It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => General Board => Topic started by: whimsicalmamapig on September 14, 2013, 07:15:54 PM
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I read an article somewhere today that implied that a county in Colorado is going to entertain the submission of a law that would state the fact that flowers are living things and have a right to live.
I know this sounds strange but it is Colorado, but reading farther into the article, a certain group asserts that living things, both plants and animals have a right to protection from being killed.
my only question is just how far ahead did these tree-hugger types think this ahead. Just what would be left for them to eat? stones? sand?
does anyone else find this an example of just what type of totally dysfunctional and detached individuals our current leftist culture is creating.
there is no purpose in even thinking about talking with people who start from this point. they are so far removed into their own version of life that commonality is non-existent.
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Welp.... looks like my lawn needs mowing. I just love the collective cry of agony as their little wispy heads are ripped off and ground into mulch.
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And I have a right to kill em all.
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the flowers or the old flowerchildren?
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So what about unborn babies? Naaaah, they have no such rights. Just crush their skulls and vacuum them out. But a dandelion growing in a roadside ditch? Don't you dare touch it!
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I am not so concerned about their daffy idea to save the plants as I am about the bifurcation of this culture to the point that we don't even speak with the same reference points.
for example, my understanding of the bill of rights and the rights of free people in a federal republic are in no way similar to the "rights" that are claimed by those who do not even understand that we are not a democracy.
there has been a systematic and long-term agenda to undermine and re-edit what our citizenry understands as the principles on which this nation is based. Even my own son, who is quite politically aware, sometimes surprises me with some reference or understanding that he has garnered through the public school systems or the internet. We cannot assume that we are all talking about the same thing.
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the flowers or the old flowerchildren?
Hippies suck flowers smell good,
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for example, my understanding of the bill of rights and the rights of free people in a federal republic are in no way similar to the "rights" that are claimed by those who do not even understand that we are not a democracy.
A "Right" to the Left is justification to take by force or threat of force the production of some and redistribute it to others. under the Nazi principle of "Gemeinnutz geht vor eigennutz" and is a complete and total rejection of the idea that Individuals have inalienable rights - which end where other's rights begin, and which cannot morally be revoked by a government, even if that government is the result of a mob composed of a majority. Its important to note this isn't a principle of the Left, because the left doesn't have principles. Its simply a justification they provide for sacrificing the rights, property and freedoms of others in their lust for power. When a Majority votes to ban Gay Marriage, then the majority is to be ignored, an they will cite the conservative/libertarian version of rights to justify it. Of course, Gay Marriage, like any leftist agenda, isn't about securing a equivalent one-stop-shop civil contract for the gay community. Its about using the Marriage laws to force others to "Accept" (or act like they accept - for a liberal its the same thing) the liberal agenda. Its always about power and getting their way, and they see no need for any sort of logical consistency. They are sociopaths who will say anything, lie, cheat, and steal to manipulate others into giving them what they want, voluntarily or involuntarily ( another distinction that is entirely beyond their comprehension) And while that sounds like hyperbole, its really not. Devise a test to see if it is true and try it on your favorite liberal. You will get a Harry Reid type answer ( Paying Taxes is Voluntary, but if you don't pay them there are consequences..which of course are methods of coercion and force, but that don't make anything involuntary. )
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I read an article somewhere today that implied that a county in Colorado is going to entertain the submission of a law that would state the fact that flowers are living things and have a right to live.
I know this sounds strange but it is Colorado, but reading farther into the article, a certain group asserts that living things, both plants and animals have a right to protection from being killed.
my only question is just how far ahead did these tree-hugger types think this ahead. Just what would be left for them to eat? stones? sand?
does anyone else find this an example of just what type of totally dysfunctional and detached individuals our current leftist culture is creating.
there is no purpose in even thinking about talking with people who start from this point. they are so far removed into their own version of life that commonality is non-existent.
PETELT People for the Ethical Treatment of every Living Thing
Eat rocks and sand and when you really get hungry, count the now visible ribs if you don't faint form lack of carbs. These asshats are so f**king stupid it even makes Al Sharpton look intelligent.
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you are very correct about those who wish to transform this nation, they know exactly what they are doing, I am more concerned about the growing mass of the mis-educated who truly don't understand what they are shouting about.
take for instance the crowd that followed Gen. Petraeus on his way to teach at CUNY this week. They were shouting words that are the standard epithets of the left but if you could have stopped them and questioned them more deeply as to why they were shouting what they were it would most undoubtedly be reduced to some ideology that they were persuaded to adopt by their professors, not based on arriving at their opinions through research and experience.
these are the people who truly frighten me, those who do not know that they do not know....
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I read an article somewhere today that implied that a county in Colorado is going to entertain the submission of a law that would state the fact that flowers are living things and have a right to live.
