for Akin to drop out of the race.
"No, we'll leave that to them to sort out," Romney adviser Stuart Stevens said, according to the Washington Post.
Hannity interviewed Akin today and urged him to drop out by 5pm tomorrow; after that, the court's approval will be needed to replace him with another candidate.
Akin told Hannity that he intends to stay in, especially considering his opponent McCaskill's pro-abortion record.
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Sheesh.
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The guy is receiving intense pressure to bow out now. He's been abandoned by everyone in an instant.
It's too bad we live in a time when a single comment can derail and disqualify. But this is a race that the republic cannot afford to lose. He needs to go.
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What an idiot. He has single handedly made a vulnerable Dem seat a less likely pickup. And he's also giving fuel to the "war on women" nonsense, which they will certainly capitalize on. Not dropping out means he is more interested in his own personal ambitions than the greater political fight for this country. If he refuses to drop out he should be Murkowski'd.
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Too bad he used a poor choice of words.....I knew exactly his sentiment.
I tired of libs spouting any ill conceived comment and getting a pass while one guy misspeaks and is immediately hung out to dry.... By everyone. Screw them. I knew what he meant.
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Too bad he used a poor choice of words.....I knew exactly his sentiment.
I tired of libs spouting any ill conceived comment and getting a pass while one guy misspeaks and is immediately hung out to dry.... By everyone. Screw them. I knew what he meant.
Sorry, Don but this is a professional. He is supposed to know better than to commit obvious unforced errors. This was a big one. I understand his sentiment, too but it does not matter...he screwed up and it's ball game.
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Just when the lie of the "War on Wimmins" is being understood by more people as the lie that it is, this clown comes along and reinforces the stereotype that the Leftists lied to create.
The reasons lies like these are successfully portrayed as truth to one degree or another is because there is a grain of truth existing somewhere. There is no war on women, and the examples given by the Leftists throughout the whole Sandra Fluke/birth-control mandate argument were false. But there ARE people within the GOP who call themselves conservatives who fit the stereotype. They need to NOT be in politics.
And to bolster the stereotype, this assclown is now saying (according to ACE) that he will not drop out because the race is "providential".
He is willing to place the future of the United States of America at risk by failing to unseat Claire McCaskill, because er, God says or something.
f**k him. He needs to go before 5PM tomorrow.
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He also reinforces the idea that conservatives are all a bunch of anti-intellectual scientific illiterates. A rape can't result in pregnancy? The female body has "ways" to shut that down?
::facepalm::
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I just caught him on Hannity's radio show. He's not backing down.
::rockets::
(Because we don't have an emoticon of him shooting himself in the foot)
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Looks like he is staying in the race. The media are obediently referring to him as a "Tea Party rogue (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-tea-party-rogue-todd-akin-defies-gop-bosses-by-staying-in-race-20120820,0,2576285.story)", even though the Tea Party favorite endorsed by Palin was Steelman. These pricks are so reflexive in hanging everything on the Tea Party.
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We need an emoticon of stepping on one's dick. That would be more appropriate given the subject matter.
Again, on the whole professionalism thing...
If I were a doctor, specifically a surgeon...let's say a brain surgeon...I would probably be pretty keen on knowing how to, oh, I don't know...maybe operate on a brain. I think that I would have studied this in school. I think that I might have maybe practiced it a time or two with a mentor. Perhaps I would even keep up with "what's new" in brain surgery by reading pertinent trade periodicals or going to conferences and seminars just on the off chance that there might be something I needed to know...sort of keeping abreast of brain stuff. And I would do these things so that when faced with an actual surgery I didn't do something unforgivably boneheaded like accidentally cutting into the wrong part of the brain or sneezing into an open skull...you know, stupid stuff.
Politicians aren't all that different when it comes to "trade craft." No, they aren't brain surgeons but then again, brain surgeons probably couldn't do the political stuff either. There are a great many things that a successful politician should be able to do properly. Think of it as a big huge "do's and don'ts" list. There are some things you always do like smile and make eye contact when you meet someone and shake their hand. It helps if you have a really good memory, too, so that you can remember the names of those people you have met. Then there are the things that you don't do or, more importantly, never do. This would include things like kicking puppies and violently shaking babies. I assume that Mr. Akin has some of these points down but is maybe a little shaky on some others...like, say, having a marginally well thought out set of talking points about the most controversial social issue of the last four decades.
The con-summate politician doesn't even betray an actual position on a controversial topic. They are able to blather on for many minutes saying lofty things that, upon closer examination, end up conveying absolutely nothing. Controversial topics are minefields that an expert can pick his way through without coming anywhere near obliteration. Amateurs screw this sort of stuff up all the time...that's why they are amateurs and why they shouldn't venture into areas best left to professionals.
And of course there are many levels of professional expertise. Baseball has the farm leagues. Politics has local and state government. Yes, I know, this does not explain the occasional idiot who inexplicably is promoted far, far above their skill level (Biden comes immediately to mind) but that is the anomaly, something that just defies logical and reasonable explanation. Mr. Akin is applying for a job that is by all outward appearances, beyond his skill level. He has been put on the pitcher's mound in the major leagues and he has perhaps one pitch partly mastered and is beginning to learn others. This will not do. He needs to be sent back down to the single A minor leagues to work on his game.
Unfortunately, though, unlike professional baseball, Mr. Akin is not under the control of management. He is a free agent at this point. Unless he takes himself out of the game, unless he puts down the scalpel we are going to have a real mess on our hands come November.
EDIT: Please note that I do not disagree with Mr. Akin's basic point that abortion is not a good idea. I personally think it's cruel to execute an unborn child for the accident of being conceived during a rape...that it compounds one act of violence with another. But you can't, as a politician, speak bluntly about abortion in this particular instance and not pay a price for it. Mr. Akin spoke very, very thoughtlessly in a very unskilled way about this issue. It was pure amateurism on display. There are other politicians who believe the same things and are able to avoid the trap that Mr. Akin, of his on volition, ran into. Again, an unforced error.
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Well he's putting his ego ahead of our last real political chance to put the brakes on "fundamental transformation", and it will do damage to the Republican party as a whole this November. Explaining his refusal to step aside as, essentially, because he is on a mission from God doesn't exactly help ameliorate the whole, you know, bat sh*t lunatic image.
Every time I start feeling a flicker of optimism, the Stupid Party goes and outdoes its former Worst Effort. This asshole needs to give it up and never be seen or heard from again. We're going to end up losing our chance at repealing Obamacare and putting more constitutionalists on the Court, all because some quack in Missouri thinks involuntary intercourse is like kryptonite to sperm.
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"Tea Party Rogue"? I just read that Sarah Palin and the Tea Party
had endorsed someone else and the GOP and TPOS pushed this
"safe" candidate. Where are the lampposts when you need them?
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Hopefully, after he's had an opportunity to sleep on it he will change his mind. A lot of pressure can be brought to bear on him. And it should. Sh*t is real.
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And yet, after all that, the voters of Missouri just can't wait to be shed of McCaskill. They really, really don't like her.
...the overall numbers in the race have moved very little. When we polled in May McCaskill was getting only 8% of the Republican vote, and even with the controversy around Akin she's only pushed up to 10% of it. GOP voters dislike McCaskill so much they're not going to vote for her no matter what their nominee does. Independent voters haven't moved at all either. In May they supported Akin 45-41, and even though they don't like him on tonight's poll we still found him leading 45-41 with them.
The lack of movement speaks to a couple of things. One is the hyper polarization these days in American politics. Voters just aren't inclined to vote cross party lines with their voters regardless of the circumstances. And the other thing it speaks to is McCaskill's continued unpopularity. Only 41% of voters approve of the job she's doing to 53% who disapprove and for many voters their dislike of McCaskill trumps their concerns about Akin.
LINK (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/08/akin-44-mccaskill-43.html)
This coincidentally is the same phenomenon that will sink O'Bongo.
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And from Brietbart: (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/20/akin-will-withdraw-what-happens-now)
At some point before 5pm CDT tomorrow, Akin will file papers to formally withdraw his name from the ballot. I realize today Akin was defiant and said he wasn't a "quitter." His supporters claim he will stay in the race because he views his candidacy as "providential", but this is just the bluster before the end. Everyone is entitled to 24 hours to try to right their ship, but Akin did nothing today to cauterize the wound. When Reince Priebus, Ann Coulter, NRSC and Tea Party Express are all united in saying you should quit, you've pretty much run out of options.
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"Tea Party Rogue"? I just read that Sarah Palin and the Tea Party
had endorsed someone else and the GOP and TPOS pushed this
"safe" candidate. Where are the lampposts when you need them?
Why all the animosity? You know damn well the GOP establishment knows better than that iif the TEA party. The TEA party is a collection of cave dwelling numbskulls. I once thought that people could make decisions themselves regarding candidates but I can plainly see, I was wrong as they still have their heads buried deep in their butt. ::rockethrow::
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On the other hand , the only way McCaskill would ever be raped is at gun-point ... and she'd have to be holding the gun .
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::rimshot::
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"Tea Party Rogue"? I just read that Sarah Palin and the Tea Party
had endorsed someone else and the GOP and TPOS pushed this
"safe" candidate. Where are the lampposts when you need them?
Yup.
A Tea Party Rogue would look a damn sight better about now, eh?
Feckless E-GOP jello-heads!
::gaah::
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On the other hand , the only way McCaskill would ever be raped is at gun-point ... and she'd have to be holding the gun .
I'd rather take the slug.
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They all won't back out till they do:
::asskicking::
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And I'm still pissed.....professionalism aside, or should I state only our side does professionalism matter.
I'm not saying te guy shouldn't quit( I wouldn't)......I'm sick and tired of the double standard. I'm sick and tired that our side must to be friggin perfect in everything we do or say. I'm sick and tired of the left setting the parameters in which we base our professionalism, while little Timmy, uncle Charlie, the prez, the queer, and a host of others hold high office while conducting their lives in manners that at least should include jail time.
But here we are, the left beating us about the head once again, we are against women, wah, wah, wah. So let's dump this guy so they will stop....but they never stop.
And please, don't give me the "we must hold ourselves to a higher standard even if they dont" crap. I've already heard it from some of my friends and I don't give a damn. He friggin misspoke, he didn't turn his home into a whorehouse, resco didn't get him a sweet deal on a house, he didn't build a bridge to appreciate the value of his property, he isn't lying on a beach like a beached whale....
We want to speak about professionalism? Then let's begin to act like pros. Professionals do not allow the crap dems pull to stand. No, we allow the libs to choose for us when we must be professional and I'm sick of it.
I hope he doesn't quit. He could do our party a favor and make us grow a set. Somewhere in the white house, we are being mocked. Puppets on a string.
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I understand your frustration Don. Basic decency places a burden upon us that the Leftists exploit, and it never seems to have an end. We're constantly in the position of defending against lies and caricatures. Our supposed leaders are worse at doing so than us laymen seem to be, and it seems at times they art universally feckless.
That said, if the Left's "War on Wimmins" was an empty warhead, what Akin said was like handing them radioactive material and a detonator.
And it's not just what he said. It's what he thinks.
If he's going to make the case that aborting a child because of rape is compounding a crime with a murder, make the case. It is a valid point, not that far out of the mainstream of thought on the matter, and one that is not too difficult to make.
But to take it a step further and make false biological statements that play right into enemy hands, at just the moment when their supposed "war" was being accepted as demonstrably false - that is stupid; ignorant; amateur; radical.
McCaskill is among the very most vulnerable Democrats. She cynically voted for ObamaCare against the will of the people of Missouri. She MUST be defeated. MUST. The Senate MUST be turned over to GOP hands in order to undo ObamaCare. All eyes and effort must be on that goal. Failing means the loss of the Republic, if it's not too late already. The country cannot survive the full implementation of ObamaCare.
Do we want our candidate to be one who is so stupid that he would nuke his own campaign a day before the deadline to drop out? Do we want such a person running against the experienced McCaskill? Can we afford to risk losing this race in order to stand by a man whose sentiment might be in the right place, even though his intellect and mouth betray him?
I don't think so. But I respect your opinion.
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I thought we wanted to take the senate back and relegate dirty harry to the back bench?
I don't care if aiken said something stupid or not. democrats say worse everyday without punishment.
But, ok, his opinion on rape and abortion is more important to us than taking the senate back. I understand that.
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I thought we wanted to take the senate back and relegate dirty harry to the back bench?
I don't care if aiken said something stupid or not. democrats say worse everyday without punishment.
But, ok, his opinion on rape and abortion is more important to us than taking the senate back. I understand that.
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I think the point is, his statement on abortion and rape places the imperative of taking the senate back at unnecessary risk.
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Akin has done nothing wrong; he said something, and it was nothing "egregious" about race which seems to be the Gold Standard for shunning these days, but repeated something medically inaccurate and old wive's tale-y.
