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Title: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 09, 2013, 08:22:08 AM
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7669066a-601f-11e3-b360-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2mz0WYySH (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7669066a-601f-11e3-b360-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2mz0WYySH)

Not that Europe is exaclty the exemplar of freedom and virtue...but these folks really have been a plaything for the Russians for far too long...at some point they have to create their own identity and be free and independent on their own terms and not be a pawn of any power!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: ToddF on December 09, 2013, 08:29:03 AM
Ironic what started it.  A leftist piece of garbage pretending he's a "right" thinker, just to go left again after winning.

A lesson to those who think any Democrat piece of garbage is anything but.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on December 09, 2013, 03:27:18 PM
FT has one of those obnoxious paywalls.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 10, 2013, 07:48:06 AM
Crap, forgot about that...link from Drudge or someplace and you get it, kinda a one and done then that wall hits!   ::bashing::

As usual you get out of Amerika and the coverage is more widespread...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-divided-as-tens-of-thousands-protest-against-governments-scrapped-eu-deal-8960577.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-divided-as-tens-of-thousands-protest-against-governments-scrapped-eu-deal-8960577.html)

This sentiment was echoed by a number of protesters who spoke to The Independent. Anatolii, a 43 year-old Kiev resident, said: “Everyone who wants to live in a better Ukraine should be here today. This is about people coming together to achieve one aim – to be free, independent and proud of our country.”

Hang onto that desire and make it a reality.

Meanwhile Vald's puppet keeping a lid on the opposition -

Meanwhile, heavyweight world boxing champion and opposition Presidential candidate Vitalii Klitschko found his plane diverted as he attempted to return to Kiev from a business trip.

A spokesperson for his party said that he had been forced to land in a city several hundred miles from Kiev and the authorities had refused to allow him to leave the plane.

Read more on Vitalii & the UDAR here -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitali_Klitschko (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitali_Klitschko)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Democratic_Alliance_for_Reform (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Democratic_Alliance_for_Reform)

My main problem with this guy and this party is it is basically a populist party out to not ruffle too many feathers but wants to end the corruption and cease being a vassal of Russia.  The latter two are all well and good, but after that the big "uhh, now what?" hits.

Sadly, I am not convinced Ukraine has the right people in place to give it real free and independent freedom...which the people obviously long for.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on December 10, 2013, 02:10:25 PM
A few years back I went on a couple of dates with a Ukrainian girl.  She made sure everyone knew the language she spoke is Ukrainian, not Russian. Definitely no love lost for Russia.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 11, 2013, 07:11:56 AM
A few years back I went on a couple of dates with a Ukrainian girl.  She made sure everyone knew the language she spoke is Ukrainian, not Russian. Definitely no love lost for Russia.

Used to be in contact with some folks over there, helped me trace back my fathers line about as far as I could go, two world wars and countless other skirmishes really made recordkeeping a mess in that neck of the world.  Hope they are OK, haven't heard from them in years.  But the attitiude you describe is embedded, and I think the Soviet Occupation only intensified that.  Also, they get peeved over the proper way to refer to their nation - it is Ukraine, not "the Ukraine"...you don't say "the Russia" do you?!

It's tragic that a people so dominated and abused by Russia still has elements willing to subjugate themselves just for a little power of being the top dog in a lower tier pound!

The Russian Bear wants to keep Ukraine stuggling, poor and well under its heel...and this asswipe Yanukovich will do whatever Vlad says! 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-10/ukraine-escalates-police-storm-protest-camp (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-10/ukraine-escalates-police-storm-protest-camp)

States in this area should have built a confederacy years ago to check both Russia and the EU, none of them will ever be independent and free until that happens...so I expect nothing but more of the same and endless misery for the people in the region.

Makes me sick.  It didn't have to be this way!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 27, 2014, 11:40:54 AM
These poor people are so screwed.  Wish they would have a true independence movement and tell both EU-loving faction and Rooskie-loving factions to FOAD but alas that seems improbable.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-27/ukrainian-currency-plunges-justice-minister-set-call-state-emergency (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-27/ukrainian-currency-plunges-justice-minister-set-call-state-emergency)

A state of emergency declaration would really trash their currency and more importantly guarantee it will be BITS for some time...could even be the pretext for a regional bully to intervene, even if by proxy.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 30, 2014, 08:41:45 AM
Why do I get the distinct impression that the Sochi games are going to be eclipsed by unwanted intervention in Ukraine that could end the games before they start?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-30/ukraine-stocks-plunge-18-month-lows-ex-president-warns-imminent-civil-war (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-30/ukraine-stocks-plunge-18-month-lows-ex-president-warns-imminent-civil-war)

Fricken Vlad better stay the hell out of Ukraine!  These people deserve to chart their own course free of Russian or European interference!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on January 31, 2014, 01:31:21 PM
I like this idea the Ukrainian protesters are using. They're holding up mirrors, forcing the goon squads to look at themselves all decked out like Robocop. I'd like to see it used here.

http://moonbattery.com/?p=41853 (http://moonbattery.com/?p=41853)

(http://moonbattery.com/graphics/ukraine-mirror-police.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: LadyVirginia on January 31, 2014, 02:06:30 PM
I like this idea the Ukrainian protesters are using. They're holding up mirrors, forcing the goon squads to look at themselves all decked out like Robocop. I'd like to see it used here.


