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Topics => The Police State => Topic started by: Maddy on November 19, 2013, 06:46:50 PM
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North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood
Some drivers along a busy Fort Worth street on Friday were stopped at a police roadblock and directed into a parking lot, where they were asked by federal contractors for samples of their breath, saliva and even blood.
(http://media.nbcdfw.com/images/654*368/suspicious_cop_gordon_1200x675_65107011576.jpg)
It was part of a government research study aimed at determining the number of drunken or drug-impaired drivers.
"It just doesn't seem right that you can be forced off the road when you're not doing anything wrong," said Kim Cope, who said she was on her lunch break when she was forced to pull over at the roadblock on Beach Street in North Fort Worth.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which is spending $7.9 million on the survey over three years, said participation was "100 percent voluntary" and anonymous.
But Cope said it didn't feel voluntary to her -- despite signs saying it was.
"I gestured to the guy in front that I just wanted to go straight, but he wouldn't let me and forced me into a parking spot," she said.
Once parked, she couldn't believe what she was asked next.
"They were asking for cheek swabs," she said. "They would give $10 for that. Also, if you let them take your blood, they would pay you $50 for that."
At the very least, she said, they wanted to test her breath for alcohol.
She said she felt trapped.
"I finally did the Breathalyzer test just because I thought that would be the easiest way to leave," she said, adding she received no money.
Read more... (http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/North-Texas-Drivers-Stopped-at-Roadblock-Asked-for-Saliva-Blood-232438621.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_DFWBrand&utm_content=buffer87aa1&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer)
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I wouldn't have done a damned thing to satiate the Gestapo troopers.
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You don't allow them to "force you into a parking spot"; you stay right where you are, roll down the window just enough to be heard, say no, and ask if you're free to go or under arrest. If they say "free to go", go. If they say "under arrest", ask the charges. And THAT'S ALL; don't move, don't get out of the vehicle and make sure your phone is filming. It's going to take some time, more time than if you just complied, but if more people did it, they'd stop this crap.
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I'd have to politely inform the officer that I did not want to participate in the voluntary survey. That I understood they were doing their jobs, that I appreciate and respect our law enforcement officers, but I was uncomfortable with the situation.
There is a way to refuse and a way not to refuse. Generally, I've found that todays LEO's have over bloated egos. So, stroke them a bit and get on your way. Creating a battle on the side of the road is nonproductive. File a complaint after they release you.
There will be enough compliant, uninformed people they can swab after you leave.
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LOL. Hope that works out for you.
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LOL. Hope that works out for you.
It has not happened to me yet, so I can't say.
I do know that it easier to talk a big game before ever playing the game.
Once upon a time I was at my desk typing and saw a bit of green flash by the window. I thought nothing of it. Then I saw another flash of green. I just kept typing.
A few minutes later I hear a mans voice in a very authoritative tone say "ma'm back away from your computer"
Whaaaa? I keep typing. It does not compute. It was not within my reality or experience.
MA'M BACK AWAY FROM YOUR COMPUTER!
I turn slightly to my right and look straight into a gun barrel.
Now, if you are watching this on television, you're thinking back away from the computer dumb sh*t.
But that is not reality.
Reality is far different than a newspaper article or story or movie.
I worked for a company that built turbines. Big ones. I do not know why the ATF raided them. I know they had customers and employees alike in the shop lined up against the walls and that they took everything out of my desk including my joke file (which they read and laughed over first) and placed it in little plastic evidence bags.
I know my job ended shortly thereafter. Everyone's did.
You know, it even took a few seconds looking down that barrel before I'd back away from my computer. It just didn't compute LOL.
So, until what you hear and see actually happens to you, there is no way to judge your reaction. You can only hope it is one that does not get you killed or arrested.
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I do know that it easier to talk a big game before ever playing the game.
Right. We'll see.
There was nothing at risk for you except your employer's crap ... and your job, I guess.
Lots more at stake when my Constitutional rights are at stake. Let 'em kill me. Or try.
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I'm not about to go out of my way to be antagonistic in any such situation, but I am also done with giving them the "solace" (for lack of a better word) that it's ok we know you're just "doing your job". Well if that's your damn job then you need to be ashamed. You need to be ridiculed and held in low regard. Because if it was my job, I wouldn't do it. Yet they do. Why? The fairy dust promise of a government pension is that compelling? Seems to me they're tacitly announcing what side they've chosen, and they're going to be inheriting a world where associations with the regime and its enforcement arm is decidedly a liability.
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You don't allow them to "force you into a parking spot"; you stay right where you are, roll down the window just enough to be heard, say no, and ask if you're free to go or under arrest. If they say "free to go", go. If they say "under arrest", ask the charges. And THAT'S ALL; don't move, don't get out of the vehicle and make sure your phone is filming. It's going to take some time, more time than if you just complied, but if more people did it, they'd stop this crap.
And be sure to get the badge number.
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I'm not about to go out of my way to be antagonistic in any such situation, but I am also done with giving them the "solace" (for lack of a better word) that it's ok we know you're just "doing your job". Well if that's your damn job then you need to be ashamed. You need to be ridiculed and held in low regard. Because if it was my job, I wouldn't do it. Yet they do. Why? The fairy dust promise of a government pension is that compelling? Seems to me they're tacitly announcing what side they've chosen, and they're going to be inheriting a world where associations with the regime and its enforcement arm is decidedly a liability.
Not complying, however politely, is seen as antagonistic; get used to it.
