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Topics => Radical Islam/GWOT => Topic started by: trapeze on May 01, 2013, 03:11:12 AM

Title: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: trapeze on May 01, 2013, 03:11:12 AM
Remember that unscheduled meeting with the Saudi foreign minister?

It was two days after the Boston bombing...

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama met with Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal at the White House on Wednesday and discussed the conflict in Syria, a spokeswoman said.

The meeting was not on Obama's public schedule.

That meeting makes a lot more sense in light of this: (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2317493/Saudi-official-Kingdom-warned-United-States-IN-WRITING-Boston-Bomber-Tamerlan-Tsarnaev-2012-rejected-application-entry-visa-visit-Mecca-2011.html)

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The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia sent a written warning about accused Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security in 2012, long before pressure-cooker blasts killed three and injured hundreds, according to a senior Saudi government official with direct knowledge of the document.

The Saudi warning, the official told MailOnline, was separate from the multiple red flags raised by Russian intelligence in 2011, and was based on human intelligence developed independently in Yemen.

Citing security concerns, the Saudi government also denied an entry visa to the elder Tsarnaev brother in December 2011, when he hoped to make a pilgrimage to Mecca, the source said. Tsarnaev's plans to visit Saudi Arabia have not been previously disclosed.

The Saudis' warning to the U.S. government was also shared with the British government. 'It was very specific’ and warned that 'something was going to happen in a major U.S. city,' the Saudi official said during an extensive interview.

It 'did name Tamerlan specifically,' he added. The 'government-to-government' letter, which he said was sent to the Department of Homeland Security at the highest level, did not name Boston or suggest a date for his planned attack.

In a normal and rational world this story would have the words, "special prosecutor" and "coverup" and "impeachment" written all over it.

And I am sure that the US MFM will do everything in their power to shield little Barry from this. I have no doubt.

The implications here are staggering.

Before the bombing they knew. And they did nothing. That part can be safely tagged to that Napolitano troll.

But...

After the bombing, they knew. They knew and they decided to cover up that they had known and did nothing. They let their surrogate monkeys in the MFM blame their usual favorite suspects for the better part of a week before their hand was forced by the stupidity of the perpetrators (getting into an un-winnable gunfight).

They were going to let them escape from Boston and go to New York with a car full of IEDs because they knew about it in advance, did nothing, and then decided to cover up that they had known by playing stupid about who did it.

They allowed an MIT cop to be murdered because they knew who did it and decided that, politically, it was best for them to pretend that they really didn't know who the bombers were.

Watergate, unlike Fast & Furious, Benghazi and now Boston, didn't have any dead bodies as part of the crime and the coverup.

When will the cumulative weight of the dead force the MFM to cover these stories the way that they demand to be covered? Like criminal cases. Like corruption at the highest levels of power.

How long will Barry be able to convincingly claim that he just doesn't know jack sh*t about anything that happens "at the highest levels?"

I pray it's not much longer. And I hope that someone can finger Biden, too.

The evil. It's getting heavy.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: trapeze on May 01, 2013, 03:43:01 AM
True to form, the O'Bongo administration says, "These aren't the droids you're looking for."

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A DHS official denied, however, that the agency received any such warning from Saudi intelligence about Tamerlan Tsarnaev.

'DHS has no knowledge of any communication from the Saudi government regarding information on the suspects in the Boston Marathon Bombing prior to the attack,' MailOnline learned from one Homeland Security official who declined to be named in this report.

The White House took a similar view. 'We and other relevant U.S. government agencies have no record of such a letter being received,' said Caitlin Hayden, a spokesperson for the president’s National Security Council.

Umm...except that there's this:

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A Homeland Security official confirmed Tuesday evening on the condition of anonymity that the 2012 letter exists, saying he had heard of the Saudi communication before MailOnline inquired about it.

Yeah, that pretty much says, "COVERUP" in big, bold, red letters, doesn't it?

But leave it to the Republicans to step in and pathetically attempt to cover for Democrat stupidity:

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An aide to a Republican member of the House Homeland Security Committee speculated Tuesday about why the Obama administration contradicted the knowledgeable Saudi official.

‘It is possible the Department of Homeland Security received the information from the Saudi government but never passed it on to the White House,’ the GOP staffer said. 'Communication between DHS and the White House's national security apparatus isn't always what it should be.’

'I can easily see it happening where one hand didn't know what the other was doing because of a turf war.'

Which might make sense if this was the pre-9/11 world where the Clinton Justice Department's Jamie Gorelick had erected virtual "walls" between various agencies so that they were specifically prevented from sharing information. No...the whole purpose of creating the Department of Homeland Security was to facilitate inter-agency cooperation and communication with this clearinghouse/ominbus department. So...the above stupid ass statement is pure BS. That aide should be fired. He or she is a high functioning moron if they believe that crap.

More:

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The Ministry of Interior, he said, sent the letters in 2012, likely after Tsarnaev returned from Russia to the United States in July.

President Barack Obama's published schedule indicates that he met in the Oval Office with Prince Mohammed bin Naif bin Abdulaziz, the Saudi Interior minister, on January 14, 2013.
........

'This is the DNA of the Saudi government,' said the Saudi official, referring to officials in the royal court in Riyadh. 'This is how they work. They sent the letter, but that wasn't enough. They then sent the top guy to meet personally with the president.'

I'm guessing that Barry was playing Angry Birds or something during this meeting. It obviously had that much of an effect on him. Because you obviously can't trust the Saudis with stuff like this because they have proven themselves to be liars on so many previous occasions...oh, wait...they haven't. Actually it's quite the opposite:

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'This is the fourth time the Saudi Arabian government has given the U.S. specific intel' about a possible terror plot, the official said, citing prior warnings about Richard Reid, the so-called shoe bomber who repeatedly tried to light a fuse in his shoe to bring down American Airlines flight 63 bound for Miami in December 2001.

He also cited the 300-gram 'ink-cartridge bombs' planted on two cargo planes headed for the United States from Yemen in October 2010. Those explosives were intercepted in Dubai, and at an East Midlands airport in Great Britain.

Iron Maiden - The Evil That Men Do - Rock In Rio 19/01/2001 (DTS Surround - HQ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aQhRE24jjQ#)
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Libertas on May 01, 2013, 06:49:14 AM
"But leave it to the Republicans to step in and pathetically attempt to cover for Democrat stupidity."

Nekked pics of Pubbies with midget transsexuals...or just the usual Pubbie incompetence?

Either way, WGAF?!  

Hang 'em all.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: IronDioPriest on May 01, 2013, 06:58:04 AM
At this point I have no reason to think that this regime didn't specifically allow this to happen for the purpose of thrusting a dagger into the morale of people who care. What better way to demonstrate to the rest of us that the era of sanity and government accountability is over, than to allow a terrorist attack, get busted covering it up, and suffer no consequences.

