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Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: trapeze on October 03, 2012, 07:39:32 PM
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Okay, here is the debate thread. I will be watching. I don't think that I am going to be posting too frequently, though. It's too much work and I'm tired. So I'm going to try and just do mostly general impressions maybe every twenty minutes or so.
Everyone else is free to do whatever they want, of course.
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I just don't think I can watch the SCoaMF and then also have to suffer through missed opportunites by Mitt sail by. I doubt Mitt will go for the jugular, he's being coached by the usual RINO/E-GOP/Ruling Class Rovian clowns...he'll be coached to look, act & sound Presidential...
::puke::
If the SCoaMF keels over live on TV let us know here, that I wouldn't want to miss.
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Romney is really hitting BO hard out of the gate here. A laundry list of fail.
He is also not allowing Jim Leher and BO to frame the debate.
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I'm DVRing the debate. I'm gonna watch the post game talks and then settle in and watch.
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It seems that every live stream is overloaded - can't get in. So I'll catch the highlights (and whatever Øbozo had to say) after the fact.
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Leher has mostly lost control of the debate. Advantage: Romney.
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Romney: I will judge all spending on whether or not it is worth borrowing from China.
This is a killer point.
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Romney is schooling BO on taxing and spending.
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Romney is schooling BO on taxing and spending.
Amen to that!!
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Leher is now coaching the Dauphin.
Romney is not letting the Dauphin lie. He gitin that look tue.
Advantage Romney.
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Leher is now coaching the Dauphin.
Romney is not letting the Dauphin lie. He gitin that look tue.
Advantage Romney.
How many times can bambi repeat a lie and get correct him over and over. All he's got is lies.
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You don't know what you're talking about!!!!!!!!! ::danceban::
Priceless!!! ::hysterical::
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"I have no idea what you're talking about"
Mitt Romney to .0
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Judging from the look on his face, his majesty is getting PO'd.
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The stuttering. It's so frickin' annoying.
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Romney is kicking his ass on finance because he knows the subject. BO just sounds dim.
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Now they're give him free speech time.
Full frontal camera. And now rude to
his coach Leher.
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Obama is getting an education in what it's about!!
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We're a nation who believes we're of the same God.
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Holy cow...another Romney laundry list of BO fail.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-03/obama-contract-slides-intrade (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-03/obama-contract-slides-intrade)
The first debate is still in progress, but the habitual gamblers... have already spoken via their favorite venue InTrade, and the initial reaction is not favorable for the incumbent. Having traded over 70 for nearly two weeks, the "Obama for president" contract flash crashed below 70 promptl
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Now Romney is driving the final nails in Obamas coffin.
That's all she wrote.
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Well...that was a stutterfest if ever there was.
I have been reading comments over at PuffHo and they are NOT happy.
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::snoopydance::
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Mitt and Ann are going out to Baskin Robbins tonight.
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Mitt and Ann are going out to Baskin Robbins tonight.
It sounds like he earned it.
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Well...that was a stutterfest if ever there was.
I have been reading comments over at PuffHo and they are NOT happy.
That makes me happy.
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Joe Trippi is giving Romney kudos. Reluctantly. Painfully.
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I thought Mitt did well. But damn, Obama is an excellent, excellent liar. He sounds like he believes his bullsh*t himself.
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::snoopydance::
::danceban:: ::bustamove:: ::whoohoo:: ::cool:: ::vafancoul:: ::victory:: ::clapping:: ::beavisbutthead::
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Some in my family watched tonight.
I just didn't have it in me.....
I knew I'd get a good accessment at IAL ;D
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The MSNBC roundtable is comedy gold.
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The MSNBC roundtable is comedy gold.
O'Donnell, meathead Schultz, my homosexual cousin Joe (Maddow) and Tawany Brawly Sharpton can only call Romney a liar. Matthews looks like he started pounding shots of bourbon halfway through.
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And the no-name nerd in glasses basically just said that "liberals" and "the American people" are two disparate groups of people.
"Liberals" want Obama to go for the jugular, but "The American people" appreciate Obama's likability, therefore he didn't go for it.
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MSNBC: BO could have put this away tonight...Romney was on the ropes.
Really? When the polls are statistically tied with BO below 50%? Romney was in trouble?
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Now MSNBC is morphing from Obama being a big fat pussy to having a "dignified reserve".
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This is priceless:
Re: Debate Thread? - Rayra I hope you're doing color commentary!
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Even Bill Maher is tweeting the Obama FAIL
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Obama made a lot of great points tonight. Unfortunately, most of them were for Romney
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i can't believe i'm saying this, but Obama looks like he DOES need a teleprompter
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For Obama:
From the final part of the academic decathlon in the movie Billy Madison.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Billy Madison - Ultimate Insult (Academic Decathlon) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0#ws)
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Even though I did not watch I could not escape it, my sister kept texting me highlights, sounds like BO got PO'd, looked like a jackass and got his fanny waxed. Yeah, that's alright, he has the MFM to blow smoke up skirts.
Wonder what the real polls will say.
Tomorrow will be for parsing the boilerplate bilge written weeks ago. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts they accuse Mitt of being a lying racist bully.
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This is what Romney did tonight...... ::asskicking::
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Romney won the debate, hands down. I don’t agree with all that Romney said, but he was in control, moved easily through the issues, scored a number of points, and was unruffled throughout.
Obama was predictable, became increasingly irritated, and by the end of the debate looked tired and defeated. – Mark Levin (http://riehlworldview.com/2012/10/mark-levin-on-tonights-debate.html)
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The Luntz focus group was interesting. Well, actually I can't say that. It was, for me, unsurprising.
Half of them had voted for BO last time. Almost none of the ones who said they voted for BO said that they would vote for him again.
I don't find this surprising.
I have said all along that a LOT of people are looking for ANY reason at all to vote for Romney or against BO.
