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Topics => Faith & Family => Topic started by: Libertas on February 11, 2013, 06:06:50 AM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21411304 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21411304)
First Pope to resign in over 600 years. Now the horse-trading begins...
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Is this the fulfillment of the prophesy of Father Malachy?
Working my way through a book, Petrus Romanus. (Little bit of woo woo?)
Father Malachy prophesied that there would only be 112 popes with Benedict the 111th.
The 112th would usher in the Anti-Christ.
Supposedly, he gave accurate descriptions of every Pope that followed his current Pope that is claimed to be surprisingly accurate.
The book said Petrus Romanus would be here in 2012. Pretty close
I don't know if it's true but there sure seem to be enough other indicators we're heading for the End Times
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A Vatican spokesman, Father Federico Lombardi, said that even Pope Benedict's closest aides did not know what he was planning to do and were left "incredulous". He added that the decision showed "great courage" and "determination".
A courageous quitter - now there's an example for the kiddies. Perhaps we should all try that?
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Obama will honor the Pope's service by posting a picture of himself lighting a candle at a Catholic church.
Neal Bortz
::thinking::
::hysterical::
::angel::
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If anyone is interested in the book, here's a link to the author's site
http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/ (http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/)
It looks like it is serialized
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I'm not a Catholic so this story is of very limited interest to me but...if I had to guess I would be guessing that he is experiencing the onset of dementia and has decided, while he still can, to resign now so that the church may be led by someone who can properly fulfill the duties of the position.
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Is this the fulfillment of the prophesy of Father Malachy?
Working my way through a book, Petrus Romanus. (Little bit of woo woo?)
Father Malachy prophesied that there would only be 112 popes with Benedict the 111th.
The 112th would usher in the Anti-Christ.
Supposedly, he gave accurate descriptions of every Pope that followed his current Pope that is claimed to be surprisingly accurate.
The book said Petrus Romanus would be here in 2012. Pretty close
I don't know if it's true but there sure seem to be enough other indicators we're heading for the End Times
That's a tough call...hoping Malachy took a wee bit more libations than he should have and hoping he got it wrong or saying what the heck and get on with battling evil...I think there is a case to be made either way.
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Obama will honor the Pope's service by posting a picture of himself lighting a candle at a Catholic church.
Neal Bortz
::thinking::
::hysterical::
::angel::
OK, now that there is just plain funny, I don't care who you are!
::hysterical::
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Trap, I understand your lack of interest.
For me, I am not Catholic either and in normal times, it would be just an event that happens.
I do believe in the possibility that this is a significant event. A dot.
I am a mild skeptic but there are many things that point to this becoming the End Times
Add in Johnathan Cahn's The Harbinger and we may be headed to interesting times
I'm not strongly religious but do believe the real battle is a supernatural one between the forces of Light and Darkness.
God and Satan.
Our battles here for freedo0m and liberty are part of that war
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I'm a lapsed Catholic and I have to admit this news has made me very uneasy, for reasons I can't explain.
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A Vatican spokesman, Father Federico Lombardi, said that even Pope Benedict's closest aides did not know what he was planning to do and were left "incredulous". He added that the decision showed "great courage" and "determination".
A courageous quitter - now there's an example for the kiddies. Perhaps we should all try that?
There is a strong Leftist faction in the Church and in the Vatican. If he is indeed suffering from dementia, or isn't strong enough to fight them, it *is* best he resign lest words and deeds be done under color of his name with few being the wiser.
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I am not Catholic either, but I will go ahead and make this prediction: the next Pope will be non-European. Now, you could say that would be sensible considering the large Catholic populations in South America, the Philippines, and so on, but I think we know that's not why they'd choose one.
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A Vatican spokesman, Father Federico Lombardi, said that even Pope Benedict's closest aides did not know what he was planning to do and were left "incredulous". He added that the decision showed "great courage" and "determination".
A courageous quitter - now there's an example for the kiddies. Perhaps we should all try that?
There is a strong Leftist faction in the Church and in the Vatican. If he is indeed suffering from dementia, or isn't strong enough to fight them, it *is* best he resign lest words and deeds be done under color of his name with few being the wiser.
