It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => General Board => Topic started by: John Florida on November 13, 2012, 07:29:14 PM
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TONIGHT for those of us that didn't know.
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TONIGHT for those of us that didn't know.
What Network again?
eta: Nevermind, got it. National Geographic.
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TONIGHT for those of us that didn't know.
What Network again?
eta: Nevermind, got it. National Geographic.
Yes.
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a little late now
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a little late now
I was watching the show. Where were you? ::oldman::
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Chicken fried rattlesnake, mmm!
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(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kt6t90cYhpg/SqpJnILMO0I/AAAAAAAAAaI/cBuEfzO6w9U/s400/11+ft+Rattler+Odessa+9+09.jpg)
Holy Toledo---this eleven foot rattlesnake was found and killed last Friday at 3rd and Knoxx Street ...in the city of Odessa, Texas! My favorite Aunt lived not far from this on 10th street---with her oil well in their back yard.
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They don't grow that big in Tennessee do they?
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I think the eastern diamondback is more deadly than the western.
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They don't grow that big in Tennessee do they?
I dunno and I don't really care 'cept I heard they're good eating.
Watch where you're walking and you'll be okay -- oh, and don't stick your hands into stuff willy-nilly.
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Is it just me, or are they trying even harder this season to make preppers look like idiots?
A teenage boy who steals stuff?
Worried about Category 5 Tornadoes and storing everything in glass jars?
Worried about sea-rise, moving to the TX desert, fertilizing directly from the septic, an being afraid of rattle snakes?
Worried about Radiation and being willing to stand in a tree in the fall out? No radiation protection bunker ?
Worried about Smallpox but you want to take half of your house - including the chicken coop- to some other location before they lock down the quarantine? Build a chicken coop up there. Put at least half of the food up there.
I'll bet everyone Nat Geo tried to get for this season was worried about financial collapse, and they were forced to say they were worried about something else. But remember FEW people think a economic collapse is coming. Its just a few nutso people like Ann Barnhardt, most of my friends, everyone on Zero hedge, and at least half the people on this forum. Ron Paul and Paul Ryan probably also fit in that category, but they are politicians so they are genuinely insane.
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I think the eastern diamondback is more deadly than the western.
That is true. It is, in fact, the most venomous snake in North America. It only lives in the coastal plain of the Southeast. Tennessee would more likely be timber rattlesnake country.
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Is it just me, or are they trying even harder this season to make preppers look like idiots?
A teenage boy who steals stuff?
Worried about Category 5 Tornadoes and storing everything in glass jars?
Worried about sea-rise, moving to the TX desert, fertilizing directly from the septic, an being afraid of rattle snakes?
Worried about Radiation and being willing to stand in a tree in the fall out? No radiation protection bunker ?
Worried about Smallpox but you want to take half of your house - including the chicken coop- to some other location before they lock down the quarantine? Build a chicken coop up there. Put at least half of the food up there.
I'll bet everyone Nat Geo tried to get for this season was worried about financial collapse, and they were forced to say they were worried about something else. But remember FEW people think a economic collapse is coming. Its just a few nutso people like Ann Barnhardt, most of my friends, everyone on Zero hedge, and at least half the people on this forum. Ron Paul and Paul Ryan probably also fit in that category, but they are politicians so they are genuinely insane.
I agree; it looks to me like the reasons for prepping, according to NatGeo, are getting more strange. It does pain me some to watch the show, though. When I see what food people have put away, I feel the overwhelming urge to go shopping. Again.
I'll tell you this as well: another poster on my local forum is making repeated and strenuous attempts -- using math -- to draw the Lefties into a discussion of the coming crash and they are so convinced everything is going to be fine, they won't even discuss it.
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I think the eastern diamondback is more deadly than the western.
That is true. It is, in fact, the most venomous snake in North America. It only lives in the coastal plain of the Southeast. Tennessee would more likely be timber rattlesnake country.
Crotalus horridus, we have 'em in S.E. Minnie -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crotalus_horridus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crotalus_horridus)
"Typical" range map here -
http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7147.html (http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7147.html)
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surfing through my twitter feed last night I saw one woman who commented that she watched the preppers show so she'd know who to steal from when the time came. No doubt she thought she was clever in her comment.