This election is a referendum. And it's a choice.
No one wants four more years of this sh*t. No one except a very small percentage of brainwashed idiots who are thrilled with their ObamaPhones. No one except the public employee union stooges.
That's the referendum.
The choice is between a competent business manager and a bumbling fool who is the ultimate beneficiary of affirmative action.
The undecided voters (a significant portion of whom were probably watching this event) were looking for ANY excuse whatsoever to vote for Romney and against BO. Tonight they got it.
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Body language: BO looking down. Looked like he was being taken to task. Scolded. Upset at being schooled.
They can spin it and they will but the subconscious mind locks in these things and stubbornly refuses to let them go.
Plus four years of fail.
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I AM looking forward to the MSNBC post debate clips on youtube. I totally missed Chris Matthews initial meltdown.
Should be very, very satisfying.
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I could not watch it either. I was afraid my BP would spike so high I'd have a nose bleed. But I kept getting text messages about Romney schooling the Boy King, so maybe I will watch it now.
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I could not watch it either. I was afraid my BP would spike so high I'd have a nose bleed. But I kept getting text messages about Romney schooling the Boy King, so maybe I will watch it now.
Lehrer was the best of those chosen as moderators. Next time will be tougher.
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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-chris-matthews-epic-meltdown-over-obama-performance-what-was-he-doing-tonight/ (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-chris-matthews-epic-meltdown-over-obama-performance-what-was-he-doing-tonight/)
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Barber Romney showed up tonight.
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and on youtube...
Chris Matthews MSNBC Meltdown after Presidential Debate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wgJoepQmS4#ws)
slightly longer version...
Chris Matthews' Epic Meltdown Over Obama Debate Performance: 'What Was He Doing Tonight?' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUGrFHyXjFo#ws)
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Great, my computer finds Mediaite difficult to digest.
10.31 pm. Look: you know how much I love the guy, and you know how much of a high information viewer I am, and I can see the logic of some of Obama's meandering, weak, professorial arguments. But this was a disaster for the president for the key people he needs to reach, and his effete, wonkish lectures may have jolted a lot of independents into giving Romney a second look.
_ _ Andrew Sullivan
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Remember that everyone was pushing the notion that BO is a weak debater and Romney was a debate wizard so that means that BO actually won just by having the guts to show up.
Who knew?
This will be an argument made tomorrow morning. Have no doubt.
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Oh for sure. They've spent the past week lowering expectations for BO and raising them for Romney. But from the way it sounds, that isn't going to be enough to change the perception that Romney actually won and BO actually lost.
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David Axelrod, Obama campaign senior adviser, weighs in on the 1st debate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhvPX58wsxU#ws)
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Another thought: John Kerry will take the fall for this performance. It's the pattern. It will repeat because it has to. It cannot be BO's fault. Nothing ever is.
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Yeah I would even expect some snarky comments about it being a bad idea to take debate coaching from a failed candidate.
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Or, in this case, a corpse.
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Kos tries (and fails) to put a brave face (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/03/1139588/-A-loss-but-not-a-game-changing-one) on the situation.
If debate victories led to electoral victories, we never would've had President George W. Bush. And we would've had a President Hillary Clinton. There was no gaffe that Republicans and the media can point to, no defining "moment" that will recast the race. What happened is that Romney looked livelier and more aggressive while Obama looked listless and disconnected. It certainly created a bad night for our side, but nothing lasting.
Comments there are pathetic and funny: "Well, Reagan lost to Mondale in the first debate..."
The Politico has a wrap up (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82000.html) of very, very upset leftists.
Carville: (http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/04/carville-mitt-romney-came-with-a-chainsaw/) "Mitt Romney came with a chainsaw."
Sucks when your man crush gets crushed:
Look: you know how much I love the guy, and you know how much of a high information viewer I am, and I can see the logic of some of Obama's meandering, weak, professorial arguments. But this was a disaster for the president for the key people he needs to reach, and his effete, wonkish lectures may have jolted a lot of independents into giving Romney a second look.
Obama looked tired, even bored; he kept looking down; he had no crisp statements of passion or argument; he wasn't there. He was entirely defensive, which may have been the strategy. But it was the wrong strategy. At the wrong moment.
The person with authority on that stage was Romney - offered it by one of the lamest moderators ever, and seized with relish. This was Romney the salesman. And my gut tells me he sold a few voters on a change tonight. It's beyond depressing. But it's true.
There are two more debates left. I have experienced many times the feeling that Obama just isn't in it, that he's on the ropes and not fighting back, and then he pulls it out. He got a little better over time tonight. But he pulled every punch. Maybe the next two will undo some of the damage. But I have to say I think it was extensive.
LINK (http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/10/live-blogging-the-first-presidential-debate-2012.html)
Not very happy out there in liberal land tonight. No they are not.
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LINK (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/03/krauthammer_romney_won_big_he_won_by_two_touchdowns.html)
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: I thought Romney won and Romney won big, he won by two touchdowns. You know, when a challenger just steps up on the stage that already gives him stature. But when he performs the way Romney did, I think it really changes things. It doesn't change the game, but it changes the momentum.
The Romney campaign has had a terrible month, to the extent that people are saying, 'You know, who is this guy? He seems like a sap.' All of the sudden this Romney shows up and he is knowledgable, he is confident and he's got nerve. He never backed down on any of the Obama attacks. In fact, every time Obama got hurled a particular item, he came back with a three-point answer, not a one-point answer, but a three.
So I think he just didn't hold his own, he showed himself to be the equal of the President. And in fact, if you counted it on points, the way you would of a fight, you'd say he won by far the majority of the rounds. And I think for him [what] that does is give him stature that he doesn't have and it changes the narrative of the campaign that is so clueless, going nowhere, making mistake after mistake to one in which people stop and say, 'Is that the guy?' and this is the first time they are actually seeing him unfiltered. That's not the guy that we thought we saw and we heard about and we read about, he's different from that.
