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Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: IronDioPriest on March 24, 2011, 09:17:00 AM

Title: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 24, 2011, 09:17:00 AM
I would support her with everything I've got. I worry about losing her in the 6th district though. Word is a local news anchorman who has been on TV for years is thinking about running. We'd need Bachmann's high profile to hold the seat against Don Shelby. If she runs for President and doesn't get the nomination (which I think would be likely) would she quit politics, or still run for the 6th?

From CNN...

CNN Exclusive: Michele Bachmann to form exploratory committee in June, possibly earlier (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/24/cnn-exclusive-michele-bachmann-to-form-exploratory-committee-in-june-possibly-earlier/)

CNN has exclusively learned that Rep. Michele Bachmann will form a presidential exploratory committee. The Minnesota Republican plans to file papers for the committee in early June, with an announcement likely around that same time.

But a source close to the congresswoman said that Bachmann could form the exploratory committee even earlier than June so that she could participate in early Republican presidential debates.

"She's been telling everyone early summer," the source told CNN regarding Bachmann's planned June filing and announcement. But the source said that nothing is static.

"If you [debate sponsors] come to us and say, 'To be in our debates, you have to have an exploratory committee,' then we'll say, 'Okay, fine...I'll go file the forms.'"

Three GOP presidential primary debates are planned before and during early June: The first one on May 2 at the Ronald Reagan Library in Simi Valley, California and another on May 5 in South Carolina. CNN plans a GOP presidential primary debate in New Hampshire in early June.

Meanwhile, CNN has also learned that Iowa Republican state Sen. Kent Sorenson has been hired to be Bachmann's political director for the state - and that Bachmann aides hope to have a complete team together for Iowa by this weekend.

Sorenson is a prominent Tea Party figure in Iowa and holds sway with evangelicals in the state.

The three-term congresswoman hopes to also have political teams in place - very soon - in New Hampshire, home to the first-in-the-nation presidential primary, and South Carolina, host of the first presidential primary in the South.

"I should have state directors in all those states within a week," Bachmann Chief of Staff Andy Parrish said.
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: ToddF on March 24, 2011, 09:21:00 AM
Stay where you are, Michelle.  You're needed there.

And frankly, 4 years in congress isn't experience enough, IMHO.

Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: AmericanPatriot on March 24, 2011, 09:31:19 AM
Stay where you are, Michelle.  You're needed there.

And frankly, 4 years in congress isn't experience enough, IMHO.

It's probably a good thing. The longer they're there, the worse they get.
I would support her, work for her and donate
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 24, 2011, 09:49:25 AM
If I knew Michelle I would ask her who she is going to support for her current seat.

No Retreads.

Bachmann/West    ::USA::Save America ::USA::    West/Bachmann
         

Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 24, 2011, 09:52:16 AM
Ya wanna know what I think is going on? I think she intends to:

a) Make damn sure the Tea Party has the strongest representation possible in the primaries
b) Force the other candidates to address Tea party concerns
c) Energize the Tea Party Base
d) Raise tons of dough
e) Upset the applecart in Iowa
f) Reinforce Tea Party organization & boots on the ground in MN
g) Throw her full support behind Tim Pawlenty at the right time, and bring the Tea Party to him.

My gut tells me she has no honest designs on the Presidency. I may be completely wrong, but it doesn't "feel true" to me for her to be jumping in right now. Pawlenty is a good conservative with a couple blemishes and a great track record of executive experience. They've had a good working relationship at the state level, with Pawlenty in the state House and Bachmann in the state Senate, and then with Pawlenty as Governor while Bachmann was in state Senate leadership.

That's what my gut tells me.
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 24, 2011, 09:54:19 AM
If I knew Michelle I would ask her who she is going to support for her current seat.

No Retreads.


Without knowing a thing, my guess would be Tom Emmer. He was the state House rep for my district, and just lost the governorship by a very narrow margin in November. He's from this district, and he won the governor's race by a WIDE margin in this district.

Believe me, Emmer is as conservative as they get.
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: Glock32 on March 24, 2011, 10:00:09 AM
Stay where you are, Michelle.  You're needed there.

