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Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: trapeze on April 10, 2011, 10:31:34 AM
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I think that the tipping point has passed. I can't put an exact date to it other than last November's election but it would probably be some time before that given the outcome.
That said, I think that things have tipped even further since then. I offer up as evidence this article (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/White-House-Obama-to-lay-out-apf-3210665353.html?x=0&.v=1) on Obama's new spending plan. The article itself is nothing special, just more of the same "Obama is so incredible that he farts rainbows" type fawning adoration from the AP that we have been shovel fed for the last three years. It was featured this morning at the top of the third column at the Drudge Report so it has been given "exposure." It's also on Yahoo Finance which means that it is an AP story that can be commented on.
So, what's the evidence? The evidence is in the comments. As I write this there are upwards of 85 comments and not a single one is positive, pro-Obama or even vaguely in his defense. There have always been negative comments, that's normal. But the balance has slowly swung over the last 18 months as people have grown tired of waiting for the "magic" to occur. And when it hasn't, they have begun to look for reasons as to why it hasn't. Some have turned to talk radio for the answers. Some to Glenn Beck, some have turned to conservative blogs and some have figured it out on their own.
They have come to the conclusion that Obama is a fool.
And because of that conclusion no one (or fewer with each passing day) wants to be associated with him and be thought a fool by association. Thus, the (so far) unanimous negative (and mocking and worse) comments on the Yahoo version of the AP story.
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What I'd like to know when I look at Obama disapproval is; among those who disapprove of his performance, what percentage disapproves because he's not been successful in their view at bringing about full-on radical Leftist Socialism, and hasn't been successful at "kicking our asses" in the manner in which they believe our asses need to be kicked.
Based on the 2010 election, there are presumably a good number of people who voted for hopenchange who now see it as folly. They would be people who've turned against Obama because of his radical Leftism. But there are others who've turned against him because they believe he has not gone far enough in forcing his agenda. That would seemingly be a distinct minority right now, but it still skews the disapproval numbers. For electoral purposes, that's all one needs to know. But for getting a general sense of where the electorate stands ideologically, it's not as helpful. As we saw in Wisconsin, and in the closeness of individual races last November (the overall blowout notwithstanding), despite everything Obama has done - ideologically speaking, we are a people roughly divided 50-50%. If Obama were to be more successful and decisive at implementing radical Leftist policy, I suspect we might see those approval numbers swing back toward the middle. It's just a sense I have, not based on any ability to crunch numbers like this.
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I put that number at 10% or maybe 12% at best. As to the rest of the "approve" numbers, some of that is still being affected by the "Bradley Effect."
I think it's too late for any Obama "success" to have any positive effect on his numbers. He f**ks up everything he touches and he takes too much time off. "Stupid and lazy" is hard (if not impossible) to overcome once the notion is firmly embedded in the collective consciousness. "Stupid, lazy and arrogant" is even worse. Quite the accomplishment when you consider that he did it despite having a near unanimous cheering section in the media.
The media, BTW, will be the last to admit that Toonces has jumped the shark. But they will. If they cannot form public opinion then they will follow it at some point because it is inevitable. You can't keep pretending that the emperor has clothes when the vast majority of your customers are no longer fooled.
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The press is still trying, though. Written in today's NYT (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/us/politics/10assess.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss):
“He’s the undisputed grownup in the group,” said Jim Jordan, a Democratic strategist who has managed Senate and presidential campaigns across the country. “Presidents almost always compare well against Congress.”
It won't be long before the Times has to stop accepting ridiculous statements such as this one from Democrat party hacks because it will really start to look foolish for them to do so.
Even the article's title is ludicrous:
"President Adopts a Measured Course to Recapture the Middle"
Toonces didn't do a damn thing in the budget negotiations. He hasn't shown any propensity to lead in anything at any time and it is becoming obvious even to those who don't pay much attention to current events.
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Wonder why?
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Wonder why?
Never leave finger prints.
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Based on the 2010 election, there are presumably a good number of people who voted for hopenchange who now see it as folly.
They see the mistake now, but why the fvck didn't they see though the poop pile before voting? They're still idiots. ::rockets::
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Based on the 2010 election, there are presumably a good number of people who voted for hopenchange who now see it as folly.