And with Obama, I thought he had a very weak night. It looked as if he were sitting on the lead. I can guarantee you that if he'd been behind in the polls, he would have hammered at the 47%, the video that really damaged Romney. It didn't come up at all and that's somebody who thinks all you have to do is get up, play out the 90 minutes, hold the ball and win. But he didn't, he lost. But again, it's not going to change the election, but I think it does stop the Romney slide.
It's not just that it energizes his base, I think what's important here is that people who have heard millions of dollars worth of ads about Romney, that he's the Gordon Gekko of our time, that he wants to inflict the pain on the middle class, look at this guy and say, 'He's got no horns. He's a guy that has ideas, some of them perhaps are wrong. But he's got some concern for the country, he's got ideas and he knows his stuff.' So I think it helps to wipe away a lot of that advantage that Obama's had from this huge amount of advertisement that you've seen in the swing states and I think that we might begin to see some slight narrowing. Perhaps a point or two, but that's all you need to change the direction of an election with a month to go.
I like my analysis better.
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The veep debate is next week (October 11) and the topics covered will be both foreign and domestic policy.
The same topics will be covered on October 16 at the next face off between Romney and BO.
The final debate, October 22nd, will be foreign policy only.
I don't see how this gets better for BO.
Unless he starts another war or something as a distraction.
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Think America finally realized the Boy-Emperor has no clothes?
Bottom line: Liberalism is a failed ideology that must be supported by lies and distortions. IT's always just a matter of time before this is realized.
Disclosure: Did not, could not watch debate. But I guaran-damn-tee ya one thing: I'm watching every blessed minute of the Paul Ryan/Uncle SloJoe debate. I'm thinking it will be a two bottle two buck Chuck nite!
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And the no-name nerd in glasses basically just said that "liberals" and "the American people" are two disparate groups of people.
"Liberals" want Obama to go for the jugular, but "The American people" appreciate Obama's likability, therefore he didn't go for it.
They're gonna have to point it out to the clueless twit via diagram. He may be the smartest in the room if a rat isn't in there with him but tonight he looked like the idiot we thought knew he was.
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Body language: BO looking down. Looked like he was being taken to task. Scolded. Upset at being schooled.
They can spin it and they will but the subconscious mind locks in these things and stubbornly refuses to let them go.
Plus four years of fail.
Speaking of schooled, this might be the first time he actually attended schooling and in public view. ::hysterical::
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Kos tries (and fails) to put a brave face (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/03/1139588/-A-loss-but-not-a-game-changing-one) on the situation.
If debate victories led to electoral victories, we never would've had President George W. Bush. And we would've had a President Hillary Clinton. There was no gaffe that Republicans and the media can point to, no defining "moment" that will recast the race. What happened is that Romney looked livelier and more aggressive while Obama looked listless and disconnected. It certainly created a bad night for our side, but nothing lasting.
Maybe I'm an Eeyore, but I tend to think Kos' analysis is something that shouldn't be discounted. (Can't believe I'm saying that).
Particularly with the reality of the media cheerleaders spinning this away. I just don't know if defeating Obama in a debate (one of three) is going to result in a Romney victory.
One good thing I think is that Obama is now in a box. He has to get "passionate" at the next debate, or risk being hammered again from the Left. For him, passionate is angry, and he does not do angry well.
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"Carville: "Mitt Romney came with a chainsaw."
Obama showed up with note from his dead mother "Please excuse Barry from this horrible debate performance."
Sincerely,
Ann Dunham.
::hysterical::
Proof of the empty suit. Surprised though, nobody commented on his suit of clothing. Surely with modern day commentators they could have given him kudos for his clothing choice and called it a victory in that sense.
Hopefully, the next debate, Romney will bring out the "There you go again, using twisted made up facts"
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Kos tries (and fails) to put a brave face (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/03/1139588/-A-loss-but-not-a-game-changing-one) on the situation.
If debate victories led to electoral victories, we never would've had President George W. Bush. And we would've had a President Hillary Clinton. There was no gaffe that Republicans and the media can point to, no defining "moment" that will recast the race. What happened is that Romney looked livelier and more aggressive while Obama looked listless and disconnected. It certainly created a bad night for our side, but nothing lasting.
Maybe I'm an Eeyore, but I tend to think Kos' analysis is something that shouldn't be discounted. (Can't believe I'm saying that).
Particularly with the reality of the media cheerleaders spinning this away. I just don't know if defeating Obama in a debate (one of three) is going to result in a Romney victory.
One good thing I think is that Obama is now in a box. He has to get "passionate" at the next debate, or risk being hammered again from the Left. For him, passionate is angry, and he does not do angry well.
Most certainly, he does not. I'm surprised they didn't spin it that Lehrer was at fault. This was as close to a Douglass v. Lincoln debate venue as we're going to get. Will they change it back to a Q&A style so Zero can have an edge?
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Heard all the libiot sour grapes and blaming on the way into the office this morning...the Cwissy Maffeews clips are hilarious (at the begininning, then they get downright pathetic), libiots blaming Kerry for being a poor prep choice, libiots wondering what the heck Obama was doing, libiots upset that Lerher let it get out of control, libiots saying Obama got chainsawed, libiots saying no big deal-no major gaffes he can bounce back...blah, blah, blah...the headless chicken sightings are non-stop and it is hilarious.
I think Palin is right...when leftists start getting their asses kicked, they freak out and pull all sorts of nasty things out of their black bag of tricks...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/03/palin_warns_obama_camp_will_not_go_down_without_swinging_will_pull_something.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/03/palin_warns_obama_camp_will_not_go_down_without_swinging_will_pull_something.html)
Expect more than one October surprise, expect rank push-polling and libiot over-sampling like you've never witnessed before, expect libiot big shots in Hollyweird to go apebuts, look for voter fraud and intimidation the likes of which has never been seen before.