I like that too.

I recently saw pictures of religious men (priests maybe? I don't know what religion is in the Ukraine) standing between the protesters and the enforcement squads.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: oldcoastie6468 on January 31, 2014, 02:55:15 PM
And so goes the world today........  :'(
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: richb on January 31, 2014, 09:48:37 PM
The Soviet Union may have gone down,  but the world is not becoming a freer place. 

There is that saying,  "the new boss,  just like the old boss".    I think it fits the bill well.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 03, 2014, 07:38:55 AM
I like this idea the Ukrainian protesters are using. They're holding up mirrors, forcing the goon squads to look at themselves all decked out like Robocop. I'd like to see it used here.


I like that too.

I recently saw pictures of religious men (priests maybe? I don't know what religion is in the Ukraine) standing between the protesters and the enforcement squads.

The mirror thing is nice.  And as to religion I believe Orthodox of one flavor or another is predominate, but there is a large atheist contingent, no doubt due to decades of Soviet iron-fisted Marxist rule.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 19, 2014, 08:29:32 AM
The home of my paternal ancestors looks to be going full BITS and I fear my prediction of a Russian intervention may be increasing exponentially. 

Lviv seems to be becoming the epicenter of the rebellion against the Russian-backed central government.  No surprise, being Lviv is in the western half of the nation geographically as well as in ethnicity and philosophy.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-18/ukraine-slide-accelerates-ag-office-seized-criminal-files-being-set-fire-us-hold-gov (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-18/ukraine-slide-accelerates-ag-office-seized-criminal-files-being-set-fire-us-hold-gov)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-18/how-ukrainian-protesters-attack-armored-personnel-carrier (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-18/how-ukrainian-protesters-attack-armored-personnel-carrier)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-19/ukraine-region-declares-independence-sending-dollar-bonds-record-low-russian-ruble-t (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-19/ukraine-region-declares-independence-sending-dollar-bonds-record-low-russian-ruble-t)

Weapons cache seized!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-19/ukraine-military-reveals-protesters-stole-weapons-cache-guilty-terrorist-acts (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-19/ukraine-military-reveals-protesters-stole-weapons-cache-guilty-terrorist-acts)

Russia - stay out and shut up!
EU & US - shut up, let Ukrainian people establish an independent Ukraine free of either of you jackasses!

ETA - Ukraine military given the green light (no doubt endorsed by Vladi!) to use "terrorist" cause as the justification to unleash military force upon its own citizens.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-19/it-begins-ukraine-army-given-power-use-weapons-civilians-live-feed (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-19/it-begins-ukraine-army-given-power-use-weapons-civilians-live-feed)

Sick, sad...tragic.  This is oh so wrong.  Pray for the people, and may the murderers not escape judgement!   ::praying::

It's 2014 around the whole globe, not just here...somebody explain to me it just cannot and will not ever happen here?!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on February 19, 2014, 02:25:26 PM
Interestingly enough, I just read a site last night about the secret tunnels under Odessa.  There's something like 2,500 km of catacombs and tunnels under the Odessa area, built over the centuries. Partisans hid in them during WWII and remained a thorn in the German and Romanian side for the duration of the occupation. They could never eradicate them from the tunnels.

So if Ivan wants to throw his weight around on Ukraine, against the desires of the people there, they can make it very unpleasant for a very long time. I'm also now consciously calling it "Ukraine" rather than "the Ukraine".  Putting "the" in front just plays to Russian notions that it is a region of Greater Russia rather than its own independent, sovereign nation.

I wish those people luck. I get wanting to be out from under the Russian thumb, but the way of the EU will just see their sovereignty taken by the globalists instead.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 20, 2014, 07:13:07 AM
Yeah, it's hairy over there.  Done wore myself out yesterday arguing with Russia-lovers at ZH, they got a lot of morons over there who get a woody over strongman Vladi, and other who just find it convenient to be pro-Russia cause by proxy it gives the stink-finger to our idiot MommaJeans.  People are actually deluded into thinking Ukrainians like Russia.  Maybe the Eastern half that has always been more ethnically and philosophically tied to those mongrels, not so the Western half...the people there like speaking Ukrainian, remember the oppression of the Russians and the Germans, but the Germans were at least outsiders, being treated like second class citizens by fellow Slav's stung deep.  It is like comparing the Russians of St.Petersburg to the rabble in Moscow.  One looks west, the other east.  Same as it ever was.

