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Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: IronDioPriest on October 30, 2013, 08:53:42 PM

Title: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 30, 2013, 08:53:42 PM: I have to admit, after two presidential campaigns, and so many of his once ridiculed prognostications coming true before our eyes, I have come to admire Ron Paul. Not as the man I want to be president. But as a man of principle, determination, and love of country. I also have to ask myself how much of the negative perception he has suffered among conservatives was self-inflicted, and how much was the GOP establishment smear machine.

I know he holds some bad positions that hurt him among conservatives. But it seems to me now that my blinders re; the GOP have been removed, Ron Paul has had all the right enemies, all along. The same people that smear Ted Cruz smeared Ron Paul. That warms me up to him. Yeah, he's got some wacky ideas, and he's loopy in a Dennis Kucinich kinda way. But I no longer hold him in contempt in any way.

Ken Cuccinelli is about to lose the governor's race in VA to Leftist puke Clintonista Terry McCauliffe, and a hefty chunk (9% or so) of Virginians indicate they are voting for the Libertarian candidate. Cuccinelli has self-inflicted some wounds along the way. Ron Paul coming in at the last minute to attempt to sway Virginians away from the Libertarian and into the Cuccinelli camp is a bold move.

It may be too little too late. But I admire Paul even more for trying. He works to try to bring the GOP towards the libertarian viewpoint, but at the end of the day, he's a conservative Republican, and he's willing to help.

Ron Paul to campaign for Ken Cuccinelli Monday (http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/30/ron-paul-campaign-cuccinelli-monday/)
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: trapeze on October 30, 2013, 10:01:50 PM: I have a problem with the anti-Israel stuff. That is never going to go away for me. But I welcome his eleventh hour support for Cuccinelli. Better late than not at all, I suppose. Sure wish that it had been earlier, though...it would have been a lot more credible support.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 30, 2013, 10:30:06 PM: Quote from: trapeze on October 30, 2013, 10:01:50 PM
I have a problem with the anti-Israel stuff. That is never going to go away for me. But I welcome his eleventh hour support for Cuccinelli. Better late than not at all, I suppose. Sure wish that it had been earlier, though...it would have been a lot more credible support.

I have a problem with his flirtation with 9/11 trutherism too. Those things notwithstanding, he's a far cry better than most Republicans in Washington DC.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: LadyVirginia on October 30, 2013, 10:30:51 PM: Quote from: trapeze on October 30, 2013, 10:01:50 PM
I have a problem with the anti-Israel stuff. That is never going to go away for me. But I welcome his eleventh hour support for Cuccinelli. Better late than not at all, I suppose. Sure wish that it had been earlier, though...it would have been a lot more credible support.

why do they wait until the 11th hour?
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: trapeze on October 30, 2013, 10:44:06 PM: It is basically a chickensh*t move. They wait until the last minute to endorse so that they minimize their exposure from negative fallout but, should the endorsee actually win, they get to claim that they helped and are therefore due a political favor of some kind.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: LadyVirginia on October 30, 2013, 10:59:17 PM: Quote from: trapeze on October 30, 2013, 10:44:06 PM
It is basically a chickensh*t move. They wait until the last minute to endorse so that they minimize their exposure from negative fallout but, should the endorsee actually win, they get to claim that they helped and are therefore due a political favor of some kind.

Well, I hate it.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 30, 2013, 11:07:12 PM: Paul's retiring though. He doesn't risk any negative fallout.

If I had to guess, in this instance, he wasn't considering an endorsement, but was solicited and convinced as a last ditch. It's been a 15 point blowout until that last couple days when it tightened. There wasn't much reason to endorse when it was a blowout. Now, when it is clear that the Libertarian in the race is likely tipping the race away from Cuccinelli, I'm sure the campaign is scrambling.

McCauliffe's campaign is receiving massive cash infusions in the final days. The Leftists really want this.

As a side note, McCauliffe has openly run on a gun control platform.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: LadyVirginia on October 30, 2013, 11:25:15 PM: That's the other side. Cuccinelli didn't want the help maybe.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: Glock32 on October 31, 2013, 01:11:16 AM: It wouldn't even be a contest if not for northern Virginia, the suburbs of that fetid swamp on the Potomac. Large urban enclaves dictating to the rest of the country, and I've had enough of it. The resentment I now have for them can never be put back in the box, and I know it's the same for many others

Just remember that for liberals, the Live and Let Live philosophy is considered an imposition on them. It's like saying it is inhumane to remove a tick, because doing so denies it its natural diet.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: RickZ on October 31, 2013, 01:26:34 AM: Quote from: Glock32 on October 31, 2013, 01:11:16 AM
Just remember that for liberals, the Live and Let Live philosophy is considered an imposition on them. It's like saying it is inhumane to remove a tick, because doing so denies it its natural diet.