And frankly, 4 years in congress isn't experience enough, IMHO.

It's probably a good thing. The longer they're there, the worse they get.
I would support her, work for her and donate

I agree. I think we attach wayyyyy too much importance to prior elected office. Now that doesn't excuse the current incompetent in the White House. His resume is devoid of executive experience of any kind, save a no-show job running a legal journal.

If anything, too much time in legislative office is a detriment. A legislator in many ways cultivates the opposite sort of mentality that you need in a Chief Executive. What is her experience prior to being in Congress?
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: ToddF on March 24, 2011, 10:05:49 AM
Funny thing about Emmer.  I hear him more now (seems he's always on KTLK in the morning) then when he was runnin for governor.  Emmer would have been good.

Speaking about KTLK, what happened to Chris Baker in the morning?  Yes you Glenn Beck listeners the one and the same who was OUR morning guy.

Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: ToddF on March 24, 2011, 10:12:36 AM
Answer my own question

http://www.minnpost.com/braublog/2011/02/02/25444/chris_baker_quits_as_ktlk-fm_morning_host (http://www.minnpost.com/braublog/2011/02/02/25444/chris_baker_quits_as_ktlk-fm_morning_host)

He walked, basically.
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 24, 2011, 10:13:06 AM
Funny thing about Emmer.  I hear him more now (seems he's always on KTLK in the morning) then when he was runnin for governor.  Emmer would have been good.

Speaking about KTLK, what happened to Chris Baker in the morning?  Yes you Glenn Beck listeners the one and the same who was OUR morning guy.



I have heard no reason given for Baker's departure. But apparently he's on in the afternoons in Houston again, as of February.

Emmer is true-blue.
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 24, 2011, 10:19:48 AM
...What is her experience prior to being in Congress?

Anti-abortion activist, mother of 5, foster mother of 23, school choice advocate, charter school founder & board member, federal tax attorney, state Senator, US House representative.
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: Alphabet Soup on March 24, 2011, 10:32:47 AM
I would tend to agree with your assessment IDP. I remember a time when Condoleeza Rice said a few things that were inspirational and comforting. The reaction from some was to name her as the GOP's  presumptive champion in '08. I could see that it wasn't just premature - it was misplaced energy bordering on idolatry. Folks hungering for a "white knight" glomming onto anyone or anything that they feel will "save" them. Even conservatives can be seduced by this phenomenon.

OK, so now you're saying, "WTH is soup talking about NOW?!

Simple. If we're going to have a serious conversation about the race for the presidency, we must touch on electability. It isn't enough to choose someone based on a commonality of values, a suitable resume, or an ability to communicate. The person has to be electable.

The disturbing truth is that a Mitt Romney is electable, but a Sarah Palin is not. Michelle Bachmann is not. I do not like Romney and (as a matter of fact) despise several of his stances on issues. I would likely pass on the opportunity to vote for him. Conversely, I dig Sarah. I dig what Sarah has to say. I would eagerly cast a vote for her. but, as a betting man, in a head to head my money is on Mitt winning the prize, not Sarah.

Not by my wish, but as a recognition of political reality.

And the same is true of Michelle. There are too many who would not allow her to sustain a campaign for the GOP nomination. She's perfectly cast in her present role, and her addition to the conservative conversation is welcomed, but no further. Sorry if the truth offends.

What Michelle is doing right now is invaluable and I applaud her for it. i  hope that she doesn't waste her resources on fruitless pursuits.
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 24, 2011, 11:02:59 AM
The minute it became obvious Barbour was not going to run I supported Romney.
I supported him wholeheartedly and believed him far superior to the other candidates.
No more. I and many like me will not support anyone from the ruling class.

Ya wanna know what I think is going on? I think she intends to:

a) Make damn sure the Tea Party has the strongest representation possible in the primaries
b) Force the other candidates to address Tea party concerns
c) Energize the Tea Party Base
d) Raise tons of dough
e) Upset the applecart in Iowa
f) Reinforce Tea Party organization & boots on the ground in MN
g) Throw her full support behind Tim Pawlenty at the right time, and bring the Tea Party to him.