Now they got this truce.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-19/ukraine-government-opposition-truce-announced (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-19/ukraine-government-opposition-truce-announced)

Seriously, I don't know what the opposition has to gain here?  Unless they are using the break to consolidate thier positions and arm up...how do you deal honestly with these coorrupt clowns?  How can you check Russian agents with stacks of cash that are no doubt in-country making sure their people emerge with power and it's business as usual?  How do you trust these thugs?

I would have kept the pressure on, made them go all-in or cave, if they go all-in we could see sympathy swing over to the opposition, if they cave maybe they can purge the deadwood.

This is not over yet.

ETA - Shyt, that didn't take long!

Looks like Putin's bag men got to the corrupt and paid them off, 20 dead peons and just one dead stormtrooper?  Sounds like a planned restart of hostilities on Yanukovych's part, despite what lies that snake spres out his filthy face!

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/20/world/europe/ukraine-protests/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/20/world/europe/ukraine-protests/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

"They were shot directly to their hearts, their brain and to their neck," she said.

Yeah, the opposition started it!  Right!

Orders from Moscow - Crush them!

Now, death toll up to 51, 39 civilians and 12 goons.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/20/us-ukraine-idUSBREA1G0OU20140220 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/20/us-ukraine-idUSBREA1G0OU20140220)

I hope the opposition provisioned well during the break!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on February 20, 2014, 10:46:27 AM
Yeah Infowars has been in that reflexive pro-Russia mode regarding the situation in Ukraine. They're similar to the ZeroHedge crowd in that regard. I guess it's a PaulBot thing.

There's a lot of truth in the stuff you get from Infowars, ZH, and the like, but it's like come on you tards -- not everything has to dovetail neatly into the Global Bankster Hegemony concept.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 20, 2014, 11:02:18 AM
There was a posting baout Ron Paul today saying both US/EU and Russia need to butt out.  That last part gets lost in the din of basking in the glory of the strong anti-US/anti-EU my-shyt-dont-stink leader-without-peer sitting in the Kremlin.  I'll remind them of their apostasy against St Ronald the Just when the Russians intervene in a direct manner.

Interesting, the ZH site getting a lot of hits today, and it went down here a bit ago for several minutes.  I guess it could have been anyone up to no good!

ETA - EU imposes sanctions.  The Zeroheaders who love Putin (there just has to be a narcotic in his sperm!) still cannot get it through their thick skulls that Rooskies should not be there meddling either...even when you throw RP's words at them, they just refuse to get over their Rooskie-worship.  Fricken bizzare!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-20/european-union-commits-sanctions-against-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-20/european-union-commits-sanctions-against-ukraine)

Hearing rumors that high level rats in the Yanukovych regime are fleeing.  Could be the Russian game is to buy a new nest of rats to replace the old ones, hold elections and hope the stupid anti-Russian opposition types don't notice and maybe the ones that do notice disappear mysteriously.  SOS!  Same Old Shyt!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on February 20, 2014, 04:04:21 PM
Van der Leun's headline ... (http://americandigest.org/)

"Consequences, Schmonsequences: Gelding In Chief Reminds World He Has a 2-Inch Penis"

 ::laughonfloor::

Quote
“There will be consequences if people step over the line,” Obama said shortly after landing in Mexico for a summit with the leaders of Mexico and Canada, as fires burned in central Kiev. Obama threatens consequences for Ukraine violence Yeah, right. Next.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Photos at  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26257542 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26257542)  -- also courtesy of Van der Leun's link.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on February 20, 2014, 04:35:05 PM
Quote
“There will be consequences if people step over the line,” Obama said


LOL.  Yes.  Might that be a red line?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 21, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
Jeez.  Tell that asshole to just shut the frak up!  Everytime that idiot speaks Vladi gets a woody and things will go from crap to worse in Ukraine.  Somebody gag that imbecile!

And check out this article...either Yanukovych is lying his ass off about police (highly likely) or being cute with the facts (and it is military snipers of his own or on loan from Vladi) that are doing the sniping!

Standing yards away from the bodies, Olga Bogomolets, one of Ukraine's leading doctors, told The Independent that they had been hit by police sniper bullets in the head, heart, lungs and neck.

Police, she said, had prevented doctors from treating the injured immediately. "We may have been able to save the lives of some of them."

Dressed all in black, their faces hidden behind balaclavas, men in police uniform were seen firing shots into the crowds that flooded the streets around the protest camp at Independence Square, also known as the Maidan. From fortified positions on the ground and on the roofs of buildings, some appeared to take time to line up their targets. Others fired indiscriminately, taking shots at groups of men recoiling under metal shields. Teams of protesters and volunteer medics carried the injured away on planks of wood.

Some of the anti-government protesters had come to the Maidan wielding clubs, axes and guns to face off against the country's feared elite police units known as the "Berkut". Radical protesters, including members of far-right groups, have been active in the violence.