I almost replied to her that she better be ready for a gun fight. But then I figuired I'd get reported for threatening her.
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Besides, you wouldn't want to spoil the surprise she has in store. ;)
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surfing through my twitter feed last night I saw one woman who commented that she watched the preppers show so she'd know who to steal from when the time came. No doubt she thought she was clever in her comment.
I almost replied to her that she better be ready for a gun fight. But then I figuired I'd get reported for threatening her.
Yeah? And she assumes she's going to be able to get there how?
There was that group on last season who hadn't armed up 'cause they didn't believe in it, although .... they did have one guy who admitted he'd poison those like that twitter lady, so .......
When I first started talking to people about prepping a couple-few years ago, many people would tell me, "Jeez; I'm coming to your house if something happens". Come to think of it, a few of the tradesmen made the same remark when they realized the garage is mostly hurricane-proof and tornado-resistant. As though I'd be saying, "sure, come right in". And there may have been a time when I would have. But not today.
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Besides, you wouldn't want to spoil the surprise she has in store. ;)
sort of what I was thinking too
There was that group on last season who hadn't armed up 'cause they didn't believe in it
huh?
I didn't see it last year so I hadn't realize that was an option lol
seems like if you're going to prep you need to be ready to protect it
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There was that group on last season who hadn't armed up 'cause they didn't believe in it, although .... they did have one guy who admitted he'd poison those like that twitter lady, so .......When I first started talking to people about prepping a couple-few years ago, many people would tell me, "Jeez; I'm coming to your house if something happens".
The first rule of prepping is don't talk about prepping - at least not with anyone who could easily find you. With that said, there are alliances that need to be made with people you trust. Some were not ready to "go to that level yet" and even made that statement- "I know where to come". I looked them dead in the eye and said "No. You Don't. If you show up you better show up with something more valuable than you to add to the pot. I am not prepping for anyone but me, and I am not making stone soup. They are getting more serious now that the election has proven the course, so maybe it won't be an issue.
The people on that show are at heart liberals. They have a psychotic need to be admired and loved by others. They need other people to see what they are doing so they can feed their own ego. Pretend they are still the "cool kids" - In a way my place here being in the open is a form of camouflage. I look like I liberal. Solar, greenhouse etc front and center. I have worried from day one about the security aspects of this place, but that feeling when we found it was so strong, I have to just trust that it was right, that God was guiding us, and that this is where we are supposed to be.
As such, the reasons being given MAY be genuine and just the result of tortured liberal logic. F5 tornados? Global Warming. Sea Level rise? Global Warming (but even in that one he acted like it would happen overnight and everyone would flee the cities in 24 hours..)
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huh?
I didn't see it last year so I hadn't realize that was an option lol
seems like if you're going to prep you need to be ready to protect it
Doomsday Preppers - Doris Day of Doom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91RNXkwTQco#ws)
You see, we have a "Community" that "respects" each other, and no one here would take advantage of us. As a liberal, you don't respect my inalienable rights, but expect everyone will respect yours. Then the young man helping her makes it clear that he will act friendly and invite marauders to a feast and then poison them if he couldn't use them. And by the way Doris Day, I am sure he will do the same to you the first day he doesn't need you either. The only thing Liberals respect in their own selfish desires, and the only reason they don't kill everyone they meet is because they have a need to feel like they are superior to others. Their "community" is superior you see. They will watch each others backs-- because that way its easier to stab you in the back when you aren't looking. They don't need Guns because they will destroy each other in a crisis long before any armed marauders show up. They ALL know who to steal form when the time comes.
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There was that group on last season who hadn't armed up 'cause they didn't believe in it, although .... they did have one guy who admitted he'd poison those like that twitter lady, so .......When I first started talking to people about prepping a couple-few years ago, many people would tell me, "Jeez; I'm coming to your house if something happens".
The first rule of prepping is don't talk about prepping - at least not with anyone who could easily find you. With that said, there are alliances that need to be made with people you trust. Some were not ready to "go to that level yet" and even made that statement- "I know where to come". I looked them dead in the eye and said "No. You Don't. If you show up you better show up with something more valuable than you to add to the pot. I am not prepping for anyone but me, and I am not making stone soup. They are getting more serious now that the election has proven the course, so maybe it won't be an issue.