My gut tells me she has no honest designs on the Presidency. I may be completely wrong, but it doesn't "feel true" to me for her to be jumping in right now. Pawlenty is a good conservative with a couple blemishes and a great track record of executive experience. They've had a good working relationship at the state level, with Pawlenty in the state House and Bachmann in the state Senate, and then with Pawlenty as Governor while Bachmann was in state Senate leadership.

That's what my gut tells me.

That's typical of her, sacrificing personal ambition for the nation.

(prolly not be Pawlenty)

Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: AmericanPatriot on March 24, 2011, 11:30:16 AM
IDP, I respect your opinion, but disagree about Pawlenty.
I see him as just another moderate.
For me, he would be one of those I'd hold my nose for but would vote for.

Alphabet Soup. On electability, how do you come to the conclusion that Palin is unelectable but Romney is?
I believe Reagan was considered unelectable,too.
I don't really think Michelle has a serious chance.

Palin is polarizing but she gets people moving. I do have (and have said elsewhere) that I do have some issues with her but would support her.

On principles alone, I would pick Bachmann over all of the current crop. Palin would be my second

Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: Predator Don on March 24, 2011, 11:54:03 AM
IDP, I respect your opinion, but disagree about Pawlenty.
I see him as just another moderate.
For me, he would be one of those I'd hold my nose for but would vote for.

Alphabet Soup. On electability, how do you come to the conclusion that Palin is unelectable but Romney is?
I believe Reagan was considered unelectable,too.
I don't really think Michelle has a serious chance.

Palin is polarizing but she gets people moving. I do have (and have said elsewhere) that I do have some issues with her but would support her.

On principles alone, I would pick Bachmann over all of the current crop. Palin would be my second




I don't view Palin as polarizing....I view a liberal media painting her as polarizing. I believe she is more than electable, a mainstream conservative. She scares the left to death. She will draw every single conservative to vote. No vote will be left behind.
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 24, 2011, 12:04:05 PM
IDP, I respect your opinion, but disagree about Pawlenty.
I see him as just another moderate.
For me, he would be one of those I'd hold my nose for but would vote for....

I'm just relating my impression after 8 years of Pawlenty as my governor. I think labeling him as a "moderate" is accurate in that he is mild-mannered, not in-your-face, and typically political in his demeanor and rhetoric. That kind of demeanor is not what I would choose for this critical moment in history. And he supported McCain, even though he's nothing like McCain.

But he is not politically moderate. He's conservative/center-right, both fiscally and socially. He held the line in every way he could. That means that when he was elected and the MN legislature was in the hands of the GOP, he cut taxes, returned the budget surplus to the people, cut spending, signed concealed carry, and basically governed as conservatively as he could get away with in MN, and as conservatively as one could have desired.

Then he lost the legislature. He was forced to compromise on certain things for the rest of his tenure, but he always fought hard for conservatives, and he always forced the Democrats to come his way, rather than just capitulating. When the Democrats refused to budge, he was not afraid to use executive orders to slash spending. He even tried to implement a de facto line item veto to thwart them. Even though state law has no such provision, he had the temerity to find a technicality that could act as a LIV, and he used it, even though the Democrats and the local media wailed and gnashed their teeth.

His cardinal sin was embracing Global Warming and its bastard-child, Cap-n-Trade. But a lot of good people were swayed by the false scientific claims. He has full-throatedly denounced his embrace of Cap-n-Trade. One must decide whether he genuinely changed his mind, whether he rejects it now because of political opportunism, or whether he embraced it in the first place because of political opportunism. I think he believed what he was being told.

If Pawlenty gets the nomination, he won't be my first choice, and I have little confidence he can win. But in my opinion, America and the GOP could do a HELL of a lot worse. Of the people who it appears are going to run, only Palin, Bachmann, and Cain garner my enthusiastic support. I would crawl across broken glass for miles for any of them. But if they can't get the nomination, Pawlenty is next in line for me, unless someone else jumps in or something else changes. He's a good man. Trustworthy. He's milquetoast, when we need steel. But he's reliably conservative, and we need that.
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: Libertas on March 24, 2011, 12:13:08 PM
T-Paw is a non-confrontational, cautious conservative who always has the potential to be really good...but I think he is too much of a nice guy, really, a really nice guy...to ever rise to anything approaching greatness.