But others – the students, the young professionals, the " babushkas" (grandmothers), who had begun their protests peacefully in November – are now gathering rocks to use as ammunition for the men at the towering barricades that defend the protest camp. As fighting continued on the square, a group of six elderly women worked under the cover of a bus stop to prepare Molotov cocktails.

"This is extremism," one of the women said, refusing to give her name. "Our president has driven us to this. No more cooking in the kitchen for us. Now we make these."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-fresh-clashes-break-out-despite-president-viktor-yanukovychs-truce-with-opposition-9140428.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-fresh-clashes-break-out-despite-president-viktor-yanukovychs-truce-with-opposition-9140428.html)

You know, when the old ladies, the ones who remember what Soviet subjugation and repression looked like, start making bombs in their kitchens ...your nations leaders are in for a long hard fight.

May God be with the free people of Ukraine.   ::praying::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 22, 2014, 10:32:29 AM
All well and good...but, where did all the state thugs go?  What are they up to?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26299670 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26299670)

I got that chickens walking into the slaughterhouse kinda vibe coming on...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 23, 2014, 01:29:11 PM
More on authorities clearing out and opposition taking control in Kiev.  I still want to know where the former went.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26299670 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26299670)

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/22/ukraine-protests-kiev-president/5723135/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/22/ukraine-protests-kiev-president/5723135/)

Parliament trying to remove the defiant President. 

Sure wish that sentiment would spread over here.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: AlanS on February 23, 2014, 08:40:55 PM
More on authorities clearing out and opposition taking control in Kiev. I still want to know where the former went.


Parliament trying to remove the defiant President. 

Sure wish that sentiment would spread over here.

I'm going to take a WAG and say Mother Russia for asylum.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 24, 2014, 08:02:30 AM
More on authorities clearing out and opposition taking control in Kiev. I still want to know where the former went.


Parliament trying to remove the defiant President. 

Sure wish that sentiment would spread over here.

I'm going to take a WAG and say Mother Russia for asylum.


I think you are right.

Check this out -

http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-ushers-era-president-39-whereabouts-unknown-111638516.html;_ylt=AwrSyCXkfApTHFoAUjjQtDMD (http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-ushers-era-president-39-whereabouts-unknown-111638516.html;_ylt=AwrSyCXkfApTHFoAUjjQtDMD)

Yanukovych pulled a Claude Raines, Parliament wants him tried for mass murder, the snipers are likely back in Russia or on Russian flagged naval vessels, police and other rats flushed out of Kiev and the western half are probably holed up in the eastern half.

EU trying to buy in via bailout...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-23/eu-offers-conditional-aid-ukraines-catastrophic-pre-default-economic-state (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-23/eu-offers-conditional-aid-ukraines-catastrophic-pre-default-economic-state)
....Russia will be po'd over that.  More on that below.

Good map on that ZH link -

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/02-overflow/20140223_ukr_0.png)

And now pro-Russian people are actiing up, disparate groups across the spectrum are popping up and making demands and elements in the military are saying they are pro-opposition (kinda vague!), it's a real mess.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-uprising-we-can-break-protesters-legs-no-one-will-punish-us-the-law-is-on-our-side-9147903.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-uprising-we-can-break-protesters-legs-no-one-will-punish-us-the-law-is-on-our-side-9147903.html)

The damned Russians are going to fukc this all up!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-24/russia-awakes-says-ukraine-poses-real-threat-our-interests-citizens-doubts-legitimac (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-24/russia-awakes-says-ukraine-poses-real-threat-our-interests-citizens-doubts-legitimac)

The ONLY peaceful way out of this is a negotiated partition of Ukraine into East and West.  And to keep the Russians from having a complete shytfit they will have to have the Pro-Russian East have the Crimea, and then the rest should be split right down the Dnieper river.  But Russia will not accept even that, so they'll eventually take by force...as usual.  My advice to people in the nation who do not want to be subjugated by Russia or her proxies...GTFO!  GTFO now before it is too late!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 25, 2014, 07:33:23 AM
“If you consider Kalashnikov-toting people in black masks who are roaming Kiev to be the government, then it will be hard for us to work with that government,” Mr Medvedev told the state-run RIA news agency. “Some of our foreign partners think differently.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-calls-countrys-new-rulers-guntoting-mutineers-and-says-it-will-not-work-with-them-9150379.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-calls-countrys-new-rulers-guntoting-mutineers-and-says-it-will-not-work-with-them-9150379.html)

Umm, gosh...Mr. Medvedev, when it's jiahdis in the streets of Bumfukcistan protesting against America you somehow arrive at a different conclusion.  Do you have problems recognizing freedom fighters?

What a dick!

Russia is showing all the signs of intervening and making this a bloodbath!

Pricks!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on February 25, 2014, 11:12:34 AM
Well that should make the ZeroHedge and Infowars crowd happy.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 25, 2014, 11:52:34 AM
Yeah.