The people on that show are at heart liberals. They have a psychotic need to be admired and loved by others. They need other people to see what they are doing so they can feed their own ego. Pretend they are still the "cool kids" - In a way my place here being in the open is a form of camouflage. I look like I liberal. Solar, greenhouse etc front and center. I have worried from day one about the security aspects of this place, but that feeling when we found it was so strong, I have to just trust that it was right, that God was guiding us, and that this is where we are supposed to be.
As such, the reasons being given MAY be genuine and just the result of tortured liberal logic. F5 tornados? Global Warming. Sea Level rise? Global Warming (but even in that one he acted like it would happen overnight and everyone would flee the cities in 24 hours..)
Yep. I got there sooner rather than later. It doesn't take many of those kind of comments before you start sharing more circumspectly.
You can drive yourself crazy second-guessing yourself, Weisshaupt.
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Shouldn't that vid title read "The Doris the Dumbass of Prepping"? ::)
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You can drive yourself crazy second-guessing yourself, Weisshaupt.
Too late. Besides, going insane might be the best way to deal with this at this point. Its not so much second-guessing as its first-guessing. I have a pile of money I MUST to do something with or loose it. Its a good problem to have, but still taxing on me and my mind anyway. Do I take on a mortgage? Do I buy a bigger place here? Do I buy a bigger place elsewhere? Do I try to pull up all the stakes and start all over elsewhere?
Trying to decide what is best for me and my family is killing me. I am hoping work is slow enough today I can wander up to the hill behind us and just sit still looking out at God's creation and pray a while. Michelle is equally confused, but I get the feeling she would rather me just keep working and cow-tow to these jerks till the collapse. And she is probably right that is what is best for her and for my family. I just don't like it. Like Inara, "she fogs things up."
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me (than a frontal lobotomy) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr-kn0JG5p4#)
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Same here, Weisshaupt (except for the fogging up part).
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Your greenhouse is valuable to you therefore it is valuable to other prepper minded folk. Look for that person, sell it, and move to Tennessee. It's beautiful country and by looking at that election map and Don's words you will not have question of your neighbors. Kindred spirits.
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The people I worry about are those very close to retirement and they have their retirement savings in 401K and IRA. My parents are in that boat. I am worried about them losing their retirement savings either due to total currency debasement, or outright theft by our rogue government. Either seems an entirely plausible possibility within the next 2 years.
The problem is in convincing them what else to do with that money. Some sort of real property or useful commodity item seems a better place to put their money than leaving it in any sort of financial instrument.
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The problem is in convincing them what else to do with that money. Some sort of real property or useful commodity item seems a better place to put their money than leaving it in any sort of financial instrument.
That's the problem, the insecurity. Put your cash into a .025CD, the cost of maintaining real property is persistent and in the time frame of a retired person quite possibly a negative return. Put it in some sort of financial instrument where the only investors are computers. Folks like your parents and those retired who in a sane world would be in OK shape are now on tenterhooks. Today, everything is high speculation.
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Your greenhouse is valuable to you therefore it is valuable to other prepper minded folk. Look for that person, sell it, and move to Tennessee. It's beautiful country and by looking at that election map and Don's words you will not have question of your neighbors. Kindred spirits.
Even among true Conservatives, there are a lot of people unconvinced violence will be required or that a disaster is bearing down upon us. There are liberals in TN, just like everywhere else. The Fed is in TN, just like everywhere else. Also if we all congregate in a state before succession, that just makes it easier to target us for persecution.