I thnk IDP's outline is spot on about Bachmann and her intentions, but I disagree that she would necessarily throw her endorsement to T-Paw.  I think, even if she is out of the delegate race, she'll wait until the right time to endorse the person she best thinks can carry our agenda forward.  So the timing of her endorsement and who she endorses is completely up to her.  She cannot causally throw her support, nor wait too long, not while carrying the Tea Party Caucus chair.

And given the timing involved, she has some time to decisde on the fate of her House seat, if surrendered, I could do a lot worse than Emmer, that's for sure.

But part of me is selfish and I like her representing me and wish her to stay put.  But if Emmer replaces her in the district and she does well in the big race, I'd not be disappointed in that.  But I think IDP's angle is the most likely outline that will unfold.
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: Alphabet Soup on March 24, 2011, 12:26:27 PM
IDP, I respect your opinion, but disagree about Pawlenty.
I see him as just another moderate.
For me, he would be one of those I'd hold my nose for but would vote for.

Alphabet Soup. On electability, how do you come to the conclusion that Palin is unelectable but Romney is?
I believe Reagan was considered unelectable,too.
I don't really think Michelle has a serious chance.

Palin is polarizing but she gets people moving. I do have (and have said elsewhere) that I do have some issues with her but would support her.

On principles alone, I would pick Bachmann over all of the current crop. Palin would be my second



When I do my analysis I try to divorce myself from lefty opinion - it's irrelevant anyway since none of them are going to vote for any of us. I also try to steer clear of fakes like David Brooks who are frauds in Republican clothing. I do listen to as much right-wing opinion as possible before forming my own opinions.

What I've seen is that Romney is more palatable or acceptable to more people from the middle and on the right than Sarah Palin is. Acceptability translates into votes and votes win elections. Ideologically Palin is a conservative and Romney is not (or nominally). That makes Palin much more attractive to me, but I recognize that I only represent the right wing of the right-wing.

Now, why there is such a negative perception of her isn't a mystery - it is the result of a lamestream smear campaign of unprecedented proportion. Not liking it or agreeing with it doesn't change that fact that it was effective in creating huge negatives in public perceptions.

Can Palin overcome it? I don't know. I would never count her out, but it will be a big job.

Once again I'd like to emphasize that these aren't the cards I'd like to play - these are the cards we've been dealt.
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 24, 2011, 12:46:44 PM
...Once again I'd like to emphasize that these aren't the cards I'd like to play - these are the cards we've been dealt.

I tend to agree with most of what you're saying regarding accepting political and electoral realities Soup, but I also think that (to stick with the card analogy) the anti-Palin cards have been dealt from a stacked deck, and everybody knows it at some level - even Leftists.

Reagan was considered unelectable at this point in the primary process as well. But as races heat up, attention begins to focus. If somehow Palin were to win the nomination, it would no longer be a question of whether she was electable or not, but rather, who will make the better President between her and O'Chimpy, and who are we going to elect. I think that she may well come out on the good side of the ledger when the question of electability fades and the question of who will lead the nation becomes primary. And I would REALLY like her chances if Obama continues to blunder everything he touches. Reagan was elected under similar - albeit not as dire - conditions.
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: AmericanPatriot on March 24, 2011, 12:47:12 PM
Thanks, IDP, for the assessment on Pawlenty.
Since you're on the ground there, you're better informed than me
I do know that NumbersUSA has him rated higher than anyone else with a C+ rating
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 24, 2011, 12:50:47 PM
Thanks, IDP, for the assessment on Pawlenty.
Since you're on the ground there, you're better informed than me
I do know that NumbersUSA has him rated higher than anyone else with a C+ rating

And even there, you gotta understand that our welfare system in Minnesota attracts huge numbers of illegal aliens, and that is a construct of Democrats, not Pawlenty. There are entire cities in the Southern/South-eastern parts of MN that are overrun by illegals.