 ::overkill::
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: IronDioPriest on May 01, 2013, 07:59:40 AM
From John E. @AoSHQ: "I find it quite remarkable that in the short span of 5 years we have evolved as a country from the era of presidents steering hurricanes to minority neighborhoods with Halliburton-controlled weather machines to the highest office in the land just being too darn complex for any one man to influence inconsequential subtleties like national security and intelligence gathering."
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 01, 2013, 08:21:46 AM
At this point I have no reason to think that this regime didn't specifically allow this to happen for the purpose of thrusting a dagger into the morale of people who care. What better way to demonstrate to the rest of us that the era of sanity and government accountability is over, than to allow a terrorist attack, get busted covering it up, and suffer no consequences.

 ::overkill::

Sometimes a False Flag is simply a real event that is allowed to happen. Every crisis is an opportunity to advance their agenda, American people be damned.   
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: benb61 on May 01, 2013, 10:20:34 AM
I've never liked chain e-mails, and don't want to say this, but...

That Daily Mail article needs to pass across every Americans e-mail in box.  It needs to be sent to every government official with the tag line, "We will start to blame YOU if nothing is done".

I am so F**king angry right now.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 01, 2013, 10:35:11 AM
I've never liked chain e-mails, and don't want to say this, but...

That Daily Mail article needs to pass across every Americans e-mail in box.  It needs to be sent to every government official with the tag line, "We will start to blame YOU if nothing is done".

I am so F**king angry right now.

If it doesn't go out by email it won't go out.  Not a word on Fox today.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Libertas on May 01, 2013, 11:29:39 AM
I've never liked chain e-mails, and don't want to say this, but...

That Daily Mail article needs to pass across every Americans e-mail in box.  It needs to be sent to every government official with the tag line, "We will start to blame YOU if nothing is done".

I am so F**king angry right now.

If it doesn't go out by email it won't go out.  Not a word on Fox today.

Fair and  ::cussing:: balanced!  Stick that where the sun don't shine!   ::gaah::
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Glock32 on May 01, 2013, 11:46:40 AM
Now the Saudi ambassador is denying this ever occurred. So down the memory hole that goes.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: trapeze on May 06, 2013, 02:35:42 AM
And this morning we got a preview of what the House hearings on Benghazi hold in store. Some people are saying that this may also add to the overall weight that seems to be derailing the O'Bongo admin.

You have the total screwup that allowed the Boston bombing to occur and then the coverup.

You have the total screwup that is O'BongoCare, already characterized by Democrat congressional leaders as a "train wreck."

And now you have the truth finally coming out about Benghazi and it's going to be pretty bad.

Why is it going to be pretty bad? Well, first of all there is the WH threatening legal action against the witnesses if they testify before Congress. That would be the first clue. The second clue is that the "cover" that we have come to expect from the MFM regarding anything, anything at all that shows the admin in a poor light virtually evaporated this morning on Face The Nation... (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57582929/official-we-knew-benghazi-was-a-terrorist-attack-from-the-get-go/)

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On Sept. 16, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice hit the media circuit, appearing on all five Sunday talk shows to dispel the notion that the strike was a premeditated terrorist act and to perpetuate the case that it began "spontaneously" out of protests in Egypt. Rice's spot on "Face the Nation" that day was preceded by the new President of Libya Mohammed al-Magariaf, who said his government had "no doubt that this was preplanned, predetermined."

"For there to have been a demonstration on Chris Stevens's front door and him not to have reported it is unbelievable," he said. "I never reported a demonstration; I reported an attack on the consulate. Chris - Chris's last report, if you want to say his final report - is, 'Greg, we are under attack.'

"...I've never been as embarrassed in my life, in my career, as on that day," Hicks continued in his interview with investigators. "The net impact of what has transpired is, [Rice,] the spokesperson of the most powerful country in the world, has basically said that the president of Libya is either a liar of doesn't know what he's talking about. ....My jaw hit the floor as I watched this."

After over five years (which, to be fair, has to include the 2008 campaign) of covering up the incompetence and corruption of all things O'Bongo this is perhaps the first real crack in the wall. One has to wonder just how bad the truth is for CBS News to broadcast the above comments. One has to wonder if CBS News knows that this is merely the tip of the iceberg and what is coming this week is going to be several orders of magnitude worse and that there is no way in the world to provide cover so they may as well report it.

One can only hope.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Pandora on May 06, 2013, 04:28:19 AM
 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Libertas on May 06, 2013, 06:47:26 AM
I still can't shake the thought that they'll just continue to lie, threaten and obsfuscate...run out the clock and then these burps from the memory hole will cease and Team Evil gets away with it again...
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: trapeze on May 06, 2013, 09:45:34 AM
Something about this seems different.

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On the night of Sept. 11, as the Obama administration scrambled to respond to the Benghazi terror attacks, then-Secretary of State (What difference does it make?) Hillary Clinton and a key aide effectively tried to cut the department's own counterterrorism bureau out of the chain of reporting and decision-making, according to a "whistle-blower" witness from that bureau who will soon testify to the charge before Congress, Fox News has learned.

That witness is Mark I. Thompson, a former Marine and now the deputy coordinator for operations in the agency’s counterterrorism bureau. Sources tell Fox News Thompson will level the allegation against Clinton during testimony on Wednesday before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, chaired by Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif.

Fox News has also learned that another official from the counterterrorism bureau -- independently of Thompson -- voiced the same complaint about Clinton and Under Secretary for Management Patrick Kennedy to trusted national security colleagues back in October.

You would think that on some kind of a basic level this would call into question HRC's command decision making process, the whole 3AM phone call thing that she was so proud of being able to handle.

That plus the whole lying under oath about what happened thing.

Someone in command is responsible for how the attacks were allowed to happen and for how the admin reacted to them once they were underway and how the admin reacted in the aftermath (i.e. the coverup). Who that person or persons is will determine the fate of the admin going forward.

LINK (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/06/clinton-sought-end-run-around-counterterrorism-bureau-on-night-benghazi-attack/)
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: BigAlSouth on May 06, 2013, 05:44:14 PM
Yeah, but some political hack out of the Obama Administration said all three whistle blowers were 100 percent lying.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: trapeze on May 06, 2013, 05:53:02 PM
I'm thinking that O'Bongo is going to make HRC take one for the team. He certainly won't. And someone will have to. If that happens it will be more than a little interesting to see how she retaliates because the Clintons are nothing if not world class revenge artists.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Libertas on May 06, 2013, 08:37:29 PM
IIRC Hillary "What difference does it make?!" Clinton took responsibility for the actions made (or not made or allowed to happen) shortly after the hammers started coming out on Rice and the lame video meme.  It seemed to me to be an effort to preempt tough questions for O'Bambi entering the debates.  The rope-a-dope wasn't designed to hold water, the video wasn't meant to do anything other than throw sh*t up in the air and get the state-run media to throw on Romney and the overly critical Pubbies daring to question the integrity of the first black prez, who was probably exchanging ball-handling methods with Reggie that whole night long...the American people at large and the Pubbies specifically were all ratf**ked on this deal and that is why "What difference does it make" is not just the signature phrase of this event, it is the order of the Dictator who answers to nobody for nothing.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: IronDioPriest on May 06, 2013, 08:45:36 PM
The only thing that makes any sense to me at all is that the Obama regime was trafficking arms to radical Islamists including al Qaeda. Their agenda has obviously been to facilitate Islamic hegemony in the Middle East and Northern Africa. I don't see how there can be doubt any longer.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Libertas on May 06, 2013, 09:07:34 PM
You have to stop thinking logically and rid yourself of this annoying obsession with the truth IDP, or you can just forget about a career in politics or the MFM!
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: trapeze on May 13, 2013, 12:45:48 PM
I want to add the Benghazi scandal and the IRS scandal to this thread.