Multiple YouTubes show how it's done. They have their script, you have to have yours and it's sure to get 'em fumble-footed, so they'll escalate.
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I'm not about to go out of my way to be antagonistic in any such situation, but I am also done with giving them the "solace" (for lack of a better word) that it's ok we know you're just "doing your job". Well if that's your damn job then you need to be ashamed. You need to be ridiculed and held in low regard. Because if it was my job, I wouldn't do it. Yet they do. Why? The fairy dust promise of a government pension is that compelling? Seems to me they're tacitly announcing what side they've chosen, and they're going to be inheriting a world where associations with the regime and its enforcement arm is decidedly a liability.
Not complying, however politely, is seen as antagonistic; get used to it.
With that definition, I'm proud to be an antagonist.
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I'm not about to go out of my way to be antagonistic in any such situation, but I am also done with giving them the "solace" (for lack of a better word) that it's ok we know you're just "doing your job". Well if that's your damn job then you need to be ashamed. You need to be ridiculed and held in low regard. Because if it was my job, I wouldn't do it. Yet they do. Why? The fairy dust promise of a government pension is that compelling? Seems to me they're tacitly announcing what side they've chosen, and they're going to be inheriting a world where associations with the regime and its enforcement arm is decidedly a liability.
Not complying, however politely, is seen as antagonistic; get used to it.
I've been getting used to it for the past few years. I've been likewise getting my mind used to where this is taking us, and by that I don't mean getting used to clicking my heels together and offering the salute when my papers are demanded.
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I do know that it easier to talk a big game before ever playing the game.
Right. We'll see.
There was nothing at risk for you except your employer's crap ... and your job, I guess.
Lots more at stake when my Constitutional rights are at stake. Let 'em kill me. Or try.
Pandora,
I feel the same way you do, believe me.
I wish I could make you a nice cup of tea or coffee, or whatever you like, sit down and talk with you across my kitchen table.
I love the way you think, the way you express yourself.
You are fighting battles. I want to be free to fight the war.
The petty BS is gonna happen, it will keep happening because of the idiots who comply.
I won't make my stand at a highway checkpoint. There are those that should, who are perhaps ordained to do so.
We each have, will learn, our calling.
I will stand with you if you need me. As I will for others. But no one can fight every battle.
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I'd take that offer of coffee and bring home-made bread. You'd like it, I hope.
... no one can fight every battle.
KC, I've been fighting these battles all my adult life -- or, rather, and more truthfully, ducking them.
I don't have my own business because I wasn't going to deal with the bureaucratic bullsht. Not the right sink, not the right oven, health inspection, OSHA compliance. Okay, not.
I had to fight the gawdamn county just to build a garage on my own property -- the Health Dept. bitch threatened to shut off the power to my house if I didn't jump through her hoops, and I had to appeal to the State for permission to not termite treat a totally steel and concrete-composite structure, to do an end-run around the County.
I don't fly because I'll get arrested in the airport, if not just for the look on my face, but for refusing to have my rights to my person and personal effects violated. So, I drive, at an inconvenience and with great anger.
I've been ticketed for a bullsht violation by a bullsht cop, went to Court and had the judge upbraid me because of the look on my face while he bought the liar's version.
I've been stopped by a faux Homeland Security "officer" for driving around their bullsht "no passing on the right" traffic gawdamn rules, a situation the DOT set up during road "construction", and I played that. That won't happen again.
I can't deposit or withdraw my own money from my own bank account without being tracked and reported.
I had to get government permission to exercise my 2A right to be armed.
I have a shower head that spits water on my mid-back length hair and a toilet that needs coaxing to deal with the Crohn's results.
I moved out of my parents' home at nineteen because I was more than ready to be an adult, to make decisions and accept the consequences. And I have.
There's probably at least a hundred other incidents forgotten in the drift of time that's my almost sixty years -- probably no more and no less than your average American -- and, yes, I'm yelling, I'M DONE.
Now, we all do what we gotta do. And this regards the rest.
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If any one thinks he or she has problems now, wait until the EPA gets the "right" to control every drop of water on your property and in your home. ::pullhair::
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Yeah, thanks, OC, that helped. ::saywhat::
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Yeah, right. ::confused:: (I noted your smiley.)
It certainly didn't help me. I just get pisseder and pissteder as time goes on....
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Yeah, right. ::confused:: (I noted your smiley.)
It certainly didn't help me. I just get pisseder and pissteder as time goes on....
Yah, dood. "Smiley". It's my favorite; reflects my expression in real-time. I'm just .....blessed. Bwahah.
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::hysterical::
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When I saw this I wasn't surprised (unfortunately), but it still pissed me off nonetheless for several reasons.
For starters, this whole thing stinks to high heaven - and should to any thinking individual. What's most pathetic about it is the explanation that they tried to pass off to the public. A study? Yep. Whatever.
So let me get this straight; allegedly
- "It was part of a government research study aimed at determining the number of drunken or drug-impaired drivers." Really? Since when does this require a DNA test - those same DNA tests that are said to be, still in 2013, very expensive and still a bit time consuming? Further re: DNA, since when did Breathalyzers become so unreliable that they also require a second sample to be effective? Surely they aren't suggesting that they've become so unreliable that they will need to release, drop charges and provide restitution for those who've served time since they've been allowed to be used as evidence in court? They are willing to settle with each citizen that has paid thousands over the years in fines and fees to both the gvt as well as defense attorneys after being charged/imprisoned/fined for what is now, possibly being suggested is not as accurate as they once thought in catching drunk drivers as well as those under the influence of drugs? My ass. As a side note they've been using Breathalyzers to test for also drugs - not just booze - for the past few years from what I understand.