They see the mistake now, but why the fvck didn't they see though the poop pile before voting? They're still idiots. ::rockets::
Crudely put:
30% are genetically - Left
30% are genetically - Right
40% are genetically - predisposed to stay in the zone of comfort
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Based on the 2010 election, there are presumably a good number of people who voted for hopenchange who now see it as folly.
They see the mistake now, but why the fvck didn't they see though the poop pile before voting? They're still idiots. ::rockets::
Crudely put:
30% are genetically - Left
30% are genetically - Right
40% are genetically - predisposed to stay in the zone of comfort
Let me reword it a little:
TOP 30% - Right
BOTTOM 30% - Left
Middle 40% - Don't know sh*te
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110419/us_nm/us_unions_oklahoma
The Republican-controlled Oklahoma Senate dealt organized labor another defeat on Tuesday when it voted to repeal a collective bargaining law.
OKLAHOMA! OK! - Hugh Jackman 1998 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrDVzbeDzRk#ws)
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HEH HEHHH ::evilbat::
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I would further add that the roughly 40% of unprincipled, indecisive morons are highly influenced by what they perceive to be the popular sentiment. Hence the incalculable power of the MSM and their engineered narratives. Just the tone they use to convey news, and their behind the scenes editorial decisions, have for decades been enough to keep the momentum of public policy ever leftward.
I don't know when or how exactly, but at some point these subversives and their propaganda apparatus will have to be held to account for the destruction they have wrought on Western Civilization.
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Agreed, Glock. I blame the media more than anything else for Ogabe's election. If they had shown the slightest interest in his mysterious background, shady associations, and radical ideology, he wouldn't have stood a chance of being elected.
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What gets me is a poll discussed on FOX yesterday in which 23% of Americans said they would accept $7.00 per gallon gasoline and seek "green alternatives" . 23 out of 100 people in this country being that stupid is a frightening revelation . ::whatgives::
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I'm convinced that there's really no alternative, at this point, to just letting things get bad enough that the, for example, 23% who have no problem with $7/gal get to experience the true implications of their stupidity. A reality bitchslap has been long overdue.
To me the single biggest question mark hanging over our hopes of restoring a constitutional republic is the degree to which the statists are able to field willing accomplices in the coercion that they will inevitably unleash. I don't just mean insufferable bureaucrats, but for instance military and police personnel willing to follow any order given them.
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What gets me is a poll discussed on FOX yesterday in which 23% of Americans said they would accept $7.00 per gallon gasoline and seek "green alternatives" . 23 out of 100 people in this country being that stupid is a frightening revelation . ::whatgives::
The likelihood is that many (if not most) of those expressing such a short-sided opinion are mass transit users who aren't direct gasoline purchasers. Their stunted imaginations don't allow them to see the trickle-down effect of $7/gal gasoline.
And why not? Urban "planners" force you and I to subsidize their commute through our taxes. They ride (practically) for free. However, that won't save them from the inevitable increase in the cost of everything else that will come with $7/gal gas.
Morons!
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Poles can be more easily distorted than ever. When a pole includes the 44% that are on the dole as reflecting what "Americans" think or want "real" America is automatically skewed. Also it is established that there is a solid 33% that have a genetic disassociative disorder rendering them forever attracted to the self-destructive as a moth to the flame.
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What gets me is a poll discussed on FOX yesterday in which 23% of Americans said they would accept $7.00 per gallon gasoline and seek "green alternatives" . 23 out of 100 people in this country being that stupid is a frightening revelation . ::whatgives::
The likelihood is that many (if not most) of those expressing such a short-sided opinion are mass transit users who aren't direct gasoline purchasers. Their stunted imaginations don't allow them to see the trickle-down effect of $7/gal gasoline.
And why not? Urban "planners" force you and I to subsidize their commute through our taxes. They ride (practically) for free. However, that won't save them from the inevitable increase in the cost of everything else that will come with $7/gal gas.
Morons!
I'd say that's a fair assessment of what's going on with those folks. So, who are they going to "blame" when higher food prices finally hit them? Big Tomato? Con Agra?
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What gets me is a poll discussed on FOX yesterday in which 23% of Americans said they would accept $7.00 per gallon gasoline and seek "green alternatives" . 23 out of 100 people in this country being that stupid is a frightening revelation . ::whatgives::
The likelihood is that many (if not most) of those expressing such a short-sided opinion are mass transit users who aren't direct gasoline purchasers. Their stunted imaginations don't allow them to see the trickle-down effect of $7/gal gasoline.