The wheels are coming off of the bus. Can't throw someone under the bus when the wheels are off.

Things are coming together rather nicely. When the Republicans suddenly have Dennis Kucinich (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/dennis-kucinich-slams-irss-tea-party-political-targeting-how-can-it-not-be/) in their corner, well, it just doesn't get much better than that.

When O'Bongo is dismissive of Benghazi as a topic of substance at all, that's a huge warning sign:

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President Barack Obama Monday intensified his criticism of the GOP’s investigation into his administration public relations response to the deadly Sept. 11 jihadi attack on the Benghazi diplomatic site.

We don’t have time to be playing these kind of political games in Washington,” Obama insisted.

“We dishonor the [dead Americans] when we turn things like this into a political discussion,” Obama insisted.

LINK (http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/13/obama-complains-about-gop-investigation-into-benghazi-cover-up/#ixzz2TC9YI4AL)

And then there is this (from same link):

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The whole issue of talking points, frankly throughout this process, has been a sideshow,” Obama complained during a joint press conference with U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron.

“This gets spun up as if there is something new to the story — [but] there is no there there,” he claimed.

Which can be read a couple of ways. "Please stop looking at this" is the most obvious meaning. Or it could be a subtle variation of that which means, "I have gotten away with a lot more than this. You guys are really missing the big picture."

Either way, the sh*t is starting to add up and sooner or later O'Bongo is going to get crushed under the weight of it.

I like the IRS scandal a lot because it has that time honored ingredient that the media seems to cherish: bipartisanship. Great quote at FNC:  

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A top Democrat -- Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus -- also said Monday that his committee would launch a "full investigation" into the matter.

"These actions by the IRS are an outrageous abuse of power and a breach of the public's trust. Targeting groups based on their political views is not only inappropriate but it is intolerable," the Montana Democrat said in a statement. "Americans expect the IRS to do its job without passion or prejudice. We need to get to the bottom of what happened here. ... The IRS will now be the ones put under additional scrutiny."

LINK (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/13/irs-scrutiny-went-beyond-tea-party-criteria-broader-than-thought/#ixzz2TCBOuhN4)

Indeed. We will have to get to the bottom of it. And once the House starts a special or select committee to investigate, the Senate will just about be forced to follow. I have said this before (probably a couple of days ago and it was in reference to Benghazi) and now other people are starting to say it: Special prosecutor.

That will really get people's attention. I guess we will find out who the true believers are in the admin, who is willing to perjure themselves, who is willing to suck it up and go to jail for the president but more importantly, who is not.

Yep, this is going to be good and for more than the obvious reason of the actual investigation. Once this thing gets rolling (and it is showing every indication that it will be pretty damned quick) it will be hard to stop it. And while a big time congressional investigation is going there won't be much of anything else going on. Like say, immigration reform. Or gun control. Or anything else on Barry's little list of fundamental transformative stuff.

It's going to be a long hot summer.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Pandora on May 13, 2013, 04:57:08 PM
Skimming the 'net this morning I ran across word that Boehner's blocking the special/select committee.

I'll see later if I can find the source.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Libertas on May 13, 2013, 06:14:38 PM
"There in no there there." Will go down in infamy with "It depends what the definition of 'is' is."  Perhaps even "Waht difference does it make!"!

Please find that news Pan, i can only think of one reason to slow down the special committee...so the Speaker can load it up with his lackeys and control the process and outcome!  Don't be an asswipe Boner, let the process and outcome follow the fricken evidence!

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Pandora on May 13, 2013, 06:16:16 PM
"There in no there there." Will go down in infamy with "It depends what the definition of 'is' is."  Perhaps even "Waht difference does it make!"!

Please find that news Pan, i can only think of one reason to slow down the special committee...so the Speaker can load it up with his lackeys and control the process and outcome!  Don't be an asswipe Boner, let the process and outcome follow the fricken evidence!

 ::gaah::

Mark Levin just confirmed.  As far as I'm concerned, that's all the validation needed.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Libertas on May 13, 2013, 06:50:45 PM
"There in no there there." Will go down in infamy with "It depends what the definition of 'is' is."  Perhaps even "Waht difference does it make!"!

Please find that news Pan, i can only think of one reason to slow down the special committee...so the Speaker can load it up with his lackeys and control the process and outcome!  Don't be an asswipe Boner, let the process and outcome follow the fricken evidence!

 ::gaah::

Mark Levin just confirmed.  As far as I'm concerned, that's all the validation needed.

Damn that carrot-colored fool!   ::gaah::

Thanks Pubbies, for keeping that idiot in as Speaker.  What's GOP stand for again?  Grand Old Progs?   ::mooning::
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Dan on May 13, 2013, 07:18:17 PM
I've had a hunch for a while now that they have something HUGE on Boehner. Some serious skeletons, not just dirt. He's a lap dog and ais aiding and abetting like he's part of their team!
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 13, 2013, 07:35:05 PM

They've got some kind of MoJo, they took Rand Paul and turned him and all his libertarianism and turned it wrong side out.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Glock32 on May 13, 2013, 07:55:41 PM
I've had a hunch for a while now that they have something HUGE on Boehner. Some serious skeletons, not just dirt. He's a lap dog and ais aiding and abetting like he's part of their team!

Definitely. I guess there's more going on in that tanning booth than turning orange.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 13, 2013, 08:32:01 PM

They've got some kind of MoJo, they took Rand Paul and turned him and all his libertarianism and turned it wrong side out.

Only insane and corrupt people rnu for office. Every single one has a skeleton in his closet bad enough to let them be controlled
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 13, 2013, 09:35:25 PM
I've had a hunch for a while now that they have something HUGE on Boehner. Some serious skeletons, not just dirt. He's a lap dog and ais aiding and abetting like he's part of their team!

Definitely. I guess there's more going on in that tanning booth than turning orange.
       ::speechless::
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: trapeze on May 13, 2013, 09:54:47 PM
Add the AP Phone records to the growing scandal.

Add that senior DC based IRS people are involved in the auditing scandal.

Add that the IRS not only intimidated conservative groups via audit but also released their private information to leftist media and leftist advocacy groups.

Should be interesting to see what happens when Petraeus testifies sometime this week.

I would say that new sh*t is hitting the fan every day but that would be inaccurate. It's more like an hour by hour thing. I am beginning to wonder what is next. I mean, not about these scandals but just what the next completely new and heretofore unknown scandal will be next? Hmm...what are we missing? Oh, yeah, I know. We are missing a truly messy sex scandal. Certainly we will get one in before this is all over.

The thing is, everyone on our side of the fence is waiting for it all to blow over and business as usual to return to DC. But, (and feel free to disagree with me) I just don't see it happening this time. There is just too much sh*t for the media to cover up. It's like someone has emptied a dump truck full of bloody chum into the shark tank and the instinctive feeding frenzy is only barely being contained. That the name, "Nixon," is being bandied about so freely by (some in) the media is the clue that this time it's different. Comparing O'Bongo to Nixon is the journalistic equivalent of Godwin's Law. And yet, here we are. It's like you can't un-crack this particular egg. Or eggs.