So is that what they are saying? Of course not.
Another thing that is beyond laughable is the "anonymous" part. Seriously? LOL! My pet unicorn that poses as a houseplant wouldn't even buy that crap. But hey - then again - the avg citizen, unfortunately, is all to willing to swallow that excuse. Unreal. I guess that they forgot that some of us out there actually have a couple of brain cells together and know damn well that's not only ridiculous to try to claim - but highly improbable (yes, I'm being generous here) unless all forms of video have been done away with - as well as pens, pencils, paper, voice boxes and human memory no longer exist. As if this entire thing wasn't filmed by on & off site cameras six ways 'till Sunday? None of the cops were taking notes of license plates & descriptions of the people as well as their cars?
I would hope at least a few of the folks knew damn well that even a Breathalyzer is all they need to obtain DNA. I would also hope that each of these people who complied realize that they are now part of a network of databases.
I mean, seriously? This stinks to high heaven of Obama for that reason alone - only he or someone like him would assume that all citizens are this. freaking. stupid. And, unfortunately, many are - and many just don't care, which they clearly banked on here.
Lastly, the only thing that does make sense here is that they are trying to buy the folks off by offering the detainees money for agreeing to this "study." Of course the cops are going to offer money knowing damn well that many broke, clueless idiots out there are far too happy to offer up whatever they ask for in return for a few bucks (taxpayer dollars.) And they know damn well most of those who weren't broke probably just shrugged it off as "doing their part for the community, and the majority of the others just wanted to get to where they were going and complied b/c they wanted to get to work, or whatever. ::bashing::
While I'm not holding my breath, I really hope Rick Perry steps in for some answers. Okay rant's over. For now. ::outrage::
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OMG! Maddy said "my ass". Classically good rant, girl. ::cool::
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Just as an aside, I have been nearly burned by the same "passing on the right" nonsense. I pointed out that the city or state (whichever one paved the damn road) had deliberately created areas on the shoulder specifically FOR passing left-turning cars on the -- get this -- right! So if it is illegal to pass on the right, why did the DOT encourage it by going to the trouble of paving that portion of the shoulder, and only on parts of the road where traffic frequently has to stop for cars making left turns? I don't know how it is where everyone else lives, but in this city morning traffic is already godawful enough without everyone diligently waiting behind every left turning car on a 2 lane road. Without those little go-arounds the whole situation would rapidly devolve into daily knife fights.
And regarding wimpy low flow shower heads, your troubles are over: http://www.amazon.com/Siroflex-Showerhead-From-Italy/dp/B000ZSF296/ (http://www.amazon.com/Siroflex-Showerhead-From-Italy/dp/B000ZSF296/)
My $11 Italian shower head annihilates the $80 chromed thing I had before. Seriously, it dumps out so much water you might actually drain your water heater before you're out of the shower.
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OMG! Maddy said "my ass". Classically good rant, girl. ::cool::
LOL! Thanks, Pandora!
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While I'm not holding my breath, I really hope Rick Perry steps in for some answers. Okay rant's over. For now. ::outrage::
Yeah I'm not holding my breath either. This would be the same Rick Perry who tried to order all young girls in Texas to get the Gardasil shot.
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Just as an aside, I have been nearly burned by the same "passing on the right" nonsense. I pointed out that the city or state (whichever one paved the damn road) had deliberately created areas on the shoulder specifically FOR passing left-turning cars on the -- get this -- right! So if it is illegal to pass on the right, why did the DOT encourage it by going to the trouble of paving that portion of the shoulder, and only on parts of the road where traffic frequently has to stop for cars making left turns? I don't know how it is where everyone else lives, but in this city morning traffic is already godawful enough without everyone diligently waiting behind every left turning car on a 2 lane road. Without those little go-arounds the whole situation would rapidly devolve into daily knife fights.
Seriously. At what point -- swear to God, I missed it -- did government's main function become impeding humans, traffic, commerce and progress -- as opposed to encouraging them?
And regarding wimpy low flow shower heads, your troubles are over: http://www.amazon.com/Siroflex-Showerhead-From-Italy/dp/B000ZSF296/ (http://www.amazon.com/Siroflex-Showerhead-From-Italy/dp/B000ZSF296/)
My $11 Italian shower head annihilates the $80 chromed thing I had before. Seriously, it dumps out so much water you might actually drain your water heater before you're out of the shower.
Darlin', if this works as you say, I'll kiss ya and buy/make you a steak dinner. Or lasagne. Or whatever you like to eat.
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OMG! Maddy said "my ass". Classically good rant, girl. ::cool::
LOL! Thanks, Pandora!
Oh honey, you are so welcome!
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It is simply amazing how many do not know the Constitution nor the Rights that they have that are guaranteed by that document.
My response (unreasonable or not) would be to ask LEOs (sarcastically or not), "Have you read the Constitution? Specifically that 4th Amendment thingy?"
Pan's right. We need our scripts ready. It also wouldn't hurt to put a civil liberties lawyer's office on speed dial, whether you've retained him or not. A simple 'Let me call my lawyer' as you begin to dial sends a 'I will not be intimidated' message. And I agree: Badge numbers, always get badge numbers.