I am sure I could sell the place to another prep minded individual - or just a liberal greenie hippie - But it will be a losing proposition. They may value the greenhouse - but not as much as the money we put into it. Same with the solar, with the shed, with the barn.. and that doesn't even take into account the time we have spent. Even with unlimited funds, getting a new place up to snuff to just match what we have would take months, and that is assuming I pay to have it done for me- which I can't afford. Solar won't work as well in TN, and the climate requires us to learn all new gardening skills. Doing so would be a huge undertaking, and I have to make sure the payoff makes sense. Most of the people directly around me are retired conservatives - many are ex -military or police. We have the hippies too of course... older couples from elsewhere who retired here, or more often, are snow-birds, and the usual assortment of vacation-home types - and a large number of the Obama votes were probably liberals with two homes deciding they can vote twice. County is largely conservative/libertarian and with a sparse populations .. Commissioner etc were GOP and ran unopposed. Demographically its an older crowd - and as Obamacare kicks in, medical services in rural areas will suffer. Over the long term its hard to predict where the demographics will go. But Long term (more than 10 years) may be irrelevant at this point.
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Weisshaupt, you do the best you can and hopefully that experience/knowledge passes to your children.
That's one of the things lacking today-- knowledge passed down through the family.
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The problem is in convincing them what else to do with that money. Some sort of real property or useful commodity item seems a better place to put their money than leaving it in any sort of financial instrument.
Can you convince them to listen to Ann Barnhardt's primer? We are rapidly advancing towards a world where if it isn't in your immediate possession and you aren't holding a gun, then you don't own it. MF Global is all of the proof you need of that. Buy 24k gold Chain, sell a few links at a time if and when you need to. It won't make you money. It WILL ensure you have something. Food, ammo, and Guns should also be on the list.
My libtard mother has all of her retirement in such accounts. Told me I was a fool for worrying about it- after all, "its never happened before" and "America is Wealthy." - and really my Conservative step father says the same. They are immune to math or common sense. When I cut my mother off from me and mine, she even bothered to threaten me with cutting off my inheritance. As if money would buy what my love for her would not, providing I expected there would be any money left. People like my mother and stepdad are going to be everywhere, and blaming people like us. If a real panic gets started, and it might now that the election woke up a lot of people, the 401K drain and the cash looking for goods could start the real inflation. We will have one high GDP year of taxes and Prepper consumption and then it all falls down.
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surfing through my twitter feed last night I saw one woman who commented that she watched the preppers show so she'd know who to steal from when the time came. No doubt she thought she was clever in her comment.
I almost replied to her that she better be ready for a gun fight. But then I figuired I'd get reported for threatening her.
What you're supposed to say is "I heard someone say that some of those preppers are armed and that the smell of patchouli oil makes them crazy"
;)
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This one stopped me in my tracks. that woman could be my sister - and the boy-man could be my nephew. They're the softest-right of the family and own no guns, do Suzy-homemaker stuff but no prepping, and maintain a blissfully-ignorant view of the world.
Hell no - she ain't coming over to my house when the SHTF!
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This one stopped me in my tracks. that woman could be my sister - and the boy-man could be my nephew. They're the softest-right of the family and own no guns, do Suzy-homemaker stuff but no prepping, and maintain a blissfully-ignorant view of the world.
Hell no - she ain't coming over to my house when the SHTF!
Hell yeah she will, unless you make things clear.
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This one stopped me in my tracks. that woman could be my sister - and the boy-man could be my nephew. They're the softest-right of the family and own no guns, do Suzy-homemaker stuff but no prepping, and maintain a blissfully-ignorant view of the world.
Hell no - she ain't coming over to my house when the SHTF!
Hell yeah she will, unless you make things clear.
You can bet on that.
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This one stopped me in my tracks. that woman could be my sister - and the boy-man could be my nephew. They're the softest-right of the family and own no guns, do Suzy-homemaker stuff but no prepping, and maintain a blissfully-ignorant view of the world.
Hell no - she ain't coming over to my house when the SHTF!
Hell yeah she will, unless you make things clear.
Done.
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Your greenhouse is valuable to you therefore it is valuable to other prepper minded folk. Look for that person, sell it, and move to Tennessee. It's beautiful country and by looking at that election map and Don's words you will not have question of your neighbors. Kindred spirits.
Even among true Conservatives, there are a lot of people unconvinced violence will be required or that a disaster is bearing down upon us. There are liberals in TN, just like everywhere else. The Fed is in TN, just like everywhere else. Also if we all congregate in a state before succession, that just makes it easier to target us for persecution.
