It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: whimsicalmamapig on November 08, 2013, 04:04:07 PM
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There is a discussion going on, from a British study, that calls for testing by employers to determine if any of their employees are "binge" drinkers, and if so, they can be directed to the proper health/mental health care so as to be reeducated into a productive member of society.
where will this all end, a man was just labeled an unfit parent because he wouldn't acquiesce to his son who had a tantrum because dad wouldn't buy him micky d's and instead sent him to bed without supper. how cruel!!!
this growing government encroachment is like the big red blob that took over a town and got bigger and bigger and bigger.
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The goal is to have something on everyone. It's the same reason behind all the hundreds of thousands of regulations that nobody even knows exist, it's the same reason behind the NSA recording every electronic utterance you make. They want to be able to have records of some sort of infraction for every single person, so they can use it when it suits them.
It's like in the Ayn Rand book, I can't remember if it's Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead, where they flippantly tell the protagonist that the last thing they want is a law abiding citizenry. They want a population of law breakers, and since most people are generally decent that means expanding the scope of illegality until it becomes impossible not to be a law breaker.
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Atlas Shrugged.
I will not comply.
Bad enough already the hit's been put out on "smokers", which are really appliances that cook meat, they're not PEOPLE. Who smoke cigarettes.
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The insurance companies we've been with the last few years would send out these mailings to explain to us how to or offer us programs to help us improve our health. Now I realize the argument can be made they're just trying to lower their costs by "helping" people be healthy but I don't care. That's not why I'm paying them. The last company we were with had a nurse calling to talk to us I guess because of husband's stroke. I screen calls so we've never talked to her. ;D One of my kid has asthma and we'd get mailings explaining how to avoid triggers etc.
I'M NOT STUPID. I can read and figure things out! I'm not sitting there scratching my head, duh, I wonder how I can help my daughter with her asthma??
PLUS I SEE SOMEONE WHO WENT TO MED SCHOOL. If I have a question I ask him.
I know people who love this stuff. They work for companies that provide all these extras.
::bashing:: ::bashing:: ::bashing::
I read earlier this year that CVS will require employees to release their health info to the company.
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I've gotten calls from our insurance "affiliates" who want to "help" me "manage" the Crohn's and from the prescription drug section who want to "help" me "manage" my prescription issues. I politely tell them to bug off, I don't their help.
They want to "help" me refill my prescriptions and such. Trust me, I'm trying to build a small stockpile; I KNOW when it's time to renew.
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Yeah, the government wants to help even if it kills ya.
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My insurance company actually sent me a scale that would transmit my weight data to their computer data system every morning. The reason given was to better monitor my health/weight. So much for having that extra cannoli the night before. Talk about reaching into the home. I never opened the box and sent it back.
I, too, am tired of insurance companies wanting to 'manage' my health. That's not their damned job, not the reason they are in business. They want to be a Jack Lalanne Studio, be my guest. But my doctors, and myself, are who are answer to when it comes to managing my health, not the insurance company.
ETA: And I do believe alcohol testing at work is important, just to make sure the booze didn't go bad. Oh, they said 'testing' not 'tasting'. Never mind. Sort of.
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Yeah, the government wants to help even if it kills ya.
Especially if it kills you.
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There is a discussion going on, from a British study, that calls for testing by employers to determine if any of their employees are "binge" drinkers, and if so, they can be directed to the proper health/mental health care so as to be reeducated into a productive member of society.
where will this all end, a man was just labeled an unfit parent because he wouldn't acquiesce to his son who had a tantrum because dad wouldn't buy him micky d's and instead sent him to bed without supper. how cruel!!!
this growing government encroachment is like the big red blob that took over a town and got bigger and bigger and bigger.
There should be a growing discussion going on via a Patriot study, calling for testing by the citizenry to determine if any of their employees are “binge” liars, and if so, can be directed to the proper authorities and/or end of life cabinet (mandated) so they can be terminated & thus, uhm…become a productive member of the quiet invisible.
This should be a growing encroachment by the electorate, like a big “red” blob, that takes over ethics, morality, character & integrity. No more private vs. public personas – who you are impacts what you do.