I know this sounds strange but it is Colorado, but reading farther into the article, a certain group asserts that living things, both plants and animals have a right to protection from being killed.
my only question is just how far ahead did these tree-hugger types think this ahead. Just what would be left for them to eat? stones? sand?
does anyone else find this an example of just what type of totally dysfunctional and detached individuals our current leftist culture is creating.
there is no purpose in even thinking about talking with people who start from this point. they are so far removed into their own version of life that commonality is non-existent.
So I'm having lunch with my parents. They have recently moved into an assisted living complex (actually very nice, mom had a stroke) I'm in their dining hall. They have fresh picked flowers on the tables and We are warned as the resident Eco nut enters and yes, she is complaining over gods dead creatures on the tables. Now, she is literally being ignored, but she plops down and I'm not kidding, looks my mom in the eye and asks her what she thinks of the staff killing all these flowers.( I was later told this is the lady's ritual for all newbies) Now, my mom may have had a stroke, but she still has a sharp wit. She looked at her, with all sincerity, and requested her assistance in the garden to honor those murdered flowers by planting two for each death and she would happily accept her donation to the cause. The lady called the staff and said my mom was harrassing her...lol
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I read an article somewhere today that implied that a county in Colorado is going to entertain the submission of a law that would state the fact that flowers are living things and have a right to live.
I know this sounds strange but it is Colorado, but reading farther into the article, a certain group asserts that living things, both plants and animals have a right to protection from being killed.
my only question is just how far ahead did these tree-hugger types think this ahead. Just what would be left for them to eat? stones? sand?
does anyone else find this an example of just what type of totally dysfunctional and detached individuals our current leftist culture is creating.
there is no purpose in even thinking about talking with people who start from this point. they are so far removed into their own version of life that commonality is non-existent.
So I'm having lunch with my parents. They have recently moved into an assisted living complex (actually very nice, mom had a stroke) I'm in their dining hall. They have fresh picked flowers on the tables and We are warned as the resident Eco nut enters and yes, she is complaining over gods dead creatures on the tables. Now, she is literally being ignored, but she plops down and I'm not kidding, looks my mom in the eye and asks her what she thinks of the staff killing all these flowers.( I was later told this is the lady's ritual for all newbies) Now, my mom may have had a stroke, but she still has a sharp wit. She looked at her, with all sincerity, and requested her assistance in the garden to honor those murdered flowers by planting two for each death and she would happily accept her donation to the cause. The lady called the staff and said my mom was harrassing her...lol
I hope when she dies she's planted onsite underneath a cutting garden.
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Libiot nonsense. Like those morons who claim carrots feel pain. If carrots do feel pain, then I'm worse than Hitler, Stalin and Mao put together.
I'm an omnivore for a reason, and that includes eating some flowers (candied rose petals for one), or their buds (capers, e.g.).
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Maybe this is too simplistic but I always figured that if eating animals or plants was murder then God would have made that clear.
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Blooming idiots do not.
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These are probably the same people who regularly commit mass genocide of Cannabis sativa plants.
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These are probably the same people who regularly commit mass genocide of Cannabis sativa plants.
::laughonfloor::
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I slaughtered a whole bunch of non-hallucinogenic weeds at the lake... ;D
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I slaughtered a whole bunch of non-hallucinogenic weeds at the lake... ;D
How do you sleep nights after a day of murder?? ::smallestviolin::
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I slaughtered a whole bunch of non-hallucinogenic weeds at the lake... ;D
How do you sleep nights after a day of murder?? ::smallestviolin::
At least you slaughtered them outright, I deprived a section of lawn of sunlight by placing a tarpaulin on them for the broken up concrete patio. Good thing I don't travel out of the country much lest I be charged and tried in the Hague.
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I have truly enjoyed the many humorous responses to my original posting, but humor aside:
the people who were the inspiration for the proposed legislation are serious and determined in their agenda. While it may seem insignificant because the concept of banning all killing of plants and animals is ridiculous, we have just witnessed the raid on an Alaskan gold mine by armed EPA agents in full body armor.
rather than dismiss these fanatics as inconsequential we should formulate tactics that will eviscerate the basic concepts upon which these nutty ideas are promulgated.
If the right/conservative cultural ethos is to persist as the guiding principles of this nation they must create a platform that relegates the more fanatic and outlying concepts of the left to the trash heap of cultural history where they belong.
for too long we have been politely allowing the far left a wide berth to spew their ideas without pushback because we have been too reticent to call (and pardon my political incorrectness here) a spade a spade. most of what has been proffered by the left has been highly questionable and based not on millennium of practical experience but a few months debate in a faculty lounge.
this is serious business and I am not seeing a majority of americans even much aware of the definite and drastic change that has happened very subtly in the last half century. I am an older American and I can take note of the differences in the culture and I am growing less certain that things can be turned around in the time we have left
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... we should formulate tactics ............ we have been too reticent to call (and pardon my political incorrectness here) a spade a spade.
We don't do political correctness here; no pardon required.
Who, exactly is "we"?
What tactics?
Who has been too reticent?