Stern look from Border Agent, 50 miles inland: "I would appreciate the next time you come through here that you be more cooperative so that you can make our jobs easier." Yep, give up your rights to make their jobs easier. "I'm giving you a direct order." Authority hates to have their power questioned. No doubt about it, this is all about conditioning a Nation of sheeple to 'just follow orders'.
THE TOP U.S. CHECKPOINT REFUSALS OF 2012! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKiYpsQhZsI#ws)
There are a ton of these checkpoint refusal videos on YouTube.
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I have a hard time controlling my passion...I'd say temper but I've mellowed over the years...but something like this would get my blood up to boiling pretty dang quick...
I can see myself saying "You want me to what? Give you what?! Umm, no, not going to happen. First, do you have a warrant? No? Great! This looks like an illegal roadblock and an unconstitutional detention without any cause whatsoever, I'm calling my lawyer. What's your name? What's your badge number? What agency or city or state are you with? Who authorized you to do this? My lawyer would like a word with the senior officer present."
Anything beyond full cooperation with my demands is not going to end well. Anything interrupting the above flow is going to result in them being forced to go full-goon on this hostile human.
And, umm...this happened in Texas, right? Texas? TEXAS?!?!?!
::pullhair::
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And, umm...this happened in Texas, right? Texas? TEXAS?!?!?!
I think the vid is a compilation of various roadblocks. I think Texas and Arizona are represented, not sure of any other state, though.
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Pan's right. We need our scripts ready. It also wouldn't hurt to put a civil liberties lawyer's office on speed dial, whether you've retained him or not.
::thumbsup::
The Constitution belongs to me!
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A close buddy of mine, a Chicago cop, told me to NEVER agree to let a cop look through your vehicle. He says to respond to any smart-ass comments from the cop: "Go wake up a judge."
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Pan's right. We need our scripts ready. It also wouldn't hurt to put a civil liberties lawyer's office on speed dial, whether you've retained him or not.
::thumbsup::
The Constitution belongs to me!
Maybe I need LV on speed-dial?!
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A close buddy of mine, a Chicago cop, told me to NEVER agree to let a cop look through your vehicle. He says to respond to any smart-ass comments from the cop: "Go wake up a judge."
I like it!
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Pan's right. We need our scripts ready. It also wouldn't hurt to put a civil liberties lawyer's office on speed dial, whether you've retained him or not.
::thumbsup::
The Constitution belongs to me!
Maybe I need LV on speed-dial?!
you're sweet
Seriously, though I second RickZ's suggestion. And unless, you're about to be swatted I'd ask questions. That slows everything down and as they answer you have a chance to calm down and think. Calm goes along way to showing cooperation while protecting your rights.
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That was good.
Well, I don't know that "good" is the right term
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Well I get to face a judge on Dec.17 charged with Criminal failure to obey a LEO. I fully expect to beet the charges but I'll still be out 3K for the privilege.
Too long a story to type out but it's a real pain in the ass.
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I'd take that offer of coffee and bring home-made bread. You'd like it, I hope.
... no one can fight every battle.
KC, I've been fighting these battles all my adult life -- or, rather, and more truthfully, ducking them.
I don't have my own business because I wasn't going to deal with the bureaucratic bullsht. Not the right sink, not the right oven, health inspection, OSHA compliance. Okay, not.
I had to fight the gawdamn county just to build a garage on my own property -- the Health Dept. bitch threatened to shut off the power to my house if I didn't jump through her hoops, and I had to appeal to the State for permission to not termite treat a totally steel and concrete-composite structure, to do an end-run around the County.
I don't fly because I'll get arrested in the airport, if not just for the look on my face, but for refusing to have my rights to my person and personal effects violated. So, I drive, at an inconvenience and with great anger.
I've been ticketed for a bullsht violation by a bullsht cop, went to Court and had the judge upbraid me because of the look on my face while he bought the liar's version.
I've been stopped by a faux Homeland Security "officer" for driving around their bullsht "no passing on the right" traffic gawdamn rules, a situation the DOT set up during road "construction", and I played that. That won't happen again.
I can't deposit or withdraw my own money from my own bank account without being tracked and reported.
I had to get government permission to exercise my 2A right to be armed.
I have a shower head that spits water on my mid-back length hair and a toilet that needs coaxing to deal with the Crohn's results.
I moved out of my parents' home at nineteen because I was more than ready to be an adult, to make decisions and accept the consequences. And I have.
There's probably at least a hundred other incidents forgotten in the drift of time that's my almost sixty years -- probably no more and no less than your average American -- and, yes, I'm yelling, I'M DONE.
Now, we all do what we gotta do. And this regards the rest.
Home made bread? I haven't had that since I was a child. I consider myself a good cook, but not a very good baker. My bread could be a boat anchor. ::hysterical::
I'll have some good, real butter to go with. Do you like cream and sugar?
Regarding the OP. I didn't mean to imply I would submit; I would just be nice. Police officers can get ornery when their authority is questioned. If their stated purpose in pulling me over was for a survey, I would decline the survey and attempt to give them no cause to throw their weight around. IOW, they'd have nothing on me, not even disorderly conduct.
The question I did not see asked was, who the heck are federal contractors? Are they law enforcement? And who is paying the state police to pull people over for those contractors? These are questions that I would want to stay out of jail in order to ask them with credibility.
Moving along to your mini rant.
I hear you. We had a small business in the 90's and finally closed shop because of the regulations and taxes...the constant headaches and demands of the State and the Federal agencies who had to take such a big piece of the pie that there was none left to truly profit.