If the Romney camp has any sense at all it will go on full alert from this point forward and adopt a take no prisoners approach to every aspect of the campaign.
The time to cut the head off the snake as arrived, and he better not blow it.
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I could not watch it either. I was afraid my BP would spike so high I'd have a nose bleed. But I kept getting text messages about Romney schooling the Boy King, so maybe I will watch it now.
Lehrer was the best of those chosen as moderators. Next time will be tougher.
Yea, I got home in time to catch the last 30 minutes. Told the wife mr Lehrer should be getting a call from the IRS any time now.
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Think America finally realized the Boy-Emperor has no clothes?
Bottom line: Liberalism is a failed ideology that must be supported by lies and distortions. IT's always just a matter of time before this is realized.
Disclosure: Did not, could not watch debate. But I guaran-damn-tee ya one thing: I'm watching every blessed minute of the Paul Ryan/Uncle SloJoe debate. I'm thinking it will be a two bottle two buck Chuck nite!
I believe a baseball analogy is appropriate: your starter is getting knocked around and a call to the bullpen is placed. "get Biden warm, he is going in".......and the crowd close to the pen begin to moan......not biden, he can't get anyone out.
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Kos tries (and fails) to put a brave face (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/03/1139588/-A-loss-but-not-a-game-changing-one) on the situation.
If debate victories led to electoral victories, we never would've had President George W. Bush. And we would've had a President Hillary Clinton. There was no gaffe that Republicans and the media can point to, no defining "moment" that will recast the race. What happened is that Romney looked livelier and more aggressive while Obama looked listless and disconnected. It certainly created a bad night for our side, but nothing lasting.
Maybe I'm an Eeyore, but I tend to think Kos' analysis is something that shouldn't be discounted. (Can't believe I'm saying that).
Particularly with the reality of the media cheerleaders spinning this away. I just don't know if defeating Obama in a debate (one of three) is going to result in a Romney victory.
One good thing I think is that Obama is now in a box. He has to get "passionate" at the next debate, or risk being hammered again from the Left. For him, passionate is angry, and he does not do angry well.
There is no doubt the media will kick it in high gear and passion for the left is anger. Problem I see with it is we all know the talking points Obama will use next debate, the kill the elderly, poison the land, same bullspit. I'd be surprised if Romney isn't prepared for it. The liberal play book is old and tired.
Also, if anyone is to blame for his lousy debate performance, a case can be made it is the liberal media elites responsibility. We have a narcissist who in 4 years has faced nothing but admiration and praise. They've put halos on his head, legs tingling, heaping praise on the guy......he's faced no real challenges to his programs, his rhetoric is not questioned, his race baiting is given a pass because he hasn't had to face a media doing thier job. The result? This may have been the first time in 4 years his ideal has been questioned.
Now, I never would have thought romneys moderate stance on a few issues would assist him, but I believe it did. If he is elected, we have some work to do, but today, the entire republican party should thank mitt Romney because he taught a lesson on how to battle the liberals without cow towing down. I hope boehnermand a few others took notes.
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Body language: BO looking down. Looked like he was being taken to task. Scolded. Upset at being schooled.
They can spin it and they will but the subconscious mind locks in these things and stubbornly refuses to let them go.
Plus four years of fail.
Speaking of schooled, this might be the first time he actually attended schooling and in public view. ::hysterical::
and he got graded!
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(http://home.comcast.net/~tfoster475/pwpimages/Debate.jpg)
Someone didn't take their happy pills last night.
::bustamove::
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(http://home.comcast.net/~tfoster475/pwpimages/Debate.jpg)
Someone didn't take their happy pills last night.
::bustamove::
::hysterical:: ::hysterical:: ::hysterical::
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Here's the thing: Yes, the reaction to this performance will be ramp up the passion and yes, that means anger.
If there is one thing that BO has in abundance it is anger. He was very obviously coached to keep his anger in check last night and he did do that. So we can expect lots of passionate anger in the next debate.
Except it's a town hall format. Except foreign policy will not be off of the table.
That is a delicate line to walk and and he isn't up to it.
Here's the other thing: BO is neither smart nor is he a hard worker. Evidence: It's all around us but in particular we can look at BO's preferred activities of golf and basketball. Plus eating out at fast food joints. Plus parties. The guy clearly does not like his actual job. He doesn't bother with intelligence briefings because it's a part of the job that he doesn't like. Trust me on this: There are many, many parts of the job that he does not like and he, being BO, doesn't feel that he has to do them. And there isn't anyone for him to answer to so nothing is ever done about it. He is lazy. And not a genius.
So what does that mean? It means he didn't do much debate prep at all. Because he didn't like it. And because he didn't think he needed to because he thinks that he is smarter than everyone around him.
I don't think he will do much better in any of the remaining debates. There just isn't any reason for him to. He can't run on his record, it sucks. His opponent isn't John McStupid this time. He might study a little bit more for the next debate but it will be akin to putting last week's casserole (the one that got left in the fridge too long) onto a nicer plate. At best.
They will try another debate coach. Because it had to be the debate coach. It couldn't be BO. No way. Personally, I am hoping that Valerie Jarrett is the next coach. She has just as much of an absurdly inflated opinion of her own intelligence as BO does. And she is one angry woman.
He doesn't do anger well. He isn't passionate about anything but his marxist stuff and he can't reveal that in public.
He had his shot. It was last night. He wasted it.
The remaining debates are going to be bad for him. More people will tune in and they will not like what they see in BO.
And does anyone seriously think that Biden can pull it out for the team?
No, of course not. Ryan should decimate him.
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Funny thing to remember in all of this: Romney is the guy they wanted.