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I was speaking in the general state as in "we" americans who see the problems that have been evolving since Woodrow Wilson but more specifically the last 50+ years.
tactics would be those that are at least as smart and as effective as the ones the left have been using the last 50 years to generate a cultural revolution based on an entitlement mentality that see government as the solution rather than the impediment.
Our tactics would need to generate a regrowth of the self-reliant individualism that created a nation of free people wanting only the opportunity to thrive and shame those who would strive to live on the system with contributing to it.
anyone who will not make a comment or attempt to educate citizens as to the degeneration of our national heritage into a quasi-socialist utopian fantasy land is who I would call reticent.
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Honestly, I think it will take more than tactics at this point. The problem is not just with the ones on the lazy left. There are MANY in the center to the right who can be blamed too. NO ONE thinks they're the problem. I know "conservatives" who are just as narcissistic as the liberals. They don't think their behavior impacts society because they don't see themselves as takers. (They "earned" the money to be personally irresponsible or to not be much of a producer unlike the welfare members.) They contribute to general attitude of it's someone else's problem, everything is ok as long as I get what's mine. Lack of personal responsibility is prevalent in all sectors of society.
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exactly, while I am within the age to get social security, and I will welcome it, I do realize that it isn't "mine" to take as I will never have put in what I will be eligible for by way of medicare etc. but many of my boomer age group do not understand that. they really think they are just taking what is rightfully theirs. totally clueless and kept that way by their own government.
I take particular umbrage at the new round of us postal service ads where these "hard working" postal people are trying to save their jobs when I can recall years of dealing with high-handed postal clerks who viewed your requests at the local post office as an infringement on their personal time. I really enjoy watching them try to convince me that they are worth the money..... they haven't a clue to why their quasi-governmental unionized business is hiving its clock cleaned by fedex and ups.
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exactly, while I am within the age to get social security, and I will welcome it, I do realize that it isn't "mine" to take as I will never have put in what I will be eligible for by way of medicare etc. but many of my boomer age group do not understand that. they really think they are just taking what is rightfully theirs. totally clueless and kept that way by their own government.
You're describing my mother. She gets vehement when we discuss these things, because, "by God, your dad worked his whole life and that Social Security money is his." She doesn't get it. She actually has the mentality that as long as they get what they've been promised, then the insolvency of the whole thing is unfortunate, but not her problem.
It's infuriating. I get it, but it's infuriating.
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If the right/conservative cultural ethos is to persist as the guiding principles of this nation they must create a platform that relegates the more fanatic and outlying concepts of the left to the trash heap of cultural history where they belong.
I am afraid the only platform that will do that now is AR-15
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I slaughtered a whole bunch of non-hallucinogenic weeds at the lake... ;D
How do you sleep nights after a day of murder?? ::smallestviolin::
At least you slaughtered them outright, I deprived a section of lawn of sunlight by placing a tarpaulin on them for the broken up concrete patio. Good thing I don't travel out of the country much lest I be charged and tried in the Hague.
We grew a whole field of them to be slaughtered for my petty need to eat. But with the Flood, God beat me to it. What does God let bad things happen to good plants?
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You're describing my mother. She gets vehement when we discuss these things, because, "by God, your dad worked his whole life and that Social Security money is his." She doesn't get it. She actually has the mentality that as long as they get what they've been promised, then the insolvency of the whole thing is unfortunate, but not her problem.
It's infuriating. I get it, but it's infuriating.
But that is the thing - they didn't work their whole lives to get it, they were stolen from their whole lives to provide it for someone else ( and any "extra" that was saved, was stolen to buy "US Treasuries" - or in other words, transferred into the general fund with an IOU places on a future generation. ANd that IOU is what they claim is "theirs" - when they know perfectly well its a claim to take form others - other who they KNOW will never even have the chance to act immorally and take from someone else to "get theirs"
I too "get it" but if the only way to get yours is to perpetuate the evil, and force still others to pay in, then it is wrong to claim it as yours. Two wrongs don't make a right. If you get it before the collapse that fine, BUT YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO IT, any more than the previous generation was entitled to their money.
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totally clueless and kept that way by their own government.
No, I'm sorry, but that is wrong. They are not "kept", they choose to refuse delivery of the relevant and factual information. They choose to believe the lie.
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Pandora, while I appreciate your belief that any true sentient being has an obligation to know the facts, if you spend any amount of time talking with much younger people you will realize that they truly believe they have all the facts because that is what they are taught in K-PHD.
they truly don't know what they do not know and I don't think they are as much choosing to stay uninformed as much as they just have been taught to:
1) not think for themselves but accept what ever is taught them by an authority figure
2) believe that what ever this leftist authority figures tells them is the true knowledge and anything coming from an alternative source is the product of groups out to return the country to its pre-enlightened state before the 60"s or over-throw the government.
3) only that which is "sanctified" by the federal government is acceptable, and the closer you get to what Washington holds as true, the closer you get to the absolute truth.
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And we weren't really discussing young people, we were discussing "boomer-age".