The country is going down the drain but we may have the somewhat questionable pleasure of seeing the thug responsible for it finally characterized as a bigger thug than Nixon.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Glock32 on May 13, 2013, 10:10:49 PM
Just remember this is the most ethical, transparent administration in history.


 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 13, 2013, 10:38:52 PM
There is just too much sh*t for the media to cover up. It's like someone has emptied a dump truck full of bloody chum into the shark tank and the instinctive feeding frenzy is only barely being contained.


I think the key variable here is the AP Wiretapping. Liberals don't care when other people's rights are violated - but when THEIR rights are violated its personal.  The lapdog  press  were willing to play along and cover for Borat when he was advancing the agenda and they were valued allies, but now that he has made it obvious to the press that he will treat them every bit as poorly as he treats "bitter clingers",  its game on. We always knew when things got bad enough the liberals would start to eat their own. The only real question is how far will they take it?   With Obamacare becoming such an obvious liability - one that most of these idiot congress critters went along with mostly based on trust in Pelosi and Reid in their backroom deals, may decide the best way to get that monkey off their back, along with all of these mounting scandals is to finally admit Obama's Birth Certificate is a fraud ( We just found out - He duped all of us!) leaving everything he has signed open to contest and making the blame for all he has done fall on him in hopes of deflecting the guilt by association that is sure to follow.   Will the Democratic establishment attempt to throw Obama under the bus ( and are the Clinton's behind it)  is the big question.

Alas, the damage is done.  If any liberal ever tells me I am paranoid because I don't trust the government (its us!) I will throw this IRS thing their their face and tell them- this is how Liberals act with that sort of power. No there is no reason to trust you on anything. I think even the liberals are sensing it now-- the comment threads on a lot of articles I read on full blown MSM sites are being dominated by Conservatives and the hatred is palpable.  We may be finally reaching the preference cascade,  and will certainly do so if the Media finally starts doing their job.






Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 13, 2013, 10:50:40 PM

Ja, Herr Weisshaupt, possibly someone at AP remembers how der Führer treated his early enablers.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Glock32 on May 13, 2013, 11:10:54 PM
Alas, the damage is done.  If any liberal ever tells me I am paranoid because I don't trust the government (its us!) I will throw this IRS thing their their face and tell them- this is how Liberals act with that sort of power. No there is no reason to trust you on anything. I think even the liberals are sensing it now-- the comment threads on a lot of articles I read on full blown MSM sites are being dominated by Conservatives and the hatred is palpable.  We may be finally reaching the preference cascade,  and will certainly do so if the Media finally starts doing their job.


You would think the morons might be able to barely scrape together just enough self-awareness to realize that our belief in limited government is motivated by exactly such things. Limited government has a certain universality to it that ends up protecting the individual regardless of his position on an ideological spectrum. No, I don't expect them to ever embrace it, but they should at least see how it could end up protecting them as well.

I guess it boils down to the most fundamental difference between us and them. We believe humanity is flawed and prone to immoral acts (which comes straight from the book of Genesis) so we codify hard limits on the power of government.  They on the other hand refuse to give up on their fantasy that humanity is yet perfectible into the New Soviet Man, if only the right sort of geniuses are given total control over everyone's lives.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: trapeze on May 14, 2013, 12:10:29 AM
Oh yeah, and Saudi terrorists are now bringing their own pressure cookers with them when they try to get into the country. It's much more efficient that way.

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Hussain Al Kwawahir was charged in federal court with using an altered passport and lying to a Customs and Border Protection Agent about the pressure cooker, according to The Detroit News. Al Kwawahir arrived Saturday from Saudi Arabia, via Amsterdam, according to a criminal complaint filed Monday in federal court. He told investigators he was here to see a nephew who attends the University of Toledo.

Customs officials noticed a page missing from his passport, then found the pressure cooker during an examination of his baggage, according to authorities. Al Kwawahir said he brought the pressure cooker for his nephew because the devices are not sold in the United States, according to the complaint.
He later changed his story, saying his nephew had bought a pressure cooker in the U.S. but it was broken.


LINK (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/13/saudi-arrested-with-pressure-cooker-at-detroit-airport/)

You really gotta love these friends of O'Bongo.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: AlanS on May 14, 2013, 06:33:40 AM
......and will certainly do so if the Media finally starts doing their job.

 ::hysterical:: I'm sorry. I just find that statement comical.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Libertas on May 14, 2013, 07:02:05 AM
......and will certainly do so if the Media finally starts doing their job.

 ::hysterical:: I'm sorry. I just find that statement comical.

As do I, but it is usually followed with tears because really, they haven't done their job for multiple decades running!

I do not see the AP story being linked to the other scandals and illegalities perpetrated by the Regime on a seemingly daily basis.  At the end of the day JurnoTards are still 100% for the full Left agenda, period.  They may not like some of the crap Obama does, they may not like the Nixonian comparisons, they may not even like Obama as a person...but he is a leftist, he is the first black prez, if he says he's sorry about this AP wiretapping and returns/destroys all records, they'll forgive him...hell they may forgive him if he doesn't do sh*t about it!  The only way Obama could go down is if the PTBs of the Democrat-Media Complex decide it is better to throw him under the bus than Hillary because they want the first woman prez so bad they can't stand it...but they'll never agree to go along with impeaching Obama, not even trying him...if he gets tarnished and nailed with the blame, fine, serves the libiot agenda and keeps the Hildabeast in play.  Without principled leadership in the GOP (there's another laugher for us Alan!) there is no getting anybody on any of this!
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: IronDioPriest on May 14, 2013, 07:18:19 AM
I think we're being given the final lesson before the full-court totalitarian press.

This is what it feels like, peasants. This is what it feels like to finally realize that your government can do what it wants with impunity; suffering no consequence for the most egregious offenses.

We've stolen elections; allowed voter intimidation by our Black Panther operatives; run arms to Mexican Cartels; shoved court rulings in your faces; snubbed your Western allies; bowed down to your Islamic enemies; crushed the economy; regulated small businesses out of existence; forcibly taken over your health care; put drones in your skies; run military exercises in your cities; squandered hundreds of billions funneling slush-fund stimulus money to our "green" donors; released tax information and donor lists of our political enemies.... We've done so much to you, and suffered nothing. Now you think that a few dead guys in Libya and political harassment by the IRS is going to bring us down? Please, we're shaking in our shoes.

You might hope the useful idiots in the press will wake up, but even if they do, it's too late. We're tapping their communications too, and we enjoy their squawking.

Now, when we make the final move to strip you of your quaint notions of "liberty" and rid you of all ties to the way things used to be, you'll already understand that there's nothing you can do short of revolt.

Impeachment? Ha! Go for it. Never forget you're dealing with the "First Black President". We'll destroy any Republican who dares. And if they get any notions of "honor" or "duty", well, we've got Harry Reid. We know how to circle the wagons, unlike you fools.