Full disclosure: I'm not Catholic
I am generally loathe to make value judgments on anyone elses religion (throwing stones and all that). Even with CC I gave him space to herald his chosen faith. that said, the Catholic Church has serious problems and will become irrelevant (or worse) within our lifetimes if they do not change course. The fact that they have not distanced themselves from the likes of john kerry (did you know he served in Viet Nam?!) and Nazi Pelosi should be proof enough that they are living a paradox of hypocrisy or cognitive dissonance at the very least.
This is nothing new or substantially different than other major Christian sects expect for the fact that they are the "big dogs" and consequently have a greater effect and influence on public perception. I am aware of the influence and sway that the libtards have within the church and of course that's troubling since everything the left touches, they turn to liquid baby-crap.
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The Candiean feller is odds on favorite, but I could see an African, the Dark Continent is ripe for pandering to. which is hilarious since a lot of the more radical countries like slaughtering Christians, not that a African Pope would stem that slaughter...
::)
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Hmm, not the best image one could hope for -
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/11/article-2276884-17841A9A000005DC-22_634x815.jpg)
Pope Resigns, few hours later lightning strikes St.Peter's dome (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276884/Pope-Benedict-XVI-resigns-First-Pontiff-600-years-stand-longer-strength-carry-on.html#axzz2KhcAxTdC)
::speechless:: ::exitstageleft::
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The new front-runner - Cardinal Peter Turkson of Ghana.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/9866227/Pope-resigns-Peter-Turkson-reveals-vision-for-the-Church-and-alternative-lifestyles.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/9866227/Pope-resigns-Peter-Turkson-reveals-vision-for-the-Church-and-alternative-lifestyles.html)
"Cardinal Turkson has caused controversy in the past both by screening a video claiming that Europe faced being overrun by Muslims and by insisting that condoms were not the solution to preventing HIV."
That'll tork off the liberals!
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Of course. The US elected the first Black ::snort:: President so now we all simply must have the first Black Pope or we're not evolving properly.
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Of course. The US elected the first Black ::snort:: President so now we all simply must have the first Black Pope or we're not evolving properly.
That was my first thought when I saw the potential new guys picture, but I didn't want to be accused of being a raaaacist.
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Interesting read, nothing earth-shattering, but perhpas I am less inclined to be surprised by machinations within the Vatican, it has been so for centuries.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/pope-benedict-xvis-leaked-documents-show-fractured-vatican-full-of-rivalries/2013/02/16/23ce0280-76c2-11e2-8f84-3e4b513b1a13_print.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/pope-benedict-xvis-leaked-documents-show-fractured-vatican-full-of-rivalries/2013/02/16/23ce0280-76c2-11e2-8f84-3e4b513b1a13_print.html)
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An African Christian, having survived in that slaughterous
hell hole, may be just what the Church needs.
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A good purging and cleansing is perhaps warranted.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/21/pope-retired-amid-gay-bishop-blackmail-inquiry (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/21/pope-retired-amid-gay-bishop-blackmail-inquiry)
Just when you think a story can't get worse, it does. ::)
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"united by sexual orientation"
The Church will either get its act together or it will fail.
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Ann Barnhardt's been ranting about the homos in the Church for a long time now.
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I've been wading through the book Petrus Romanus.
Probably not 1/4 of the way through yet
There is a lot of deep stuff (some of it sounds like woo woo)
But there is a lot of background .
It ain't a fast read
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Vatican denies homosexer cabal, well really, given the past misdeeds what are they gonna do, announce there is an issue with homosexers?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/23/vatican-pope-gay-conclave-reports (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/23/vatican-pope-gay-conclave-reports)
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Per Ann Barnhardt:
"... I have it from a good source that ...
The 300 page dossier by the three cardinals on the homosexual mafia and the homosexual cardinals WILL BE READ ALOUD AT THE CONCLAVE in the presence of ALL of the voting cardinals with NAMES NAMED after the oath of secrecy is taken.
These recent resignations of cardinals may very well be the sodomites running scared.
And yes, the Vatican sodomites are tied to the Vatican bank. Are we really shocked that sexual perversion and financial crimes are linked? You people who are STILL falling for the "what people do in their sex lives doesn't matter" meme have got to wake up. Sex, be it homo or hetero, DOES MATTER. Bill Clinton's escapades with Monica DID MATTER, because if a person can operate in the realm of sexuality with zero morality, shame or remorse, what do you think that implies about their business dealings, political dealings or their general psychological state? Sexual perversion and promiscuity are directly correlated to sociopathy and psychopathy. Sane people don't treat other people like pieces of meat. Sane people don't treat themselves like pieces of meat. Sane people regard other people as subjects, not objects. Sane people have consciences. Sane people have standards of decency and are repelled by sexual perversion.