He's apologized at least twice now, admitting his error. He's still polling ahead of McCaskill in MO.
This whole thing is stupid.
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Yeah, but he was the E-GOP choice and who is leading the charge on the Pubbie side to push him aside? Yup, old guard E-GOPer's. If people would just stop being led by the nose by the E-GOP and think for crying out loud we wouldn't even be talking about this because there would have been a better candidate going up against C.McCasket!
The E-GOP is usually throwing out conservatives and Tea Party candidates...we lost Bachmann in the POTUS race over an "inaccurate statement"...I'm having a hard time caring about one of the E-GOP's own getting thrown to the wolves...these critters go by the motto "when the going gets tough, we run and hide"...why is this such a stunner?
Plus, instead of getting ahead of the storm the Pubbies are once more playing catch up...Democrat-Media Complex is saying bad things about the GOP, that alone guarantees the E-GOP will surrender, it's in their DNA, it's what they do.
Just more symptoms of a dying party and illustrative of the idiocy of the party and the people selecting candidates. Kinda hard to recruit courage when you have none yourself.
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Akin has done nothing wrong; he said something...
He also thought something. Something terribly moronic that hands the Leftists a "see we told you so" club with which to beat the entire Republican party until the election. It puts Missouri at risk for the Senate and even the Presidency and down-ticket. For what?
...He's still polling ahead of McCaskill in MO...
Apparently not. Ace dissects the latest post-statement PPP poll. They OVER-sampled Republicans by +9 in order to give Akin a +1 edge over McCaskill, presumably to give him something to point to to justify his staying in the race.
I'll let ACE (http://www.ace.mu.nu/) say it:
Since PPP decided it can't help itself, I've done you all a service.
I went through their ridiculous R+9 sample and ONLY changed the D/R/I proportions to match previous elections, and an even turnout.
With R+9, PPP's headline screams Akin up by 1. It is an obvious, sick ploy to get this delusional Bio101 flunkie to stay in and cost us a seat.
Here are the real numbers:
If turnout in November matches 2008 (it won't):
McCaskill 49.25% Akin 39% (this is a D+6 turnout model)
If turnout in November is even, an incredible feat for the GOP considering heavy turnout in St Louis and Kansas City during an election year:
McCaskill 47% Akin 40%.
If turnout in November matches the best we have ever seen in the state (R+3 during 2010):
McCaskill 45% Akin 41%.
McCaskill is a dead duck if we dump Akin. The other candidates from the primary were crushing her up and down. To trail her by four in a best-case scenario is inexcusable at this point.
The fact that PPP had to triple the best R margin ever just to get Akin over McCaskill screams agenda polling, but they will never admit to that, so I'm calling them out on it, and it's time for you to spread the word. PPP's "Akin still leads" poll is garbage, the approval rating for Akin with this huge R spread is a God-awful 24%, and McCaskill hasn't cut one rape ad yet.
This whole thing is stupid
Can't argue with that. But that doesn't change the fact that this whole thing is, stupid or not. It must be dealt with now, or in November. I choose now.
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In contrast to Todd Akin, I give you ....
Democratic leaders in Minnesota are demanding a state lawmaker withdraw from his re-election bid after police claim he admitted to having sex with a 17-year-old boy at a rest stop.
While Rep. Kerry Gauthier, 56, will lose support from fellow Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party members if he continues with his campaign, party leaders stopped short Monday of asking him to immediately resign.
The first-term legislator wasn’t charged in the alleged July 22 encounter because the legal age of consent in Minnesota is 16 and no money was exchanged, according to the St. Louis County attorney’s office. Police say the two had oral sex behind a rest stop pavilion in Duluth after the teen responded to Gauthier’s Craigslist ad looking for a “no strings attached” sex.
Police reports made public last week say Gauthier came clean about the rest stop rendezvous.
Link (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/minn-rep-kerry-gauthier-caught-zipper-literally-admits-strings-attached-sex-17-year-old-boy-rest-stop-article-1.1140833)
Almost a month old and, no, it's not a national race, but we haven't heard squat, have we?
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Free man-boy love is fully supported by the Democrat-Media Complex, nobody was raped, no bad thoughts detected and he's a good democrat...thus the free pass!
Oh, and it takes a hell of a lot more to get a Dem to stop fighting, as opposed to your average Pubbie...
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Who wants to suddenly realize we are one vote short of repealing Obamacare because Claire McCaskill is still the Senator from Missouri? Apparently Akin doesn't GAS because it's all about him.
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Oh My Gawds! He thought something! Exactly what holier-than-them higher standard are "we" holding ourselves to here anyway, hmm, since what the man said, and thought, is merely moronic and not something bad he's done or said? Are "we" in the business of enforcing the politically correct standards of the Left now?
Fine, then. I predict this sort of nonsense will bite in the end. And now that I've said my piece, I'm done with it.
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In contrast to Todd Akin, I give you ....
Democratic leaders in Minnesota are demanding a state lawmaker withdraw from his re-election bid after police claim he admitted to having sex with a 17-year-old boy at a rest stop.
While Rep. Kerry Gauthier, 56, will lose support from fellow Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party members if he continues with his campaign, party leaders stopped short Monday of asking him to immediately resign.
The first-term legislator wasn’t charged in the alleged July 22 encounter because the legal age of consent in Minnesota is 16 and no money was exchanged, according to the St. Louis County attorney’s office. Police say the two had oral sex behind a rest stop pavilion in Duluth after the teen responded to Gauthier’s Craigslist ad looking for a “no strings attached” sex.
Police reports made public last week say Gauthier came clean about the rest stop rendezvous.
Link (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/minn-rep-kerry-gauthier-caught-zipper-literally-admits-strings-attached-sex-17-year-old-boy-rest-stop-article-1.1140833)
Almost a month old and, no, it's not a national race, but we haven't heard squat, have we?
It's been in the news up here. Not to the degree that it would be if he were a Republican or a Christian minister, but it hasn't been ignored.
I get your point though. The double standard is an egregious offense. It needs to stop, and it will - one way or the other.
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Oh My Gawds! He thought something! Exactly what holier-than-them higher standard are "we" holding ourselves to here anyway, hmm, since what the man said, and thought, is merely moronic and not something bad he's done or said? Are "we" in the business of enforcing the politically correct standards of the Left now?
In the broader sense this is and has been for some time the E-GOP standard. We (us here) are not condining this, the lack of a spine in the GOP brought us here. Now that it is out there and the party is turning on him, he's dead meat no matter what now and the Dem's will "Macaca" his butt through election day. But we'll see what happens, Akin says he is not bowing out.
Fine, then. I predict this sort of nonsense will bite in the end. And now that I've said my piece, I'm done with it.
It's the GOP, self-flaggelation while Dem's don't do as they say is how they like to roll...
I'm done too, but with Akin staying in and the GOP urging capitulation the merry-go-round of BS will roil the news wires for quite a while, and Obama, C.McCaskett & the Dem's the distraction they so desired.
Rah, Team!
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Oh My Gawds! He thought something! Exactly what holier-than-them higher standard are "we" holding ourselves to here anyway, hmm, since what the man said, and thought, is merely moronic and not something bad he's done or said? Are "we" in the business of enforcing the politically correct standards of the Left now?
Fine, then. I predict this sort of nonsense will bite in the end. And now that I've said my piece, I'm done with it.
By saying he "thought" something, I intended to indicate that he more than simply "said" something - he uttered what he believes, and what he believes is moronic, and demonstrates (to me at least) that he is not the man who conservatives should support for this office at this time. The stakes are too damned high.
I'm not enforcing PC standards of the Left. I simply want our candidate for Senate against the moronic Claire McCaskill to not be a moron. I want the best chance to beat her. Akin ain't it.
ETA: If we had heeded the warning signs in 2010, with Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell, we might not have ObamaCare to undo right now. I don't see why we ought not learn a lesson from those mistakes. In my opinion, we have to support the most conservative candidate who can win. Akin just sent up a flare that gives us a glaring warning.
“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down..."
"I am not a witch."
"I don't know that all of you are Latino. Some of you look a little more Asian to me."
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In my house my children can't argue BUT THEY DO IT. No, not in my house.
They do get a second chance but they have to take their lumps first.
I agree in that it's not "fair" that we have to abide by a higher standard. But if that is the hand we're dealt we need to make the most of it. We have STANDARDS unlike the Democrats who let anything go. We should stress that. Forced to take the high road we should flaunt it.
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IDP, I messed up and hit "modify" on your last post instead of "quote" as I intended. Mea culpa.
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OK, so Akin is guilty of saying something that is stupid. He refuses to step down.
Now what?
Do we go full out and support him against the democrat?
Or, do we side with the democrats and help them defeat him?
To me, this is an easy decision.
To me, the biggest mistake was the GOP jumping in and demanding that he step down. That was the stupidist, if you want to rate 'them' versus Akin.
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Oh My Gawds! He thought something! Exactly what holier-than-them higher standard are "we" holding ourselves to here anyway, hmm, since what the man said, and thought, is merely moronic and not something bad he's done or said? Are "we" in the business of enforcing the politically correct standards of the Left now?
Fine, then. I predict this sort of nonsense will bite in the end. And now that I've said my piece, I'm done with it.
By saying he "thought" something, I intended to indicate that he more than simply "said" something - he uttered what he believes, and what he believes is moronic, and demonstrates (to me at least) that he is not the man who conservatives should support for this office at this time. The stakes are too damned high.
The stakes are very high, and I am concerned about it as well. What I am equally concerned about is the EGOP's rush to dump this guy, after promoting him above the others, so it seems to me a lot of the worry about ceding that Senatorial seat is due to their pantywaist tactics.
I'm not enforcing PC standards of the Left. I simply want our candidate for Senate against the moronic Claire McCaskill to not be a moron. I want the best chance to beat her. Akin ain't it.
IDP, I agree about the best chance to beat her. Akin, however, is technically not our candidate, he's Missouri's. They hold an open primary and the Dems spent a wad supporting him because he's the guy they wanted McCaskill to run against. Because he's pro-life.
ETA: If we had heeded the warning signs in 2010, with Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell, we might not have ObamaCare to undo right now. I don't see why we ought not learn a lesson from those mistakes. In my opinion, we have to support the most conservative candidate who can win. Akin just sent up a flare that gives us a glaring warning.
As I understand it, Rove and his fellow travelers -- the EGOP again -- dumped on Angle and O'Donnell after the primaries. Looks to me like our problem is not so much candidates who occasionally say something moronic as the Ruling Class Republicans.
“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down..."
Yes, I agree. Moronic.
"I am not a witch."
"I don't know that all of you are Latino. Some of you look a little more Asian to me."
I have no idea who said that last.
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I think the damage done by this guy withdrawing his candidacy would be short term. Then the Repubs could move on. Basically, they could say we got rid of our stupid guy and you dems still have yours. (Though when Ryan withdrew in Illinois repubs weren't so lucky and they got BO as senator--thanks to the RINOs in the state)
On the otherhand, I think if I were in Missouri and he stayed in I would throw all my support behind him. Because we have to show strength in the face of these bullies who run the opposition.
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After the GOP jumped in and dumped their support for him, all the damage was done. Longterm and shortterm.
There is nothing that the GOP/akin can do now to satisfy the democrats. After all these years, I don't know why people still believe otherwise. ::whatgives::
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I thought we wanted to take the senate back and relegate dirty harry to the back bench?
I don't care if aiken said something stupid or not. democrats say worse everyday without punishment.
But, ok, his opinion on rape and abortion is more important to us than taking the senate back. I understand that.
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If akin stays in the race, we are about to find out something about our party, if it is really true that we must not lose this race. If Obama(care) is so destructive, so obtrusive, so overbearing, so expensive, then if he, by some, makes the mistake and stays in the race, will we structure the argument that while he said something stupid, he still exhibits solid conservative values worthy of support over a politician who went against the will of her state and supported obsma(care)..... Or was all that talk to defeat Obama....just talk.
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No, the GOP has cut the cord with this guy. He can expect zero official party support now. It is the only way they can plausibly insulate every other GOP candidate including Romney/Ryan from the Democrats' efforts to hang the issue around all their necks.
Yes, it's a double standard. But that's the reality we live in. The only way this country can hope to survive the fundamental transformation is to effectively run the table this November. That means taking the White House and Senate, and keeping the House. There were other good conservatives in that primary. Why can't he step aside and let one of them take the fight to McCaskill? We now have a probable Senate pick up put back in doubt, and for what?
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I guess the republicans want a standard where their candidates can never make a false statement or stupid statement. So, then there will never be a candidate worthy enuff for the republicans.