Oh, and this is quite telling!

Ukrainian Citizens Demand Their Own Second Amendment in Constitution
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/02/ukrainian-citizens-demand-their-own-second-amendment-in-constitution/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/02/ukrainian-citizens-demand-their-own-second-amendment-in-constitution/)

Huh...I wonder why people would want that right?

Maybe Leftists here can help us answer that one, eh?

Hey Obama?  Biden?  Pelosi?  Schumer?  Reid?  Wanna clear this up for us?  Why in God's Earth would people want to have our Second Amendment rights?  You got a clue?  Any?

Hello?

Hello?

(Crickets)




Yeah...you all know why! 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on February 25, 2014, 03:14:15 PM
Yeah that's probably a demand people might think of when they've spent the last several weeks watching police snipers in balaclavas killing civilians. So with that demand, is the ZH/IW/Paulbot crowd going to stick with the "protest manufactured by Soros and globalist bankers" line?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: AlanS on February 26, 2014, 12:47:52 AM
http://zbroya.info/uk/blog/2675_vlasniki-zbroyi-vimagaiut-zmin-do-konstitutsiyi/ (http://zbroya.info/uk/blog/2675_vlasniki-zbroyi-vimagaiut-zmin-do-konstitutsiyi/)

From Google Translate

Quote
3) amend Article 27, paragraph four as follows:
"Everyone has the right to freedom of owning a firearm to protect their life and health, housing and property, life and health of other people's constitutional rights and freedoms in the case of usurpation of power , the encroachments on the constitutional order , sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine . Exercising the right to free possession of firearms is governed by applicable law and may be limited only by the court on the individual. "

I sure hope those people find some peace soon. ::praying::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 26, 2014, 07:09:35 AM
Me too Alan.  Right now it sounds like the Russian's are staged along the western border with Ukraine, waiting for now, both they and the EU are trying to negotiate, not sure how that works when one party says it won't negotiate with people toting AK's...ironic on so many levels.

I think they are buying time, making it look like they are trying to find a peaceful resolution to this before being "asked" by people in Ukraine (wink wink) to intervene.

I hear too that the Crimea where the Russian Black Sea Fleet is based is split right now, most are either ethnic Russians there or pro-Russian Ukranians, and that they both want ties to Russia and not a break up of the nation.  They cannot have the former without the latter.

What a sad mess.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 27, 2014, 07:03:29 AM
This is just insane...

First, Yanukovych spouts off from exile somewhere in Russia...rumored to be in Moscow area...calls others "illigitimate"...

And then gun-toting "pro-Russian" (or is it just "Russian") goons seize Regional capitol of Crimea and raise the...Russian flag...

I'd say this is all poised to go sideways and get real fugly.

And Yanukovych fleeing to Russia and not Europe or a neutral nation is solid confirmation of who his master really is, eh?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/27/ukraine-yanukovych-whereabouts/5857331/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/27/ukraine-yanukovych-whereabouts/5857331/)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/27/us-ukraine-crisis-crimea-idUSBREA1P23U20140227 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/27/us-ukraine-crisis-crimea-idUSBREA1P23U20140227)

All we need now is for Team Obama to screw this up...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on February 27, 2014, 08:33:31 PM
The Slavic peoples seem to be very adept at killing each other, hold grudges against each other for a long ass time, and require little provocation for them to flare up.

Yeah, this is probably going to get pretty ugly.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: AlanS on February 28, 2014, 06:25:30 AM
The Slavic peoples seem to be very adept at killing each other, hold grudges against each other for a long ass time, and require little provocation for them to flare up.

Yeah, this is probably going to get pretty ugly.

The Slavic folks are as bad as Arabs.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 28, 2014, 07:10:38 AM
De facto Russian incursion and takeover of the Crimea, there can be no doubt.  All under the pretext of a grotesquely broad reinterpretation of the Black Sea Fleet basing agreement.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/avakov-says-two-crimean-airports-taken-over-by-russian-army-337863.html (http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/avakov-says-two-crimean-airports-taken-over-by-russian-army-337863.html)

Whatever happens...I hope Putin and his faction in Russia all burn for this.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on March 01, 2014, 02:39:01 PM
Obongo is abdicating, Hegel's intent on emasculating, Kerry's appeasing.  A power vacuum will be filled.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on March 01, 2014, 05:19:32 PM
(http://americandigest.org/aarusiantanks.jpg)

See http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/iwar/russian_invasion_of_the_c.php (http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/iwar/russian_invasion_of_the_c.php)
and http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/iwar/incoming_3.php (http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/iwar/incoming_3.php)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 02, 2014, 01:06:16 PM
Yup.  They've sealed up Ukrainian Marines at their base, the idiot heading Ukraine Navy announces the day after his appointment his allegience is switching to Pro-Russia elements, ...

http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-navy-chief-switches-allegiance-crimea-pro-russia-172726132.html;_ylt=AwrBJSDxahNTSBEA4VXQtDMD (http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-navy-chief-switches-allegiance-crimea-pro-russia-172726132.html;_ylt=AwrBJSDxahNTSBEA4VXQtDMD)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10669826/Ukraine-Putins-Crimea-aim-is-to-make-the-West-look-weak.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10669826/Ukraine-Putins-Crimea-aim-is-to-make-the-West-look-weak.html)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-moscow-catches-the-world-off-guard-9162832.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-moscow-catches-the-world-off-guard-9162832.html)

Putin may think he has the upper hand and he could be right, he can militarily dominate Ukraine, but for him to think it won't come with losses is stupid.

