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Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: BigAlSouth on April 09, 2011, 03:15:45 PM
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Interesting facts about the Continuing Resolution: Carl Cameron says the winner wasn't even close, although the Dems got a few crumbs to brag about.
Here's why: HR1 was originally to seek spending cuts of $32 billion until Tea Party conservatives insisted on more than $ 60 billion. House Speaker John Boehner won more cuts than he originally sought and got the Senate to agree to votes to defund the health care reform law and groups like the nation's largest abortion provider Planned Parenthood - once votes Senate Majority leader Harry Reid said he'd never allow to come to the floor.Back on February 3, Reid called $32 billion in cuts "extreme" and "draconian."
At a news conference New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., agreed, "I happen to think some of their cuts are extreme and go overboard. But every week they keep upping the ante and proposing extreme cuts."
Over the next decade the cuts are expected to save hundreds of billions of dollars
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/04/09/who-won-shutdown-showdown-it-wasnt-even-close (http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/04/09/who-won-shutdown-showdown-it-wasnt-even-close)
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$38 Billion is chicken feed to the Dems . They were just baiting a trap . They'll try again in a few months .
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Andrew Stiles at National Review calls it for Boehner:
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/264308/boehner-wins-big-andrew-stiles (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/264308/boehner-wins-big-andrew-stiles)
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At a news conference New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., agreed, "I happen to think some of their cuts are extreme and go overboard. But every week they keep upping the ante and proposing extreme cuts."
I see Schumer is sticking to his talking points.
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Fox's Chris Stirewalt: Three Keys to Boehner's Budget Victory
He is the primary author of a compromise to keep the government operating for the rest of the year with the largest spending reduction in history – 63 percent of the original GOP request of $61 billion. Republicans also got a potpourri of sweeteners, like up-or-down votes on politically painful subjects like President Obama’s health care law and federal subsidies for Planned Parenthood, the nation’s largest abortion provider. Not too shabby for a guy who held only one of three seats at the negotiating table.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/09/did-keys-boehners-budget-victory/#ixzz1J6v4OOLj (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/09/did-keys-boehners-budget-victory/#ixzz1J6v4OOLj)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/09/did-keys-boehners-budget-victory/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Internal+-+Politics+-+Text%29 (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/09/did-keys-boehners-budget-victory/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Internal+-+Politics+-+Text%29)
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Hey, Carl? $38B? a win? How stupid are you Carl? Did you know, Carl, that last week the Federal Government borrowed another $54B?! No, I didn't think you knew that! Where's the win Carl? Anybody?!
::mooning::
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Again, GOP has no spine. Get on the phone folks and get these losers to vote "No" with Michele Bachman, Rand Paul.... we have to take back the debate.
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Hey, Carl? $38B? a win? How stupid are you Carl? Did you know, Carl, that last week the Federal Government borrowed another $54B?! No, I didn't think you knew that! Where's the win Carl? Anybody?!
::mooning::
The win would be the gov't shutdown.
What are we spending per day? 4.5 billion? I only see savings if we shut it down a few months.
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Hey, Carl? $38B? a win? How stupid are you Carl? Did you know, Carl, that last week the Federal Government borrowed another $54B?! No, I didn't think you knew that! Where's the win Carl? Anybody?!
::mooning::
The win would be the gov't shutdown.
What are we spending per day? 4.5 billion? I only see savings if we shut it down a few months.
We spent over $50 Billion during the time they negotiated down $38 Billion.
That sounds like Boehner & Co "negotiated" us a $12 Billion dollar loss.
They may call that good but when I buy my new car I wouldn't want his help.
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Levin just got done with that ^^ , CO -- picking up right where Rush left off.
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Hey, Carl? $38B? a win? How stupid are you Carl? Did you know, Carl, that last week the Federal Government borrowed another $54B?! No, I didn't think you knew that! Where's the win Carl? Anybody?!
::mooning::
The win would be the gov't shutdown.
What are we spending per day? 4.5 billion? I only see savings if we shut it down a few months.
We spent over $50 Billion during the time they negotiated down $38 Billion.
That sounds like Boehner & Co "negotiated" us a $12 Billion dollar loss.
They may call that good but when I buy my new car I wouldn't want his help.
If gov't were a business....What would its stock be worth in the free market?
Yea, that's right, nothing...Traders would be shorting the hell out of it.