And why not? Urban "planners" force you and I to subsidize their commute through our taxes. They ride (practically) for free. However, that won't save them from the inevitable increase in the cost of everything else that will come with $7/gal gas.
Morons!
I'd say that's a fair assessment of what's going on with those folks. So, who are they going to "blame" when higher food prices finally hit them? Big Tomato? Con Agra?
Republicans
(You needed to ask?)
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What gets me is a poll discussed on FOX yesterday in which 23% of Americans said they would accept $7.00 per gallon gasoline and seek "green alternatives" . 23 out of 100 people in this country being that stupid is a frightening revelation . ::whatgives::
The likelihood is that many (if not most) of those expressing such a short-sided opinion are mass transit users who aren't direct gasoline purchasers. Their stunted imaginations don't allow them to see the trickle-down effect of $7/gal gasoline.
And why not? Urban "planners" force you and I to subsidize their commute through our taxes. They ride (practically) for free. However, that won't save them from the inevitable increase in the cost of everything else that will come with $7/gal gas.
Morons!
I'd say that's a fair assessment of what's going on with those folks. So, who are they going to "blame" when higher food prices finally hit them? Big Tomato? Con Agra?
Republicans
(You needed to ask?)
The oil companies the farmers the wealthy the straight comunity then the republicans oh and gun owners.
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Found in NC...
(http://media.trb.com/media/photo/2011-07/63322357.jpg)
LINK (http://www.myfox8.com/news/wghp-story-hacked-department-transportation-road-sign-impeach-obama-nc-110718,0,881228.story)
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When I go to Vegas I usually hang out in the Fremont Street district (old Vegas). But I guess I am going to have to spend some time at the godawful expensive Wynn casino. Steve Wynn deserves to be supported for public statements such as this:
I believe in Las Vegas. I think its best days are ahead of it. But I'm afraid to do anything in the current political environment in the United States. You watch television and see what's going on on this debt ceiling issue. And what I consider to be a total lack of leadership from the President and nothing's going to get fixed until the President himself steps up and wrangles both parties in Congress. But everybody is so political, so focused on holding their job for the next year that the discussion in Washington is nauseating.
And I'm saying it bluntly, that this administration is the greatest wet blanket to business, and progress and job creation in my lifetime. And I can prove it and I could spend the next 3 hours giving you examples of all of us in this market place that are frightened to death about all the new regulations, our healthcare costs escalate, regulations coming from left and right. A President that seems, that keeps using that word redistribution. Well, my customers and the companies that provide the vitality for the hospitality and restaurant industry, in the United States of America, they are frightened of this administration. And it makes you slow down and not invest your money. Everybody complains about how much money is on the side in America.
You bet and until we change the tempo and the conversation from Washington, it's not going to change. And those of us who have business opportunities and the capital to do it are going to sit in fear of the President. And a lot of people don't want to say that. They'll say, God, don't be attacking Obama. Well, this is Obama's deal and it's Obama that's responsible for this fear in America.
The guy keeps making speeches about redistribution and maybe we ought to do something to businesses that don't invest, their holding too much money. We haven't heard that kind of talk except from pure socialists. Everybody's afraid of the government and there's no need soft peddling it, it's the truth. It is the truth. And that's true of Democratic businessman and Republican businessman, and I am a Democratic businessman and I support Harry Reid. I support Democrats and Republicans. And I'm telling you that the business community in this company is frightened to death of the weird political philosophy of the President of the United States. And until he's gone, everybody's going to be sitting on their thumbs.
LINK (http://www.businessinsider.com/wynn-ceo-steve-wynn-conference-call-transcript-obama-2011-7#ixzz1SVgbKBuk)
And before you say anything about his support of Reid you have to realize that Wynn is simply cognizant of the fact that Reid will probably be around for another term or two. It's just smart politics and good business for someone like Wynn to not isolate himself from Reid. O'Bama, OTOH, is becoming radioactive and Wynn isn't afraid to dump on him.
Trends.
Audio file here. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/07/18/wynn_slams_obama_on_business_responsible_for_this_fear_in_america.html)
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Hey now, they're both in the real estate business.