That sounds like a 'winning' strategy to me. ::evil::
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oh lookie - he was a paid democrats stooge. Kinda figured when I heard what he said ( You should have seen CNN gloating over it this morning - i was forced to watch in a McDonald's of all places)
http://washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-spent-1.5-mil-to-help-akin-win-gop-primary/article/2505373#.UDN9H91lREM (http://washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-spent-1.5-mil-to-help-akin-win-gop-primary/article/2505373#.UDN9H91lREM)
Call it a wise investment in light of his recent comments: Democrats wanted Missouri Republican congressman Todd Akin to win his state’s hotly contested Senate GOP primary because they believed he gave incumbent Senator Claire McCaskill her best shot at retaining her seat.
Or the spent 1.5 mill to get him the nomination and another 1.5 Mil to pay him off and to create this distraction for them.
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oh lookie - he was a paid democrats stooge. Kinda figured when I heard what he said ( You should have seen CNN gloating over it this morning - i was forced to watch in a McDonald's of all places)
http://washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-spent-1.5-mil-to-help-akin-win-gop-primary/article/2505373#.UDN9H91lREM (http://washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-spent-1.5-mil-to-help-akin-win-gop-primary/article/2505373#.UDN9H91lREM)
Call it a wise investment in light of his recent comments: Democrats wanted Missouri Republican congressman Todd Akin to win his state’s hotly contested Senate GOP primary because they believed he gave incumbent Senator Claire McCaskill her best shot at retaining her seat.
Or the spent 1.5 mill to get him the nomination and another 1.5 Mil to pay him off and to create this distraction for them.
the new dem strategy? So now we know.
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oh lookie - he was a paid democrats stooge. Kinda figured when I heard what he said ( You should have seen CNN gloating over it this morning - i was forced to watch in a McDonald's of all places)
http://washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-spent-1.5-mil-to-help-akin-win-gop-primary/article/2505373#.UDN9H91lREM (http://washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-spent-1.5-mil-to-help-akin-win-gop-primary/article/2505373#.UDN9H91lREM)
Call it a wise investment in light of his recent comments: Democrats wanted Missouri Republican congressman Todd Akin to win his state’s hotly contested Senate GOP primary because they believed he gave incumbent Senator Claire McCaskill her best shot at retaining her seat.
Or the spent 1.5 mill to get him the nomination and another 1.5 Mil to pay him off and to create this distraction for them.
Was he a democrat stooge for the 15 years he served in the house? .NOT.
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That last comment was Sharron Angle's Pan, to a group of Latino Nevadans.
I'm going to walk back just a bit, and agree with radioman's point about the GOP's jumping in to smash this guy.
They believed they could force him out of the race. Now he's damaged goods. We'll have the same dynamic as we did in 2010 with the Roveites bashing Akin, even though he's the primary victor.
A smart party would have made no official comment, approached Akin behind the scenes, demanded he step down, and waited to see what he would do. If he stepped down at that point, they could have praised his integrity. If he didn't, they could've devised a strategy for dealing with the political fallout.
Now, it is all fallout, all the time. No way back. He's staying in, and the GOP is already on record as condemning him. No walking that back. He's doomed, and so is the chance to unseat McCaskill, barring something unforeseen.
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If we lack the ability to repeal Obamacare by 1 Senate vote, this prick owns it lock stock and barrel.
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If we lack the ability to repeal Obamacare by 1 Senate vote, the GOP owns it lock stock and barrel for not supporting their candidates.
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Send money!!He may be an ass but he's our ass.
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That last comment was Sharron Angle's Pan, to a group of Latino Nevadans.
I'm going to walk back just a bit, and agree with radioman's point about the GOP's jumping in to smash this guy.
They believed they could force him out of the race. Now he's damaged goods. We'll have the same dynamic as we did in 2010 with the Roveites bashing Akin, even though he's the primary victor.
A smart party would have made no official comment, approached Akin behind the scenes, demanded he step down, and waited to see what he would do. If he stepped down at that point, they could have praised his integrity. If he didn't, they could've devised a strategy for dealing with the political fallout.
Now, it is all fallout, all the time. No way back. He's staying in, and the GOP is already on record as condemning him. No walking that back. He's doomed, and so is the chance to unseat McCaskill, barring something unforeseen.
As I said...We are the dems puppets, their toy.....We mishandled him because the lib party poo poo'd us. We were reactionary. Held us to a standard they don't live.We paniced. So now, the prideful party we are, we'll walk away from him. For all I know, the way the pubbies act, they were in on the dem fix. Probably fronted the money libs spent on Akins campaign.
Might as well make misatke #2. Walk away pubbies, we are the party of principle. ::smileykissup:: ::kiss-my-ass::
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If we lack the ability to repeal Obamacare by 1 Senate vote, the GOP owns it lock stock and barrel for not supporting their candidates.
You don't support a gangrenous limb, you cut it off. How we got to this point is now irrelevant, what's important is the way things are. The fact is what would have been an easy pick up in the Senate is now going to probably stay in Dem hands and it may tar other big races including President.
At this point I don't care if he got a raw deal. He's dead weight. This is not any other election. This is the last one that will count for anything. Getting rid of Democrats is priority #1, and regardless of how it came to be this way the fact is it is this way: another candidate would have a much easier time of defeating McCaskill.
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If we lack the ability to repeal Obamacare by 1 Senate vote, the GOP owns it lock stock and barrel for not supporting their candidates.
You don't support a gangrenous limb, you cut it off. How we got to this point is now irrelevant, what's important is the way things are. The fact is what would have been an easy pick up in the Senate is now going to probably stay in Dem hands and it may tar other big races including President.
At this point I don't care if he got a raw deal. He's dead weight. This is not any other election. This is the last one that will count for anything. Getting rid of Democrats is priority #1, and regardless of how it came to be this way the fact is it is this way: another candidate would have a much easier time of defeating McCaskill.
Which gangerenous limb? Mccaskil? Obama? Akin?
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Akin is the gangrenous limb to the extent that he is now significantly wounded in his ability to defeat his Democratic opponent. That's the name of the game isn't it?
It's all a moot point now. He's staying in the race. We'll see how it turns out.
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oh lookie - he was a paid democrats stooge. Kinda figured when I heard what he said ( You should have seen CNN gloating over it this morning - i was forced to watch in a McDonald's of all places)
http://washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-spent-1.5-mil-to-help-akin-win-gop-primary/article/2505373#.UDN9H91lREM (http://washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-spent-1.5-mil-to-help-akin-win-gop-primary/article/2505373#.UDN9H91lREM)
Call it a wise investment in light of his recent comments: Democrats wanted Missouri Republican congressman Todd Akin to win his state’s hotly contested Senate GOP primary because they believed he gave incumbent Senator Claire McCaskill her best shot at retaining her seat.
Or the spent 1.5 mill to get him the nomination and another 1.5 Mil to pay him off and to create this distraction for them.
Was he a democrat stooge for the 15 years he served in the house? .NOT.
Maybe this year they finally found his price.
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Akin is the gangrenous limb to the extent that he is now significantly wounded in his ability to defeat his Democratic opponent. That's the name of the game isn't it?
It's all a moot point now. He's staying in the race. We'll see how it turns out.
He is running against a dem who went against the will of the people and voted for obamacare. At one point, she was obamas favorite stooge. She's been in more wrecks than evil kinevil....but our guy is damaged goods.
Our party is lost.we can't handle one poor statement. We've so regressed as a party that we can't figure out how to turn this around.
It's like a football game, we were up by 50 and gave up a meaningless score.......now we think we can't win. It's not that we can't win, we've lost the will to win. We've forgotten how.
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Akin is the gangrenous limb to the extent that he is now significantly wounded in his ability to defeat his Democratic opponent. That's the name of the game isn't it?
It's all a moot point now. He's staying in the race. We'll see how it turns out.
He is running against a dem who went against the will of the people and voted for obamacare. At one point, she was obamas favorite stooge. She's been in more wrecks than evil kinevil....but our guy is damaged goods.
Our party is lost.we can't handle one poor statement. We've so regressed as a party that we can't figure out how to turn this around.
It's like a football game, we were up by 50 and gave up a meaningless score.......now we think we can't win. It's not that we can't win, we've lost the will to win. We've forgotten how.
Bingo. I'm with you. And I'm disgustipated.
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Send money!!He may be an ass but he's our ass.
Considering MO open primary, that makes it their blunder. Most ridiculous election policy will give you the most ridiculous results and since the GOP really didn't have a choice in forcing yet another bad candidate on the people I can say without reservation this is what you get when common logic is absent.
You may as well as our enemies to participate in our elections over all, oh wait....
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Akin is the gangrenous limb to the extent that he is now significantly wounded in his ability to defeat his Democratic opponent. That's the name of the game isn't it?
It's all a moot point now. He's staying in the race. We'll see how it turns out.
He is running against a dem who went against the will of the people and voted for obamacare. At one point, she was obamas favorite stooge. She's been in more wrecks than evil kinevil....but our guy is damaged goods.
Our party is lost.we can't handle one poor statement. We've so regressed as a party that we can't figure out how to turn this around.
It's like a football game, we were up by 50 and gave up a meaningless score.......now we think we can't win. It's not that we can't win, we've lost the will to win. We've forgotten how.
Again, this is the feckless moderate GOP we've all begun to loath and despise. They are not comprised of a majority of fighters or principled conservatives interested in what this nation was founded upon. If this is what it takes to illustrate the point for some people that is fine, but people the time for supporting this guy has passed, it's over regardless if we want to think differently, because the GOP is not going to suddenly change its mind and say "Oops, sorry, we really want to stand up for this guy who is being unfairly attacked over a simple misstatement"! It ain't gonna happen, that is not the GOP way. We are stuck with two lousy choices now - pick a new candidate or stick with this guy and likely lose. That's it.
As far as the GOP is concerned I am done trying to get them to change. It is ALL on THEM. I've said all along this is the LAST CHANCE for the GOP to exist as a major national political party, and judging from this episode the trend continues to suck. I do not expect them to change, I do not expect them to learn, I do not expect an outcome different than what we have already seen year after year.
If this is the last free election we have, so be it, I will deem it to be the will of God.
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"Todd Akin's comments were offensive and wrong and he should very seriously consider what course would be in the best interest of our country. Today, his fellow Missourians urged him to step aside, and I think he should accept their counsel and exit the Senate race," Mr. Romney said in a statement from his campaign.
Read more: Romney tells Akin to go - Washington Times
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/aug/21/romney-tells-akin-to-go/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/aug/21/romney-tells-akin-to-go/)
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Sarah Palin is advising for someone to make a 3rd party run, but that doesn't help the senate seat count. Just saying.....
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Somehow, I think that the GOP is going to battle Todd Akin in his run for the senate anyway. So, do they really want that senate seat? He's electable, and especially if they would support him. Of course, this won't be the first time that they openly opposed one of their own candidates. Go figure?
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Sarah Palin is advising for someone to make a 3rd party run, but that doesn't help the senate seat count. Just saying.....
Maybe she should move to Missouri and step up to the plate.
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Sarah Palin is advising for someone to make a 3rd party run, but that doesn't help the senate seat count. Just saying.....
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Somehow, I think that the GOP is going to battle Todd Akin in his run for the senate anyway. So, do they really want that senate seat? ...
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No, this is the out they've been waiting for. The want the perks
not the responsibility. Now they will be able to enjoy the Country
Club without having to perform. Mytch will be able to enjoy his
facial and massage without being interrupted by important business.
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The conservatives in MO have no choice --they have to try to get this guy in. It's not like there aren't or haven't been bozos in the senate before....
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Rush and Levin both articulated what it is about this whole episode that irks me. This is not just any other election. This is the last one that will give us any chance at halting the fundamental transformation. The stakes could not be higher. So if you have an 80% probability of winning in a particular race, WTF do anything that would reduce that to even 79%?
IDP is right, the Republican leadership should not have immediately gone public in their demands. But they did, and it's done. That horse has already bolted the barn. He is now a severely handicapped candidate, possibly ruining the chance to win a Senate majority. Does it now really matter why he is a weakened candidate? He just is, period. Knowing this, I find it unforgivable that he not step aside and let another candidate run for the seat. Because the stakes are just that high.
It seems a lot of his defenders are basing that defense on all the should-bes. The Republican Party should have backbone. The media should make an issue out of Democrat stupidity too. Etc, etc, and so on. Yeah, all that is true. But what good does it serve to bicker over recriminations? In every single election this year, we need the candidates who stand the very highest chance of defeating their Democrat opponents. Now, for a variety of injuries both self-inflicted and not, we have one in Missouri who is substantially less likely to defeat his loathsome opponent. Why isn't that enough of a reason to fall on your sword and let one of your fitter colleagues enter the ring?
I can tell you one thing, if next year we lack a majority in the Senate because Claire McCaskill kept her seat, I will take exactly zero comfort in the idea that Todd Akin really stuck it to those GOP insiders. That's a fool's prize.