And so far this call is both correct and dangerous - “I think Putin is playing chess, and I think we’re playing marbles. It’s not even close,” the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), said on “Fox News Sunday.”

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/europe/199647-putin-running-circles-around-us-rogers-says#ixzz2upinsr5Y (http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/europe/199647-putin-running-circles-around-us-rogers-says#ixzz2upinsr5Y)

Team Obama should keep low profile, but they won't, they'll fukc this up every way possible, and egging them on will only encourage them. 

What should be done will not be done, because people have grown stupid and lazy.  And Putin may be right that the West is weak and this proves it, but he is wrong in that they don't have to be.  Putin is constrained to operating nothing more than a conventional military operation in Ukraine, he cannot go WMD on them or the West should they intervene conventionally...Gazprom masters cannot sell energy to dead people.  So the answer is not necessarily full conventional confrontation, it should be an insurgency-style operation...the Pro-Western elements in Ukraine should call for specific NATO help, air drop ammo, medicine and food and personnel to secure key positions throughout the nation, basically a human shield approach that makes Russian incursion painful, sacrifice some to lure them in and then launch counter-attacks combined with sabotage and assassination operations.  They want blood, most if it should be theirs.  Going in heavy would be stupid and turn the place into a meat grinder...which no doubt the ODumbass Regime will opt for, that or doing nothing and ceding hegemony to Russia.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on March 02, 2014, 10:43:43 PM
(http://americandigest.org/aarusiantanks.jpg)

See http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/iwar/russian_invasion_of_the_c.php (http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/iwar/russian_invasion_of_the_c.php)
and http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/iwar/incoming_3.php (http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/iwar/incoming_3.php)


Those aren't tanks, that's self-propelled artillery. What are they expecting?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 03, 2014, 06:52:29 AM
Yes, artillery of that sort is only good for two things - levelling buildings and conventional bunkers and the like and eliminating personnel, typically the opening act culminating in a full ground assault.

I'd say that is an indicator that offensive action is being considered if not already planned.

There were reports that the Ukrainian Air Base in Crimea was secured by Russian forces using stun grenades.

VVAW loser Jean F'n Kerry to visit Kiev, blather about sanctions and political solutions...I hope the Ukrainian's throw him out on his ass!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-02/us-official-claims-6000-russian-troops-complete-control-crimea-crisis-map-update (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-02/us-official-claims-6000-russian-troops-complete-control-crimea-crisis-map-update)

And, this article by Stockman exemplifies the stupidity of Zerohedge when they deviate from economic issues to anything concerning foreign policy. 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-02/memo-obama-was-their-red-line (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-02/memo-obama-was-their-red-line)

I might want to listen to Stockman when he outlines the folly of our fiscal and monetary policies...but writing an article that sounds so pleasantly isolationist may appear reasonable on its face but beneath it is the blank check the Russians want to commit any atrocity for the sake of securing territory and forcing people to pay Gazprom monopoly prices just to survive.  When you try to flip this to mean the US by sake of proximity, history and Manifest Destiny we can deal with our neighbors (like Cuba for example) in like fashion they go all Code Pink on you.  Their hypocrisy offends me deeply, they are no better than Joe Kennedy and his band and Nazi sympathizers!

Oh, and this - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-03/ukraine-accuses-russian-fighter-jets-violating-its-airspace (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-03/ukraine-accuses-russian-fighter-jets-violating-its-airspace)

Just lay there and take it, you are meant to be Russia's bitch...any response by the West to support Ukrainian freedom is pre-ordained by the geniuses at ZeroHedge to be provacative and can lead to nothing but world war and anihilation.  Yes, to these geniuses Gazprom can sell to the dead, long live Gazprom!  Long live Russia!

 ::facepalm::

Idiots!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 03, 2014, 11:52:21 AM
Ukrainians now filing treason charges against the traitor Admiral who defected to Russia.  Not that it matters.  Should just shoot him via sniper.

http://news.sky.com/story/1219922/russia-and-china-in-agreement-over-ukraine (http://news.sky.com/story/1219922/russia-and-china-in-agreement-over-ukraine)

Putin issues ultimatum to Ukrainian forces in Crimea, threatens "military storm".  Awesome, they are even sounding like they are recycling Soviet rhetoric.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/03/world/europe/ukraine-tensions/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/03/world/europe/ukraine-tensions/index.html)

I guess Obama and Biden look like shytheads now for ridiculing Palin and Romney for calling Russia a significant foe now, don't they?  Huh?  What?  Oh, the media not mentioning that, eh?  Well sure, can't make Duh Wun and his trusty skidplate appear buffoonish (aka themselves) now, can they?