And by "they" I mean the admin and the MFM. They marginalized everyone else in the primaries to steer it to this outcome.
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Kos tries (and fails) to put a brave face (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/03/1139588/-A-loss-but-not-a-game-changing-one) on the situation.
If debate victories led to electoral victories, we never would've had President George W. Bush. And we would've had a President Hillary Clinton. There was no gaffe that Republicans and the media can point to, no defining "moment" that will recast the race. What happened is that Romney looked livelier and more aggressive while Obama looked listless and disconnected. It certainly created a bad night for our side, but nothing lasting.
Maybe I'm an Eeyore, but I tend to think Kos' analysis is something that shouldn't be discounted. (Can't believe I'm saying that).
Particularly with the reality of the media cheerleaders spinning this away. I just don't know if defeating Obama in a debate (one of three) is going to result in a Romney victory.
One good thing I think is that Obama is now in a box. He has to get "passionate" at the next debate, or risk being hammered again from the Left. For him, passionate is angry, and he does not do angry well.
You're describing Alphabet's Axiom: "Take your wisdom where you find it" - or alternatively, don't reject wisdom just because it came from an idiot. They're right about the truism, and wrong about the application.
The debates are but an act (or two) of a whole production. I'm not even going to bother to look up the reference to Reagan losing anything to Mondale because, this many years later and this many miles down the road, no one remembers it that way.
I didn't (couldn't) watch last night but I'm sure that there will be video. And I'm certain that I know what I'm going to see - a bully getting his comeuppance. It was one of my very most favorite pastimes when I was in school - confronting the bully and making him eat worms. And I did so with righteousness because I knew in my heart that bullying a bully was exempted behavior. And my classmates knew it too. They knew that I wasn't the bad guy - just someone sick and tired of the antics of a thug and someone trying to make things right.
This is the image I carry and want to convey for the rest of the campaign....
Øbozo - we're sick and tired of your crap and want you gone!
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God that picture is priceless! Even having the wookie enforcer lumbering there protecting his ass he looks small, effeminate, and thoroughly beaten.
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Obama is lazy. Period.
He's had one goal in life and that is to craft his messiah personna. But what worked on the south side of Chicago doesn't work when the shift hits the fan. What worked in 2008 doesn't work when substance is needed. He's proven you can't fake substance. He has nothing to draw on. The hoopla of 2008 isn't enough. Romney has decades of working as a leader and all that entails.
Again Obama's goal was to craft this personna. He had no plan B. He thought that would be enough to get him through one and then a second term. He's spent his entire life getting by. He didn't get into office and try to do something to give this personna some credibility. No, he's too lazy. Plus as a narcissist he's doesn't have to bother. I've known people who spend their life getting by and they have no clue it's not working! They can't see it! Nothing anyone tells Obama will penetrate his brain because he knows, he knows it's not him that failed.
Obama will get tips on cosmetic things like don't look down but as he tries to do that something else will fail him--maybe his anger. I don't see him being able to pull it off in the next 2 debates. And what the heck is he going to talk about for foreign policy?
BO performed last night exactly as we here at IAL expected. We know him as that kind of man. Now the rest of the country got to see it.
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Anyone putting out odds on whether that middle finger chin scratch will emerge in the next debate or not?
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Anyone putting out odds on whether that middle finger chin scratch will emerge in the next debate or not?
I was surprised that Valerie hadn't put his hand in a cast to prevent it. (You know it's just a matter of time) ::laughonfloor::
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Hey MNHawk - where did you find that "happy pills" pic? Do you mind if I share it around?
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The Obama team did not expect Obama's thematic lies to be called
and if they were they did not expect Romney to be effective.
They were wrong.
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The Obama team did not expect Obama's thematic lies to be called
and if they were they did not expect Romney to be effective.
They were wrong.
This may have mortaly wounded duh won.Ryan should hill Biden next week and that will be that.They better start hitting craigs list for moving boxes.
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God that picture is priceless! Even having the wookie enforcer lumbering there protecting his ass he looks small, effeminate, and thoroughly beaten.
(http://home.comcast.net/~tfoster475/pwpimages/Debate.jpg)
"Drop the leash Barack. Barack?" (Pant, pant, growl...pant)
::hysterical::
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The Obama team did not expect Obama's thematic lies to be called
and if they were they did not expect Romney to be effective.
They were wrong.
As the moderators get more actively leftist they'll start giving Obama more leeway and put Mitt on a short clock and cut him off, you watch. Also, look for Obama to have his prep dumbed down to a series of meaningless gibberish, lies and bullsh*t that he'll repeat over and over again regardless the question/issue and a forced smile to make it look like he is enjoying this stuff.
Poor Plugs was DOA even before Mitt picked Ryan, as it stands that debate will be a bloodbath and a hoot to watch, but the MFM will write it off as "who cares about the under-ticket"...
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Hey MNHawk - where did you find that "happy pills" pic? Do you mind if I share it around?
It's an AP Pic. I didn't hot link that one as it really is a keeper. ::USA::
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Today John Sununu was asked if Obama would not be better
prepared next time. He responded:
"When you're not that bright you can't be better prepared."
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Today John Sununu was asked if Obama would not be better
prepared next time. He responded:
"When you're not that bright you can't be better prepared."
::hysterical:: ::hysterical:: ::hysterical:: ::hysterical:: ::hysterical:: ::hysterical::
oh my gosh that's good
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Today John Sununu was asked if Obama would not be better
prepared next time. He responded:
"When you're not that bright you can't be better prepared."
I think it would be a mistake to count on a second weak performance in a row .
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Today John Sununu was asked if Obama would not be better
prepared next time. He responded:
"When you're not that bright you can't be better prepared."
I think it would be a mistake to count on a second weak performance in a row .
I agree. The next debate will be a more traditional format, with more influence and control of the so-called moderators. The mainstream media will create the narrative and do whatever they can to make the narrative lead to an outcome.