We've given up the purchase of property in both Colorado and Texas because of the (I call it shady) small print in contracts concerning environmental studies and restrictions.
I can and will, as time goes by rant about all of the other krap the government dishes out expecting us to not only eat it, but thank them for the privilege of doing so!
I've seen comments about this happening in Texas and Arizona, and how people are surprised that Texans would comply.
In defense of my home State. We have a lot of "outsiders" here because of the oil boom. Not only that, it was Houston. Geez! everyone knows all the idiots live in Houston and Austin.
BTW, I don't fly either. For your stated reasons.
And I don't even want to talk about trouble with my toilet. It's been in this house since 1959, I refuse to get the new ones because, well, if I have to flush three times it sure won't be because the tank only holds four ounces of water....
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Can't help you with your toilet tonight but if you tell me what it's doing I can probably help you with it at a later date like maybe tomorrow.
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Well I get to face a judge on Dec.17 charged with Criminal failure to obey a LEO. I fully expect to beet the charges but I'll still be out 3K for the privilege.
Too long a story to type out but it's a real pain in the ass.
What? Did I miss something? Can you give a hint?
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I'll have some good, real butter to go with. Do you like cream and sugar?
Good with all three. In the someday, maybe I can swing by and pick up Lady Virginia on my way; I'm sure she can add to the conversation.
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I'll have some good, real butter to go with. Do you like cream and sugar?
Good with all three. In the someday, maybe I can swing by and pick up Lady Virginia on my way; I'm sure she can add to the conversation.
I might have a thought or two. ;D
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Yup. I'm still pissed.
I heard Beck rant on this today and I hope he follows up on it. I will say that Beck is pretty good about holding the feet to the fire when it comes to it, but that makes no difference to me. Beck...schmeck. Like the guy - as well as Pat and Stu - I really think that they are good guys doing what they think are best. 'Nuff on that. Learned a helluva lot.
As far as these legal issues go, I'm pretty much with everyone here in terms of reaction. "Wake a judge up." Good advice as well as the rest that I've seen.
Also know that I deal with ALJs, et al... (Administrative Law Judges) every. freaking. day. Only in a civil capacity, however. Most of them make me crazy, nonetheless.
Also know that the avg person here is more intelligent than the ALJ's that I deal with. This is very important. Don't second-guess yourself. Ever.
You should also know that many (depending on what state you live in) "Referees, aka, ALJ's, and Hearing Officers have no more - many times less - education than you do.
Always appeal if you lose your case - but be sure to do so timely no matter if you are representing yourself or not. Read your mail.
Just thought it would be a good tip for anyone intimated by such. Don't ever be. These folks are your next door neighbor that spend a few yrs working for the state and got slapped with a title for what could be a bevy of reasons. Or? They flunked out of law school - or never even went. Anymore, there aren't the as many small civil judges that actually passed the Bar in civil administration anymore. I can elaborate on that if need be.
Half of the time I deal with them anymore they are lucky if they can speak proper English. Yes, Proper English. Sad, but true.
Lastly, as some have said on this thread, always know your rights as well as the constitution. Always. Should you cite it to them in question, chances are that they will balk and continue whatever proceeding that you may be in. Continuances can be good - speaks to the ignorance of the sitting ALJ but may cost you. Really depends on your case and whether you already have council or not. Just always remember - do your homework, and appeal if you feel your case has legitimate merit. The worst the Board can do is toss your appeal. Then? You can always go to the Supreme Court (on your own dime, case pending.)
Ok - I think I'm going to go watch some Walking Dead. Addicted!
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Yah, good advice, Maddy.
Could be LV and I will be swingin' 'round to pick up Maddy on the way, too, KC. Howzzat?
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Yah, good advice, Maddy.
Could be LV and I will be swingin' 'round to pick up Maddy on the way, too, KC. Howzzat?
Do you have one of the cool Griswold station wagons from "Vacation" or do we have to ride in some crappy armored Humvee? Man that would suck! :D
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I like the response, "Oh, you won't need my permission if you can convince the judge to sign off on whatever it is you want to do and just show my lawyer the signed order."
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No, we got a cool F150 pickup. So, qwicherbichin and do you wanna come or not? (Sheesh, everybody's a critic.)
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Pan's right. We need our scripts ready. It also wouldn't hurt to put a civil liberties lawyer's office on speed dial, whether you've retained him or not.
::thumbsup::
The Constitution belongs to me!
Maybe I need LV on speed-dial?!
you're sweet
Seriously, though I second RickZ's suggestion. And unless, you're about to be swatted I'd ask questions. That slows everything down and as they answer you have a chance to calm down and think. Calm goes along way to showing cooperation while protecting your rights.
Sounds like good advice. If I can get past step one (keep my mouth shut...all other steps pale in comparison to this one!) I might do OK.
::thumbsup::
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No, we got a cool F150 pickup.
excellent
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I'll have some good, real butter to go with. Do you like cream and sugar?
Good with all three. In the someday, maybe I can swing by and pick up Lady Virginia on my way; I'm sure she can add to the conversation.
I might have a thought or two. ;D
That would be Grand!
My husband would say our gathering would "sound like a telephone operators convention" Which is far better than being called a bunch of hens.
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Well I get to face a judge on Dec.17 charged with Criminal failure to obey a LEO. I fully expect to beet the charges but I'll still be out 3K for the privilege.
Too long a story to type out but it's a real pain in the ass.