It's on, y'all. The Holy Spirit is on the move. When I was in the Sistine Chapel alone for those 20 minutes back in December, I stood at the foot of the altar, looking at the Last Judgment, and prayed (after the Judica Me) that the Holy Spirit would do SOMETHING at the next conclave to deliver the Church from the Marxist-homosexualist infiltrators - having NO FATHOM that it would be a matter of weeks and it would be on like Donkey Kong.
Oh, and the sodomites and their Marxist allies are learning that if you're going to play chess with a Bavarian rocking a buck-eighty IQ, YOU. WILL. LOSE."
Wouldn't it be refreshing if just once -- ONCE -- something happened to renew our faith in Truth.
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Wouldn't it be refreshing if just once -- ONCE -- something happened to renew our faith in Truth.
I pray near daily that the truth becomes evident even for the lowest of low info voters.
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Last day for Benedict XVI.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21612229 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21612229)
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Conclave delayed? Some Cardinals po'd that leaks of homosexer issues in their ranks, yes, we'll punish you by not electing someone! There, take that!
::saywhat::
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/06/us-pope-succession-idUSBRE9240XW20130306 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/06/us-pope-succession-idUSBRE9240XW20130306)
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Devil's winning this round the world over.
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Devil's winning this round the world over.
We who believe in the Holy Bible should not be surprised, even if we are dismayed.
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He's already lost the war though.
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He's already lost the war though.
Exactly.
And I don't know that I'd draw the conclusions from the Reuter's piece that you have, Libertas, about the reason for the delay in the conclave. The powers that be are trying to enforce the "confidentiality clause" about the proceedings or opinions about same, and it appears one group is the problem:
American cardinals who had been scheduled to hold their third media briefing in as many days canceled it less than an hour before it was to have started at Rome's North American College, where they are residing.
... In their briefings, the American cardinals did not disclose specifics but spoke generally about the proceedings as well as of their hopes and concerns about the state of the Catholic Church at a crucial time in its history.
... Asked about the cancellation of the U.S. briefing, Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said the pre-conclave meetings, known as general congregations, had to take place in a "climate of confidentiality".
I'm sure there's no love lost by Reuter's for the American contingent, nor for the Church, hence "The preliminary meetings are taking place as the crisis involving sexual abuse of children by priests and inappropriate behavior among adult clerics continues to haunt the Church and has rarely been out of the headlines", but the Americans are the ones giving media briefings -- rock-stars that they think they are. If those from any other country are doing so, I haven't seen any word about it. Nor have I seen any sexual abuse headlines "haunting" the Church lately either.
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Americans have been conditioned to think "blow by blow",
"play by play" cometary is normal - they have no sense
of decorum or propriety. Low information Cardinals divorced
from the Church.
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So my linking of the homosexer cabal in the Church, the denials of such by high ranking Vatican officials and issues of confidentiality are off base?
::facepalm::
But I understand why they might be concerned about what kind of agenda the liberal American Cardinals might be up to, I'm guessing the few in that contingent that are not liberal probably warned the appropriate people pulling the conclave together.
Since secrecy is their right and essential to their proceedings...well, by the time we know anything or who they picked and why it is a done deal anyway...
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So my linking of the homosexer cabal in the Church, the denials of such by high ranking Vatican officials and issues of confidentiality are off base?
::facepalm::
No, not at all. I just disagreed with the "punishment" aspect of what you wrote --
"Some Cardinals po'd that leaks of homosexer issues in their ranks, yes, we'll punish you by not electing someone!"
--- because it appears to me they're trying to at last get a handle on the homosexers and their activities.
But I understand why they might be concerned about what kind of agenda the liberal American Cardinals might be up to, I'm guessing the few in that contingent that are not liberal probably warned the appropriate people pulling the conclave together.
Since secrecy is their right and essential to their proceedings...well, by the time we know anything or who they picked and why it is a done deal anyway...
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There I go, being a smartass again.
Is there such a thing as smartasses anonymous?
Screw it, I wouldn't go anyway! Nothing wrong with me! ;D
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Take two fishing poles, the day off from work and you'll feel better in the morning.