Younger folks have a sort-of excuse -- they're inexperienced and haven't yet had much of real life smack 'em in the face.
Social Security collecting folks are not "kept" ignorant, they choose it.
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I'll agree with you on that, but you must admit that the amount of propaganda that is dispersed via the media, the doctors office, AARP, and other such quasi-governmental organizations it is easier to just accept what is being fed to you than to search for contradictory info. especially if you are not pre-disposed to thinking beyond what is on sale at the mall and what is on tv that night.
the boomers were probably initially correct to trust what the government told them, they had followed them successfully through WWII but with the rise of the cold war and the 60's counterculture that embraced communism/socialism especially at the academic level, you see the bifurcation beginning in our culture. I have many a boomer friend who has gone totally down the leftist path, mostly to enable their desire for recreational drugs, free love of whatever sort, and academic freedom to think way beyond the box.
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.... mostly to enable their desire for recreational drugs, free love of whatever sort, and academic freedom to think way beyond the box.
See, that's what I'm talking about -- their desires; they are able to rationalize away what they choose not to acknowledge in favor of their druthers. And that ain't exactly thinking outside the box.
IDP's given many examples of how he's tried to talk to his mother, to no avail. When the older folks give you "talk to the hand", it's because they don't wanna know. For them, it's Period. End of story.
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Perhaps my point of view is skewed because I have spent so much of my personal time and energy on getting and staying informed. But while I understand that there are powerful forces aligned to keep people ignorant and filled with lies, I take the point of view that it is incumbent on each individual to be as informed as their access to information allows.
These days, with the Internet, there really is no excuse for anyone to be completely ignorant of current events, or the specific dynamic of the struggle we're in. People are misinformed, yes. And certainly all the facts are not available, as so much effort is placed into obfuscation and lies. But those things notwithstanding, the information is out there to eradicate liberal thinking from all but the committed Leftists. Everyone else, it seems to me, chooses to remain ignorant.
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while I agree with IronDioPriest on the surface, what I observe is that the "right" isn't good at spreading the message. We of the puritanical, traditional cast feel that it is incumbent on you to do the work or else you will be seen as a slacker. In fact the left has been much more successful spoonfeeding the lie to the lazy and thus they have turned many more hearts and minds.
The "right" needs to get a good ad agency and learn how to sell their ideas. Plus we aren't offering free stuff, we need to first create a sense of shame and lack of self respect in the potential convert just to get them on board,
we are a reserved and stand-offish group that puts the onus on those whom we wish to convert while the left opens their arms, offers free stuff and says no matter what we are your group
does anyone else see that we are starting the game with a 1o point advantage to the other side.
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I sent my "conservative" mother a link to an article detailing how Fox News promotes the homosexual agenda. She didn't respond to my email.
She is a member of AARP because they have good insurance rates! ::facepalm::
She buys from retailers that give to Planned Parenthood because...I don't know why on that one.
But she did call the cops once when she saw some Arab men taking pictures of her apartment building.
::whatgives::
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I get mailings from aarp all the time and the go directly to the circular file or delete button. I wouldn't trust them farther than I could throw them.
but it is so safe to just let these established groups lead the way, maybe the "right" should point out what hapless suckers people are for just taking the first advice they receive in the mail.
unless the "right" can prove what chumps most people are for following the left, and do it in a way that lets them feel that they have been betrayed, mislead and abused by the left and the "right" is there to bring them back to the light of self-respect and personal integrity, there is little hope of moving this once great nation back to its core.
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while I agree with IronDioPriest on the surface, what I observe is that the "right" isn't good at spreading the message. We of the puritanical, traditional cast feel that it is incumbent on you to do the work or else you will be seen as a slacker. In fact the left has been much more successful spoonfeeding the lie to the lazy and thus they have turned many more hearts and minds.
whims, "puritanical"? Really.
IDP's talked to his mother, LV's communicated with hers. I've gone into combat with my own on the issue of corporate greed so many times, it isn't even funny; she knows better than to even say the phrase anymore.
You cannot, simply cannot, feed -- spoon or otherwise -- those who refuse the food of knowledge.
The "right" needs to get a good ad agency and learn how to sell their ideas. Plus we aren't offering free stuff, we need to first create a sense of shame and lack of self respect in the potential convert just to get them on board, we are a reserved and stand-offish group that puts the onus on those whom we wish to convert while the left opens their arms, offers free stuff and says no matter what we are your group does anyone else see that we are starting the game with a 1o point advantage to the other side.
Who is the "right"? We all here are the "right" and we make one step forward progress with those that will LISTEN to every two steps back with those who don't want to know.
And if you're suggesting free stuff as an enticement, fuggedabouddit; if we have to go that way, we've lost.
You cannot sell to those who are not buying. Do you not get that? You seem to think if we just ... -- um, lemme see we'll put this word here and that word there and rearrange this paragraph -- get the words right in the right order, "they" will get it. They. Won't. They. Don't Want To.