I don't know what NUSA uses to assess a given politician's rating, but Pawlenty was the governor of Minnesota, which is a de facto sanctuary state, not of his doing.
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 24, 2011, 05:40:37 PM
Quote
His cardinal sin was embracing Global Warming and its bastard-child, Cap-n-Trade. But a lot of good people were swayed by the false scientific claims. He has full-throatedly denounced his embrace of Cap-n-Trade. One must decide whether he genuinely changed his mind, whether he rejects it now because of political opportunism, or whether he embraced it in the first place because of political opportunism. I think he believed what he was being told.

If Pawlenty gets the nomination, he won't be my first choice, and I have little confidence he can win.

That's enough information for me.

I want a president that recognizes that these democrat blood suckers want all I possess and my soul and my country. I want a leader who knows these Democrats instinctively, intuitively, and intellectually; I want leader who will devote everything he has to putting this genie back in the bottle and capping it, nothing less.

  
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: Janny on March 24, 2011, 06:27:38 PM
Regarding Bachmann. I really like her, and I think she's a good Rep. and she should stay where she is, for now. However, I tend to think that throwing her hat in will give her some influence in regard to the eventual choice of a nominee. I also wonder if she's positioning herself for a more serious run at the presidency in 2016 or 2020.

Regarding Palin, I don't know why so many conservatives have convinced themselves that she is "unelectable," based on the constant smear job that's beeing done by the BLM. The fact that she has had as much crap thrown at her as she already has, and is still standing tells makes me conclude exactly the opposite. Any serious candidate that comes from the Republican side is not going to get the same anal exam she has, and few will come out of it as well as she has.

Regarding Pawlenty, he is not someone I am that familiar with, so thank you for the information on him. I could definitely pull the lever FOR him, if he's chosen as the candidate, but he's not my first choice.
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 24, 2011, 06:34:18 PM
...The fact that she has had as much crap thrown at her as she already has, and is still standing tells makes me conclude exactly the opposite. Any serious candidate that comes from the Republican side is not going to get the same anal exam she has, and few will come out of it as well as she has....

You know, that nails it perfectly. Presidential races hone in on every little thing that can be dragged up about a person. There is nothing about this woman that America doesn't know. She passed the test and got dinged up badly, but no scandal, no ethical lapses, no huge mistakes, no lies... they've accused her of everything, and nothing has stuck EXCEPT that she's somehow not ready for primetime. And in my opinion, that'll be washed away in a few debates if she decides to jump in.

If she's nominated they'll be left with nothing to hit her with but recycled lies that failed the first time around. They'll be able to recycle the Couric/Gibson interviews, but her command of the issues in debate should juxtapose that just fine.

I just don't get the whole "unelectable" thing. If that meant anything, Reagan would have dropped out when he was considered "unelectable" by the establishment.
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: Janny on March 24, 2011, 07:52:52 PM
YES!

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If she's nominated they'll be left with nothing to hit her with but recycled lies that failed the first time around.
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: rickl on March 24, 2011, 09:27:46 PM
The word "electable" is not in my vocabulary.  In my opinion the concept was wholly invented by the treasonous leftist media specifically to intimidate real conservatives from running or being nominated.  Electability is determined by the voters on Election Day, not by political pundits.

If I recall correctly, the conventional wisdom held that McCain was the most "electable" of the Republican candidates in 2008.  How did that work out?  He would have lost by 20 points if he hadn't picked Palin as his running mate.
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: trapeze on March 24, 2011, 09:31:24 PM
Ya wanna know what I think is going on? I think she intends to:

a) Make damn sure the Tea Party has the strongest representation possible in the primaries
b) Force the other candidates to address Tea party concerns
c) Energize the Tea Party Base
d) Raise tons of dough
e) Upset the applecart in Iowa
f) Reinforce Tea Party organization & boots on the ground in MN
g) Throw her full support behind Tim Pawlenty at the right time, and bring the Tea Party to him.

My gut tells me she has no honest designs on the Presidency. I may be completely wrong, but it doesn't "feel true" to me for her to be jumping in right now. Pawlenty is a good conservative with a couple blemishes and a great track record of executive experience. They've had a good working relationship at the state level, with Pawlenty in the state House and Bachmann in the state Senate, and then with Pawlenty as Governor while Bachmann was in state Senate leadership.