Well sure. Bloodsuckers have to stick together.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 31, 2013, 02:18:59 AM: Quote from: LadyVirginia on October 30, 2013, 11:25:15 PM
That's the other side. Cuccinelli didn't want the help maybe.

Very well could be. Probably even more likely.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: Libertas on October 31, 2013, 07:51:20 AM: Still, Paul's followers are legion and loyal to a fault...even at this late stage it might be enough, who knows...

It is what it is.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: Fritz Pettyjohn on October 31, 2013, 08:51:33 AM: I sent Cuccinelli $100 last week. It would be a huge win.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: Libertas on November 01, 2013, 07:46:30 AM: LaRaza? What right they have participating in ANY way any US election?

http://nbclatino.com/2013/10/31/latino-groups-hope-immigration-has-impact-in-va-governors-race/ (http://nbclatino.com/2013/10/31/latino-groups-hope-immigration-has-impact-in-va-governors-race/)

Outta be rounded up, put in cargo containers and shipped out to Idontgiveaflyingf**k!
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: Libertas on November 04, 2013, 11:46:44 AM: Final stretch...

Rubio & Paul to campaign with Cuccinelli.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20131104/DA9RMHAG2.html (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20131104/DA9RMHAG2.html)

If this race is a referrendum then McAwful should have his ass royally kicked...if McAwful wins it is a lcear sign that such pronouncements were made by a in-the-tank media who knew the result of the election before a vote was cast...

Meanwhile, white Klan-ready democrat douchebag for LtGov refuses to shake hand of black Pubbie LtGov candidate. So far whitle libiot racist only called on the carpet by by Dr Alveda King, no word from Obama, the Justice Bro's or any other leader of or resident of the democrat plantation...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/03/Civil-Rights-Leaders-React-to-VA-Dem-Lt-Gov-Candidate-Refusing-to-Shake-Opponent-s-Hand (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/03/Civil-Rights-Leaders-React-to-VA-Dem-Lt-Gov-Candidate-Refusing-to-Shake-Opponent-s-Hand)

Damned racist dem's...off with their racist heads!!!
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: oldcoastie6468 on November 04, 2013, 12:30:26 PM: Quote from: Libertas on November 01, 2013, 07:46:30 AM
LaRaza? What right they have participating in ANY way any US election?

http://nbclatino.com/2013/10/31/latino-groups-hope-immigration-has-impact-in-va-governors-race/ (http://nbclatino.com/2013/10/31/latino-groups-hope-immigration-has-impact-in-va-governors-race/)

Outta be rounded up, put in cargo containers and shipped out to Idontgiveaflyingf**k!

Dropped in the deepest part of the sea to sink forever.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: Glock32 on November 04, 2013, 01:43:30 PM: Quote from: Libertas on November 04, 2013, 11:46:44 AM
Final stretch...

Rubio & Paul to campaign with Cuccinelli.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20131104/DA9RMHAG2.html (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20131104/DA9RMHAG2.html)

If this race is a referrendum then McAwful should have his ass royally kicked...if McAwful wins it is a lcear sign that such pronouncements were made by a in-the-tank media who knew the result of the election before a vote was cast...

Meanwhile, white Klan-ready democrat douchebag for LtGov refuses to shake hand of black Pubbie LtGov candidate. So far whitle libiot racist only called on the carpet by by Dr Alveda King, no word from Obama, the Justice Bro's or any other leader of or resident of the democrat plantation...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/03/Civil-Rights-Leaders-React-to-VA-Dem-Lt-Gov-Candidate-Refusing-to-Shake-Opponent-s-Hand (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/03/Civil-Rights-Leaders-React-to-VA-Dem-Lt-Gov-Candidate-Refusing-to-Shake-Opponent-s-Hand)

Damned racist dem's...off with their racist heads!!!

That's a good point. They might be keen to paint this as a referendum on DumbassCare if they already know the Dem has it in the bag. It's all about the narrative, especially if they can turn it into a self-fulfilling prophecy. Personally I don't think Virginia can be seen as an indicator for much of anything. It has far too many Federal employees among its voter base. Like they're ever going to vote for anything that makes government the slightest bit smaller or less opulently funded.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: AmericanPatriot on November 04, 2013, 04:44:05 PM: Christie, who is expected to win by landslide has weighed in on this race
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: warpmine on November 04, 2013, 05:19:35 PM: Quote from: AmericanPatriot on November 04, 2013, 04:44:05 PM
Christie, who is expected to win by landslide has weighed in on this race
I'd love for him to lose by a few hundred suddenly found votes. ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: whimsicalmamapig on November 04, 2013, 08:08:24 PM: what about "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" many a political and military campaign have been won with that concept.
I doubt if the romans, the franks or even the colonists would have been successful had they been too finely tuned as to whom they would associate.