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"binge liars", those are democrats and progressives! ::laughonfloor::
Besides, I hate discrimination...booze? Seriously? We're letting all the Junkies, Crackheads, Zipheads, MethManiacs, Potheads, PillPoppers, Huffers, Snorters, Speedballers...etc etc off the hook?
How about Roid-Ragers, JavaHeads, SodaSuckers, JunkFooders, CandyAddicts...?
Umm, Slippery Slope anybody?
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I'm gonna step out on a limb here and say that in principle, I have no issue with private employers requiring proof of clean living. The employee can choose to work someplace else if substance abuse is that important to them.
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the caveat here is whether that acquired info stays private or is mandated to be dumped into a government data base via obamacare or county/state departments of health etc.
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I like the idea of alcohol testing at work. I expect to do very well at the "rum" portion of the exam!
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Damn. No more tequila shooters for breakfast.
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the caveat here is whether that acquired info stays private or is mandated to be dumped into a government data base via obamacare or county/state departments of health etc.
Yeah, not on board with that.
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Atlas Shrugged.
I will not comply.
Bad enough already the hit's been put out on "smokers", which are really appliances that cook meat, they're not PEOPLE. Who smoke cigarettes.
Smokers and smoking was the test. Do I need to say more?
The other day I received a letter from "The Department of State Health Services" It was addressed to us by name.
They are saying we will be asked to complete a telephone survey about our health and health practices in the month of November. Quote "all information is confidential and anonymous. We do not know or ask for your name". See above "it was addressed to us by name".
Here is the most disturbing part. After the answering questions is voluntary, blah, blah, blah, these questions will help guide public health programs, blah, blah, blah...
It is signed:
Rebecca Wood
Interim Project Director, Texas Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System
Center for Health Statistics
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Sheeeott. THAT would be tossed in the garbage as many damn times as they tried to send it to me KC. Screw that. Don't comply.
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Sheeeott. THAT would be tossed in the garbage as many damn times as they tried to send it to me KC. Screw that. Don't comply.
And in a New York damn minute!
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"binge liars", those are democrats and progressives! ::laughonfloor::
Besides, I hate discrimination...booze? Seriously? We're letting all the Junkies, Crackheads, Zipheads, MethManiacs, Potheads, PillPoppers, Huffers, Snorters, Speedballers...etc etc off the hook?
How about Roid-Ragers, JavaHeads, SodaSuckers, JunkFooders, CandyAddicts...?
Umm, Slippery Slope anybody?
yeh, those chocoholics are the worst ::exitstageleft::
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Alan, re: your post. The first minute. Ward's 'breakfast' of cereal with . . . .
Leave it to Beaver 25th Anniversary Party (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9dKYxkYYXM#)
[I remember this little clip from back in my college days, the late '70's, seen on a small black and white tv. A bunch of us in the apartment complex used to hang out and watch SCTV late on Saturday night. The stupid shyt I remember. Found it on YouTube pretty fast, less than a minute.]
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Sheeeott. THAT would be tossed in the garbage as many damn times as they tried to send it to me KC. Screw that. Don't comply.
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I don't intend to comply. What the heck is behavioral risk factor surveillance ?
I'm tempted to call them to find out what they are up to and to give bogus answers.
Do you smoke? Yes sir, I do. Every thanksgiving I smoke a turkey.
Do you drink alcohol? No sir, but we do have a small bottle to swab wounds.
Do you have firearms? No sir, but my husband does have athletes foot and he tells me all of the time, it's just like a fire between his toes, does that count?
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Sheeeott. THAT would be tossed in the garbage as many damn times as they tried to send it to me KC. Screw that. Don't comply.
And in a New York damn minute!
I am all for compliance.
IOW, I like to screw around with them.
You want to ask me a question? I'll give you an answer.
What race are you? I identify as purple.
Of course, this person will try and tell me there is no such race. I just argue.
Of course there is a purple! I am obviously purple! What's wrong with you? I'm looking in the mirror right now, my face is friggin' Purple! Can you prove I am not purple? Are you here? Do you have a surveillance camera on me?!
I can't believe you are watching me...
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Unless alcohol abuse becomes a problem in the workplace, why would an employer even care about what an employee is drinking?
Its not an employers business nor the federal governments for that matter.