There's nothing you can do. Despair.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Libertas on May 14, 2013, 07:25:05 AM
Yes, remember peasant, you are free!
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: trapeze on May 14, 2013, 08:17:13 AM
And then there is the scandal that is O'BongoCare. When you campaign unceasingly that healthcare will cost less, a lot less, and that you will be able to keep both your current insurance plan and your current doctor and NONE of it ends up being even remotely true, well, that's a bit of a problem.

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Internal cost estimates from 17 of the nation's largest insurance companies indicate that health insurance premiums will grow an average of 100 percent under Obamacare, and that some will soar more than 400 percent, crushing the administration's goal of affordability.

New regulations, policies, taxes, fees and mandates are the reason for the unexpected "rate shock," according to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which released a report Monday based on internal documents provided by the insurance companies. The 17 companies include Aetna, Blue Cross Blue Shield and Kaiser Foundation.

LINK (http://washingtonexaminer.com/insurers-predict-100-400-obamacare-rate-explosion/article/2529523)

Now, the way that I do math, when someone says, "insurance premiums will grow an average of 100 percent" that means "double." And 400 percent means "quintuple." That's a bit more than "your healthcare cost will go down."

If you don't think that O'BongoCare is a scandal I say to just wait until these realities start to hit the stupid people.

Blaming the sequester will not get it done.

So, yeah, I'm kinda wondering when the next major terrorist attack is going to hit. Need a distraction, a big one.

Maybe something with guns so that this idiot can get back on board:

(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5746/screenshot20130514at806.png)
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: trapeze on May 14, 2013, 10:06:40 AM
So today the CIA/State Department get caught in Russian doing some cartoonish spying. And by "cartoonish" I'm thinking about "Boris Badenov" grade spying from Rocky and Bullwinkle.

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The American diplomat was arrested in Moscow over claims he was attempting to 'turn' Russian agents to work for the CIA.
Ryan Fogle — identified as a third secretary in the US Embassy's political section — is pictured being pinned to the ground while wearing his unconvincing disguise.

He was paraded in front of cameras — minus his wig and baseball cap — before being handed over to US authorities last night.

Other pictures show an array of low-tech spy equipment he is alleged to have been using — including wigs in two colours and three pairs of glasses.


LINK (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4927259/Russians-arrest-CIA-spy.html#ixzz2THOXth8p)

Not exactly a scandal yet, but...
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: trapeze on May 14, 2013, 10:12:22 AM
At AoS they are throwing the "Sebelius extorting money from health insurance companies and other sundry health care industry companies" into the mix and that might be worth exploring, too.

These scandals are coming at a fast and furious pace, aren't they?
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Pandora on May 14, 2013, 10:14:36 AM
Moar!

Faster, please!
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Libertas on May 14, 2013, 11:10:24 AM
I'm half surprised the glasses didn't have banana nose!   ::hysterical::
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 14, 2013, 11:23:03 AM
I don't know folks..  it looks like a lot of Dems are trying to scramble to get out from under this.. and the . Liberal group loyalty might not be  enough this time.  You have to remember the importance that ego plays in the Liberal world view- the media contributed because they felt they were "in on it" - the "people in the know"  the "people trusted in the inner circle to cover for them" - They thought they were valued Allies. Obama, like all tyrants, has moved to lock down the press Chicago style -  to make it clear they will get to you and your sources if you misbehave. The wiretapping proves that the Whitehouse its willing to throw them and their sources under a bus if and when it suits them- it demonstrates that the regime is not as loyal to them as they are to it.  Its sends a clear message that the press isn't as important or as powerful as they think they are,  and to a person whose entire ego is structured on having pull and respect in high places, it doesn't sit well. Especially when that message is sent very, very publicly.

Ultimately liberals are emotionally only 5 years old, and the larger context of things can easily be lost when they are angered or hurt. Seriously- think of the last time you made a liberal "loose it" by demonstrating they were morons in front of other people.  Are they thinking anymore about how their tantrum is affecting the greater cause? Hell, we have seen Obama loose it this way. When I suggest that the press might start doing its job, I am not suggesting it will  be because they suddenly came to their senses and understand  why they need to do their job right.  It will be to full fill a personal vendetta against this administration for not valuing them , stroking  their egos  and respecting them they way they think they out to be respected.   The Press has been patting themselves on the back for covering for this guy - for advancing the cause - and the expect Obama to know that he OWES them.  The wiretapping is a slap in the face that tells them that not only does the White House not owe them anything, but they aren't in the trusted inner circle, and will be out in the cold  with the peasants and little people when the glorious revolution succeeds. They were told they belong at the kiddie table. This will motivate them to prove otherwise - to prove the Administration needs their help.  

  (http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/14/watergate-reporter-blasts-white-house-for-attack-on-media/AP Wiretapping has a lot of the media up in Arms[/url)
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Glock32 on May 14, 2013, 11:26:36 AM
Quintupled insurance premiums? That's fine and dandy by their calculus. Then they can herd more people over to a government plan, and before long private insurers will be a thing of the past. There's your nationalized health care without ever calling it that in the thousands of pages of that bill.

I am especially angered because the implementation of this disaster comes right as my parents enter their retirement years. I have genuine worries about their ability to get quality medical care now. This Democrat-caused disaster is a double whammy, it's causing premiums to more than double and it's driving practitioners out of medicine. But I guess it's fair, because now everyone will have the same 3rd World medicine. Plus anything done by liberals is to be judged by its flowery intentions rather than its predictably awful results.

Oh, do I hate them. I don't know if there is anything we can do that will fully sate the hatred I have for them.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Libertas on May 14, 2013, 11:29:20 AM
Maybe this kind of transparency will help repair any damage with the Left...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/13/the-most-transparent-administration-ever-this-redacted-freedom-of-information-request-is-unbelievable/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/13/the-most-transparent-administration-ever-this-redacted-freedom-of-information-request-is-unbelievable/)

...oops!  There I go making jokes again!   ::stirpot::

I really like the idea of the first commenter...I think we should redact everything we give all levels of government...if they can do it and the constitution says they are our servants, then I see no reason why we cannot do what they do with impunity.

 ;D   ::stirpot::

Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Libertas on May 14, 2013, 11:30:20 AM
Quintupled insurance premiums? That's fine and dandy by their calculus. Then they can herd more people over to a government plan, and before long private insurers will be a thing of the past. There's your nationalized health care without ever calling it that in the thousands of pages of that bill.

I am especially angered because the implementation of this disaster comes right as my parents enter their retirement years. I have genuine worries about their ability to get quality medical care now. This Democrat-caused disaster is a double whammy, it's causing premiums to more than double and it's driving practitioners out of medicine. But I guess it's fair, because now everyone will have the same 3rd World medicine. Plus anything done by liberals is to be judged by its flowery intentions rather than its predictably awful results.

Oh, do I hate them. I don't know if there is anything we can do that will fully sate the hatred I have for them.