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Rush and Levin both articulated what it is about this whole episode that irks me. This is not just any other election. This is the last one that will give us any chance at halting the fundamental transformation. The stakes could not be higher. So if you have an 80% probability of winning in a particular race, WTF do anything that would reduce that to even 79%?
IDP is right, the Republican leadership should not have immediately gone public in their demands. But they did, and it's done. That horse has already bolted the barn. He is now a severely handicapped candidate, possibly ruining the chance to win a Senate majority. Does it now really matter why he is a weakened candidate? He just is, period. Knowing this, I find it unforgivable that he not step aside and let another candidate run for the seat. Because the stakes are just that high.
It seems a lot of his defenders are basing that defense on all the should-bes. The Republican Party should have backbone. The media should make an issue out of Democrat stupidity too. Etc, etc, and so on. Yeah, all that is true. But what good does it serve to bicker over recriminations? In every single election this year, we need the candidates who stand the very highest chance of defeating their Democrat opponents. Now, for a variety of injuries both self-inflicted and not, we have one in Missouri who is substantially less likely to defeat his loathsome opponent. Why isn't that enough of a reason to fall on your sword and let one of your fitter colleagues enter the ring?
I can tell you one thing, if next year we lack a majority in the Senate because Claire McCaskill kept her seat, I will take exactly zero comfort in the idea that Todd Akin really stuck it to those GOP insiders. That's a fool's prize.
Your entire position is based on the premise that if Todd now resigns and let someone take his place, then this issue will go away and it will increase the odds for a GOP victory. Right?
My position is that even if Todd steps down, the democrats are still going to go after the blood in the water, and that his stepping down will not quiet this issue down one bit. The blood has already been spilt and you can't put the blood back in the bottle.
My position is that the best way out of this scenario is for the GOP party to throw their entire support behind Todd and do everything they can to get him elected. Anything less than that, then THEY own the defeat, not Todd.
The substance of Todd's answer was that he opposes abortion even in cases of rape. Guess what? That policy is still part of the GOP party platform, so do they really have a legitimate reason to have bashed him like this? That is the party platform, and that is the issue that the democrats are going to hammer the GOP with. Regardless of Todd.
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Yes, my position is that stepping aside would have increased the odds of a GOP win in that race. The Democrats would continue to try to get mileage out of it, but they wouldn't get nearly as much mileage out of it as they will now. I'm also not certain his abortion position is what riles people. It's the moronic, medieval concept of magic lady parts preventing conception in rape. He might as well just discuss how Columbus was a heretic for believing the Earth is round. That's the public perception now.
The only real question is this: is he or is he not a weaker candidate than he was prior to Sunday, August 19th?
I say he is. Arguing over why he is, or whether it's rightly so, doesn't really matter. He just is. And it's an extra burden we didn't need in 2012.
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Yes, my position is that stepping aside would have increased the odds of a GOP win in that race. The Democrats would continue to try to get mileage out of it, but they wouldn't get nearly as much mileage out of it as they will now. I'm also not certain his abortion position is what riles people. It's the moronic, medieval concept of magic lady parts preventing conception in rape. He might as well just discuss how Columbus was a heretic for believing the Earth is round. That's the public perception now.
The only real question is this: is he or is he not a weaker candidate than he was prior to Sunday, August 19th?
I say he is. Arguing over why he is, or whether it's rightly so, doesn't really matter. He just is. And it's an extra burden we didn't need in 2012.
The main point of his answer was that abortions should not be allowed even in cases of rape, because we should never punish the unborn baby.
He got sidetracked by mentioning his beliefs about the body being able to reject a pregnancy, but because you don't agree with that, and you think it was a stupid statement to make, then that rises to the threshold of demanding that he step down? Are we at the point now, that we should demand candidates not have opinions other than our own?
Because if you're looking for stupid statements by candidates, then don't stop or start with Todd. Remember, was it Midway that may capsize? Did we make him resign? no, we chuckled, and used it as fodder for a lot of jokes.
My position is that it is the GOP establishment that is 'F****ing up, and if they are really serious about taking over the senate, they better get their A$$$es in gear, and quit being such MORONS!!
The real kicker here with Todd is that he is an unabashed Christian that is unwilling to walk away from his strong held beliefs that is rankling the GOP. That is why they jumped on this so quickly, because thay have been looking for an excuse to begin with to dump him. Fact: there is no room in the GOP for an unabashed evangelical Christian.
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A Politician Whose Faith Is Central to His Persistence
By JOHN ELIGON
Published: August 21, 2012
• NYT
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Throughout his political career, Representative Todd Akin’s agenda has been driven by a belief that his mission came from God.
As a Republican member of Congress, he has sponsored legislation to name 2008 “The National Year of the Bible,” and to promote greater recognition of the Ten Commandments. A member of the Presbyterian Church in America, Mr. Akin has accused liberals of trying to remove God from the public sphere. And as the Republican establishment closed ranks on him Tuesday, trying to force him to withdraw from the Missouri Senate race after his controversial remarks about rape and abortion, Mr. Akin provided divine reasoning as to why he would not quit.
It was “appropriate to recognize a creator, God, whose blessings of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is the very source of American freedom,” Mr. Akin, 65, said in a radio interview. “And that part of the message I feel is missing” from the campaign, he said, adding, “That’s the reason why we’re going to continue. Because I believe there is a cause here.”
Mr. Akin’s defiance and insistence that even without the establishment’s support, he can defeat the incumbent Democrat, Senator Claire McCaskill, in a race that could decide the balance of power in the Senate was indicative of his nearly quarter-century in politics in which he regularly embraced the underdog role, relying on grass-roots support and his faith to power him through.
Outspoken and blunt — too blunt, some might say — Mr. Akin, 65, is no stranger to incendiary comments. He has criticized federal spending on things like school lunches and student loans and has been quick to equate government spending to socialism.
“ ‘God called me to run’ — that’s the way he thinks,” said Jeff Smith, a former Democratic state senator in Missouri, said of Mr. Akin, a six-term congressman who represents parts of eastern Missouri. “I think he thinks it’s his destiny, and so you’re going to have to get somebody pretty high up there — or, in his mind, pretty close to God — to push him out.”
Before Sunday, Mr. Akin was favored to defeat Ms. McCaskill. But then a Fox affiliate in St. Louis showed an interview in which he said that women possess a biological mechanism to ward off pregnancy if they become victims of “legitimate rape.” Major donors responded by saying they would cut off Mr. Akin’s financing. Prominent national Republican officials have asked him to drop out of the race, fearing he could not win.
Mr. Akin was first elected to the Missouri House in 1988 and much of his base in his early years as a legislator came from being a part of a network of parents who home-schooled their children. All six of his children were home-schooled. His election to Congress in 2000 was a stroke of good fortune, local political analysts said. He was seen as an outside candidate in a five-way Republican primary that he won by 56 votes, in part because the more moderate candidates cut into each other’s tally.
In the three-person Republican Senate primary this year, Mr. Akin also was not favored, yet he won in part because Ms. McCaskill and her supporters spent nearly $2 million on advertisements highlighting his conservatism. This was part of the McCaskill camp’s strategy to help Mr. Akin win the race, as it thought he would be the easiest candidate to beat in the general election.
William Todd Akin was born in New York on July 5, 1947, but grew up in St. Louis, near where his family had a steel business. He is, in some ways, an enigma.
While he home-schooled all of his children and is appealing mostly to a working-class constituency, he graduated from an elite suburban St. Louis prep school, John Burroughs. He got a degree in engineering from Worcester Polytechnic Institute before earning a master’s in divinity from the Covenant Theological Seminary in Missouri.
He worked as a manager at now-bankrupt Laclede Steel, the company his great-grandfather founded and served at as president, succeeded by Mr. Akin’s grandfather and father. Mr. Akin’s great-grandfather, grandfather and father all attended Harvard.
Mr. Akin chose a different career path, one influenced by his faith.
Rick Mathes, of the Mission Gate Prison Ministry, where Mr. Akin serves on the advisory board, said that Mr. Akin’s beliefs drive his political approaches and work. “He wouldn’t violate his beliefs if you shot him,” said Mr. Mathes, who added that he and Mr. Akin, who participates in Bible studies and prayer groups, were “far to the right” of people like Rush Limbaugh.
Mr. Akin, said Mr. Mathes, believed that “America needs to be returned to its roots, its Judeo-Christian roots.”
Yet officials worry that though Mr. Akin has had success speaking to an evangelical constituency, he would struggle in appealing to diverse groups of voters.
But Jonathan Sternberg, a state Republican committee member, said he was drawn to Mr. Akin by his well-spoken, common-sense economic approach. At one event, Mr. Akin spoke of how he had to tell President George W. Bush that he could not vote for education, Medicare and bailout bills that the Mr. Bush asked him to support because of their budgetary implications.
Still, he acknowledged that Mr. Akin’s mouth could sometimes get him into trouble. “Todd Akin works so hard and tears himself so ragged,” Mr. Sternberg said, “that he has the propensity to say things without thinking.”[/quote]
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My position is that it is the GOP establishment that is 'F****ing up, and if they are really serious about taking over the senate, they better get their A$$$es in gear, and quit being such MORONS!!
Yes, but the fact is they DID pull the rug out from under him. They've cut off his funding and publicly repudiated him. It's past tense. Over. Finito. His options were to step aside for someone else and stew in his own fury about what a raw deal he got, or fight some quixotic battle that is now much harder than it needed to be.
I know which option I would have taken, the one that is most likely to result in Claire McCaskill going home.
Perhaps I see this election too severely. In my view we are in "throw the weak off the life raft" times. This is the final battle. We get the Republicans in control of both chambers and the White House this November, or it's over.
There's really nothing more I can say on this subject because it doesn't really matter now. He has decided to stay in the race, so we'll just have to see what comes of it. I hope he wins.
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Basically, Todd called their bluff and stayed in the race.
So, now, the ball is in their court. Are they, or are they not, going to support him? How bad do they want to take control of the senate?
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The irony here.....if we must stop the fundemental transformation of America, as we all feel we must do......I'd want a staunch conservative christian on my team. Mr Akin fills the bill.
So I'm glad he stayed. Call me what you will. If our republican leadership exhibited a small fraction of the conviction Mr Akin has shown, we wouldn't be debating this today.
There are a few bridges I don't want to die on.....But this isn't one of them. Hopefully the voters will understand his conviction and vote for him. Freakin republicans sure don't.
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The irony here.....if we must stop the fundemental transformation of America, as we all feel we must do......I'd want a staunch conservative christian on my team. Mr Akin fills the bill.
So I'm glad he stayed. Call me what you will. If our republican leadership exhibited a small fraction of the conviction Mr Akin has shown, we wouldn't be debating this today.
There are a few bridges I don't want to die on.....But this isn't one of them. Hopefully the voters will understand his conviction and vote for him. Freakin republicans sure don't.
Amen Bro'!
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I've rarely or never seen establishment, respected conservative punditry, and grassroots conservatives line up so quickly or decisively to demand an end to a Republican's political race.
The list of people from Rush Limbaugh to Mitt Romney and everyone in between united to demand Akin step aside is nearly universal.
There is NO WAY the GOP and grassroots organizations can now back this guy, and not become the party of magical sperm-killing vaginas.
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I've rarely or never seen establishment, respected conservative punditry, and grassroots conservatives line up so quickly or decisively to demand an end to a Republican's political race.
The list of people from Rush Limbaugh to Mitt Romney and everyone in between united to demand Akin step aside is nearly universal.
There is NO WAY the GOP and grassroots organizations can now back this guy, and not become the party of magical sperm-killing vaginas.
They do have the option of 'butting' out and let the locals do the voting without the GOP going on national TV, campaigning against Todd. They can just 'shut up' and spend their time trying to get Romney elected.
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I've rarely or never seen establishment, respected conservative punditry, and grassroots conservatives line up so quickly or decisively to demand an end to a Republican's political race.
The list of people from Rush Limbaugh to Mitt Romney and everyone in between united to demand Akin step aside is nearly universal.
There is NO WAY the GOP and grassroots organizations can now back this guy, and not become the party of magical sperm-killing vaginas.
While the libs are magical baby killing vaginas. We need people who understand how to structure the argument.
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...We need people who understand how to structure the argument.
Rush made that point today. The argument can be made (I said this at the outset too) that a child in the womb is the ultimate innocent victim of rape, and should be killed under no circumstances. That was most certainly Akin's point - a point upon which he stood and was elected by the Missouri GOP electorate. But he complicated everything by wading into the deep end without the ability to swim in it.
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Yes, my position is that stepping aside would have increased the odds of a GOP win in that race. The Democrats would continue to try to get mileage out of it, but they wouldn't get nearly as much mileage out of it as they will now. I'm also not certain his abortion position is what riles people. It's the moronic, medieval concept of magic lady parts preventing conception in rape. He might as well just discuss how Columbus was a heretic for believing the Earth is round. That's the public perception now.