Doll, you think we can still save this thing by talking. We can't. Some people just need to eat their pain in order to wise up.
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I think I get what whimsical is saying. It's basically the same thing Rush Limbaugh said the day after the 2012 election: you can't beat Santa Claus. We start off with a deficit because we're the side that is not promising "free" this or that, we're the side that is not telling people that their sins and character flaws are all fine and dandy.
It's sort of like when you have one parent who is trying to imbue a sense of responsibility into the kids, and the other parent saying "Cake and ice cream for dinner again!", well, the responsible parent is at an automatic disadvantage.
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I certainly don't think there is anything wrong with improving messaging, strategizing, etc. In fact I think it's absolutely necessary.
I just don't think that the lack of messaging provides an excuse for those who fail to seek out, or, as Pan says, willfully ignore readily available information.
Personal responsibility is a basic principle. Either a person lives by it or they don't. It chafes, that we must "message" to those who don't live by it.
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And if you're suggesting free stuff as an enticement, fuggedabouddit; if we have to go that way, we've lost.
Look at how many seniors are willing to buy into "Social Security is My Money" myth, when the Supreme court found it to be only a tax ( which is the same thing as saying "there is no contract, and the Government does not Owe you anything") If you have to offer bribes of other peoples money, then you have become the left. (and Satan laughs along with them)
You cannot sell to those who are not buying. Do you not get that? You seem to think if we just ... -- um, lemme see we'll put this word here and that word there and rearrange this paragraph -- get the words right in the right order, "they" will get it. They. Won't. They. Don't Want To.
Doll, you think we can still save this thing by talking. We can't. Some people just need to eat their pain in order to wise up.
We are back to Traps example of the Dwarfs in C.S. Lewis' The Last Battle.
Aslan raised his head and shook his mane. Instantly a glorious feast appeared on the Dwarfs’ knees: pies and tongues and pigeons and trifles and ices, and each Dwarf had a goblet of good wine in his right hand. But it wasn’t much use. They began eating and drinking greedily enough, but it was clear that they couldn’t taste it properly. They thought they were eating and drinking only the sort of things you might find in a Stable. One said he was trying to eat hay and another said he had got a bit of an old turnip and a third said he’d found a raw cabbage leaf. And they raised golden goblets of rich red wine to their lips and said, ‘Ugh! Fancy drinking dirty water out of a trough that a donkey’s been at! Never thought we’d come to this.’ But very soon every Dwarf began suspecting that every other Dwarf had found something nicer than he had, and they started grabbing and snatching, and went on to quarreling, till in a few minutes there was a free fight and all the good food was smeared on their faces and clothes or trodden under foot. But when at last they sat down to nurse their black eyes and their bleeding noses, they all said: ‘Well, at any rate, there’s no Humbug here. We haven’t let anyone take us in The Dwarfs are for the Dwarfs!’
‘You see,’ said Aslan. ‘ They will not let us help them. They have chosen cunning instead of belief. Their prison is only in their own minds, yet they are in that prison; and so afraid of being taken in that they can not be taken out.
And what is the left besides cunning? They twist everything to mean what they want it to mean. Everything they do is designed to manipulate. Truth to them is anything that advances their agenda. The Dwarves are for the Dwarves! A feast of knowledge that lays before them becomes Donkey Shyt in their eyes. That is tragic when the people who mistakenly believe themselves to be in the stable have no power over those who do not suffer from that delusion. Its Barbaric when they do.
I spent over a decade looking for the Magic words, the right order, the phase that would set up a cognitive dissonance so strong it would break their worldview and set them free of the prison. Those words DO NOT EXIST. As Pan is saying, THEY DON'T WANT TO THINK. Perhaps they can't think - having it beaten out of them as a child. Perhaps beyond a certain age its just not a skill you can acquire. I lost all of my Childhood friends to this rot. My mother. My Father. My Sister. They decided that would rather believe in Totalitarian Statism ( IN the stable its seen as being "liberal", kind and just) than have a relationship with her own Son or Grandchildren. My Mother couldn't even get to the point where she would admit a discussion or an argument was required. She has a right to her own facts ( in the stable, facts are just opinions) and if her worldview justified pointing government guns at her own son she felt ( and feel is all they really do) that her position didn't NEED explaining. They. Will. Not. SEE. and they will keep pushing until the war starts- (in the stable its not a war, its voluntary nudging) The Left is for the Left. Heil Hitler.
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I think I get what whimsical is saying. It's basically the same thing Rush Limbaugh said the day after the 2012 election: you can't beat Santa Claus. We start off with a deficit because we're the side that is not promising "free" this or that, we're the side that is not telling people that their sins and character flaws are all fine and dandy.
It's sort of like when you have one parent who is trying to imbue a sense of responsibility into the kids, and the other parent saying "Cake and ice cream for dinner again!", well, the responsible parent is at an automatic disadvantage.
Mal: They let us come, and they let us go. What kind of ident card gets us that kind of reception and send-off?