the long view would be to defeat Mccauliffe, not to send a message to cuccianelli about proper party platform planks.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: Libertas on November 05, 2013, 07:39:06 AM: Quote from: whimsicalmamapig on November 04, 2013, 08:08:24 PM
what about "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" many a political and military campaign have been won with that concept.
I doubt if the romans, the franks or even the colonists would have been successful had they been too finely tuned as to whom they would associate.

the long view would be to defeat Mccauliffe, not to send a message to cuccianelli about proper party platform planks.

That strategy works fine...up to the point where you fail to kick your one-time ally in the balls and send them packing! If you want to practice Machiavellian hardball, you better run it right! Otherwise you are just pretending and become part of the problem.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: whimsicalmamapig on November 05, 2013, 03:31:14 PM: You are so right there, the rino's never got the memo and I think it was because we were soo obsessed with the radical left that the soft middle right was free to feather their own nests. 2 messages need to be sent, one is that anyone right of line is less of an enemy to anyone left of the line and two, if you continue to stand just right of center to feather your own nest, your career will be one term only and we have to mean that last part, no matter now much pork is shoved our way.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: benb61 on November 05, 2013, 05:15:13 PM: WMP, the problem is the people in the district who will benefit from the pork want that benefit and they are the only ones that can vote the bastards out. Therefore they won't.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: ToddF on November 05, 2013, 07:54:49 PM: Is Cuccinellin going to pull this out? Or will votes be dug out of a trunk, at the last minute?

CUCCINELLI 48.1%
MCAULIFFE 45.0%

71%
Title: Close but no cigar
Post by: AmericanPatriot on November 05, 2013, 09:20:35 PM: Looks like the Dems squeaked out another.
This, along with the phat bastard's win in NJ, will give the RINOs and Rovians the impetus to further isolate Conservatives.
Title: Re: Close but no cigar
Post by: Pandora on November 05, 2013, 09:28:55 PM: Quote from: AmericanPatriot on November 05, 2013, 09:20:35 PM
Looks like the Dems squeaked out another.
This, along with the phat bastard's win in NJ, will give the RINOs and Rovians the impetus to further isolate Conservatives.

The phat bastid won in NJ because folks like my Mother voted against the Dem communist opponent. SSDD. We've been stuck voting against, not for.

If they PTB pull this shiite in the next presidental election, I'll write in Ted Cruz. Because I'M DONE.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: AmericanPatriot on November 05, 2013, 10:17:17 PM: Unfortunatly, Pam, we are the exception. A pretty small minority that have discovered that neither side is any good
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: Glock32 on November 05, 2013, 10:47:20 PM: People are not going to suddenly wise up and start voting against socialism. That's why socialism is genius, in an unprincipled way. It's insidious, it cannot be gotten rid of through the political process that brought it in. It can only collapse under the weight of its unworkability. I'm not surprised by Virginia at all, though it certainly is disheartening that people continue to elect Democrats even in the current climate.

Once the big pillars of socialism are installed (national pension plans, welfare, and now social medicine) it's over. The political culture of a society is then permanently altered, because too many people whether voluntary or not become dependent on the system. They'll never voluntarily elect someone who promises to even turn down the flow rate on the gravy train. I know it's not easy to do, but it's time to just let go of the fantasy that this can even be slowed down politically. Your fellow citizens are like the Walkers on the TV show. They were once unique human beings perhaps, but they got bit and have turned.

The only, repeat only, hope is in trying to run a Cloward & Piven strategy of our own. Help overburden the system.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: trapeze on November 05, 2013, 10:58:22 PM: There was zero chance that Cuccinelli would be allowed to win.

He was outspent by well over ten to one.
He was abandoned by his own party.
He was running against two opponents who were actually one.
And if he was able to pull off the impossible and eek out a victory it would have been overturned in a recount...ask Norm Coleman.

The fix was in from the start because there is no way that the regime could have a revolt on DumbassCare. If Cuccinelli had won then the Democrats in congress would abandon ship immediately and it would all be over. So the regime made sure that he wouldn't win so that they could keep the pressure on any wavering Democrat to stay the course.

That was the strategy, anyway, and it has been thus wielded. It remains to be seen if or how long the regime can hold their DumbassCare coalition together, though.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: Pandora on November 05, 2013, 11:15:34 PM: War.

It's all we have left.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: ToddF on November 06, 2013, 05:37:53 AM: That makes it more imperative for those who are itching to jump ship, do a little research before voting.