In essence, we have become GM. Deemed too big to fail, we requested quantitative easing without correcting the behavior. We got it and now will claim paid in full by attempting to raise the debt ceiling and print fresh money.
One of the few businessmen who understands the issue and would do what is necessary to make our business profitable, Trump, is dismissed as fringe and the guy who delivers only a 12 billion dollar loss is declared a victor. The other guy, the one with the 6 trillion reduction plan, isn't even considered. He is left to shout no on the floor.
Somehow, we are worried about 1995...while being told the battle is just beginning. LOL....
If we don't solve this spending issue, all the other social issues won't matter.
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Levin just got done with that ^^ , CO -- picking up right where Rush left off.
::mooning::
If gov't were a business....What would its stock be worth in the free market?
Yea, that's right, nothing...Traders would be shorting the hell out of it.
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Those fools should start listening. We don't want the best deal they can negotiate; we don't want a deal. A deal with the devil is a bad deal.
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Guys I understand and you all know how I feel about it but in thinking it over the only question I have for all of us is,How much would the dems have spent if the passed the budget when the could and knowing that they had just gotten their shorts kicked in Nov?
Think about that for a minute before you all kill me.
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... if I read your question wrong I'm confident you'll tell me.
How much would the dems have spent if they passed the budget when they could?
They couldn't have passed the budget when they could because they couldn't. If they could have passed a budget they would have. They knew that even if they could steam roll McConnell, Boehner & Co passing their budget on the heels of BamaCare would have caused BITS & PIECES.
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Guys I understand and you all know how I feel about it but in thinking it over the only question I have for all of us is,How much would the dems have spent if the passed the budget when the could and knowing that they had just gotten their shorts kicked in Nov?
Think about that for a minute before you all kill me.
::rockethrow::
By Boehner dickin' around for just these few days, they spent more in billions than the 38 billion that was cut.
Go hang yer head.
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... if I read your question wrong I'm confident you'll tell me.
How much would the dems have spent if they passed the budget when they could?
They couldn't have passed the budget when they could because they couldn't. If they could have passed a budget they would have. They knew that even if they could steam roll McConnell, Boehner & Co passing their budget on the heels of BamaCare would have caused BITS & PIECES.
They still could have passed it after the election they had already taken their lumps and had no hope of anything more happening to them than had just taken place.
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Guys I understand and you all know how I feel about it but in thinking it over the only question I have for all of us is,How much would the dems have spent if the passed the budget when the could and knowing that they had just gotten their shorts kicked in Nov?
Think about that for a minute before you all kill me.
::rockethrow::
By Boehner dickin' around for just these few days, they spent more in billions than the 38 billion that was cut.
Go hang yer head.
I understand the math but if he had done itr sooner he would not have gotten the 38 billion.And from the reports I heard the TEA party made him go back and get more. So in a left handed way they caused the delay.
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Let me clarify: no matter how long it took, that much money - 54 billion IIRC - is going to be spent every day until they cut big. That's how little the cuts amount to.
There's nothing here to celebrate; Boehner got took. Levin put it the best, in that Boehner and company ruled out using the only leverage that they had - WE WILL NOT SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT. Now, what is the strategery, the leverage, for the next battle?????????????????????
Mark Levin Talks Budget Deal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffG-0IZF4bY#ws)
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Let me clarify: no matter how long it took, that much money - 54 billion IIRC - is going to be spent every day until they cut big. That's how little the cuts amount to.
There's nothing here to celebrate; Boehner got took. Levin put it the best, in that Boehner and company ruled out using the only leverage that they had - WE WILL NOT SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT. Now, what is the strategery, the leverage, for the next battle?????????????????????
Mark Levin Talks Budget Deal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffG-0IZF4bY#ws)
::thumbsup:: I like this guy. What time is his show?
Originally I was going to add emphasis marks but every word printed is important and every word remaining on the video is important. It is the bottom line.
Mark Levin:
What do we have?
[A] Conga line of Bush staffers telling us this is great.
Now they tell us if we try to hold Boehner to his own pledge we're seeking perfection.
$100 Billion NIX
$ 61 Billion NIX
$ 38 Billion Now the President's happy, Reid's happy, the bureaucrats are happy, the Republican Propaganda Mill is in full force all over the TV all over th.. Let me ask you something. ....I'm told that $10 Billion of that is from the two previous CRs. Do we know if that's true?