The only real question is this: is he or is he not a weaker candidate than he was prior to Sunday, August 19th?
I say he is. Arguing over why he is, or whether it's rightly so, doesn't really matter. He just is. And it's an extra burden we didn't need in 2012.
Top it all off, Claire was a very weakened candidate going into this even without her rubber stamp vote for Commie-care let us not forget the jet thingy and all the rest of the unbelievable stupid sh*t she's said over the last six years. The seat was ours for the taking except that now that the TEA party was beaten and bashed upside the head by Porky Butthead and his clan of Merry "who gives a rat's ass about the country" men.
All this pointing again to stupid GOP putting up limp candidates for a race that was all but won to an Obama lackey. sh*t, I'm so pissed but not quite expecting anything else from these asshats in the establishment. You want change back to constitutional republic than we're going to have to dust off the guns and begin a real bloody war. ::dueling::
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One glimmer of hope is that this entered the news cycle prior to the conventions. I have a feeling the OWS garbage outside of the convention halls are going to push Todd Akin to the back pages of the news. They're already discovering stashes of bricks, rocks, and other projectile weapons designated with graffiti in Tampa.
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One glimmer of hope is that this entered the news cycle prior to the conventions. I have a feeling the OWS garbage outside of the convention halls are going to push Todd Akin to the back pages of the news. They're already discovering stashes of bricks, rocks, and other projectile weapons designated with graffiti in Tampa.
Where did you see that?
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One glimmer of hope is that this entered the news cycle prior to the conventions. I have a feeling the OWS garbage outside of the convention halls are going to push Todd Akin to the back pages of the news. They're already discovering stashes of bricks, rocks, and other projectile weapons designated with graffiti in Tampa.
Where did you see that?
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/08/22/New-Convention-Threat-Occupy-Graffiti-Weapons-Found-in-Tampa-Near-RNC-Convention-Site (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/08/22/New-Convention-Threat-Occupy-Graffiti-Weapons-Found-in-Tampa-Near-RNC-Convention-Site)
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One glimmer of hope is that this entered the news cycle prior to the conventions. I have a feeling the OWS garbage outside of the convention halls are going to push Todd Akin to the back pages of the news. They're already discovering stashes of bricks, rocks, and other projectile weapons designated with graffiti in Tampa.
Where did you see that?
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/08/22/New-Convention-Threat-Occupy-Graffiti-Weapons-Found-in-Tampa-Near-RNC-Convention-Site (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/08/22/New-Convention-Threat-Occupy-Graffiti-Weapons-Found-in-Tampa-Near-RNC-Convention-Site)
You forget who runs the news cycle. But I hope you're right.
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I know who runs the news cycle, but I also know there's only so much shelf life they can squeeze out of a particular story. Romney's dog on the roof, Ann Romney never worked a day in her life, Romney killed a man's wife, all these were recent efforts by the media that seem like ancient history now. Let's hope the same will be true for the Missouri Moron.
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Those stories about them arming up in Tampa are interesting.
I'm sure the convention attendees are reading them also.
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Oh My Gawds! He thought something! Exactly what holier-than-them higher standard are "we" holding ourselves to here anyway, hmm, since what the man said, and thought, is merely moronic and not something bad he's done or said? Are "we" in the business of enforcing the politically correct standards of the Left now?
Fine, then. I predict this sort of nonsense will bite in the end. And now that I've said my piece, I'm done with it.
By saying he "thought" something, I intended to indicate that he more than simply "said" something - he uttered what he believes, and what he believes is moronic, and demonstrates (to me at least) that he is not the man who conservatives should support for this office at this time. The stakes are too damned high.
I'm not enforcing PC standards of the Left. I simply want our candidate for Senate against the moronic Claire McCaskill to not be a moron. I want the best chance to beat her. Akin ain't it.
ETA: If we had heeded the warning signs in 2010, with Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell, we might not have ObamaCare to undo right now. I don't see why we ought not learn a lesson from those mistakes. In my opinion, we have to support the most conservative candidate who can win. Akin just sent up a flare that gives us a glaring warning.
“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down..."
"I am not a witch."
"I don't know that all of you are Latino. Some of you look a little more Asian to me."
This is nonsense. I am NOT a Republican, I am a conservative. i vote with the Republicans for lack of a better choice, not because I think they are so great. This man was solidly pro-life, What he meant was clear from the tape. it had to be twisted and turned, and clipped and commented on, to make it appear what it was not. What he said was TRUE. Trauma DOES affect the chances of a pregnancy. He said it badly. Tough. It happens. He was giving an interview, and yes, he could have been better. I have seen Karl Rove say stupid stuff too, when thinking on his feet. (NOt that it was stupid, but it left room for a leftist to twist it!) That is all that happened to Akin. Defending against the attacks on life and liberty cannot take a back seat to a leftists immediate happiness. I will support him even if I have to send him money my self. I do not trust MY money to the RNC anyway. This man is not my enemy, but Claire McKaskill sure is. She HATES me and all that I stand for...freedom....hope...faith....and the US Constitution. These things are her enemy and all that will stand against her.
Btw, this is my first post on this forum. Let us NEVER form circular firing squads. Take out Claire. let her find a nice lobbying job, but get her OUT of the Senate and SUPPORT Akin!
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Hey there, CHF! Glad you could join us.
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Hey there, CHF! Glad you could join us.
Thank you. My perception is some here might regret my joining the discussion. There is so much good we can do in sharpening our arguments in a forum like this, but, the circular firing squad of the stupid party is not constructive.
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Take out Claire. let her find a nice lobbying job, but get her OUT of the Senate and SUPPORT Akin!
I wouldn't hire her as a greeter at Walmart. She's a menace.
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I know who runs the news cycle, but I also know there's only so much shelf life they can squeeze out of a particular story. Romney's dog on the roof, Ann Romney never worked a day in her life, Romney killed a man's wife, all these were recent efforts by the media that seem like ancient history now. Let's hope the same will be true for the Missouri Moron.
I hope you are right since it appears that Akin will not step aside. Recent history seems to argue that this will not go away.
"Macaca" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macaca_(term)) comes to mind.
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Hey there, CHF! Glad you could join us.
Thank you. My perception is some here might regret my joining the discussion. There is so much good we can do in sharpening our arguments in a forum like this, but, the circular firing squad of the stupid party is not constructive.
There are no libs here (well, they come once in a while and if they can't stand the ridicule, once they resort to flaming, the ban-hammer comes into play); we're conservatives first, Republicans second, because other choices are limited (and not all of us agree on that), so, if you remember that we don't do the circular firing squad thing against each here, you'll be fine. We debate, sometimes it gets testy (ahem), but most of us have been together for a good while now, so we hang together because .... well, you know the rest.
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I (mostly) get what Akin said - but I sure wouldn't have exposed my flank the way he did.
Once done it shouldn't have taken but an hour or so to see the damage he (self)inflicted - and the damaging reverberations for every pubbie around him, but he chose to fight "on principle" (or something).
Seeing that the prevailing weight of public opinion was against him (for better or worse) he defiantly stuck out his chin.
He is now certainly damaged goods, I just don't know if the damage is terminal (my guess is yes).
Even if he prevails he has the kiss of death about him and doubt that anyone will want to get anywhere near him.
I sure wouldn't want to be a Missouri pubbie voter this time around.
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Hey there, CHF! Glad you could join us.
Thank you. My perception is some here might regret my joining the discussion. There is so much good we can do in sharpening our arguments in a forum like this, but, the circular firing squad of the stupid party is not constructive.
There are no libs here (well, they come once in a while and if they can't stand the ridicule, once they resort to flaming, the ban-hammer comes into play); we're conservatives first, Republicans second, because other choices are limited (and not all of us agree on that), so, if you remember that we don't do the circular firing squad thing against each here, you'll be fine. We debate, sometimes it gets testy (ahem), but most of us have been together for a good while now, so we hang together because .... well, you know the rest.
Well, revolutionaries second and Republicans a distant third. I'm done with the GOP, the stupid party. Forrest Gump had better sense that those elitist idiots.
Remember that causes of Civil War debate Pan last year, I thought some were going to fuse together to make a new element...it was hot! ::slapfight::
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I remember, Warpmine. It was one of a very few times where things got heated; nevertheless, here we all are. Part of what I so like about this place and all of you.
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ChrstnHsbndFt, welcome to IAF, your points are
sound and well made. We usually, unlike Pubbies,
find better targets than each other to shoot at.
Just watch out for the gravy.
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ChrstnHsbndFt, welcome to IAF, your points are
sound and well made. We usually, unlike Pubbies,
find better targets than each other to shoot at.
Just watch out for the gravy.
Owwwlol.
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I should add for the benefit of our new member -- and welcome! -- that I am no apologist for the spineless GOP establishment. I just take a very simplified view of this election, and that is we must defeat Obama and his Democrat Party at any cost. Winning the White House won't be enough. We must obtain a majority in the Senate too, and keep the majority we have in the House. It could come down to literally one seat in the Senate. I worry that Akin may be fatally wounded as a candidate. There is an argument to be had about how much of the wounding was self-inflicted vs. an after the fact pile-on, but to me the important thing is he is a weaker candidate than he was prior to his Sunday interview. I just hope it does not snowball into a disaster for our efforts to stop Obama and his Merry Band of Marxists.
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It is interesting to me, that this - THIS - of all the egregious offenses against the nation in the past few years, and ll the threats we now face - THIS is the topic that spurs the most heated discussion we've had here in months.
I don't get it, but I find it invigorating. I know I've been challenged to compare my thoughts on the matter to those of others, and the shape of my view has been changed, even if my basic understanding of the issue hasn't.
A) We're stressed.
B) That's not all bad.
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And the crawler bots aren't interested at all.
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It is interesting to me, that this - THIS - of all the egregious offenses against the nation in the past few years, and ll the threats we now face - THIS is the topic that spurs the most heated discussion we've had here in months.
I don't get it, but I find it invigorating. I know I've been challenged to compare my thoughts on the matter to those of others, and the shape of my view has been changed, even if my basic understanding of the issue hasn't.
A) We're stressed.
B) That's not all bad.
It's not just here ... PJ Media's Michael Walsh wrote against Akin and the comments reflect the same sort of division of opinion.
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Has anyone seen any MO polls lately?
I wonder if Akin's defiance will have some appeal -- there is an element of defiance in the Tea Party/conservative movement that's willingness to toss anyone not espousing real conservative and Consitutional principles regardless of what the establishment or pundits or the "party" says. So perhaps the opposite might occur in this case--a willingness to stick with Akin despite what every expert says.
The republicans blew this big time. They should have let the guy apologize and move on. We'd not be discussing now if they had. I'm disappointed that everyone including Palin and Rush wanted him to quit. (Remember Palin backed a different guy any way so that shouldn't be surprising she reached that conclusion.) Personally, I don't think his comment reaches the level of "unfit to run and hold a senate seat". All of those seasoned political "experts" are thinking about this in one way only -- as a political match in which they must make the best move they can to win. So they figure the best move is to toss the guy and then show him who's in charge by vilifying him and not supporting him. These experts forget that's not how the Tea Party/ conservative movement has gained strength in this country--not by political strategy but by sticking to principles. If any of them had stood up and said--"Look he made a mistake, he apologized. What's important is he believes in conservative principles, he supports the Constitution", yada, yada and moved the discussion ahead then the voters and everyone else would have moved on. The media and dems would have looked stupid trying to continue it.
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Has anyone seen any MO polls lately?
Rassmussen has him down 10 this morning. He's poison.
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That's probably a national poll and not surprising after the entire GOP piled on Akin. Like rush said, we are a party of circling the firing squad instead of the wagons.
Does anyone actually believe that the poll results would have been the same if the entire GOP circled their wagons and gave him national support?
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It's Missouri likely voters.
What a difference one TV interview can make. Embattled Democratic incumbent Claire McCaskill has now jumped to a 10-point lead over her Republican challenger, Congressman Todd Akin, in Missouri’s U.S. Senate race. Most Missouri Republicans want Akin to quit the race while most Missouri Democrats want him to stay.
The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in the Show Me State finds McCaskill earning 48% support to Akin’s 38%. Nine percent (9%) like some other candidate in the race, and five percent (5%) are undecided.
www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_senate_elections/missouri/election_2012_missouri_senate (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_senate_elections/missouri/election_2012_missouri_senate)
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That's probably a national poll and not surprising after the entire GOP piled on Akin. Like rush said, we are a party of circling the firing squad instead of the wagons.
Does anyone actually believe that the poll results would have been the same if the entire GOP circled their wagons and gave him national support?
I don't believe it.
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It's Missouri likely voters.
Rassmussen is the most reliable pollster out there, bar none.