A Leftist, anti-American outcome. Everyone who opposes America from within is fully invested in all-in Leftism now. They know this is their one shot. If Obama and the Senate fall to the GOP, everything the Left has worked for for a century is in jeopardy. I expect a concerted effort by all Leftist forces, now matter how obvious or blatant, and no matter what the consequences will be if they fail. They believe they must win, and they will do whatever they think it will take.
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http://www.debates.org/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=39&cntnt01origid=15&cntnt01detailtemplate=newspage&cntnt01returnid=80 (http://www.debates.org/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=39&cntnt01origid=15&cntnt01detailtemplate=newspage&cntnt01returnid=80)
Vice presidential debate:
Martha Raddatz, Senior Foreign Affairs Correspondent, ABC News
Thursday, October 11, Centre College, Danville, KY
Second presidential debate (town meeting):
Candy Crowley, Chief Political Correspondent, CNN and Anchor, CNN's State of the Union
Tuesday, October 16, Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY
Third presidential debate:
Bob Schieffer, Chief Washington Correspondent, CBS News and Moderator, Face the Nation
Monday, October 22, Lynn University, Boca Raton, FL
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The Obama team did not expect Obama's thematic lies to be called
and if they were they did not expect Romney to be effective.
They were wrong.
This may have mortaly wounded duh won.Ryan should hill Biden next week and that will be that.They better start hitting craigs list for moving boxes.
Someone needs to take an inventory in the White House.
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The Obama team did not expect Obama's thematic lies to be called
and if they were they did not expect Romney to be effective.
They were wrong.
This may have mortaly wounded duh won.Ryan should hill Biden next week and that will be that.They better start hitting craigs list for moving boxes.
Someone needs to take an inventory in the White House.
Pffft. Think we'll be allowed to know about the damage done? I don't; Bush and his people made sure we never knew the full extent to which the Clintons et al. trashed the place.
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Today John Sununu was asked if Obama would not be better
prepared next time. He responded:
"When you're not that bright you can't be better prepared."
I think it would be a mistake to count on a second weak performance in a row .
I agree. The next debate will be a more traditional format, with more influence and control of the so-called moderators. The mainstream media will create the narrative and do whatever they can to make the narrative lead to an outcome.
A Leftist, anti-American outcome. Everyone who opposes America from within is fully invested in all-in Leftism now. They know this is their one shot. If Obama and the Senate fall to the GOP, everything the Left has worked for for a century is in jeopardy. I expect a concerted effort by all Leftist forces, now matter how obvious or blatant, and no matter what the consequences will be if they fail. They believe they must win, and they will do whatever they think it will take.
Mitt should be employing phrases like this at the start of most of his statements in the next rounds - "You're false assumption prefacing this question is clouding the issue so let me help you fix this so the American people fully understand what has happened, why and what can be done to correct this...", because you know these MFM clowns will get strict orders to flip this thing Obama's way since their guy has been shown to be even more retarded and hapless than even they feared. Barry isn't going up against old senile Mr. Nice J.McCain, this time he has someone who is awake, alert and not easily thrown off course.
Poor Barry, if he was just slightly less repulsive I could almost feel sorry for him...almost...as in one in a million shot...
;D
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Copied off of the AoS site:
Obama-Romney presidential debate 2012: Mitt clobbers Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNhUI8ktHuw#ws)
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Axelrod - 'People are willing to give Governor Romney credit for his performance but that didn't necessarily translate into support for him for President. He may win the Oscar for his performance last night but he’s not going to win the presidency for his performance last night.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2212961/Presidential-debate-2012-Mitt-Romney-celebrates-Obama-aide-admits-defeat.html#ixzz28NNH35Lb (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2212961/Presidential-debate-2012-Mitt-Romney-celebrates-Obama-aide-admits-defeat.html#ixzz28NNH35Lb)
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::hysterical::
Ha! That's rich coming from the party that values style over substance 24/7/365, their Savior just got his fannie waxed in front of millions of people on substance with style and they think they can laugh this one off like Mitt got one over on them! Really? What does that say about your guy...that he is so easily gotten? These people are unsane. Nail 'em some more Mitt, their heads might just spin right off their shoulders!
::whoohoo::
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God that picture is priceless! Even having the wookie enforcer lumbering there protecting his ass he looks small, effeminate, and thoroughly beaten.
(http://home.comcast.net/~tfoster475/pwpimages/Debate.jpg)
"Drop the leash Barack. Barack?" (Pant, pant, growl...pant)
::hysterical::
Quick, somebody photoshop Michelle's head for an orangutang akin to Planet of the Apes.
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Zira, is that you? ::laughonfloor::
Damn Trap, that clip is HILARIOUS! The prop-beannie on Duh Wun is awesome, and I almost needed a new keyboard after the donkeys threw crap at the screen and Mitt roundhouse-kicked the SCoaMF!
::hysterical::
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Poor Europe is apoplectic over the thought of a Romney Presidency.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/04/us-europe-us-debate-idUSBRE8930Y520121004 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/04/us-europe-us-debate-idUSBRE8930Y520121004)
Yeah, like I care. Oh, and it figures Reuters would post this retarded article.
That earns a ::mooning:: ::mooning:: ::mooning::
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Poor Europe is apoplectic over the thought of a Romney Presidency.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/04/us-europe-us-debate-idUSBRE8930Y520121004 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/04/us-europe-us-debate-idUSBRE8930Y520121004)
Yeah, like I care. Oh, and it figures Reuters would post this retarded article.
That earns a ::mooning:: ::mooning:: ::mooning::
They might have to get along on their own,starting with France.
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Poor Europe is apoplectic over the thought of a Romney Presidency.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/04/us-europe-us-debate-idUSBRE8930Y520121004 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/04/us-europe-us-debate-idUSBRE8930Y520121004)
Yeah, like I care. Oh, and it figures Reuters would post this retarded article.