And once again this has to be the final staw in NATO's back...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10671729/Nato-warns-that-Russia-is-risking-Europes-peace-and-security.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10671729/Nato-warns-that-Russia-is-risking-Europes-peace-and-security.html)

...they are as useless as John "Ghengis" Kerry.

 ::mooning::

Putin plays chess, Europe plays twister and Obama plays pocket-pool...

Yeah, this will end horribly...

ETA - Russia denies ultimatum...I guess we'll know for sure soon enough...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-03/russia-denies-it-has-given-ukraine-ultimatum-calls-it-utter-nonsense (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-03/russia-denies-it-has-given-ukraine-ultimatum-calls-it-utter-nonsense)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on March 03, 2014, 06:11:04 PM
 Snagged this at the Grouchies  H/T Bonz

(http://tpc.pc2.netdna-cdn.com/images/Crimea_River_Obama_Album.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: AlanS on March 04, 2014, 05:52:44 AM
 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 04, 2014, 07:01:15 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10674512/Kremlin-issues-ultimatums-to-Ukrainian-forces.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10674512/Kremlin-issues-ultimatums-to-Ukrainian-forces.html)

Ultimatums continue to fly...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10674512/Kremlin-issues-ultimatums-to-Ukrainian-forces.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10674512/Kremlin-issues-ultimatums-to-Ukrainian-forces.html)

And Gazprom masters threaten to go all-in...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/it-begins-gazprom-warns-european-gas-supply-disruptions-possible (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/it-begins-gazprom-warns-european-gas-supply-disruptions-possible)

I think it is time to call their bluff.  If they think they can extort their way into acquiring a puppet state then let them try.  Perhaps this should all just end in blood and misery for everyone in the region.  Some lessons just cannot be learned the easy way.  Letting a bully get away with his abuse makes you the problem, not him.  The bully has never really changed, he may have donned new clothes and adopted new camoflauge, but the core of the bully remains.  You either bloody him or you take your beating and enjoy every second of it.

But let them fire the first shot.  Those Ukranian sailors on these ships and the soldiers at their bases should be taunting and mooning these goons...they should be playing music the Russians hate through loud speakers all night and day to keep them from sleeping comfortably...they should be shooting flares and starburst in the air just to let them know they are there and waiting...

Forget the US, the Obama Regime is about as useful as the UN, which is to say they aren't worth a rats ass...forget the EU, if they like being extorted, then let them buy the Russians off...otherwise the Ukrainians should tell them to fukc off too.  It may just fall to them to suffer the price for revealing a bully to the rest of the useless world...and hopefully they make the bully bleed enough to make it easier for the next intended victim to resist.

ETA -

Meanwhile...

Turkey gettin' itchy about Rooskie recon flights...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/turkey-scrambled-8-f-16-fighter-jets-track-russian-plane (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/turkey-scrambled-8-f-16-fighter-jets-track-russian-plane)

Rooskie ships blocking the Kerch Straight...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/celebrate-detente-russian-navy-blocks-channel-between-crimea-and-russia (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/celebrate-detente-russian-navy-blocks-channel-between-crimea-and-russia)

OK, now that is begging for a Maine-splosion!

And more ships of the move, two Rooskie and one Ukrainian...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/ukrainian-russian-warships-cross-bosphorus-enter-black-sea (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/ukrainian-russian-warships-cross-bosphorus-enter-black-sea)

Last one floating wins.

And yet more spewing from Moscow...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/putin-advisor-threatens-dumping-us-treasurys-abandoning-dollar-if-us-proceeds-sancti (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/putin-advisor-threatens-dumping-us-treasurys-abandoning-dollar-if-us-proceeds-sancti)

What a tool.  Go ahead, dump our bonds, you'd be doing us a favor!  But umm, y'all might want to check with your Gazprom masters before doing anything...

 ::)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on March 04, 2014, 01:28:18 PM
One point raised at Western Rifle Shooters is that you might want to buy any cheap Russian ammo while it's still available. If you have a 5.45 or 7.62x39 to feed, most of that ammo comes from either Russia or Ukraine. The Obama Regime might cynically use this situation as an opportunity to ban imports of Russian ammo, sort of like Clinton did with Chinese imports in the 90s.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 05, 2014, 06:46:33 AM
Good call, wouldn't surprise me at all.