I suspect those numbers will tighten as republicans realize they are stuck with Akin. But I see no way now for him to oust a sitting senator. Supporting him would be political suicide.
I'm not talking about "shoulda". I'm talking about what is.
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He's not leaving, that is a fact.
His winning is important to us obtaining a senate majority, that is a fact.
If the GOP wants a senate majority they should, at a minimum, STFU and
actually should revise and extend their remarks back around to supporting
him. That is, if, they really want a majority.
;)
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He's not leaving, that is a fact.
His winning is important to us obtaining a senate majority, that is a fact.
If the GOP wants a senate majority they should, at a minimum, STFU and
actually should revise and extend their remarks back around to supporting
him. That is, if, they really want a majority.
;)
...and you know those feckless GOP leaders are perfectly comfortable being back in the minority once more. It's a piss poor mindset to which we cannot rid ourselves no matter what the state of the nation is economically.
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Take solace in the fact that we're already on auto-pilot for economic destruction. That much is coming regardless of who wins what this November.
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He's not leaving, that is a fact.
His winning is important to us obtaining a senate majority, that is a fact.
If the GOP wants a senate majority they should, at a minimum, STFU and
actually should revise and extend their remarks back around to supporting
him. That is, if, they really want a majority.
;)
Exacto Mundo! The ball is in their court. They need to choose what they are going to do with it.
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Explain to me a scenario whereby the GOP supports this guy that doesn't undo all the lie-repair re; the false war on wimmins.
We may not like it, and it certainly is not right or just, but the GOP as a party and conservatism in general are in the position of just having mitigated a smear attack meant to drive a wedge between women and the GOP. The smear was partly successful, and made less so by effective counter-messaging.
Supporting this guy now threatens to undo that counter-messaging, and threatens to take the entire party backwards in the effort.
Tell me how its done.
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Nobody has challenged that he is a devout Christian.
Nobody has challenged that he is acts are consistent with his stated beliefs.
His grievous error was speaking in the vernacular of his congregation instead of the vernacular of a politician, for which he has apologized.
He is the same man he was before he misspoke, a straight shooter who stands his ground. If this is true he is the man we want. He is what we have been asking for and so we're supposed to compromise because the GOP is playing dirty? If we don't stand with him who are we standing with?
See: Mario Rubio.
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Nobody has challenged that he is a devout Christian.
Nobody has challenged that he is acts are consistent with his stated beliefs.
His grievous error was speaking in the vernacular of his congregation instead of the vernacular of a politician, for which he has apologized.
He is the same man he was before he misspoke, a straight shooter who stands his ground. If this is true he is the man we want. He is what we have been asking for and so we're supposed to compromise because the GOP is playing dirty? If we don't stand with him who are we standing with?
See: Mario Rubio.
All this ass did was give credence to the war on women bull.
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The Looking Spoon's (http://thelookingspoon.com/) take on it:
(http://thelookingspoon.com/tlsimages/blog/2012/todd_akin_jeopardy.jpg)
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Fella's, that's all history.
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Explain to me a scenario whereby the GOP supports this guy that doesn't undo all the lie-repair re; the false war on wimmins.
We may not like it, and it certainly is not right or just, but the GOP as a party and conservatism in general are in the position of just having mitigated a smear attack meant to drive a wedge between women and the GOP. The smear was partly successful, and made less so by effective counter-messaging.
Supporting this guy now threatens to undo that counter-messaging, and threatens to take the entire party backwards in the effort.
Tell me how its done.
By moving on. By going on the offensive; no complaining/no explaining.
The DNC has invited radical islam to their convention -- "Jumah at the 2012 DNC" -- a plank of which is support for same-sex "marriage". Wonder how many know this, and how's that gonna work for them.
Romney had the *unmitigated gall* to say Bless his heart (http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/22/tell-the-truth-southerners-is-romney-saying-bless-his-heart-about-obama-a-big-deal/), referring to Obongo's incompetence. "Dog-whistle of coded language for racists" talking points about to begin in 3, 2 ..... because this is what the Left does. What the Left also does is simply walk away from that which they choose to not discuss. 'Bout time we started learning how to do the same.
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Well, what happens between now and the general election is NOT history YET.
So, how can an inept GOP save itself? When Akin's interview came to the surface, the GOP screwed the pooch. Blaming Akin for the GOP's screwed reaction doesn't solve the problem either. The GOP has no credibility in its effort to blame Akin because right there in the middle of their party platform plank is the same beliefs and policies that Akin was advocating. So, by them trying to pile on Akin, is only exposing them for the morons that they are.
So, they should do what the democrats would have done in the first place. Admit that yes, his wording was wrong, but the substance of his answer is in fact what we as a party stand for. And that is, we believe that abortion is wrong, under all circumstances, because we believe that we should never kill the constitutionally protected unborn baby.
Our first reaction was wrong because we got caught up in the emotionally charged wording that Akin used, but in the end, his beliefs and our beliefs, are one and the same, and we are going to throw our full support behind him in his race against Claire whatever her name is.
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We have met the enemy, and his name is Karl Rove! I respect his intellect. I respect his ability to count votes. I respect his ability to choose ads. But, he is NOT a conservative. He is a REPUBLICAN, at best. He and other GOP leaders are the problem here. Look at the small misstep made here and the giant insantiy spoken by Biden, Obama, Stretch, and Dirty Harry, and tell me Akin is truly our enemy? I disagree. Yes, it might be good for the GOP to throw him overboard, but we need to LEARN from our enemies. They NEVER give up a man. Never. Never do they turn on their own, even if they are caught lying under oath, they will 100% vote to protect the criminal....if he is a Democrat. And here we had an honorable man that is being killed by "friendly" fire. He spoke absolute truth..but VERY badly. So what? Biden speaks lies badly, and it appears SOME of "us" are working to see him re-elected. Obama lies BOLDLY, and some of us appear to be helping him attain office yet again. We need to STOP talking about OUR mistakes, and start talking about THEIRS! Tell me the truth, those of you condemning Todd Akin, are you really going to be happier with claire mccaskill? If so, keep up the attacks on Akin. If not, STOP it, move forward, and take the battle to the enemy on OUR terms, not theirs. This is an election about JOBS! Time wasted talking about other issues is time spent electing LIBERALS!
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I stand by my earlier statement.
This guy's tradecraft sucks.
You may agree with his opinion that all life is precious...I do. And yet, it's irrelevant. It does not matter what you (outwardly) believe in a world in which you must get a majority of votes in order to affect change. What matters is getting elected. After that...
I offer the very real and extremely similar comparison of getting a federal judge (including and especially a Supreme Court justice) confirmed. As conservatives we want originalists nominated and confirmed to all levels of the federal bench. Since we have not, in recent history, had a Senate majority that agrees with originalists we must employ stealth and artifice to achieve our ends. This manifests itself in a confirmation hearing where the nominee has little to no paper trail and testifies in as ambiguous a fashion as possible, avoiding traps set by dim-witted senators and their aides. If we do everything right we end up with a conservative judge...an originalist. And it's all because the nominee gets the votes. Without the votes the nominee's principles are useless.
It is no different with the election of a senator. They have to get the votes. Mr. Akin will get our votes. That's a given. We won't be voting for McCaskill because she's a menace. But our votes aren't enough. We need the votes of those in the middle...those who are soft in the head...those who are persuadable. Until last week these idiots had been persuaded to vote against McCaskill. Now they see Akin as the bigger idiot. Can they be persuaded to change their minds again? Some may be but almost certainly not enough for a majority.
Sadly, it's a matter of math and the numbers will not favor Mr. Akin come election day. If George Allen could be taken down with one word (and he was) then there is that much less of a chance that Todd Akin can overcome his poorly chosen sentences.
I don't like it but I cannot ignore the reality of the situation. It is inescapable.
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Look at the small misstep made here and the giant insantiy spoken by Biden, Obama, Stretch, and Dirty Harry, and tell me Akin is truly our enemy? I disagree. Yes, it might be good for the GOP to throw him overboard, but we need to LEARN from our enemies. They NEVER give up a man. Never. Never do they turn on their own, even if they are caught lying under oath, they will 100% vote to protect the criminal....if he is a Democrat.
In a different world you would have a valid point. But we don't live in that world. We live in this one. Republicans play by one set of rules and Democrats play by another. This has been true for decades and it will continue to be true for decades. You cannot wish this reality away.
And here we had an honorable man that is being killed by "friendly" fire. He spoke absolute truth..but VERY badly. So what? Biden speaks lies badly, and it appears SOME of "us" are working to see him re-elected. Obama lies BOLDLY, and some of us appear to be helping him attain office yet again. We need to STOP talking about OUR mistakes, and start talking about THEIRS! Tell me the truth, those of you condemning Todd Akin, are you really going to be happier with claire mccaskill? If so, keep up the attacks on Akin. If not, STOP it, move forward, and take the battle to the enemy on OUR terms, not theirs.
We will never have the media on our side. That is reality. When we win it is in spite of this handicap. And we do win despite this handicap because we are right. But we cannot and do not win every battle. It is extremely unlikely that this is one we will win. At any rate, there will be no taking the battle to the enemy on our terms as long as the media sides with the left. Akin isn't being taken out by us. He knew (or should have known) how the game is played and took himself out by way of gross incompetence.
If Akin wins it will be due to Divine intervention because at this point only God can help him. Akin has certainly not helped himself.
Moving forward is Akin bowing out and allowing someone else to take the fight to the enemy. He mortally wounded himself. I will not be ashamed of withholding support from someone who refused to deal correctly with reality. I am saddened but not ashamed.
This is an election about JOBS! Time wasted talking about other issues is time spent electing LIBERALS!
This is undeniably true. As long as Todd Akin is in this race, though, we will be talking about him and his admittedly indefensible statement. Getting him out of the race denies the left and the media that particular club to beat us with. It gets the topic back to the economy. It allows us to beat the left.
Again, just because I don't like a situation does not mean that I cannot deal with it correctly. The correct play is for Mr. Akin to leave the race so that the subject can be changed and the race can be won. If he does not then the correct play is to ignore him rather than embrace him. That's called damage control. Again, an unfortunate reality but reality nonetheless.
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The ONLY way to "get him out of the race" since he was CHOSEN by the people, is for him to resign. None of us have any impact on that. We can either campaign against the incumbent or against the conservative. I think many are choosing the wrong side here.
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The ONLY way to "get him out of the race" since he was CHOSEN by the people, is for him to resign. None of us have any impact on that. We can either campaign against the incumbent or against the conservative. I think many are choosing the wrong side here.
None of us have any impact in any event since (I do not believe) any of us here are Missouri voters. We can't vote for or against akin. I was considering how anyone would (could) campaign against the incumbent at this point and kept getting images of debbie wasshername doing her "I'm not hearing you" dismissal of everything around her except for her message and I suppose that could work - realizing of course how much we mock her for doing precisely that.
It's unfortunate - he essentially had it in the bag until be blew it. But there is no undoing what he did and what he did was open the armory doors and give his opponents every bit of ammunition they need to see this through to the finish line. There has already been a 20-point negative shift in support and I doubt that there's a thing he can do to repair that. Since he is determined to see this through to the bitter end he would do well to stay out of sight until election day.
ChrstnHsbndFthr - please do not confuse criticism for condemnation. that is not my intent. I still believe him to be a good and honorable man - just not a very shrewd one.
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I can't believe that there are so many people willing to give the GOP a 'pass' on this and keep calling for Todd to step down. IMHO, it is the GOP that needs to make a course change here, not Todd.
This is not the first time the GOP has circled their firing squad and taken out its own.
Don't think that good people will refuse to run for office as a member of the GOP because they see how dangerous it is to be a GOP candidate.
Kinda like getting shot by the afghan policemen after your train them. Would you go to afghan to help train them to become policemen?
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The ONLY way to "get him out of the race" since he was CHOSEN by the people, is for him to resign. None of us have any impact on that. We can either campaign against the incumbent or against the conservative. I think many are choosing the wrong side here.
We can't replace his dumb azz all we can do is a write in campaign but that's on the local repubs.
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The ONLY way to "get him out of the race" since he was CHOSEN by the people, is for him to resign. None of us have any impact on that. We can either campaign against the incumbent or against the conservative. I think many are choosing the wrong side here.
We can't replace his dumb azz all we can do is a write in campaign but that's on the local repubs.
That would be stupid because it would only help Claire to win. They need to support their GOP candidate realizing that he is infinitely better than her.
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The cold, hard facts are that we (editorial we) can't get anything done if we can't get elected and we can't get elected if we resort to terms like "legitimate rape". It's a blunder of epic proportion and there's no getting around it.
Since he insists on staying in we now have before us an experiment to prove out my case. We will see just how effective a campaign strategy "legitimate rape" can be.