Cavuto concedes the numbers are not completely correct. "You're saying they caved, right?
I'm saying this is a historic scam. These are Ponziites, and then I hear them saying, ...it's actually a $78 Billion dollar cut; I think I heard Karl Rove say that. ....
Let me ask you, Since Boehner said he will never shut down the government; And since he has said repeatedly we're only 1/2 of 1/3 of the government; Well, then what the hell are they going to do on the other issues? What is their strategy exactly? How are they going to combat the debt ceiling and fight for $6.2 Trillion dollars in cuts when he's already said "we're not going to shut down the government"?.... And by the way they [the house] are 100% of the spending bills and taxing authority under the constitution; they can stop what ever they want to stop.
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That tells me we need new leaders.
If they can't take on Obama ...
I think they don't have a strategy, ... ...
We have the most massive budgets in world history, they cut a fraction of a fraction and they pat themselves, I mean, look who's celebrating today; the bureaucrats; Reid; Obama; and Boehner; What about the rest of us? This hasn't changed a damn thing.
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I want to see some action baby. And you know they only have certain leverage points. This was one of them, the debt ceiling will be one, and the 2012 budget will be one. And when he keeps saying, OK, let's get on to the next battle, after a while you lose them all.
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Looks like you've may have been at his webpage already, http://marklevinshow.com/home.asp (http://marklevinshow.com/home.asp)
There are links there for local programming and for live-streaming.
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Thanks.
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Anytime, m'brother from another mother. ;D
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I listen to the stream from WABC (http://www.wabcradio.com/article.asp?id=531472) in New York. His show is on from 6:00-9:00 pm Eastern time.
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Once again, Carl and those like Carl, how did this become a Repub win?!
Budget tricks helped Obama save programs from cuts
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20110412/D9MI4KNG1.html (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20110412/D9MI4KNG1.html)
Once again Bachmann and the Tea Party are on the right side of history and Boehner and the candyasses are left with Proglodyte smegma all over their victorious faces!
Thanks a-holes!
::gaah::
ETA - Any takers on a bet the Repub's willingly grab their ankles and give Obama & Reid a massive extention on their credit card?!
::unknowncomic::
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Guys I understand and you all know how I feel about it but in thinking it over the only question I have for all of us is,How much would the dems have spent if the passed the budget when the could and knowing that they had just gotten their shorts kicked in Nov?
Think about that for a minute before you all kill me.
The question should be, with majorities everywhere, why didn't they pass a budget? I'll tell you.... they were SCARED CHITLESS to pass a budget.....look at all the polls in what they were attempting to do.
We had them by the short hairs. Libs counted on the conservatives folding..and we did.
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Guys I understand and you all know how I feel about it but in thinking it over the only question I have for all of us is,How much would the dems have spent if the passed the budget when the could and knowing that they had just gotten their shorts kicked in Nov?
Think about that for a minute before you all kill me.
The question should be, with majorities everywhere, why didn't they pass a budget? I'll tell you.... they were SCARED CHITLESS to pass a budget.....look at all the polls in what they were attempting to do.
We had them by the short hairs. Libs counted on the conservatives folding..and we did.
I don't disagree with the premise but if we held out over planned parenthood I honestly believe that we would lose the middle(bastards are always in the way)But even at that we get an up or down vote in the Senate to get that too.
I just don't see this as the battle to end all battles when we have the debt limit and the next budget coming up. I want those fought.I want 2012 and will do anything to get that win. Anything passed now can be fixed.
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Don is right though, JF. Your answer provides part of the clue. If our leaders were competent and determined, they would have shoved the left's narrative of lies back down their throats, but wanting to avoid a shutdown at all costs they were correctly judged as being vulnerable. The Dem's wailed over horrific cuts that were nothing of the sort, and in the process established the precedent of knowing they can play Boehner & Co for fools whenever they desire. To wit- that jackass Van Hollen-DemonRat from Maryland is moving onto the debt ceiling meme now warning the Repub's to not play chicken with our full faith & credit! Full faith & credit! Another one every Repub should be shoving down these SOB's lying damn faces 24/7/365!
Be prepared to witness another GOP retreat!
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Yep, past is prelude.