Cuccinelli was one of the good ones. The Libertarian was a Democrat plant. Game over.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: Libertas on November 06, 2013, 08:04:02 AM: See, I told you so about the media knowing the outcome, they have to be loving this positive referrendum on Obama & ObamaCare, I bet the woody they got ain't gonna go away for fricken weeks! I a bet they are all lubed up over the fatf**kingbastard winning in Jersey too! That beached creature is already serving up facials to Pubbies who fail to see his big-tent snake act is the way to win! God, I want to barf and then bash the hell out of something!

Get ready for it!

Hillary Clinton vs Chris Christie 2016!!!

::pullhair:: ::puke:: ::gaah::

NO FRICKEN WAY!!!

I will vote for a third party candidate or just flee into the night!
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: AmericanPatriot on November 06, 2013, 08:43:46 AM: The narrative I have been seeing is that Christie showed what should be done and conservatives lose
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: Glock32 on November 06, 2013, 10:05:39 AM: Quote from: AmericanPatriot on November 06, 2013, 08:43:46 AM
The narrative I have been seeing is that Christie showed what should be done and conservatives lose

Conservatives do lose. Once the relationship between the citizen and the state has been permanently altered by entitlement programs, conservatives are destined to lose. There's more of them than there are of us, plain and simple. It's math.

While I will acknowledge that it gives them electoral supremacy, there is no way in hell that I will acknowledge that this somehow grants them moral supremacy just because all the other mouth breathers are in agreement. They believe it does. They believe anything becomes "right" as long as the majority have voted for it. And that's why this is eventually going to degenerate into a contest of who can kill the other faster, harder.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: Libertas on November 06, 2013, 11:42:02 AM: Heard Beck talk about the influence of (surprise! yeah, not so much) The Butthead...as well as Team O'Bongo financially supporting the Libertarian candidate, thus undercutting the efforts of Paul. Throw in the usual demonrat dirty tricks, fraud and theft and constant lying...no wonder the dem's and the MFMer's were so certain on the outcome...

f**ked from within, without, up, down and all around!

Since I have my misgivings that the GOP can die fast enough to matter...perhaps it is time to seriously consider Plan Z..."Z" for Zombie...vote for all the progressive asshats you can, crash this joke faster so we can start over quicker...it has its short-term drawbacks and fighting the gag-reflex is going to require a lot of effort to overcome...but at a mimimum perhpas complete non-participation is possible and at least avoids the gag-reflex...

::thinking::
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: warpmine on November 06, 2013, 06:53:57 PM: The VA House of Delegates is now tilted in favor of GOP 67:33 giving them a super majority to keep McCauliff in check. Gee I wonder if N. VA gave the nod to the Clintonista? Survey says you bet your ass. 100%

Va should finally cede the area to DC as was the plan. Could stop the liberal voting shock in the future.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: Pandora on November 06, 2013, 07:53:15 PM: They elected McAlleycat yet chose a Republican Lt. Gov. I flat out don't get it.

I do understand that the areas closest to DC are rife with Fed employees and their ilk, but the rest of the state let this .... this ... GRIFTER win the election!?

I understand NY electiing the Sandinista Communist, oh yes! that's what he is, and NJ going for Christie as the lesser of two evils ::puke:: , but VA? Nah, doesn't compute.
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on November 06, 2013, 08:48:03 PM: I am extremely bummed out over the VA vote & the NJ ballot initiative of Constitutionally mandating min. wage increases.

My countrymen are fkcing idiots - and I'm almost ready to put down my sword due the overwhelming hordes of human debris all around me.
::pullhair::
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: warpmine on November 07, 2013, 05:59:47 AM: Quote from: Pablo de Fleurs on November 06, 2013, 08:48:03 PM
I am extremely bummed out over the VA vote & the NJ ballot initiative of Constitutionally mandating min. wage increases.

My countrymen are fkcing idiots - and I'm almost ready to put down my sword due the overwhelming hordes of human debris all around me.
::pullhair::
Not necessary. Load your gun and enjoy the festivities. ::popcorn::
Title: Re: Ron Paul to attempt rescue of Ken Cuccinelli in VA
Post by: OldSailor on November 07, 2013, 05:59:59 AM: Quote from: Pandora on November 06, 2013, 07:53:15 PM
They elected McAlleycat yet chose a Republican Lt. Gov. I flat out don't get it.
Actually Dr Northam ran as a Democrat, not Republican so the Dims won both top spots. I'm hoping the insurance fraud investigation in Pennsylvania finally gets around to generating indictments, one with McAuliffe's name on it. Dr Northam doesn't appear (to me at least) as much a liberal loon as McAwful, and unlike the New York carpetbagger was born, raised, educated and has been working here in Virginia all his life.