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He wasn't pulling any puches in his comments on TV either.
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"Back in the 80's, Richard was also a five-time Jeopardy champion and a semi-finalist in the Tournament of Champions. Not too shabby," President Obama said as he announced the nomination of Richard Cordray to run the consumer bureau on Monday.
"That's why all his confirmation -- all the answers at his confirmation hearings will be in a form of a question," Obama said to silence. [*crickets*]
"That's a joke," he reminded the audience.
Video at the LINK (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/07/18/obama_makes_joke_about_nomination_process_--_no_one_laughs.html)
A year ago his audiences would laugh at whatever lame joke came out of his pie hole.
Trends.
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I've been highly impressed by Steve Wynn ever since seeing him interviewed in depth on a news program back in 1993 or 94 . He has more brains and entreprenuerial spirit in one of his nose-hairs than Stymie has in his whole body . Compared to Stymie , Steve Wynn IS America !
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One voice in the democrat wilderness is easily shouted down by the MFM, get some of your buddies to join your outspokenness and cut through the media fog and I may get more laudatory in my praise.
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What gets me is a poll discussed on FOX yesterday in which 23% of Americans said they would accept $7.00 per gallon gasoline and seek "green alternatives" . 23 out of 100 people in this country being that stupid is a frightening revelation . ::whatgives::
What the typical Obama voting dumb@$$ doesn't get is that we WILL have $7 gallon gas, and still no "green alternatives."
Someone that flunked out of economics or business or engineering or ect., and instead had to settle for that Poli Sci degree really can't eliminate the law of Conservation of Energy, by just writing some policy.
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LINK (http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=578866&p=1)
Wynn's words resonate because America's weak economic growth and high unemployment can be laid in large part to the inexperience of this president and his just-as-callow advisers.
In such a climate, it's no surprise that executive outbursts are erupting like lava from scorched earth. Wynn's remarks echo those on a lengthening list of CEOs including:
• 3M's George Buckley, who blasted Obama last February as anti-business. "We know what his instincts are," Buckley said. "We've got a real choice between manufacturing in Canada or Mexico — which tends to be more pro-business — and America," he told the Financial Times.
more...
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But those Obama supporters like Immelt & Buffett can KMA! And even those that did support them and now don't...wtf did they live under a rock leading into the election? They think Duh Wun's fricken socialist mindset is somehow a post-election conversion or something? How fvcking stupid are these so-called captains of industry & finance?!
There are traitors and former traitors, and the latter are on one fricken short leash as far as I am concerned!
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Think that you are sick and tired of O'Bama and his merry band of anarchists?
Take a number.
I found this at Gateway Pundit: (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/07/gop-makes-huge-gains-with-white-voters-particularly-among-young-and-poor/)
Apparently, white voters are sick and tired of massive debt, a confusing foreign policy and no jobs.
Republicans have taken a 2-point edge among whites in 2008 and widened it to a 13-point lead today.
And this happy news comes from, of all places, a Pew Center poll... (http://people-press.org/2011/07/22/gop-makes-big-gains-among-white-voters/)
As the country enters into the 2012 presidential election cycle, the electorate’s partisan affiliations have shifted significantly since Barack Obama won office nearly three years ago. In particular, the Democrats hold a much narrower edge than they did in 2008, particularly when the partisan leanings of independents are taken into account.
Notably, the GOP gains have occurred only among white voters; a 2-point Republican edge among whites in 2008 (46% to 44%) has widened to a 13-point lead today (52% to 39%). In sharp contrast, the partisan attachments of black and Hispanic voters have remained consistently Democratic.
You gotta take your good news wherever you can find it.
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Think that you are sick and tired of O'Bama and his merry band of anarchists?
Take a number.
I found this at Gateway Pundit: (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/07/gop-makes-huge-gains-with-white-voters-particularly-among-young-and-poor/)
Apparently, white voters are sick and tired of massive debt, a confusing foreign policy and no jobs.
Republicans have taken a 2-point edge among whites in 2008 and widened it to a 13-point lead today.
And this happy news comes from, of all places, a Pew Center poll... (http://people-press.org/2011/07/22/gop-makes-big-gains-among-white-voters/)
As the country enters into the 2012 presidential election cycle, the electorate’s partisan affiliations have shifted significantly since Barack Obama won office nearly three years ago. In particular, the Democrats hold a much narrower edge than they did in 2008, particularly when the partisan leanings of independents are taken into account.