That's what my gut tells me.

I think you are exactly right on every one of these points.

Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 24, 2011, 09:53:42 PM
... I don't know why so many conservatives have convinced themselves that she is "unelectable," ...



Someone I respect questioning her capability or intellect etc. causes me to reaccess their character. It also cause me to reflect on that person's qualifications to make such statements and his motives.   

Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 24, 2011, 10:11:34 PM
... I don't know why so many conservatives have convinced themselves that she is "unelectable," ...



Someone I respect questioning her capability or intellect etc. causes me to reaccess their character. It also cause me to reflect on that person's qualifications to make such statements and his motives.  



You know, dammit if I didn't have to deal with that from my own father re; Michele Bachmann. We were talking politics several months back and I brought up how impressed I was with her fearlessness and love for the constitution, and he said, "I don't like her." I said, "Why not?" He said, "Because she's stupid." I said, "She's a federal tax attorney and a foster mother to 23 kids, she's not stupid. She's smart, and has a good heart." He said, "I don't like her." I said, "Gimme an example of why you think she's stupid." He said, "She just is." End of f***ing conversation.

I don't question my dad's character, but I sure question his insight and motivation.
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: rickl on March 24, 2011, 10:22:38 PM
I forgot to mention in my previous comment that I would wholeheartedly support Bachmann, although Palin remains my first choice.

I'm not impressed with Pawlenty, though.  Or anyone else, for that matter.  I hope IDP is wrong about point g).
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 24, 2011, 10:40:02 PM
...I'm not impressed with Pawlenty, though.  Or anyone else, for that matter.  I hope IDP is wrong about point g).

He's not one to impress. And he's a Republican politician trying real hard to come off as regler folk and hitting the mark about 40% of the time, which sucks, because as far as politicians go he IS a regular guy - he's just a frikkin awkward nerd. He's got no cool, no charisma.

All I am saying about him is that if you look at his legislative and gubernatorial records, he's got a pretty darn conservative record - particularly as a state legislator, and throughout most of his two terms as governor, minus a few compromises he was forced into by huge Dem majorities, and which he fought very hard for concessions from them as well - and minus Cap-n-Trade, which he has thoroughly rebuked.

Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 24, 2011, 10:40:40 PM
Re:#28

Yes, it's a shock.  The left hates her because she is a threat to their very existence which is quite understandable. But then comes your Pop or Charles Krauthammer or an old friend whom you know and trust, and you do a double take. Cognitive dissonance.

Maybe one of our lady contributors can offer insight to this quizzical.


Aside: It sure is nice having new folks around here.


Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: Janny on March 24, 2011, 10:42:37 PM
The word "electable" is not in my vocabulary.  In my opinion the concept was wholly invented by the treasonous leftist media specifically to intimidate real conservatives from running or being nominated.  Electability is determined by the voters on Election Day, not by political pundits.

If I recall correctly, the conventional wisdom held that McCain was the most "electable" of the Republican candidates in 2008.  How did that work out?  He would have lost by 20 points if he hadn't picked Palin as his running mate.

That is exactly how we got stuck with McCain against Obeyme. He was foisted on us as a media darling who was "electable," and you are exactly right that he would've lost by more if it hadn't been for Palin. We know the media will do everything in their power to destroy whatever candidate we put forth on the Republican ticket! That's why we need one with the balls to stand up to them, even if that one is a woman! Z
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: Janny on March 24, 2011, 10:50:01 PM
Re:#28

Yes, it's a shock.  The left hates her because she is a threat to their very existence which is quite understandable. But then comes your Pop or Charles Krauthammer or an old friend whom you know and trust, and you do a double take. Cognitive dissonance.

Maybe one of our lady contributors can offer insight to this quizzical.


Aside: It sure is nice having new folks around here.

I think with Palin it's the case that they know she went against the Republican "establishment" in Alaska and was successful. They don't like that one bit. It is a threat to their power, and they know it! And Bachmann is part of the Tea Party entourage that the "establishment" Republicans just expect to fall into line behind them, and continue on with "more of the same." They will make a huge mistake if they dismiss the Tea Party in that fashion. Krauty has been a big disappointment to me. I still think he's a smart guy, in a lot of ways, but he has a blind spot when it comes to Palin.