I am sure I could sell the place to another prep minded individual - or just a liberal greenie hippie - But it will be a losing proposition. They may value the greenhouse - but not as much as the money we put into it. Same with the solar, with the shed, with the barn.. and that doesn't even take into account the time we have spent. Even with unlimited funds, getting a new place up to snuff to just match what we have would take months, and that is assuming I pay to have it done for me- which I can't afford. Solar won't work as well in TN, and the climate requires us to learn all new gardening skills. Doing so would be a huge undertaking, and I have to make sure the payoff makes sense. Most of the people directly around me are retired conservatives - many are ex -military or police. We have the hippies too of course... older couples from elsewhere who retired here, or more often, are snow-birds, and the usual assortment of vacation-home types - and a large number of the Obama votes were probably liberals with two homes deciding they can vote twice. County is largely conservative/libertarian and with a sparse populations .. Commissioner etc were GOP and ran unopposed. Demographically its an older crowd - and as Obamacare kicks in, medical services in rural areas will suffer. Over the long term its hard to predict where the demographics will go. But Long term (more than 10 years) may be irrelevant at this point.
I love the area I live. We vote 70 percent conservative and I'd appreciate more like minded people to move this way......but ( there is always a but) Weisshaupt is 100 percent correct with his analysis that most either don't understand or don't believe the disaster which awaits.
Case in point. Family gathering. Large group, maybe 40. Not one voted for Obama. The subject of the election comes up and I ask what others are doing to prepare for the implosion. I get a puzzled look. Most do not believe they need to prepare. I told them what I was doing, simple stuff. I get this " look" from the group....you know the facial expressions, as if thier protected lives will not be affected. It seems only my brother and I take this serious. I found myself defending my actions, until I realized it wasn't worth it.
We are not far enough along in the implosion to get their attention. I believe some will come around and it's still better than being surrounded by liberals, but in the heart of one of the most conservative areas in Tennessee, most are in denial, believe it couldn't happen in America. They think their money is safe in banks, thier 401 k is untouchable by an over reaching govt.
Head in the sand mentality.
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We are not far enough along in the implosion to get their attention. I believe some will come around and it's still better than being surrounded by liberals, but in the heart of one of the most conservative areas in Tennessee, most are in denial, believe it couldn't happen in America. They think their money is safe in banks, their 401 k is untouchable by an over reaching govt.
Head in the sand mentality.
And those same people will become as potentially as bad as liberals when everything is wiped away. Really that is what Obama is depending on- the the desperation he creates will give him the free reign to trample our rights that FDR had. That beggars are easier to please. You need other preppers. Others who are awake and understand what now must be done.. As part of that you must accept that you are going to have to leave some behind. "The Mule only runs with Five"
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I was thinking at least another couple or a group is almost a necessity. Most don't have one; where do the others find it? Some have siblings.
Then I realized we all have a group .... right here. Too bad we're spread all over the country.
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I was thinking at least another couple or a group is almost a necessity. Most don't have one; where do the others find it? Some have siblings.
Then I realized we all have a group .... right here. Too bad we're spread all over the country.
Aye.
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So everyone should move to Tennessee then.
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We've discussed this before. I (we) have a group here. A little land and a list of what to bring when it hits the fan. But over the last two years, we have splintered a little. Our doc is gone. Moved. One of my brothers divorced and has lost some desire. My neighbor is moving. One of the parcels of land we had......my stinkin brother sold. Still have 38 acres, but it is located on the interstate and you can be seen.
We may be able to form when we actually see the enevitable, but I'm coming to the conclusion I better be ready to move and not rely on others. I'm more concerned about contact after.
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Sorry your group is dissembling.
Only those closest to you and part of that is
the closeness allows you know them, that's what
they say about getting married too.
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I was thinking at least another couple or a group is almost a necessity. Most don't have one; where do the others find it? Some have siblings.
Then I realized we all have a group .... right here. Too bad we're spread all over the country.
Yeah, I would be happy to partner up - but at this point its going to have to be Colorado or a surrounding State.
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So everyone should move to Tennessee then.
OK.
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I'm stuck. I either have to strike out alone or stay where I am, I doubt I can convince many (if any others) to move somewhere else, it's hard enough to get them to agree to prepare to the extent that we have...and the ones with kids...ufda...
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