Book: I am a Shepherd. Folks like a man of God.
Mal: No, they don't. Men of God make everyone feel guilty and judged.
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And if you're suggesting free stuff as an enticement, fuggedabouddit; if we have to go that way, we've lost.
Look at how many seniors are willing to buy into "Social Security is My Money" myth, when the Supreme court found it to be only a tax ( which is the same thing as saying "there is no contract, and the Government does not Owe you anything") If you have to offer bribes of other peoples money, then you have become the left. (and Satan laughs along with them)
You cannot sell to those who are not buying. Do you not get that? You seem to think if we just ... -- um, lemme see we'll put this word here and that word there and rearrange this paragraph -- get the words right in the right order, "they" will get it. They. Won't. They. Don't Want To.
Doll, you think we can still save this thing by talking. We can't. Some people just need to eat their pain in order to wise up.
We are back to Traps example of the Dwarfs in C.S. Lewis' The Last Battle.
Aslan raised his head and shook his mane. Instantly a glorious feast appeared on the Dwarfs’ knees: pies and tongues and pigeons and trifles and ices, and each Dwarf had a goblet of good wine in his right hand. But it wasn’t much use. They began eating and drinking greedily enough, but it was clear that they couldn’t taste it properly. They thought they were eating and drinking only the sort of things you might find in a Stable. One said he was trying to eat hay and another said he had got a bit of an old turnip and a third said he’d found a raw cabbage leaf. And they raised golden goblets of rich red wine to their lips and said, ‘Ugh! Fancy drinking dirty water out of a trough that a donkey’s been at! Never thought we’d come to this.’ But very soon every Dwarf began suspecting that every other Dwarf had found something nicer than he had, and they started grabbing and snatching, and went on to quarreling, till in a few minutes there was a free fight and all the good food was smeared on their faces and clothes or trodden under foot. But when at last they sat down to nurse their black eyes and their bleeding noses, they all said: ‘Well, at any rate, there’s no Humbug here. We haven’t let anyone take us in The Dwarfs are for the Dwarfs!’
‘You see,’ said Aslan. ‘ They will not let us help them. They have chosen cunning instead of belief. Their prison is only in their own minds, yet they are in that prison; and so afraid of being taken in that they can not be taken out.
And what is the left besides cunning? They twist everything to mean what they want it to mean. Everything they do is designed to manipulate. Truth to them is anything that advances their agenda. The Dwarves are for the Dwarves! A feast of knowledge that lays before them becomes Donkey Shyt in their eyes. That is tragic when the people who mistakenly believe themselves to be in the stable have no power over those who do not suffer from that delusion. Its Barbaric when they do.
I spent over a decade looking for the Magic words, the right order, the phase that would set up a cognitive dissonance so strong it would break their worldview and set them free of the prison. Those words DO NOT EXIST. As Pan is saying, THEY DON'T WANT TO THINK. Perhaps they can't think - having it beaten out of them as a child. Perhaps beyond a certain age its just not a skill you can acquire. I lost all of my Childhood friends to this rot. My mother. My Father. My Sister. They decided that would rather believe in Totalitarian Statism ( IN the stable its seen as being "liberal", kind and just) than have a relationship with her own Son or Grandchildren. My Mother couldn't even get to the point where she would admit a discussion or an argument was required. She has a right to her own facts ( in the stable, facts are just opinions) and if her worldview justified pointing government guns at her own son she felt ( and feel is all they really do) that her position didn't NEED explaining. They. Will. Not. SEE. and they will keep pushing until the war starts- (in the stable its not a war, its voluntary nudging) The Left is for the Left. Heil Hitler.
It is to weep. I swear, it is to weep.
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I get mailings from aarp all the time and the go directly to the circular file or delete button. I wouldn't trust them farther than I could throw them.
Then join AMAC. (http://amac.us) The benefits are close to the same as AARP and getting better each year. AMAC lobbies congress for conservative issues. Ignoring AARP is a (necessary) negative thing to do...joining AMAC is a positive thing to do.
the boomers were probably initially correct to trust what the government told them, they had followed them successfully through WWII...
Okay, now this is me just being a pain in the ass about details. Boomers, by definition, weren't born until WW2 was over...war over, make babies...and the last of the boomers were born in 1964. Sorry...can't help myself.
I think I get what whimsical is saying. It's basically the same thing Rush Limbaugh said the day after the 2012 election: you can't beat Santa Claus. We start off with a deficit because we're the side that is not promising "free" this or that, we're the side that is not telling people that their sins and character flaws are all fine and dandy.
And that's why it is my opinion that there really isn't anything that we can do. We can talk. We can persuade. But it's really pointless now.
Until the gravy train runs off the tracks (and that's coming because, math) and the takers are left with nothing because they aren't any good at doing anything even vaguely useful or productive. It will be bad when this happens. I am expecting a total societal collapse. And I am expecting that there will be a certain amount of lives lost. How many I do not know but it will be significant. I'm thinking that we are coming up on something like the Great Depression except that no one (unprepared) will have good manners or respect for others. It will be bad.