That earns a ::mooning:: ::mooning:: ::mooning::
They might have to get along on their own,starting with France.
Tsk. What the hell's the matter with them? Obongo's been crapping all over Europe and its leaders, including Britain. They're so socialist-stupid they don't know what's good for them.
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Battered-spouse syndrome. ::)
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Copied off of the AoS site:
Obama-Romney presidential debate 2012: Mitt clobbers Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNhUI8ktHuw#ws)
Hey! That's wasis!
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Those bandaids Michelle buys for Barry, they come from Europe.
The subtext is they are worried (shudder) Romney will bolster
Frau "Eisen-Mädchen" Merkel and then the Bundesbank will sell
them to the muzzies.
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Yes and hopefully he will indeed bolster Merkel. She isn't the first leader of a European country to go by the moniker of "Eiserne Frau", the other one coincided with a president named Reagan.
Europe could use a good conquering. Might as well let the Germans finish the job this time.
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A return to monetary and fiscal sanity is in order over there, if not the Germans...who? ::whatgives::
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Hey, back to this debate...what ever happened to that outfit that was going to apply lie-detector technology to the debate? I am guessing the delay is due to the sheer volume of data Duh wun provided them, eh?
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... here’s something that’s intentionally funny (hat tip: Ace) from The Onion: “Mitt Adopts New ‘Ronnie Ferocious’ Persona for Debates”:
…Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney appeared tonight at the University of Denver’s Magness Arena as Ronnie Ferocious, the aggressive, no-rules punk-rock persona he has reportedly adopted for his three debates against President Barack Obama.
Wearing a sleeveless cutoff suit jacket, tight leather pants, and a blue tie knotted around his head of spiky, red-white-and-blue-streaked hair, Romney swaggered on stage, took his position beside Obama, and ordered debate moderator Jim Lehrer to “f**king do this already.”
“You know what? I’ll ask the first question,” the former Massachusetts governor said before putting out his cigarette on his forearm and flicking the butt at Lehrer.
And perhaps the strangest thing about the Onion piece is that, as best I can tell, it appears to have been written before the debate.
Heheh.
http://neoneocon.com/2012/10/04/obama-just-too-nice-a-guy/ (http://neoneocon.com/2012/10/04/obama-just-too-nice-a-guy/)
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Aaaand the "fact-checking" and debunking of Romney's "claims" has begun:
http://www.kcet.org/news/rewire/government/elections/romneys-90-billion-untruth.html (http://www.kcet.org/news/rewire/government/elections/romneys-90-billion-untruth.html)
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Apparently someone got their hands on the President's scribbles from the debate(spoof ):
(http://iowntheworld.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/581413_434433533259365_643664759_n.jpg)
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Apparently someone got their hands on the President's scribbles from the debate(spoof ):
(http://iowntheworld.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/581413_434433533259365_643664759_n.jpg)
::hysterical:: ::hysterical:: ::hysterical::
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Apparently someone got their hands on the President's scribbles from the debate(spoof ):
(http://iowntheworld.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/581413_434433533259365_643664759_n.jpg)
AND ........
(http://moelane.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/RomneyCheatSheet2-245x300.jpg)
Link (http://moelane.com/2012/10/05/secret-romney-cheat-sheet-revealed-must-credit-moe-lane/) via Instapundit.
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Lowdown theft from AoS:
(http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/121015_2012_p465.jpg)
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The New Yorker graphic would be more accurate if the chair had stains on it. :o
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Heh, good stuff! ::thumbsup::
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Breitbart reports (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/06/Obama-Blames-Kerry?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BreitbartFeed+%28Breitbart+Feed%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo) that Team BO is now officially blaming Kerry for BO's performance. I am surprised it took this long.
"Well Norah, they're simply upset and really outraged. They blame the President's team, first of all, for not preparing him to meet the challenge of an aggressive Mitt Romney. They say that nobody in the room challenged him, including the guy that he was debating with, John Kerry, because, as they say, he wants to be Secretary of State so he's not going to get in the President's face. And Presidents are used to deference; they're not used to people challenging them like that. So they think that the debate prep was terrible, but they also fault the President himself for not understanding that Romney was going to be more aggressive."
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Breitbart reports (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/06/Obama-Blames-Kerry?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BreitbartFeed+%28Breitbart+Feed%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo) that Team BO is now officially blaming Kerry for BO's performance. I am surprised it took this long.
"Well Norah, they're simply upset and really outraged. They blame the President's team, first of all, for not preparing him to meet the challenge of an aggressive Mitt Romney. They say that nobody in the room challenged him, including the guy that he was debating with, John Kerry, because, as they say, he wants to be Secretary of State so he's not going to get in the President's face. And Presidents are used to deference; they're not used to people challenging them like that. So they think that the debate prep was terrible, but they also fault the President himself for not understanding that Romney was going to be more aggressive."
The ideology of blame never, ever, ever takes personal responsibility, except when doing so has no potential cost or downside. They can't even realize how ridiculous it sounds to blame someone else for ones own performance in an arena where you're standing there, one-on-one, by yourself, facing off with someone else doing the same. It boggles the mind.
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Breitbart reports (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/06/Obama-Blames-Kerry?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BreitbartFeed+%28Breitbart+Feed%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo) that Team BO is now officially blaming Kerry for BO's performance. I am surprised it took this long.
"Well Norah, they're simply upset and really outraged. They blame the President's team, first of all, for not preparing him to meet the challenge of an aggressive Mitt Romney. They say that nobody in the room challenged him, including the guy that he was debating with, John Kerry, because, as they say, he wants to be Secretary of State so he's not going to get in the President's face. And Presidents are used to deference; they're not used to people challenging them like that. So they think that the debate prep was terrible, but they also fault the President himself for not understanding that Romney was going to be more aggressive."