What? Did I miss something? Can you give a hint?
I went around a cop car left almost blocking a lane in the road looking for the cop so I could get directions from his sorry ass. Turns out he was sitting in the car and I could not see him behind his deep tinted windows and it was after dark and with mi headlights hitting the car you cannot see him.
He hit the siren as I was almost by him so that I was not blocking traffic and get some help,he helped me to a criminal charge of failure to obey a LEO even though he was not there to give an order to disobey. And in his comments he has the stupidity to admit that he was sitting in his car and not directing traffic and that he had to pull the car forward to block the lane and my lawyer says that it's doubtfull that it goes to full blown court just based on his own comments and if it does go to court she will rip it to pieces and it will die there.
She says that it's so easy that she would charge me 1200 instead of 3000.(shocked me too).She's filing a motion to dismiss but hopes it goes to trial so she can get at his dumb ass,that's a quote. She also referred to him as an arrogant ass with a badge and a gun.
The funny part is that his story and my story matched when she read his comments back to me after I told her my side of it first,so she saw that I was telling her the truth(sneaky bitch)but then again she does business with a lot of people dat didn't do nuffin.
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An oldie but a goody. Take the time to watch, if you can ...
This video discusses how the police will seize upon a minor discrepancy or circumstantial fact unrelated to a crime, to ensnare an innocent person into a situation in which the police are able to create doubt of innocence. In these circumstances, the police are not your friend; they want to solve a crime. Anybody who has spent any time (for example) reading the hundreds of analyses of firearms cases by James Bardwell cannot help but be struck by the significant number of times that at the time ATF first approached the now-convicted defendant, the now-convicted defendant didn't have a legal problem. What happened is that the now-convicted defendant couldn't keep his mouth shut and talked himself into a violation of the law.
Don't Talk to the Police/Cops | James Duane (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkZf6_jK3Zs#)
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2013/11/praxis-talking-to-police.html (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2013/11/praxis-talking-to-police.html)
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Well I get to face a judge on Dec.17 charged with Criminal failure to obey a LEO. I fully expect to beet the charges but I'll still be out 3K for the privilege.
Too long a story to type out but it's a real pain in the ass.
What? Did I miss something? Can you give a hint?
I went around a cop car left almost blocking a lane in the road looking for the cop so I could get directions from his sorry ass. Turns out he was sitting in the car and I could not see him behind his deep tinted windows and it was after dark and with mi headlights hitting the car you cannot see him.
He hit the siren as I was almost by him so that I was not blocking traffic and get some help,he helped me to a criminal charge of failure to obey a LEO even though he was not there to give an order to disobey. And in his comments he has the stupidity to admit that he was sitting in his car and not directing traffic and that he had to pull the car forward to block the lane and my lawyer says that it's doubtfull that it goes to full blown court just based on his own comments and if it does go to court she will rip it to pieces and it will die there.
She says that it's so easy that she would charge me 1200 instead of 3000.(shocked me too).She's filing a motion to dismiss but hopes it goes to trial so she can get at his dumb ass,that's a quote. She also referred to him as an arrogant ass with a badge and a gun.
The funny part is that his story and my story matched when she read his comments back to me after I told her my side of it first,so she saw that I was telling her the truth(sneaky bitch)but then again she does business with a lot of people dat didn't do nuffin.
Ridiculous! What the heck was he blocking the road for, sitting in a darkened car?
Sounds like you'll win this one, but it sure isn't pleasant to have to defend yourself and pay that sort of money when you've not done anything wrong.
Thanks for the enlightenment.
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There was a car accident about 300 feet down the road but nobody thought that traffic might need directing or any need for road flares.
Thanks and yes it is nothing new.
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An oldie but a goody. Take the time to watch, if you can ...
This video discusses how the police will seize upon a minor discrepancy or circumstantial fact unrelated to a crime, to ensnare an innocent person into a situation in which the police are able to create doubt of innocence. In these circumstances, the police are not your friend; they want to solve a crime. Anybody who has spent any time (for example) reading the hundreds of analyses of firearms cases by James Bardwell cannot help but be struck by the significant number of times that at the time ATF first approached the now-convicted defendant, the now-convicted defendant didn't have a legal problem. What happened is that the now-convicted defendant couldn't keep his mouth shut and talked himself into a violation of the law.
One evening not too many years ago I was meeting up with some family members to have a drink after having watched a movie. We were in a suburban area of seattle that is (locally) noted for being trendy (AKA stick~up~their~butts snooty).
As I was driving through an acreage of awkwardly-platted parking my right-rear tire caught the very corner of a low curb and a chirped the tire. Almost immediately a cop rushed out into the street to intercept me. It was my singular misfortune that I found myself at the mercy of a female mall cop (the absolute wort kind).
She practically sprinted up to my car window and demanded to know "What the hell is wrong with you?!!!"
I answered, "nothing"
She pressed, "Are you crazy? Are you on drugs?! Why are you driving like a lunatic?!!!!!"
I replied, "Sorry about chirping the tire - I mistakenly caught the corner of a curb"
That wasn't good enough for her. "Have you been drinking? she demanded. Where have you been? Where are you going?"
When I started to reply she cut me off..."You got some kind of attitude, don't you? You think the law only applies to others, not you?"
"No" is all I said.
"Then why are you acting like you can do any damned thing you want?!!"
I just looked at her.
"Are you going to answer me?"
"Am I free to go?" I asked.
"No!!!" she shouted. "You're right on the verge of being arrested!"