I know you have some ideas...if I do I know you do...we all do!   ::evilbat::
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 14, 2013, 12:06:45 PM
Quintupled insurance premiums? That's fine and dandy by their calculus. Then they can herd more people over to a government plan, and before long private insurers will be a thing of the past. There's your nationalized health care without ever calling it that in the thousands of pages of that bill.
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Only people won't buy the insurance. They will pay the tax/penalty thingy. Its WAAAY cheaper. You see, that way the private insurance companies completely fail and fail quickly.  Not only can you sign up for insurance only when you really need it, you are pretty much being monetarily  forced  to do so.  There will be no government plan for most people, and no private insurance, and the Government will get more tax revenue - which, by the way, doesn't need to be spent on Obamacare. 
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Alphabet Soup on May 14, 2013, 01:31:06 PM
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Only people won't buy the insurance.

Don't worry - Øbongo's got ya covered. The current fines are only a low, "introductory" rate. Once we flesh out who are the errant ones that will assuredly change. (remember change?!)
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: trapeze on May 14, 2013, 10:02:58 PM
Okay, this is probably total BS (it is, after all, The Politico) but it is what it is:

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The town is turning on President Obama – and this is very bad news for this White House.

Republicans have waited five years for the moment to put the screws to Obama – and they have one-third of all congressional committees on the case now. Establishment Democrats, never big fans of this president to begin with, are starting to speak out. And reporters are tripping over themselves to condemn lies, bullying and shadiness in the Obama administration.

Buy-in from all three D.C. stakeholders is an essential ingredient for a good old fashioned Washington pile-on — so get ready for bad stories and public scolding to pile-up.

Vernon Jordan, a close adviser to President Bill Clinton through his darkest days, told us: “It’s never all right if you’re the president. There is no smooth sailing. So now he has the turbulence, and this is the ultimate test of his leadership.” Jordan says Obama needs to do something dramatic on the IRS, and quick: “He needs to fire somebody. He needs action, not conversation.”

Obama’s aloof mien and holier-than-thou rhetoric have left him with little reservoir of good will, even among Democrats. And the press, after years of being accused of being soft on Obama while being berated by West Wing aides on matters big and small, now has every incentive to be as ruthless as can be.

LINK (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/dc-turns-on-obama-91386.html#ixzz2TKHbbIYL)
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: IronDioPriest on May 14, 2013, 11:12:10 PM
Let's say he comes forward tomorrow and fires Jay Carney, Janet Napolitano, Eric Holder, and Kathleen Sebelius.

What changes?

Nothing, that's what.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: trapeze on May 14, 2013, 11:16:22 PM
From HotAir:

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It may not be the only case, or even the most pressing case, in need of an independent investigation, but there’s little doubt the targeting of White House opponents by the IRS needs a lot more sunlight than the Obama administration has thus far provided.  Republican Governors Association chair Bobby Jindal and vice-chair Scott Walker demanded a special prosecutor to start an investigation of the expanding scandal

I think I said this yesterday. Yes, yes I did...

Indeed. We will have to get to the bottom of it. And once the House starts a special or select committee to investigate, the Senate will just about be forced to follow. I have said this before (probably a couple of days ago and it was in reference to Benghazi) and now other people are starting to say it: Special prosecutor.

LINK (http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/14/walker-jindal-irs-case-needs-a-special-prosecutor/)


Oh, wait...I said it before that:


In a normal and rational world this story would have the words, "special prosecutor" and "coverup" and "impeachment" written all over it.

Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: trapeze on May 15, 2013, 12:56:52 AM
Okay, got this link from the AoS ONT and yes, this does look a bit like me looking for people to validate my previously stated opinion but I don't care...it's fun. Here are the opening paragraphs:

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So you and me, imagine that we're good little liberals, members of the press. All our friends are liberals, and all our co-workers, and the people we work for, and everyone whose opinions we respect, all liberals. Yeah, out there somewhere are those people, those damned conservatives, but they don't matter. They are an obstruction, buncha racists, stupid, venal, and the sooner they're sidelined and ignored, the better. In the mean time, good little liberals like us have to work to advance the program, right? Breitbart et al need not apply.
And after a long hard struggle we've managed to get a black man into the Presidency. Imagine that! We never thought we'd live to see it, did we? And yet, here we are and there he is. It's a tremendous achievement. We managed to convince the country to try it out with a president who isn't a white male, and we should all feel proud of ourselves!

But will it open doors, or slam them shut? Obama can't be president forever.(There's that damned 22nd Amendment, and there's no way we're going to get it repealed in time.) Once it's over, when the voting public looks back on it, will they think it was a success? The next time someone who isn't a white male runs for President, will people say, "Yes, maybe she'll be another Obama!"or will they say, "Hell no! She might be another Obama!"

What validates me? Why, the last two paragraphs. Here's the link. (http://chizumatic.mee.nu/see_no_evil)

Too big to fail? No, too big to not get some actual media scrutiny. Gee, I sure hope that my wishful thinking is borne out.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Alphabet Soup on May 15, 2013, 05:32:16 AM
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Comments are disabled.

Don't know anything about the author or if his/her/its references to "liberal" were meant metaphorically or literally (don't much care either) but it sure sound like apostasy to me - hence the need to preempt criticism. At any rate the author dares to put electronic pen to paper: Øbongo is a fraud, and a dangerous one at that. Blasphemy to the left, absolute truth to the rest of us.

(slightly off-topic) I'm encountering a curious meme in my travels of late.

Y'all recall the parable of the tortoise and the Scorpion? Wherein the Scorpion rewards an act of kindness by stinging his benefactor and stating "it is my nature"? It seems that everywhere I go of late I encounter the meme that "Of course the liberal lied - that's what they do!"

It's being presented as a foregone conclusion, like a genetic predisposition.

Since it is a long-held opinion of mine I am greeting it with pleasant amusement.

Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: IronDioPriest on May 15, 2013, 06:55:57 AM
Even impeachment won't remove him from office, or make a spit-bit-o-difference in his ability to turn bureacracies against the people. It won't empower the House to repair his damage, and they wouldn't know how if it did.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: AlanS on May 15, 2013, 07:24:30 AM
 Republican Governors Association chair Bobby Jindal and vice-chair Scott Walker demanded a special prosecutor to start an investigation of the expanding scandal

Look for Booby to render a sternly worded letter....
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 15, 2013, 08:26:28 AM

And after a long hard struggle we've managed to get a black man into the Presidency. Imagine that! We never thought we'd live to see it, did we? And yet, here we are and there he is. It's a tremendous achievement. We managed to convince the country to try it out with a president who isn't a white male, and we should all feel proud of ourselves!

But will it open doors, or slam them shut? Obama can't be president forever.(There's that damned 22nd Amendment, and there's no way we're going to get it repealed in time.) Once it's over, when the voting public looks back on it, will they think it was a success? The next time someone who isn't a white male runs for President, will people say, "Yes, maybe she'll be another Obama!"or will they say, "Hell no! She might be another Obama!"

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You have to remember, the rank and file  liberal is  NOT motivated by a cause or by an agenda. They voted for Obama because it made THEM FEEL GOOD - MADE THEM FEEL SUPERIOR to vote for a Black Man. That was the goal and motivation. They are like the kids you knew in High School desperately adopting each new fad, always wanting to be included in the "Kewl Crowd."  Liberals are emotionally and mentally stunted - and if Obama's time as a Fad has ended,  if these degenerate morons no longer feel that supporting him is cool,  they will not only drop him, but pretend they never really liked him.