Why would bambi need prep to start with?? Isn't he sold as the smartest president ever??
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From Politico:
"Former New Hampshire Gov John Sununu lit into President Obama's Wednesday debate performance, calling him "lazy" and "disengaged."
Pressed by host Andrea Mitchell about whether Sununu really intended to call Obama "lazy" (DOGWHISTLE!!!! - P.)
Sununu stood by his comments."
And by "pressed" it is meant she, as a "journalist" was actually arguing with him.
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I cannot see or hear her name without immediately hearing Rush's imitation of her: "Andrea Mitchell. NBC Newsssssss Washington"
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H/T Rayra:
(http://aug-cdn.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/superphoto/superphoto/100512MCKEETOON_web.jpg)
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I hear Plugs is taking 6 days to prep for Ryan, he could have 60 years and still stink on ice! ::hysterical::
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I hear Plugs is taking 6 days to prep for Ryan, he could have 60 years and still stink on ice! ::hysterical::
Breitbart's Joel Pollak offers a word of caution in that regard...
VP Debate Preview: How to Beat Paul Ryan (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/07/How-to-Beat-Paul-Ryan-in-a-Debate)
Rep. Paul Ryan is an excellent debater, having bested President Barack Obama himself and many other opponents besides. But Ryan also has a few vulnerable points that Vice President Joe Biden will try to exploit at their debate at Centre College in Danville, KY on Thursday night. The way to defeat Ryan is to use his intellectual strengths against him, and emphasize the human side behind his abstract numbers, theories and policies.
That is something Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz--not the best of debaters, which is why the party has sidelined her during the last critical weeks of the campaign--managed to do during an exchange with Ryan in March 2010 over Obamacare on Fox News Sunday. Ryan arrived at the studio armed with facts and figures--and a portable “Ross Perot” chart--and destroyed the budget pretensions of Wasserman Schultz and her Democrats, who claimed Obamacare reduced the deficit.
Her defense was simple:
Worth the read, just to keep in mind that while Ryan is brilliant, he DOES venture into the wonkish weeds, and while Biden is a buffoon, he DOES have a knack for making emotional connections with voters.
There's a reason that each man is who, what, and where he is, and I would say that in a debate format, it is not a given that Ryan will wipe the floor with Biden. It is highly likely, but not a given.
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Never underestimate a man that's backed into a corner. Plugs is in a corner.
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Never underestimate a man that's backed into a corner. Plugs is in a corner.
Plugs most likely is feeling the pressure. His boss was just schooled. He may be in the corner, but he is wearing the dunces hats.
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Never underestimate a man that's backed into a corner. Plugs is in a corner.
I bet his head fits perfectly.
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I completely agree with IDP's words of caution. Biden could be a problem. Or he could be pure comedy gold. The problem is that he is a loose canon, a wild card. He is a total idiot but also a gifted politician. Ryan needs to treat him very, very seriously.
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Never underestimate a man that's backed into a corner. Plugs is in a corner.
I bet his head fits perfectly.
That being said, is it true they used his head for the pattern? ::hysterical::
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The only issue which bothers me about plugs is there is absolutely no expectations.
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I think people are over-reading the situation. Ryan doesn't have to bone up on facts and figures, he has that already at hand, all he has to do is harken back to his rural Wisconsin roots and present his points in the language of common sense. Let Plugs emote all he wants, it doesn't make him right, and it opens him up for a perfect smackdown..."I admire the Vice Presidents passionate defense of yadda yadda yadda but in this case his emphasis on blah blah blah is entirely misplaced and where compassion is really needed is for working Americans who the Obama-Biden Administration keeps burdening with regulations and inflationary polices, and it will get worse for the middle class when their tax increases take effect.", stuff like that... I think Ryan can rope-a-dope a dope and land several knockdowns.
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Personally, I'd compile a list of Biden gaffs and steer the debate in that direction as much as I can......kinda like a dog eating his own vomit.
On second thought........never mind the list. Biden has gaffs in every issue. He will bumble into them.
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The only issue which bothers me about plugs is there is absolutely no expectations.
And the DNC is OK with that.Scary!
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I think people are over-reading the situation. Ryan doesn't have to bone up on facts and figures, he has that already at hand, all he has to do is harken back to his rural Wisconsin roots and present his points in the language of common sense. Let Plugs emote all he wants, it doesn't make him right, and it opens him up for a perfect smackdown..."I admire the Vice Presidents passionate defense of yadda yadda yadda but in this case his emphasis on blah blah blah is entirely misplaced and where compassion is really needed is for working Americans who the Obama-Biden Administration keeps burdening with regulations and inflationary polices, and it will get worse for the middle class when their tax increases take effect.", stuff like that... I think Ryan can rope-a-dope a dope and land several knockdowns.
I largely agree Libertas but I believe that Ryan's primary objective is to not allow Bidet to let the topic drift off course. Bidet will most certainly have one of his flights of fancy and the inclination is to respond to it (especially when it contains a lie about you) but Ryan has to say, "Yes well that's all well and fine for you but we were talking about tax relief".
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Biden will play on the emotional rollercoaster that is liberalism and will have a couple of pre planned attacks. Ryan will simply need to reel him in. If ole joe leaves the reservation, it will play in Ryans favor. As long as Ryan doesn't become the numbers wonk, biden will have no place to hide.
I predict a TKO. I predict biden wipes the sweat from his forehead 5 times.
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Bidet! Heh, that's good 'Soup! ::thumbsup::
Flush O'Bongo/Bidet!
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Bidet! Heh, that's good 'Soup! ::thumbsup::
Flush O'Bongo/Bidet!
Thankee ;)
I like it because it sneaks up on ya. 'Course I couldn't get away with pronouncing it but then there are plenty of insulting names I can call him then, too!