It seems so obvious to me.
It's like in nature when a population exceeds the ability of its environment to provide. Lemmings and mass self extinction.
So...I think that the cure for this situation is inevitable. I believe that there will be a "correction" of a sort that we haven't seen in our lifetime.
But that's me.
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Agreed Trap. We're now in the politically unwinnable situation of trying to compete with Santa Claus, and you will simply never out-pander the Left, and even if we could that would only mean that we had become them. Why we managed to make it all the way to the 20th century before the citizenry "discovered that they could vote themselves generous gifts from the public purse" is down to many reasons, but chief among them would be moral degeneracy.
Whatever the reasons it got this way, the only thing now is to await the inevitable collapse -- because that which cannot continue....won't.
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IDP's talked to his mother, LV's communicated with hers. I've gone into combat with my own on the issue of corporate greed so many times, it isn't even funny; she knows better than to even say the phrase anymore.
You cannot, simply cannot, feed -- spoon or otherwise -- those who refuse the food of knowledge.
My Mom's next to last election was 2004. To be honest, I don't now what my Mom was politically though she was conservative in her life, but I suspect an old school Democrat; she was 7 when the market crashed in '29. I had to plead and beg and cajole her, over many months, to vote for Bush in 2004 because she 'didn't like him'. She didn't have a computer but relied on the Praetorian Guard national (not cable) and local news broadcasts and the local liberal rag for all her 'news'. That is a serious problem with the elderly. They just can't accept that the media is so far left, and lie about it, that Lenin is a right wing neo-con in comparison. When it came to Owebama, I had to have no such arguments as she saw him for the liar he is.
But the elderly, especially elderly old school Democrats, cannot grasp that the party is now infested with communists, the very people my father spent the last of his 22 years in the Navy fighting. (Just as Juan McShame could not grasp that the man he was running against for president in 2008 was of the very same ideology that tortured him all those years ago in Vietnam; he still doesn't get it.) The media have made great hay out of camouflage and do not 'look' like the communists of old. That is why to have any chance of restoring the Constitutional values of this Republic, media delenda est. No one elects a Brian Williams or a Dan Rather, yet they have an insane amount of power to set the national debate on any topic they wish, with whatever slant they personally approve.
As for the young, they truly don't know any better. Think about it. A twenty-something was born around 1990. By that time, the propaganda indoctrination in the schools was well entrenched, nay union contract guaranteed. Critical thinking is no longer taught. The only way to get through to these millennials is with the lesson of pain, be it financial and/or physical. But the elderly, they are trapped in their own ignorance of the shifting political landscape and kept there by their belief in the truthfulness of the media, and the media are quite good at keeping up the charade. We all know the media lies, but the more egregious lie is the lie of omission. How do you disprove something that was never said?
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IDP's talked to his mother, LV's communicated with hers. I've gone into combat with my own on the issue of corporate greed so many times, it isn't even funny; she knows better than to even say the phrase anymore.
You cannot, simply cannot, feed -- spoon or otherwise -- those who refuse the food of knowledge.
My Mom's next to last election was 2004. To be honest, I don't now what my Mom was politically though she was conservative in her life, but I suspect an old school Democrat; she was 7 when the market crashed in '29. I had to plead and beg and cajole her, over many months, to vote for Bush in 2004 because she 'didn't like him'. She didn't have a computer but relied on the Praetorian Guard national (not cable) and local news broadcasts and the local liberal rag for all her 'news'. That is a serious problem with the elderly. They just can't accept that the media is so far left, and lie about it, that Lenin is a right wing neo-con in comparison. When it came to Owebama, I had to have no such arguments as she saw him for the liar he is.
But the elderly, especially elderly old school Democrats, cannot grasp that the party is now infested with communists, the very people my father spent the last of his 22 years in the Navy fighting. (Just as Juan McShame could not grasp that the man he was running against for president in 2008 was of the very same ideology that tortured him all those years ago in Vietnam; he still doesn't get it.) The media have made great hay out of camouflage and do not 'look' like the communists of old. That is why to have any chance of restoring the Constitutional values of this Republic, media delenda est. No one elects a Brian Williams or a Dan Rather, yet they have an insane amount of power to set the national debate on any topic they wish, with whatever slant they personally approve.
As for the young, they truly don't know any better. Think about it. A twenty-something was born around 1990. By that time, the propaganda indoctrination in the schools was well entrenched, nay union contract guaranteed. Critical thinking is no longer taught. The only way to get through to these millennials is with the lesson of pain, be it financial and/or physical. But the elderly, they are trapped in their own ignorance of the shifting political landscape and kept there by their belief in the truthfulness of the media, and the media are quite good at keeping up the charade. We all know the media lies, but the more egregious lie is the lie of omission. How do you disprove something that was never said?