Sure there are the second order liberals - the Cheaters , leaders of the suckers , the crowd the masses emulate and with whom they would die to be seen; the  to social clique in the high school with the prom King and Queen.  Even those people are NOT fighting for the cause - they are fighting to be that top clique. The people everyone else looks up to.  Socialism and its polices are a means to that end - to Power - they tell lies to the suckers  to gain their admiration, to appear "cool" - and there is always some group ready to supplant the former.  The rivalry between the Obamas and the Clintons is a perfect example.

All Liberal are ego-driven.  They want certain policies to be enacted not because they believe in those polices, but because they believe that those policies make them good people to be admired. That is why liberals never monitor thier policies to see if they get the intended results.  The results are irrelevant - they already got what they wanted - the ability to pat themselves on the back . I elected a Black Man!

This second part of the calculus, this question of "will it open doors, or slam them shut" , never enters their heads.  They simply don't care.  Its axiomatic they did the right thing.  If something bad happens that makes whatever they supported uncool,  then they lie, and claim they never supported that- and that is assuming they make the connection between the bad policy and the bad result - which seldom  happens.  The rank and file is not going to understand that voting for a President based on the color of his skin was a bad policy, which led to the worst, most anti-american and divisive Presidency in history.  If there is the hoped for preference cascade,   they will understand is Obama is not popular anymore, and being associated with him, emulating him, or expressing an affection for him is no longer any cooler than platform shoes with Goldfish in them ( and if those are coming back, please don't inform me)

Do not assume Liberals support anything because of principles, idealism, or personal standards - it is all, every little bit, ego and lust for power and admiration.  The Media were told plainly by the Prom King and Queen that they will never be cool enough to be in their circle- and the Media thinks they are owed for all they have done for their majesties.  They will bring these two down for spite, and help out the up-and-coming top clique (possibly the Clinton's again)

Trust me - all you need to know about liberals you learned by watching your peers in high school.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Libertas on May 15, 2013, 11:52:57 AM
I'm too jaded experienced for wishful thinking, it is a fools errand IMO...I still think the endgame is preordained, the IRS & AP thing are tailor-made for Obama to throw sacrifical lambs to the presstitutes and brain-dead GOPer's who think a few firings amount to anything more that a useless PR advantage that will evaporate once the Rovians and other Ruling Class whores do what "is in their nature" and the distraction will succeed in buying time for Obama to shred documents, issue threats, buy off who he has to and find the right patsy so he can skate away unscathed from BenGhaziGate.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Glock32 on May 15, 2013, 12:09:58 PM
There's a very simple reason that Obama and the Hildebeast will come out unscathed, and that's because we now live in a culture where justice is literally impossible. It's like being transported to another world with no gravity, so many fundamental things you are used to simply won't work anymore.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Libertas on May 15, 2013, 12:15:29 PM
Yes, this is not the America we were looking for.

 ::upsidedownflag::
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Pandora on May 15, 2013, 12:16:56 PM
There's a very simple reason that Obama and the Hildebeast will come out unscathed, and that's because we now live in a culture where justice is literally impossible. It's like being transported to another world with no gravity, so many fundamental things you are used to simply won't work anymore.

This is what makes it so outrageous, so depressing; things that shouldn't happen keep happening; things that should happen, don't.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Pandora on May 15, 2013, 12:35:17 PM
Now Krauthammer is admonishing about "tone"; ".... encouraged Republicans and conservative groups to not exaggerate the scandal. Otherwise, he said, the GOP could discount the seriousness of the Benghazi attack and make it out to be nothing more than a political issue.

“But the one advice I give to Republicans is stop calling it a huge scandal,” Krauthammer said. “Stop saying it’s a Watergate. Stop saying it’s Iran-Contra. Let the facts speak for themselves. Have a special committee, a select committee. The facts will speak for themselves. Pile them on but don’t exaggerate. Don’t run ads about Hillary. It feed the narrative for the other side that it’s only a political event. It’s not. Just be quiet and present the facts.”

http://www.businessinsider.com/gop-shouldnt-make-benghazi-a-scandal-2013-5 (http://www.businessinsider.com/gop-shouldnt-make-benghazi-a-scandal-2013-5)


Oy.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Predator Don on May 15, 2013, 02:09:40 PM
Now Krauthammer is admonishing about "tone"; ".... encouraged Republicans and conservative groups to not exaggerate the scandal. Otherwise, he said, the GOP could discount the seriousness of the Benghazi attack and make it out to be nothing more than a political issue.

“But the one advice I give to Republicans is stop calling it a huge scandal,” Krauthammer said. “Stop saying it’s a Watergate. Stop saying it’s Iran-Contra. Let the facts speak for themselves. Have a special committee, a select committee. The facts will speak for themselves. Pile them on but don’t exaggerate. Don’t run ads about Hillary. It feed the narrative for the other side that it’s only a political event. It’s not. Just be quiet and present the facts.”

http://www.businessinsider.com/gop-shouldnt-make-benghazi-a-scandal-2013-5 (http://www.businessinsider.com/gop-shouldnt-make-benghazi-a-scandal-2013-5)


Oy.

He is wrong....This is the time to show the unsavory as it is and push to have it removed. And I'm speaking of obamacare, the tax system, regulation, etc, along with a few liberals who need to be fired. The opportunity presented itself because this administration is wicked.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: AlanS on May 15, 2013, 04:06:17 PM
Now Krauthammer is admonishing about "tone";

I got his 'TONE'. ::outrage::
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: trapeze on May 16, 2013, 12:55:20 AM
Just guessing here but...it sure looks like the underlings didn't get the message about what "under the bus" means:

Quote
One of FOX19's two sources went on say that these four IRS workers claim "they simply did what their bosses ordered". Keep in mind, as FOX19 reported on Tuesday, the report by the Office of Inspector General states that senior IRS officials knew agents were targeting Tea Party groups as early as 2011.

In fact, according to that report, Lois Lerner who heads the IRS division that oversees tax exempt organizations, was told on June 29, 2011 that groups with 'Tea Party', 'Patriot' or '9/12 Project' in their names were being flagged for additional, and often burdensome, scrutiny.

While the IRS is pointing at 'two rogue employees', the number of organizations that were singled out has swelled to nearly 500, according to Rep. Congressmen Darryl Issa and Ohio's Jim Jordan.

FOX News is also reporting that at least two Cincinnati agents have been subpoenaed to testify before congress on Monday.

LINK (http://www.fox19.com/story/22265631/four-cincy-irs-workers-not-two-allegedly-connected-to-scandal)

Long.

Hot.

Summer.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Libertas on May 16, 2013, 07:08:00 AM
Krauthammer continues to be the lead spokesman for the "Lets Play Nice" wing of the tired old Ruling Class soon-to-be-dead GOP.

Ignore the deluded fool!

If Pubbies can't tear these ripe carcasses apart then they should all go down even faster.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Predator Don on May 16, 2013, 12:52:04 PM
Krauthammer continues to be the lead spokesman for the "Lets Play Nice" wing of the tired old Ruling Class soon-to-be-dead GOP.