Now answer me - why were you driving like a maniac?"
Just like your vid, she was posing a no-win (for me) question designed to induce me to incriminate myself. So I chose silence.
"Are you gonna answer me or are you going to jail?!!"
"I'm just trying to park my car" I replied.
"Bullsh*t. I saw you! You were racing through the parking lot!" (a complete fabrication).
Silence.
"Are you gonna answer me or are you going to jail?!!" she repeated.
Silence.
"What's it going to be?!"
"Am I free to go?" I asked.
Then came the inevitable lecture about how generous and wonderful she was, how much of a monster I was, and how the world would be a better place if I just simply wasn't in it. Finally she told me to leave - town. I was more than relieved to do so.
Oh, and one other thing. The whole time that she was acting like a complete C-word I had my .45 pointed at her baby-making parts. And my brother was a dozen feet behind her with his .45 at the ready to take her head off.
Stupid bitch isn't bright enough to realize how blessed she is to still be on the planet and able to be a bitch.
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No, we got a cool F150 pickup. So, qwicherbichin and do you wanna come or not? (Sheesh, everybody's a critic.)
Indeedy. I got some firewater, too! ;D
It'll feed the tank and us!
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Soup, it has likewise been my observation that women are the very worst authoritarians. They have all the arrogant, imperious bearing of their male counterparts, but add to it a certain busybody schoolmarm quality.
A whole, whole lot of these people are going to be f**ked with a capital F when TSHTF.
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No, we got a cool F150 pickup. So, qwicherbichin and do you wanna come or not? (Sheesh, everybody's a critic.)
Indeedy. I got some firewater, too! ;D
It'll feed the tank and us!
OKAY! Now we be rockin' at four.
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::bustamove:: ::bustamove:: ::bustamove:: ::bustamove::
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No, we got a cool F150 pickup. So, qwicherbichin and do you wanna come or not? (Sheesh, everybody's a critic.)
Indeedy. I got some firewater, too! ;D
It'll feed the tank and us!
OKAY! Now we be rockin' at four.
If I tell my spouse about the trip, look for the bus loaded with her, her sisters, nieces, and friends. ::doh::
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An oldie but a goody. Take the time to watch, if you can ...
This video discusses how the police will seize upon a minor discrepancy or circumstantial fact unrelated to a crime, to ensnare an innocent person into a situation in which the police are able to create doubt of innocence. In these circumstances, the police are not your friend; they want to solve a crime. Anybody who has spent any time (for example) reading the hundreds of analyses of firearms cases by James Bardwell cannot help but be struck by the significant number of times that at the time ATF first approached the now-convicted defendant, the now-convicted defendant didn't have a legal problem. What happened is that the now-convicted defendant couldn't keep his mouth shut and talked himself into a violation of the law.
Don't Talk to the Police/Cops | James Duane (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkZf6_jK3Zs#)
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2013/11/praxis-talking-to-police.html (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2013/11/praxis-talking-to-police.html)
That there is gold and a must-watch for everybody! I think CO posted this a long time ago in a forum far far away IIRC.
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Soup, it has likewise been my observation that women are the very worst authoritarians. They have all the arrogant, imperious bearing of their male counterparts, but add to it a certain busybody schoolmarm quality.
A whole, whole lot of these people are going to be f**ked with a capital F when TSHTF.
Yup. Gonna be a stark shortage of pity too...
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Soup, it has likewise been my observation that women are the very worst authoritarians. They have all the arrogant, imperious bearing of their male counterparts, but add to it a certain busybody schoolmarm quality.
A whole, whole lot of these people are going to be f**ked with a capital F when TSHTF.
Yup. Gonna be a stark shortage of pity too...
Indeed. Female bosses are the worst. No argument there, fer damn sure!
Glock - I think I may be taking They have all the arrogant, imperious bearing of their male counterparts, but add to it a certain busybody schoolmarm quality. A whole, whole lot of these people are going to be f**ked with a capital F when TSHTF. this out of context.
If not, you may want to re-think that.
Seriously.
For your own benefit. Here's a cheap, crappy example to make a semblance of a point:
http://listverse.com/2012/12/29/10-american-female-serial-killers/ (http://listverse.com/2012/12/29/10-american-female-serial-killers/)
Again - I think I'm reading you wrong.
If not? Well you'll likely be one of the first to perish. Assumptions, while easy - and sometimes imperative - are human nature. Armchair assumptions can be (literally) deadly. Use your head.
Otherwise, if I'm [edited to remove 'not'] mis-reading you, I want to fire some rounds off the Glock(s)! I'll so apologize, bring firewater - and tripleberry pie w/ homemade crust!
BTW - I'm no feminist (don't stoop that low) and will never claim to be. They're full of sh*te anyway. Say one thing and do another - and that's being nice. 'Nuff said!
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No, we got a cool F150 pickup. So, qwicherbichin and do you wanna come or not? (Sheesh, everybody's a critic.)
Indeedy. I got some firewater, too! ;D
It'll feed the tank and us!
Firewater requires match to burn.
Fire-beer. I have iced glasses or respect for drinking from bottle or can (bottle for low-end, canned for the rest) IMO, all beer is "the rest" .
Fire-tequila. Shot glasses,lime and salt on hand. (Get it? On hand?) also margarita mix and triple sec.