Notably, the GOP gains have occurred only among white voters; a 2-point Republican edge among whites in 2008 (46% to 44%) has widened to a 13-point lead today (52% to 39%). In sharp contrast, the partisan attachments of black and Hispanic voters have remained consistently Democratic.
You gotta take your good news wherever you can find it.
Supporting balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility is raaaaacist.
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Hmmmm.... now WHAT has changed about the GOP that would give people a reason to shift their allegiance?
All Freshmen:
(http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2011/freshmancongress0103.jpg)
The GOP has lurched to the Right more drastically than any political shift I've seen in my lifetime. The electorate is responding favorably.
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Now if the left would yank back the chain on the progressives it might help them too.
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Yet another prominent O'Bama supporter/cheerleader/voter expresses buyer's remorse. This time it is Daniel Loeb founder of the multi-billion dollar hedge fund, Third Point. These are his opening words from the fund's 2nd quarter investor letter: (http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/in-epistle-writing-return-third-points-loeb-takes-swipe-at-obama/)
The budget is not the only thing in deficit today, as a paucity of leadership has left the country without a stable framework in which businesses can conduct business, investors can invest and consumers can consume without a high degree of uncertainty and fear. Politically charged statements and brinkmanship have served to deepen divisiveness between the parties and led to confusion and fear among citizens. There has been much said about who is allegedly the "adult in the room," but President Obama has yet to speak to Americans as adults, insisting instead on his preferred technique - stirring up class warfare. Scaring senior citizens about the possibility of not receiving their Social Security and Medicare checks, lambasting the corporate jet industry, and calling for higher taxes on managers of private partnerships is not a constructive approach to handling a complex multi-trillion dollar problem that will have multi-generational impact.
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It is increasingly difficult to avoid the conclusion that while Washington burns, President Obama is fiddling away by insisting that the only solution to the nation’s problems — whether unemployment, the debt ceiling or deficit reductions — lies in redistribution of wealth. Perhaps the difference between President Obama and many Americans is that the President sees prosperity as a sign of "unfairness" that needs to be corrected by government via higher taxes and increased regulation. Perhaps a plan that led the way forward by expanding opportunities rather than redistributing outcomes and emphasized growth and prosperity for all would be met with less political resistance.
I left out his damning quote of Paul Ryan. It definitely underscores Loeb's true feelings.
Bottom line is that this liberal sh*t is all fine and dandy until it begins to have a real and serious impact on Loeb's business and personal fortune. When it's no longer just a cute game that keeps him in vogue with his buddies in the elite cocktail circuit then and only then does he begin to get it.
Rich people (who made their wealth rather than inherited it) are a pretty smart bunch to have gotten rich but they sure can be thick when it comes to liberal politics, liberal politicians and the Marxist policies that they advocate.
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Obama reminds me of a blow dryer....ones used in commercial rest rooms. "Please push button to hear a brief message from our president"...... here comes the hot air.
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Referencing trap's posted article, what the hell are they complaining about "paucity of leadership"? I keep hearing/reading that. There's no lack of leadership when it comes to Duh Wun; he's point man for leading us right over the edge.
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Sometimes (too often) the cognitive dissonance swirling around this nation is deafening...
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From The Hill.com...
Obama administration's charm offensive fails to win over business groups (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/173177-charm-offensive-fails-to-win-over-business?page=1#comments)
To which you can hear a collective, "Duh," if you listen carefully.
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I heard it. ::rimshot::
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This was the headline on Drudge a few minutes ago: Obama's Base Crumbles
LINK (http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/more-americans-unhappy-with-obama-on-economy-jobs/2011/07/25/gIQABJ9sZI_story.html?hpid=z3)
Apparently he is now losing a significant number of blacks and liberals.
*sniffle*
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The same poll shows significant disgust with the GOP as well.
I think we're reaching a point in this country where the government truly does not have the consent of the governed. That is a bad, bad thing, because fixing it will not be a smooth transition.
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The same poll shows significant disgust with the GOP as well.
I think we're reaching a point in this country where the government truly does not have the consent of the governed. That is a bad, bad thing, because fixing it will not be a smooth transition.
Time to rid the world of RINOs. ::rockets::