At this point it is immaterial what I want, what I hope, or how I feel - I'm just observing. My observation is that he is going down in flames and it isn't due to anything that the pubbies have said or done - it is entirely of akins own construction.
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Perhaps because we have seen a timid GOP backstab conservatives so many times before we assume that it is always a case of self-serving beltway insiders versus valiant conservative statesmen. In some cases it might just be that someone said or did something so dumb that it threatens to tar an entire election season with the same brush.
The facepalms didn't just come from the usual weak sisters -- Boehner, McConnell, Cantor -- but even from people like Mark Levin, Sarah Palin, and Rush Limbaugh. I don't think I have ever seen that sort of unanimity. I don't think you can chalk this one up to a party leadership that's simply afraid of ideology, I think it's simply that a candidate made such an unnecessary error and made a statement that frankly makes people question if he believes in a host of other outlandish fanciful ideas. He has just made it a lot easier for the Democrats to argue that Republicans are anti-intellectual, anti-modern, anti-science. That may not matter to some people, but I think it is an artifact of cloistered thinking to believe it won't matter to a wider electorate. Honestly, and this is just my own opinion, but I think his after the fact stubbornness is going to hurt him more than the original issue. I question his sense of self-awareness if he could not or would not see that his ability to defeat McCaskill was weakened. Maybe in another election year it would be a bit different. But in this election, we really needed every single Republican to be in their absolute best form.
Even Pro Bowl quarterbacks get benched if they throw one too many interceptions, especially in a playoff game.
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I can't believe that there are so many people willing to give the GOP a 'pass' on this and keep calling for Todd to step down. IMHO, it is the GOP that needs to make a course change here, not Todd.
This is not the first time the GOP has circled their firing squad and taken out its own.
Don't think that good people will refuse to run for office as a member of the GOP because they see how dangerous it is to be a GOP candidate.
Kinda like getting shot by the afghan policemen after your train them. Would you go to afghan to help train them to become policemen?
"We" are not giving the GOP a pass, but expecting the GOP to change course is pissing in a hurricane, it just is not going to happen. Glock has been making points similar to mine, debating "should" vs "are" is pointless. I don't think any scenario in MO works to our favor now, I may think a replacement stands the best chance to salvage the seat, but this is impossible to prove if it does not happen. Akin is a nice guy who said something really stupid and the GOP over-reacted to it and wet themselves and as is typical of them they threw him to the wolves, nothing can unscrew this now. The GOP can continue to shun him or they can fully embrace him, won't matter in the election either way because voters have made up their mind already and getting them to change it back is a near impossible task. Mushy moderates will not want to have to suffer ridicule as a price to support this guy, GOPers loyal to the feckless leadership will go write-in, Akin will lose and it won't even be close. If the Senate is missed by one seat the GOP will be at fault, Akin will be at fault and voters will be at fault. There are no winners here, only losers.
Good thing I do not rely on election outcomes to determine my future, I'm making other plans. I think making other plans is good advice for everyone, but that's just my two bits.
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Breaking: Akin to hold press conference this afternoon... (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/245387-akin-to-hold-press-conference-this-afternoon)
Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.) will hold a press conference somewhere in St. Louis County at 5:15 Eastern Standard time, likely to offer details on whether he will continue his bid for Missouri's Senate seat.
The lawmaker faced mounting calls to step down from his seat following statements he made that in the case of "legitimate rape," pregnancy is rare because "the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down." Republicans nationwide disavowed the comments, and GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney joined a growing chorus of Republican leaders to ask him to resign from the nomination.
This as Charlie Cook (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/08/cook-political-calls-missouri-for-mccaskill-declares-akin-unelectable/) moved Akin's status from "unlikely" to "unelectable."
In four days Cook Political has moved the Missouri Senate race from “solid Republican” to “toss up” to “likely Democrat” to “unelectable”.
Cook Political Report has declared Todd Akin “unelectable” and moved the 2012 U.S. senate race in Missouri to a projected Democrat win.
Math: It's what's for breakfast.
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So he could have exited when the window of opportunity was there and saved his own fortunes as well as the fortunes of the party. He chose not to. Now that the window is closed he's thinking about skedaddling and leaving the mess for someone else to clean up?
Dayum!
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I can't believe that there are so many people willing to give the GOP a 'pass' on this and keep calling for Todd to step down. IMHO, it is the GOP that needs to make a course change here, not Todd.
This is not the first time the GOP has circled their firing squad and taken out its own.
This is going to be one of those rare times when I disagree with you.
It's math. That's all there is to it.
Can Akin possibly win? Yes, in a universe where all possible outcomes can happen and yes, we do live in such a universe. That isn't the issue. This issue is: Is Akin likely to win? And the answer is a resounding and unequivocal "no." His chances of winning at this point are infinitesimally tiny. Microscopic. Statistically insignificant. For all intents and purposes, zero.
I play poker. I play it a lot. Specifically, No limit Texas Holdem. There are some situations (albeit infrequent) where it makes mathematical sense to go "all in" with a poor hand. There are other times (very, very frequent) where you toss your cards into the muck and you don't bother playing the hand. This is one of those times. People who make stupid plays are the bread and butter of good card players. We love them. Akin has a losing hand. He isn't going head to head with two indifferent cards against a single opponent where he might win five or ten percent of the time. No...he is playing his crap hand at a table where two or more other players are raising and re-raising (indicating overwhelming strength) and Akin is pushing all of his chips into the middle.
He will lose. It is inarguable. It is a mathematical certainty. The problem is that he is playing with the country's future.
Don't think that good people will refuse to run for office as a member of the GOP because they see how dangerous it is to be a GOP candidate.
Actually, I hope that this will dissuade amateurs (and those with limited talent and intelligence) from attempting to get involved in activities that are well beyond their abilities. Again, as I have said before, I appreciate his principles. He's a good person. What I cannot approve of or sanction is his utter lack of professionalism.
A professional studies his trade and hones his abilities in order to maximize his chances for success in his given field. Some are gifted (few, actually) and seem to be able to just do it with little to no training or experience. Most have to work at it. Hard. Mr. Akin exhibits little evidence of someone who worked at all, let alone hard, to become good at politics. He is politically tone deaf and it is only now, at this level, that his handicap has become glaringly obvious.
There will be consequences for Mr. Akin and probably for the country.
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So he could have exited when the window of opportunity was there and saved his own fortunes as well as the fortunes of the party. He chose not to. Now that the window is closed he's thinking about skedaddling and leaving the mess for someone else to clean up?
Dayum!
Again, the mark of the amateur.
If he leaves the race (and let us hope that he does) at this point there will be consequences for him. You are right...other people will have to clean up his mess. And they will resent it. A lot. Mr. Akin will probably not have a career in politics at any level after this. No one will provide him any support whatsoever and if he attempts to run for anything he will be opposed at every turn.
And it's all his fault.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that, prior to a couple of days ago when he could have withdrawn easily, he was offered incentives to leave. That's the way these things usually work. Step aside now and there will be a payoff in your future. Don't step aside and you will be buried forever.
He chose poorly.
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Akin doubling down. Again. (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/245387-akin-to-hold-press-conference-this-afternoon) His tone deafness knows no bounds.
Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.) announced on Friday that he will remain in the race for Missouri's Senate seat.
"We're going to be here through the November election and we're going to be here to win," he said.
"There's some people having trouble understanding our message," the defiant Akin said before declaring his intention to stay in the race against Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.).
Stupid does not take vacations...it works overtime.
So why did he do this? Well, when you have no money with which to campaign you have to hold "surprise press conferences" and make "unexpected announcements." The problem with that is it only works one time and then the press ignores you thereafter. Way to go, Todd.
Akin scheduled a 4:15 p.m. press conference in the St. Louis suburb of Chesterfield. He also sent donors a new fundraising appeal setting a goal of increasing his online contributions to $212,000 by the end of the day. Akin is battling to unseat Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill in the November election.
"Your recent support gave me the courage I needed to fight on, thank you for standing with me, and supporting my campaign to defeat Claire McCaskill," Akin said in the fundraising message.
Here's a safe bet: Better than half (way, way better) of his contributions since this thing hit are coming from Democrats. I would wager that the McCaskill campaign is sending money in, too. It's sort of a no-brainer. Keep him in the race until it's too late for him to withdraw and then lower the hammer. If the situation were reversed we would be playing it identically. As I said, a no-brainer...which apparently describes Mr. Akin, too.
There are a lot of people who believe (mistakenly) that Mr. Akin has been bought off and made his infamous statement on purpose to sink his own campaign. They think that there is just no way that anyone could be so stupid and insensitive...that he must be in the pay of the libs. This is ridiculous and panders to the "conspiracy under your bed" mentality. No. Akin is just plain dumb and arrogant.
EDIT: Ace (http://minx.cc/?post=332223) critiques the presser...
It was a 30 second press conference, in which Todd Akin shifted his campaign to talking about economics/regulation/big government.
So, it turns out he's not going to be the guy standing on principle making his case on No-Exceptions after all.
So, after all this talk of principle, he's now shifting gears to just try to win.
And we should stick with him, even though he's radioactive, because... he's going to be avoiding the topic that got him into trouble.
Which is what a "RINO" would do. But let's stick with him, even though he won't in fact be making the case America Needs to Hear, because... he's just so special or something.
Gutless.
Punk.
Remember this is his FIRST presser since the sh*t hit the fan and he says absolutely nothing about what made him a national news item. Yeah, that's pretty gutsy. This will be a flame out to be remembered.
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Yeah, I like the poker analogy, Akin is "drawing dead", doesn't matter what the comes up on the board, he's toast. It all started with him, the GOP made it worse, and now we are left with a dead fish rotting on the floor and no prospects of it going anywhere. The Dem's have to be pinching themselves in delerious delight in flipping this state through no action of thier own, but alas the GOP is exceptionally gifted at giving non-returnable gifts to the opposition, and the result is a bigger POS cruising to victory and the balance of power in the Senate is tougher because now two pick ups have to be sought to offset this loss. Like I said earlier, no winners here, just a passel of losers, not the least of which is the nation.
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I can't tell you how furious I am going to be if this proves to be the one obstacle we couldn't surmount in repealing Obamacare. I just honestly cannot believe the delusions of grandeur this guy has.
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I can't tell you how furious I am going to be if this proves to be the one obstacle we couldn't surmount in repealing Obamacare. I just honestly cannot believe the delusions of grandeur this guy has.
This is what happens when you start to believe your own press.
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This, also, is what too often happens, win or lose,
when the GOP and Karl Rove pick the candidate.
Weak Sisters Seal of Approval
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Yup, we lose the Senate we got zero chance of repealing ObamaCare, the only other option I see is if Romney gets in and suddenly grows the largest set of cajones on the planet and refuses to sign anything coming out of Congress untill ObamaCare repeal first hits his desk, if the government is completely shut down for 4 years I would hail that as an accomplishment, and no funding for anything means no funding for ObamaCare, no funding for things I like too (national defense) but so what, zero government is still a winner to me! Eff the Left, defeat them or join them, there is no middle ground except in the mind of a fool.
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The first we'd see is the Dems on national tv warning seniors their checks will not be coming thanks to those evil Republicans.
I've got to wonder, however, how many of the Dems have parents collecting Social Security checks
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Oh yeah, followed by the wymens and chirren being starved on the streets and left without education, clothes, medicine, books, laptops, contraception and everything else under the sun...it will be the end of the world!
Whatever.
I'd like to see stones like that, doubt I get to though...gnat pimples all we ever see in DC...all they know how to do is bloat government, spend like drunken dictators and rack up debt and misery from here to hereafter...
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This, also, is what too often happens, win or lose,
when the GOP and Karl Rove pick the candidate.
Weak Sisters Seal of Approval
Yeah...It's time to quit picking the scab and understand what caused the scab.
One of the reasons why I'm glad the guy didn't quit. He was chosen and the first alarm should have been the dems liked the choice...so much they funded him. He says something admittedly stupid and those funding him pounce. Of course, our party, sitting on a full house, blows it and reveals our hand. The guy becomes scarred. He could have survived if the pubbies would have just watched the hand unfold, but no, we can't misspeak. It is against house rules of liberal belief. We must show our cards...early.
But understanding we are sitting on a full house, he won't quit....LOL. I can just imagine the conversations. Now, we still hold a full house to the dems weak pair....but we folded. Sad thing is, we folded before we saw the last card....sitting on a full house.
And this guy is to blame. Sorry, I don't see it that way. When you choose a candidate, stick with him, even if it gets a little dicey. He misspoke, he didn't cheat on his taxes, he didn't kill anyone and from what Ive read on the guy, is a conservative. The liberals play thier hand the same way for decades.....and we can't make a good read. We get beat every damn hand.
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Another kicker is, even if he bows out, it will not be a choice between
the other two candidates it will go into some form of convolution con-
trolled by the GOP and Karl Rove, according to the radio.