[blockquote]The meat (http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/details-of-spending-deal-demonstrate-that-budget-cutting-ain-t-easy-20110412) of the spending deal struck between the two parties late Friday night was revealed in a legislative omnibus released early Tuesday morning. The specifics show that finding nearly $40 billion in cuts during the 2011 fiscal year required clever accounting and, for the White House, a willingness to concede on rhetoric to find gains on substance.
For example, the final cuts in the deal are advertised as $38.5 billion less than was appropriated in 2010, but after removing rescissions, cuts to reserve funds, and reductions in mandatory spending programs, discretionary spending will be reduced only by $14.7 billion.[/blockquote]
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Yep, past is prelude.
[blockquote]The meat (http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/details-of-spending-deal-demonstrate-that-budget-cutting-ain-t-easy-20110412) of the spending deal struck between the two parties late Friday night was revealed in a legislative omnibus released early Tuesday morning. The specifics show that finding nearly $40 billion in cuts during the 2011 fiscal year required clever accounting and, for the White House, a willingness to concede on rhetoric to find gains on substance.
For example, the final cuts in the deal are advertised as $38.5 billion less than was appropriated in 2010, but after removing rescissions, cuts to reserve funds, and reductions in mandatory spending programs, discretionary spending will be reduced only by $14.7 billion.[/blockquote]
We have been jazzed!! Part of the cuts were 4 of the Obama czars and three were already gone before the cuts.I'm pissed.
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There's cam-e-leons everywhere up here.
70% of the bonds we are selling we are buying
Send me some senators with gonads.[/blockquote]
Coburn on Budget Negotiations: 'Send me Some Senators With Gonads (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMzZY9hMF0Y#)
Oh Hugh, buy him another drink.
HT: WeaselZippers (http://weaselzippers.us/2011/04/12/gop-sen-coburn-on-budget-negotiations-send-me-some-senators-with-gonads/)
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Yep, past is prelude.
[blockquote]The meat (http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/details-of-spending-deal-demonstrate-that-budget-cutting-ain-t-easy-20110412) of the spending deal struck between the two parties late Friday night was revealed in a legislative omnibus released early Tuesday morning. The specifics show that finding nearly $40 billion in cuts during the 2011 fiscal year required clever accounting and, for the White House, a willingness to concede on rhetoric to find gains on substance.
For example, the final cuts in the deal are advertised as $38.5 billion less than was appropriated in 2010, but after removing rescissions, cuts to reserve funds, and reductions in mandatory spending programs, discretionary spending will be reduced only by $14.7 billion.[/blockquote]
We have been jazzed!! Part of the cuts were 4 of the Obama czars and three were already gone before the cuts.I'm pissed.
Told ya. Levin told ya. Rush told ya. Hardhead. ::slapfight::
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Don is right though, JF. Your answer provides part of the clue. If our leaders were competent and determined, they would have shoved the left's narrative of lies back down their throats, but wanting to avoid a shutdown at all costs they were correctly judged as being vulnerable. The Dem's wailed over horrific cuts that were nothing of the sort, and in the process established the precedent of knowing they can play Boehner & Co for fools whenever they desire. To wit- that jackass Van Hollen-DemonRat from Maryland is moving onto the debt ceiling meme now warning the Repub's to not play chicken with our full faith & credit! Full faith & credit! Another one every Repub should be shoving down these SOB's lying damn faces 24/7/365!
Be prepared to witness another GOP retreat!
I believe our leaders are determined......to compromise. And seriously, it really wasn't even compromise. I'd love to hear the talks between Reid, obama and Boenher in doing this great deal. Don't tell me johnboy didn't know these cuts were merely smoke and mirrors. They dictated the narrative.....Told johnboy they know how he can "save face".....and they gave us nothing.
I hold no grand illusion johnboy is up to the fight. He is the wrong man for the job. We might as well relegate ourselves to fixing things after 2012.
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That's a very positive outlook for the nation.
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That's a very positive outlook for the nation.
LOL....Yeah, we are the wait til next year party....LOL
What civil war movie was it???? "You shoulda' saw us 3 days ago, we were a sight to behold"....LOLOL
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(http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy3/Dan_K_01/images/obama-deficit-2011negat2.jpg)
h/t Maggie's Farm
Now, can somebody ask Crazy Carl (Whom I really like otherwise) "Where's the win in this?" ::gaah:: ::facepalm::
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I guess the win is all in the pretending.
He may have been contaminated by the hopey/changey virus.
He should submit to immediate quarantine and decontamination procedures.