You've hit upon something my friend, the communist controlled media is the problem as they are the gate keepers of the information. The best way to kill their power will be to make them useless and for that you need infrastructure failure a.k.a. electrical grid damage. No electricity, no TV....no TV no ability to disseminate the lies. But what about the print media? They'll die as well, because you won't be able to push information through wire services asn they'll be damaged as well. Three decades of darkness and they(population) might be able to see once again.
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You've hit upon something my friend, the communist controlled media is the problem as they are the gate keepers of the information. The best way to kill their power will be to make them useless and for that you need infrastructure failure a.k.a. electrical grid damage. No electricity, no TV....no TV no ability to disseminate the lies. But what about the print media? They'll die as well, because you won't be able to push information through wire services asn they'll be damaged as well. Three decades of darkness and they(population) might be able to see once again.
I think print media is dying because of it's untimely irrelevance. Back in the Dark Ages when I was in college (and disco was, uh, king), TIME and NEWSWEEK were major sources of news, even if a week or more old. Now, the immediacy of the internet has pushed them and newspapers into irrelevancy. Who wants to read a paper today with yesterday's news? (We are spoiled by technology, but not all 'spoilage' is bad.) I also think the cost of printing a paper is killing them, those costs being everything from union contracts to paper supply and printing machine maintenance/upgrades.
Another way "to kill [the media's] power" is simply to kill them. A few examples would go a long way to helping the media have an attitude readjustment, if only from self-preservation.
I think what bothers me most is the fact that the media have all these Constitutional protections, yet cannot or will not do their jobs in a manner to benefit the public. I also think Diane Frankenstein's new push to declare who is a journalist will make the media a more protected class than it already is, to the further detriment of the Republic. The media get away with lies even after being caught by simply running a 'retraction', as if that will erase the story that is already out there. They remind me of lawyers who try to get evidence entered into a trial against the instructions of the judge. The jury is told to disregard the matter. But how do you unring a bell?
When there is outright fraud, no one is held accountable in a criminal court. Was Dan Rather ever arrested for fraudulently trying to throw the election in 2004? No, of course not. He was allowed to 'retire' and still will not publicly admit the TANG memos were forgeries. What sanctions did Candy Crowley face for sticking her fat face into a presidential debate? Praise from the media. What about CNN having a reporter* fake a newscast during the Gulf War? He was in a studio and acted like he was outside facing the threat of a gas attack? Nothing as no one knew about it for years. Then there was CNN paying Saddam for access, slanting the news in a pro-Saddam manner to keep that access. Any sanctions? No, just the token firing of Eason Jordan.
But like I said, it is the lies of omission which are the most damaging. A classic lie of omission was not reporting on Owebama's communist background. AT ALL! He was a 'moderate' (as if a commie can be a moderate anything; a moderate commie is like a moderate muslim: They both only exist in the land of unicorns). And if you dared to bring up his communist associations (his grandfather, his mother, his father, his mentor FM Davis, et. al.), you were racist. While Gingrich has more baggage than Louis Vuitton, he at least takes on the media, and which is why he is popular with conservatives. It's also the reason the media seek to destroy him as he attacks and mocks their unbridled and unelected power.
* Here it is in all it's fake glory.
CNN Fake Newscast Best Quality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTWY14eyMFg#)
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If the right/conservative cultural ethos is to persist as the guiding principles of this nation they must create a platform that relegates the more fanatic and outlying concepts of the left to the trash heap of cultural history where they belong.
I am afraid the only platform that will do that now is AR-15
Aye!
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I slaughtered a whole bunch of non-hallucinogenic weeds at the lake... ;D
How do you sleep nights after a day of murder?? ::smallestviolin::
At least you slaughtered them outright, I deprived a section of lawn of sunlight by placing a tarpaulin on them for the broken up concrete patio. Good thing I don't travel out of the country much lest I be charged and tried in the Hague.
We grew a whole field of them to be slaughtered for my petty need to eat. But with the Flood, God beat me to it. What does God let bad things happen to good plants?
::laughonfloor::
Yup, you got it...another reason for libiots to heap scorn upon the Almighty and any who dare believe in Him!
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Agreed Trap. We're now in the politically unwinnable situation of trying to compete with Santa Claus, and you will simply never out-pander the Left, and even if we could that would only mean that we had become them. Why we managed to make it all the way to the 20th century before the citizenry "discovered that they could vote themselves generous gifts from the public purse" is down to many reasons, but chief among them would be moral degeneracy.
Whatever the reasons it got this way, the only thing now is to await the inevitable collapse -- because that which cannot continue....won't.
Agreed.
And as Warp says above the generational indoctrination continues because of left-wing control of the entire MFM/Entertainment industry.
There is a benefit to collapse...the traditional power centers of the Left, the Democrat-Media Complex, will all be less useful than cow patties.
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It's sort of like when you have one parent who is trying to imbue a sense of responsibility into the kids, and the other parent saying "Cake and ice cream for dinner again!", well, the responsible parent is at an automatic disadvantage.
nailed it