Fire-vodka or gin...I don't know. You actually had me at firewater. ::hysterical::
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LOL! I don't have true 'firewater' (wish I did!) In fact, now that you mention it I think I'll put a bug in Dad's ear to make us some. Probably the only person I know alive that can - and will most likely look at me cockeyed "what ya want that for?"...
Dad's actually too busy being retired (or so Mom wishes ;0) Here's a few shots of the backyard. Dad's getting the hang of being retired...
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Sorry - forgot to explain. That's my parent's backyard. There are several shots like this (as is in most suburbia today), but there is another that I don't like. Probably hit on the highway. I'll look for it and see if I can find/post it. Upside? Dad sees the same deer nearly everyday and he's doing great. Getting around like a champ! ::cool::
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Soup, it has likewise been my observation that women are the very worst authoritarians. They have all the arrogant, imperious bearing of their male counterparts, but add to it a certain busybody schoolmarm quality.
A whole, whole lot of these people are going to be f**ked with a capital F when TSHTF.
Yup. Gonna be a stark shortage of pity too...
Indeed. Female bosses are the worst. No argument there, fer damn sure!
Glock - I think I may be taking They have all the arrogant, imperious bearing of their male counterparts, but add to it a certain busybody schoolmarm quality. A whole, whole lot of these people are going to be f**ked with a capital F when TSHTF. this out of context.
If not, you may want to re-think that.
Seriously.
For your own benefit. Here's a cheap, crappy example to make a semblance of a point:
http://listverse.com/2012/12/29/10-american-female-serial-killers/ (http://listverse.com/2012/12/29/10-american-female-serial-killers/)
Again - I think I'm reading you wrong.
If not? Well you'll likely be one of the first to perish. Assumptions, while easy - and sometimes imperative - are human nature. Armchair assumptions can be (literally) deadly. Use your head.
Otherwise, if I'm [edited to remove 'not'] mis-reading you, I want to fire some rounds off the Glock(s)! I'll so apologize, bring firewater - and tripleberry pie w/ homemade crust!
BTW - I'm no feminist (don't stoop that low) and will never claim to be. They're full of sh*te anyway. Say one thing and do another - and that's being nice. 'Nuff said!
I'm not talking about women being raped. I'm talking about wannabe tyrants in polyester uniforms and tin badges finding the rug yanked out from under them when the system they serve no longer commands obedience from an increasingly put upon population. It's going to decidedly be a liability to have been one of the regime's willing enforcers. The smart ones won't be able to get out of those uniforms fast enough.
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Wait. Rape? No way - didn't even cross my mind.
WTF? No - I mistook you, I think. I'll try and DM you if that's okay.
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Wait. Rape? No way - didn't even cross my mind.
WTF? No - I mistook you, I think. I'll try and DM you if that's okay.
Ahh. I thought you were referring to my use of colorful language as a boast of what might befall some of these women. Of course what I meant is that they, and petty tyrants of the male variety too, will be "F'd" in the up-the-creek-without-a-paddle way.
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Ahh. I thought you were referring to my use of colorful language as a boast of what might befall some of these women. Of course what I meant is that they, and petty tyrants of the male variety too, will be "F'd" in the up-the-creek-without-a-paddle way.
Or, "up the proverbial tributary without a suitable means of propulsion."
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Soup, it has likewise been my observation that women are the very worst authoritarians. They have all the arrogant, imperious bearing of their male counterparts, but add to it a certain busybody schoolmarm quality.
A whole, whole lot of these people are going to be f**ked with a capital F when TSHTF.
Yup. Gonna be a stark shortage of pity too...
Indeed. Female bosses are the worst. No argument there, fer damn sure!
Glock - I think I may be taking They have all the arrogant, imperious bearing of their male counterparts, but add to it a certain busybody schoolmarm quality. A whole, whole lot of these people are going to be f**ked with a capital F when TSHTF. this out of context.
If not, you may want to re-think that.
Seriously.
For your own benefit. Here's a cheap, crappy example to make a semblance of a point:
http://listverse.com/2012/12/29/10-american-female-serial-killers/ (http://listverse.com/2012/12/29/10-american-female-serial-killers/)
Again - I think I'm reading you wrong.
If not? Well you'll likely be one of the first to perish. Assumptions, while easy - and sometimes imperative - are human nature. Armchair assumptions can be (literally) deadly. Use your head.
Otherwise, if I'm [edited to remove 'not'] mis-reading you, I want to fire some rounds off the Glock(s)! I'll so apologize, bring firewater - and tripleberry pie w/ homemade crust!
BTW - I'm no feminist (don't stoop that low) and will never claim to be. They're full of sh*te anyway. Say one thing and do another - and that's being nice. 'Nuff said!
Why do most of these murderous women pick on old folks? Just another reason to avoid nursing homes and the like! If people fear me and refer to me in low voices as "that crazy old man in the woods" that's good enough for me!
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And now in Pennsylvania, too:
http://readingeagle.com/article/20131217/NEWS/312179910#.Ur0dqPa1HIY (http://readingeagle.com/article/20131217/NEWS/312179910#.Ur0dqPa1HIY)
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Insane!
What are the odds I would come across a Hitler Youth gung-ho fascist with a badge if I came across this BS? Seriously, this kind of patently unconstitutional crap would set me off...I cannot say the end result would not be me and fascist-without-a-clue drawing on each other. These asshats clearly are unconcerned with how the public might react to this shyt! Soon they'll push the wrong person...and somebody will die...and either way they'll use the incident to usher in all manner of additional fascist crap.
No way this trend ends well.
Oh well, shyt happens.