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Another kicker is, even if he bows out, it will not be a choice between
the other two candidates it will go into some form of convolution con-
trolled by the GOP and Karl Rove, according to the radio.
::outrage::
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Its all moot, Akin is all-in and control of the Senate is in doubt and once again we are screwed and nobody will be held accountable and time is running extremely short...we all lose no matter what.
We should have more faith in ourselves than in others and plan accordingly.
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Conservatives everywhere were playing close attention to the political biosphere planning for the time when we could wrangle away the reigns of of the horses heading off the cliff all the while Republicans like Rove and his ilk were playing footsie with the DemonRats behind the curtain. I now hate the Whig er Republican party.
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Perhaps Huckaboob's role in encouraging Akin to stay in the race is just another grenade tossed in Romney's general direction, a la his staying in the 2008 primary long enough to give McCain the edge over Romney.
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Perhaps Huckaboob's role in encouraging Akin to stay in the race is just another grenade tossed in Romney's general direction, a la his staying in the 2008 primary long enough to give McCain the edge over Romney.
A suspicion I happen to share,but the question is why.
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I suspect that Huckabee is actually pro-life.
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True, but he's pro other things that make my skin crawl. But the point being he supports Akin I think not so much against Romney, he wants Romney to win if for no other reason than to get the POSOTUS out. I'd like to hear Huck explain in detail what Akin can do to win, I have yet to hear that. Getting the GOP to change tune is not going to happen, so what can he do? Has the Tea Party disavowed him too, what are MO Tea Party operatives saying?
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The following statements are my opinions and theories:
Huckabee does not like Romney for one reason and one reason only. Mormonism. Huckabee is a conservative Christian and sees mormonism (correctly, I might add) as heresy. Huckabee does not trust a mormon as the leader of this country. Huckabee believes that a Romney administration will be packed with other mormons and sees this as a big problem. Huckabee torpedoed Romney's 2008 primary run for this reason and this reason alone. Nothing else explains his behavior in 2008.
That said, I do not believe that Huckabee is supporting Akin for the purpose of yet again torpedoing Romney. I think that Huckabee saw himself (correctly) as largely unable to prevent Romney from gaining the nomination this time around and has therefore dropped his opposition. I think Huckabee's support of Akin is rooted in his Christian faith, his pro-life principles and Huckabee's self identification as some kind of a power broker for conservative Christian voters and it is nothing more complicated than that.
Here is a quote from the Huckabee wikipedia page:
Huckabee has stated, "Politics are totally directed by worldview. That's why when people say, 'We ought to separate politics from religion,' I say to separate the two is absolutely impossible".
You may, of course, draw your own conclusions. These are mine.
EDIT:
Politico has an in-depth report about the conference call Friday afternoon between former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and "hundreds of Southern Baptists" in which he invoked Old Testament imagery to explain the task facing Republican U.S. Rep. Todd Akin and his supporters.
In the call, he railed against the pressure being brought to bear on Akin to quit Missouri's U.S. Senate race and compared Republican establishment to "union goons" in their treatment of vendors and consultants. Huckabee said he was personally pressured after his decision to support Akin and his decision to stay in the race against Democratic incumbent U.S. Sen. Claire McCaskill.
The issue was portrayed as a test of faith when Huckabee said this, Politico reported:
"'This could be a Mount Carmel moment,' said the former Arkansas governor, referring to the holy battle between Elijah and the prophets of Baal in the book of Kings. 'You know, you bring your gods. We’ll bring ours. We’ll see whose God answers the prayers and brings fire from heaven. That’s kind of where I’m praying: that there will be fire from heaven, and we’ll see it clearly, and everyone else will to.'"
LINK (http://www.columbiatribune.com/weblogs/between-party-lines/2012/aug/26/huckabee-uses-imagery-of-holy-war-to-defend-akin-i/)
May God prove him correct. But...God has also taken down other prominent people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scandals_involving_evangelical_Christians#Jimmy_Swaggart.2C_Marvin_Gorman.2C_Jim_and_Tammy_Bakker.2C_1986_and_1991) who use His name to demagogue and promote their own agendas.
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Happy, happy, joy, joy...America's favorite lovable and semi-talented amateur whore has just weighed in (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/08/26/cher-karma-akin-raped-hiv) on the whole Todd Akin thing...
Rocker Ringo Starr is all about "peace and love."
Cher, by stark comparison, lives to Tweet hateful messages to her social media minions.
The singer's latest Twitter assault targets Rep. Todd Akin, the embattled Republican behind the dense and dumb "Legitimate Rape" sound bite.
Cher isn't alone in bashing Akin for his comments. Conservatives have been blasting him along with the Left. What sets Cher apart is the vitriol she uses in doing so.
"Kama train 4 himRT@Fuppapeh let Aiken get raped by man with HIV/AIDS. Nothing will happen, right? Body shuts down as defense mechanism Idiots"
Yeah, yeah, yeah and let Cher get gang raped by several grizzly bears. If you could find a way to force the bears to do it. What a cheap slut.
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I think I'm on the same page as you regarding the Huckster.
Holy War...yeah , that'll go over well. ::)
As far as Cher goes...I thought she was dead...or cryogenically frozen...same diff...
I'd tell her to kiss my ass but I'm affraid of where those lips have been...
::puke::
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She is a stupid half breed.
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She seems to be of the "open mouth and remove all doubt" school of fools and is compelled to allow this to happen as frequently as possible. I mean, there are some lib fools who subscribe to the broken clock principle and occasionally get something right by accident.
Not Cher.
If there is anyway to be on the wrong side of any issue and look incredibly stupid doing it you will usually find Cher leading the charge at the top of her lungs. She is a moron of uncommon talent. Most people find a way to become less foolish as they age but Cher is the exception that proves the rule. Her stupidity seems to drive everyone away from her...she can't have any kind of a relationship last for more than a few short years...she seems to have even driven her daughter crazy. No, there is a certain kind of stupid here that seems to have a life of its own. She should be put in a cage and studied.
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She seems to be of the "open mouth and remove all doubt" school of fools and is compelled to allow this to happen as frequently as possible. I mean, there are some lib fools who subscribe to the broken clock principle and occasionally get something right by accident.
Not Cher.
If there is anyway to be on the wrong side of any issue and look incredibly stupid doing it you will usually find Cher leading the charge at the top of her lungs. She is a moron of uncommon talent. Most people find a way to become less foolish as they age but Cher is the exception that proves the rule. Her stupidity seems to drive everyone away from her...she can't have any kind of a relationship last for more than a few short years...she seems to have even driven her daughter crazy. No, there is a certain kind of stupid here that seems to have a life of its own. She should be put in a cage and studied tossed into the nearest river.
FIFY? ;D
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She seems to be of the "open mouth and remove all doubt" school of fools and is compelled to allow this to happen as frequently as possible. I mean, there are some lib fools who subscribe to the broken clock principle and occasionally get something right by accident.
Not Cher.
If there is anyway to be on the wrong side of any issue and look incredibly stupid doing it you will usually find Cher leading the charge at the top of her lungs. She is a moron of uncommon talent. Most people find a way to become less foolish as they age but Cher is the exception that proves the rule. Her stupidity seems to drive everyone away from her...she can't have any kind of a relationship last for more than a few short years...she seems to have even driven her daughter crazy. No, there is a certain kind of stupid here that seems to have a life of its own. She should be put in a cage and studied.
I don't remember why or the venue, but Cher called a local talk show once, defending a womans right to choose. I remember the local guy at the time ( Phil Valentine) chewed her up pretty good. I'll see if I can find the clip, but if my memory is correct he simply asked her if she supports a womans right to choose what she does wiith her body...and Cher said yes.....So he asked Cher if she supported prostitution also. Best I can remember it went downhill for Cher.
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TPOS, KARL ROVE, PREDICTS HISTORIC LOSS FOR TODD AKIN... (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/80193.html)
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TPOS, KARL ROVE, PREDICTS HISTORIC LOSS FOR TODD AKIN... (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/80193.html)
I forgot, why is it that the Reublican party thinks that it is to their advantage to keep piling on Todd? This is what they did to Christine O'Donnell.
I really don't know why I vote with the republican party anymore. I give them an F- for their performance in this important election year.
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TPOS, KARL ROVE, PREDICTS HISTORIC LOSS FOR TODD AKIN... (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/80193.html)
I forgot, why is it that the Reublican party thinks that it is to their advantage to keep piling on Todd? This is what they did to Christine O'Donnell.
I really don't know why I vote with the republican party anymore. I give them an F- for their performance in this important election year.
tell me...And then rove hides behind the " hey, I'm a commentator now" bullspit to cover his butt.
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TPOS, KARL ROVE, PREDICTS HISTORIC LOSS FOR TODD AKIN... (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/80193.html)
I forgot, why is it that the Reublican party thinks that it is to their advantage to keep piling on Todd? This is what they did to Christine O'Donnell.
I really don't know why I vote with the republican party anymore. I give them an F- for their performance in this important election year.
tell me...And then rove hides behind the " hey, I'm a commentator now" bullspit to cover his butt.
I look forward to the day that I don't have to hear his name again.(Rove)
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She seems to be of the "open mouth and remove all doubt" school of fools and is compelled to allow this to happen as frequently as possible. I mean, there are some lib fools who subscribe to the broken clock principle and occasionally get something right by accident.
Not Cher.
If there is anyway to be on the wrong side of any issue and look incredibly stupid doing it you will usually find Cher leading the charge at the top of her lungs. She is a moron of uncommon talent. Most people find a way to become less foolish as they age but Cher is the exception that proves the rule. Her stupidity seems to drive everyone away from her...she can't have any kind of a relationship last for more than a few short years...she seems to have even driven her daughter crazy. No, there is a certain kind of stupid here that seems to have a life of its own. She should be put in a cage and studied.
I don't remember why or the venue, but Cher called a local talk show once, defending a womans right to choose. I remember the local guy at the time ( Phil Valentine) chewed her up pretty good. I'll see if I can find the clip, but if my memory is correct he simply asked her if she supports a womans right to choose what she does wiith her body...and Cher said yes.....So he asked Cher if she supported prostitution also. Best I can remember it went downhill for Cher.
I remember that too, I thought there was either a clip or a transcript of that exchange, can't recall which. I'm leaning toward the transcript as I think it also made many e-mail chains.
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TPOS, KARL ROVE, PREDICTS HISTORIC LOSS FOR TODD AKIN... (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/80193.html)
I forgot, why is it that the Reublican party thinks that it is to their advantage to keep piling on Todd? This is what they did to Christine O'Donnell.
I really don't know why I vote with the republican party anymore. I give them an F- for their performance in this important election year.
tell me...And then rove hides behind the " hey, I'm a commentator now" bullspit to cover his butt.
I look forward to the day that I don't have to hear his name again.(Rove)
This is the ilk running the GOP, they are who we know they are. And it is why I can get so down on politics and peaceful resolutions to our problems, everything people are doing is counter to peaceful resolution, it's all a big game of screw the other guy, and the people doing it think they will not suffer any consequences for it. They may be right in the short term, but in the long term they are slitting their own throats and I am as indifferent to their fate as they are to us now.
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More foul gas from the fetid liberal swamps that pass for democrat leftist centers of intelligence and journalistic integrity!
"Last week, the country convulsed with outrage over Missouri Republican Rep. Todd Akin’s false suggestion that women who are raped have a special bodily defense mechanism against getting pregnant. Akin’s claim stood out due to its highly offensive nature, but it's reminiscent of any number of other parallel cases in which conservative Christians have cited dubious “facts” to help rationalize their moral convictions."
http://www.salon.com/2012/08/27/study_right_twists_facts/ (http://www.salon.com/2012/08/27/study_right_twists_facts/)
More of the conservatives and Christians are insane women-loathing bigots and Neanderthals meme...
See, we're all like Akin, therefore all should be frightened out of their wits of the coming Christian extremists!
Yeah, but leftist extremists with their abortion on demand anytime all the time and the Muslim 6th century women butcherers and rapists they love appeasing are oh so much less scary! So vote for us, not them.
Well, you knew the Akin hammer was coming, and here it is. Time for EGOP to bend over backwards saying we are not like Akin and Akin supporters saying it was all blown out of context and the EGOP threw us under the bus so our message isn't being heard. Nothing can stop the internecine warfare now. Both parties should say the lefts characterization is ridiculous, but that won't happen. Hotheads on both sides will have at each other and the left wins this sidebar circus by default. This story isn't going to go away, no way the left will let go of this bone, no way in hell. What else they got to talk about? We gave them the bait and what, we'll piss and moan because they use it?
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Wonder what the ratio of Christians vs hedonists is in Mo?
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Hopefully it is the same as the ratio between the number of man-made vs natural lakes in the state (which is a lot to zero IIRC)!