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Take two fishing poles, the day off from work and you'll feel better in the morning.
Um....would you be MY Doctor too?
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Doc Charles. ::thumbsup::
No gubmint insurance welcome! ;)
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Doc Charles. ::thumbsup::
No gubmint insurance welcome! ;)
Ha! A fish a day keeps the doc away.
And Pan from knocking at your door.
::exitstageleft::
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Tuesday
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/08/conclave-to-elect-new-pope-will-start-tuesday/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/08/conclave-to-elect-new-pope-will-start-tuesday/)
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"Scottish Cardinal Keith O’Brien, who resigned last week after admitting to inappropriate sexual misconduct."
Timely resignation, eh? I hope and I'm gonna' pray that they use this occasion to decide to and elect a Pope who will clean house of this "inappropriate" behavior within the Church. Maybe they will also elect to dissallow the CINOs aka. Kerry, Pelosi and their kind communion.
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I heard another case was settled out in LA, another $10m in tithes redirected to victims.
In other news, I guess the conclave has sent black smoke up the chute twice now.
It will be interesting if we see white smoke on the 13th (at least it isn't Friday, right?), the 14th (Pi Day 3.1415926535) or the 15th (The Ides of March)?
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Rush mentioned at the top of his show that if an American is made Pope it is a sign that we have declined in world status... ::facepalm::
I think he's on to something.
America in decline is "winning" in libiot minds...
::unknowncomic::
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I think that's a very astute observation. It would be unthinkable for them to pick an American when we were at our peak and confident about who and what we are. They've always had daggers out for us when we're doing well. For them to consider an American is an acknowledgment that we are being sufficiently brought down to size.
The American moment is over. We could have been colonizing space by now, but instead we wasted trillions and trillions on an unwinnable "war on poverty". Now we're just another hand wringing, navel gazing has-been. Another civilization rotted out from the inside by the cultural virus of Leftism.
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Yeah.
I remember on old Sci-Fi flick, people fleeing the earth in a rocket ship they built (I think they might have been going to Venus or Mars or something, back then they thought such bodies could sustain life)...
Ohh to have that option...
Oh well, here's to the bitter end. ::beertoast::
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White smoke!
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(http://hosted.ap.org/photos/1/11754e4f-678d-47ea-9752-7e86ac9cfc7c-small.jpg)
White smoke on the roof top...da da daa, da da daa daaa da da da daa daaa...
Speculatin' it is the Italian guy.
Live feed of balcony -
http://www.cbsnews.com/2718-202_162-2116/live-vatican-smoke-cam/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/2718-202_162-2116/live-vatican-smoke-cam/)
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Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio
76 year old Argentinian supposedly taking the name "Francis".
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/03/10/cardinal-jorge-mario-bergoglio/1976847/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/03/10/cardinal-jorge-mario-bergoglio/1976847/)
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If anybody calls him Francis, he'll kill you.
::laserkill::
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Or, even if you just touch his stuff! ::speechless::
Lighten up, Francis! ::hysterical::
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Well, he did have to go back to the hotel and get his stuff in person. He wasn't about to let his people do it for him.
::thinking::
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Ann B., is bent out of shape.
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Too bad you guys couldn't get along with Catholic Crusader.
We could have had a lot of fun with him
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Ann B., is bent out of shape.
Ann B. is always bent out of shape on religious matters. I have seen her comments on Jesuits before, so when I heard this new pope is a member of the Jesuit Order I knew she'd have a lengthy missive about how much he sucks.
Should be interesting watching her reconcile it with her belief in papal infallibility.
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Too bad you guys couldn't get along with Catholic Crusader.
We could have had a lot of fun with him
What's this "you guys" crap? ::pokeineye::
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Ann B., is bent out of shape.
I read that, too, CO, and I can't say I blame her if even half of what she says about the new Pope is true.
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AP, it wasn't we who couldn't get along with 'Crusader -- God knows, we tried -- he couldn't get along with us.
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http://barnhardt.biz/ (http://barnhardt.biz/)
Oh, and what Pan said...both times.
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He was just misunderstood and "you guys" abused him ::)
If a little more patience would have been shown, think of how much more abuse we could have heaped on him.
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He was just misunderstood and "you guys" abused him ::)
If a little more patience would have been shown, think of how much more abuse we could have heaped on him.
::stirpot:: 'eh?