Ignore the deluded fool!

If Pubbies can't tear these ripe carcasses apart then they should all go down even faster.

WWDD
(what would democrats do)
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Libertas on May 16, 2013, 01:19:54 PM
Krauthammer continues to be the lead spokesman for the "Lets Play Nice" wing of the tired old Ruling Class soon-to-be-dead GOP.

Ignore the deluded fool!

If Pubbies can't tear these ripe carcasses apart then they should all go down even faster.

WWDD
(what would democrats do)

Rip the carcass apart, drag it through the streets, and broadcast it across the nation with heavily biased rantings of pol's & pundits 24/7/365!

But Chuckie K would rather see Dem's win than see anybody else respond in kind.

That is why they lose.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Glock32 on May 16, 2013, 01:56:44 PM
It's all still a gentlemanly parlor game to them. They have proven they don't have what it takes for this fight. Some of them are even actively working with the Democrats, they'd rather have their aristocratic rivalry within the country club than open up admission to outsiders.

They believe this is a refereed boxing match under the Queensbury rules, with padded gloves and no hitting below the belt, meanwhile the Left emerges from its corner with a broken bottle and a spiked baseball bat. Gee, they just can't figure out why they keep getting KO'd.

It's kind of like when major wars break out. The existing general staff officers very often have to be sacked, and younger more junior officers elevated into their place. The younger upstarts have a clearer picture of reality, and they know how the fight needs to be taken to the enemy. It's the same in politics. We need men like Cruz to take over from the fossilized old has-beens.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: trapeze on May 16, 2013, 04:24:59 PM
Oh, and it looks like Holder will be resigning soon. I get that from the very reliable kiss-of-death code phrase uttered today by O'Bongo, "I have complete confidence in Holder."

And, BTW...the rejoinder from Holder upon announcing his resignation retirement will be, "I want to spend more time with my family."
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: IronDioPriest on May 16, 2013, 07:48:30 PM
Oh, and it looks like Holder will be resigning soon. I get that from the very reliable kiss-of-death code phrase uttered today by O'Bongo, "I have complete confidence in Holder."

And, BTW...the rejoinder from Holder upon announcing his resignation retirement will be, "I want to spend more time with my family."

His replacement will be no better.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: trapeze on May 16, 2013, 10:51:37 PM
Oh, I have no doubt about that. There is no point in expecting anything other than corruption for the next several years.

We have become a banana republic. Is there any coming back from that? I don't know since I've never lived in a banana republic before.

Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Libertas on May 17, 2013, 07:24:51 AM
I thought the whole point of a banana repuplic is that there are no laws...well, no obeying of laws to be more precise...so heck, we should be doing whatever we want to do, right?

What to do, what to do...   ::thinking::

 ::evilbat::
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Glock32 on May 17, 2013, 11:47:36 AM
I can't even bear to call us a banana republic....we're more of a banana democracy :)
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Libertas on May 17, 2013, 01:50:06 PM
Either way it's a clusterf**k and 180 degrees out of phase with our Founding.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Pandora on May 17, 2013, 01:58:05 PM
A little bit of the lighter side ....

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,8325.new.html#new (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,8325.new.html#new)
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Libertas on May 17, 2013, 02:00:47 PM
A little bit of the lighter side ....

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,8325.new.html#new (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,8325.new.html#new)

 ::hysterical::

Yeah...they like chirren!

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 17, 2013, 07:45:33 PM
Krauthammer continues to be the lead spokesman for the "Lets Play Nice" wing of the tired old Ruling Class soon-to-be-dead GOP.

Ignore the deluded fool!

If Pubbies can't tear these ripe carcasses apart then they should all go down even faster.

WWDD
(what would democrats do)

Rip the carcass apart, drag it through the streets, and broadcast it across the nation with heavily biased rantings of pol's & pundits 24/7/365!

But Chuckie K would rather see Dem's win than see anybody else respond in kind.

That is why they lose.

The Chuckie K & R.Leadership crew may have a larger constituency than assumed.  These people offer themselves as the alternative to AARP.
 
Organizations such as this, what can I say, are as dispicable as AARP.  They portray themselves as conservative but the only difference is presentation.  They are the very sludge brainedness that caused us to slide into the tar pit.


[blockquote]
(Alexandria, Virginia) — The 60 Plus Association, the nation’s largest conservative seniors organization and acknowledged alternative to the liberal AARP today offered praise and thanks to Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) for informing President Obama via letter that they ‘respectfully decline’  to recommend names to serve on the Individual Payment Advisory Board (IPAB)

May 9, 2013 | Read more… (http://60plus.org/seniors-cheer-speaker-boehner-and-leader-mcconnell-for-opposing-ipab-appointments/)[/blockquote]
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Pandora on May 19, 2013, 12:44:11 PM
Obama aide Dan Pfeiffer today ...

... on Benghazi and Obama's whereabouts (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/05/top-obama-official-on-bengahzi-i-dont-remember-what-room-he-was-in-its-a-largely-irrelevant-fact-video/)

“I don’t remember what room he was in. It’s a largely irrelevant fact”

... on IRS scandal (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/05/top-obama-official-on-irs-scandal-the-law-is-irrelevant-video/)

“The law is irrelevant. The activity is outrageous and inexcusable.”

... on who doctored Benghazi memo (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/05/oh-good-grief-top-white-house-official-its-irrelevant-who-doctored-benghazi-memo-video/)

"The question isn’t ‘Who edited what talking points/’ That’s largely irrelevant.”

Three different shows, three separate issues, same talking point.

Jim Hoft - "Apparently, nothing is relevant to these people."
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 19, 2013, 03:06:36 PM

The arrogant bastards.  Maybe now the low information voters will start paying attention.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: RickZ on May 19, 2013, 03:31:27 PM

The arrogant bastards.  Maybe now the low information voters will start paying attention.

The Free Shyt Army only cares about its free shyt.  They care not one whit for such complicated scandals.  Besides, like a true ghetto mom having to go to school over her child, "Owebama din't do nuthin'," no matter the facts readily at hand.  We have become what Ben Franklin feared most.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Predator Don on May 19, 2013, 03:55:32 PM

The arrogant bastards.  Maybe now the low information voters will start paying attention.

The Free Shyt Army only cares about its free shyt.  They care not one whit for such complicated scandals.  Besides, like a true ghetto mom having to go to school over her child, "Owebama din't do nuthin'," no matter the facts readily at hand.  We have become what Ben Franklin feared most.

Agreed. Listening to the media today. Pathetic. The lapdogs eat it up.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Libertas on May 19, 2013, 07:14:54 PM
Ben Franklin was a visionary in many respects...this is one instance where I wish he was wrong.
Title: Re: That Moment When The S h i t Finally Hits Fan? Yeah, Well, It Just Happened
Post by: Libertas on June 13, 2013, 07:05:10 AM
Yeah, it's just to fricken bad when some of the shyt hitting the fan hits those who helped cause the shyt in the first place!

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/obamacare-lawmakers-health-insurance-92691.html?hp=f2 (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/obamacare-lawmakers-health-insurance-92691.html?hp=f2)

But that won't save thier asses from our wrath, nay, my wrath is just perking up!   ;)