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Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 24, 2011, 11:05:03 PM
#33  ::thumbsup::

And you can forget the 'even if she is a woman'.
Krauthammer, even his intellect has difficulty overcoming, his realpolitic, living in Washington handicap.  But the visceral dislike of her by otherwise normal, and relatively conservative folks is a mystery.

Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: Janny on March 24, 2011, 11:16:02 PM
#33  ::thumbsup::

And you can forget the 'even if she is a woman'.
Krauthammer, even his intellect has difficulty overcoming, his realpolitic, living in Washington handicap.  But the visceral dislike of her by otherwise normal, and relatively conservative folks is a mystery.



Yes. I agree. Seems like some otherwise sane conservatives have swallowed the media characterization of her as a stupid hick and a rube, and have bought the SNL/Tina Fey "I can see Russia from my house" type of baloney as reality. Yet, I have noticed when there are polls on conservative sites, Palin usually blows away the rest of the prospective candidates, which makes me believe that at least some of the professed conservatives who oppose her are not really conservatives.
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: Libertas on March 25, 2011, 07:45:58 AM
"some of the professed conservatives who oppose her are not really conservatives"

This isn't hard to figure out...

Who does Palin threaten?  She threatens the Ruling Class.  Who is the Ruling Class?  Some are RINO's we know well, others, the powerbrokers and fat cats in the party that have a vested interest in keeping the crazies out.  Who are the crazies?  Well, they used to be just those evangelical Christians always butting their noses into politics when they should be just keeping out of sight and only coming out to pull levers in voting booths every couple of years for a preset slate of candidates put up largely by the PTB's.  Today the crazies have been expanded to include any maverick and any Tea Party member and activist.  Who are these Ruling Class powerbrokers?  Well, I put The Butthead and all his little Rovian minions at the top of the list!  The MFM is an obvious Ruling Class contributor, whose complicity in making mischief for those upsetting the unnatural order of things will always be a target!  There are more, but I am blathering on too long already and I think y'all can identify the rest anyway.

Let us now contrast Palin with someone who escapes Ruling Class ire...let's take Romney.  Ever see Romney come under withering attack, anything approaching 1% of the vitriol directed Palin's way?  No?  Me neither.  I wonder why that is?  Oh, I know, he doesn't threaten the Ruling Class!

So my job as a liberty-driven citizen has been made immensely easier, thanks to Ruling Class mischief.  Anyone not being skewered by the Ruling Class is my enemy, period.  With the chaff gone, I can now select from the best grains of wheat remaining!
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 25, 2011, 09:47:54 AM
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So my job as a liberty-driven citizen has been made immensely easier, thanks to Ruling Class mischief.  Anyone not being skewered by the Ruling Class is my enemy, period.  With the chaff gone, I can now select from the best grains of wheat remaining!

 ::thumbsup::

Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: LadyVirginia on March 25, 2011, 02:43:54 PM
You know, dammit if I didn't have to deal with that from my own father re; Michele Bachmann. We were talking politics several months back and I brought up how impressed I was with her fearlessness and love for the constitution, and he said, "I don't like her." I said, "Why not?" He said, "Because she's stupid." I said, "She's a federal tax attorney and a foster mother to 23 kids, she's not stupid. She's smart, and has a good heart." He said, "I don't like her." I said, "Gimme an example of why you think she's stupid." He said, "She just is." End of f***ing conversation.

I don't question my dad's character, but I sure question his insight and motivation.

I have the same with my mom and brother re: Palin.  I haven't brought up Bachmann yet but no doubt will get the same response.
Title: Re: Bachmann: Looks like she's really gonna do it.
Post by: Glock32 on March 25, 2011, 03:13:40 PM
One of the media's favorite paragons of banality, Megan McCain, broke us off a nugget of her wisdom with the observation: "Michele Bachmann is a Poor Man's Sarah Palin"

My favorite retort to that comes from ThePeoplesCube.com: "Megan McCain is a Rich Man's Snooki"