Oh, and on Europe's energy front, more background info shedding light on the Russia-Ukraine conflict...to say Gazprom is not concerned is a gross understatement.  Even Putin answers to somebody(s)!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/ukraine-follow-energy (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/ukraine-follow-energy)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 05, 2014, 11:50:31 AM
Putin to reporter on what might happen if Ukraine is invaded...

Rough translation: “If we attack we will put their women and children in front of us and I’ll look on as they shoot their own children and women”

http://weaselzippers.us/178284-vladimir-putin-tells-reporter-if-russia-attacks-it-will-use-ukrainian-women-and-children-as-shields/ (http://weaselzippers.us/178284-vladimir-putin-tells-reporter-if-russia-attacks-it-will-use-ukrainian-women-and-children-as-shields/)

Sounds like an ex-KGB unrepentant totalitarian despot to me.  What y'all hear?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on March 05, 2014, 01:35:00 PM
Putin to reporter on what might happen if Ukraine is invaded...

Rough translation: “If we attack we will put their women and children in front of us and I’ll look on as they shoot their own children and women”

http://weaselzippers.us/178284-vladimir-putin-tells-reporter-if-russia-attacks-it-will-use-ukrainian-women-and-children-as-shields/ (http://weaselzippers.us/178284-vladimir-putin-tells-reporter-if-russia-attacks-it-will-use-ukrainian-women-and-children-as-shields/)

Sounds like an ex-KGB unrepentant totalitarian despot to me.  What y'all hear?

Taliban/al qaida.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 05, 2014, 02:23:39 PM
I would also accept "Palestinian", but yeah, just another sub-group of Muzzloidius Suckdemonus.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on March 05, 2014, 07:42:13 PM
  H/T Evon(I know I know) fair is fair.

(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1653622_10152341968077650_1813201862_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on March 05, 2014, 07:44:31 PM
Don't matter.  It is what it is, JF.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on March 05, 2014, 07:46:28 PM
Don't matter.  It is what it is, JF.

 Still tastes bad.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on March 05, 2014, 07:50:08 PM
Spit it out and move on.  Or just don't do it to begin with.

Glad to "see" you 'round the place, btw.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on March 05, 2014, 09:51:42 PM
  Just had a little more time lately.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 06, 2014, 07:52:51 AM
I like this.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-05/rt-anchor-turns-down-offer-report-crimea-resigns-protest-biased-coverage (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-05/rt-anchor-turns-down-offer-report-crimea-resigns-protest-biased-coverage)

Too bad our own jurnolistas are too corrupted by progressive ideology and too beholden to their cult leaders to perform similar random acts of common sense...


And here we go...I've been saying a partition might be the way to go, but this is more of a annexation ala Hitler marching his troops into the Sudetenland than a peaceful diplomatic understanding...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/crimea-parliament-accelerates-crisis-votes-join-russia (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/crimea-parliament-accelerates-crisis-votes-join-russia)

Two rather stark bits of irony here...

1) I guess ol' Putin finds it OK to accept some gun-toting boots-on-the-ground scary thugs to secure one hunk of territory and call it legitimate (Crimea) while another (Kiev) is totally illegitimate even though the latter at least has a Parliament behind its actions...what does Putin have...just guys with weapons on territory historically never theirs in the first place?

2) How is "creating facts on the ground" in Crimea with these armed goons not several orders of magnitude worse than anything Israel has ever done in Judea that they and the rest of the tools at the UN accuse them of doing to the poor AK-47-toting Palestinians?

Oh, and once again, I want to harp on the utter uselessness of NATO!  Talk about asleep at the switch!  But both they and Russia are violating the December 5th 1994 Budapest Memorandum (aka Memorandum on Security Assurances in connection with Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons):


The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,
 
Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as a non-nuclear-weapon State,
 
Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,
 
Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.
 
Confirm the following:
 
1.The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.
 
2.The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
 
3.The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
 
4.The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.
 
5.The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm, in the case of the Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a state in association or alliance with a nuclear weapon state.
 
6.The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will consult in the event a situation arises which raises a question concerning these commitments.

This Memorandum will become applicable upon signature.
 
Signed in four copies having equal validity in the English, Russian and Ukrainian languages.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances)

It is obvious the Russians have been violating the economic coercion and territorial integrity clauses and that the US and Britain (basically NATO) are violating the pledge to Ukraine for the integrity of their borders and ensuring the sovereignty of their nation.  One might quibble that there was an unspoken expiration date for said support, but seeing as that since the Soviet Union disintigrated Russia under Putin has been nothing but trying to regain her former size by proxy, so the agreement in a practical sense still looks to be in play.

God I loath feckless politicans and diplomats...what useless dreck!

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 06, 2014, 11:48:15 AM
Oh, and once again for the record...Kissinger is a pompous ass and his stupid plan will mean a defacto annexation of Crimea by Russia.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html)

Up yours, Henry!   ::effu::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on March 06, 2014, 12:15:42 PM
Isn't it funny (we'll stick with that word for now) how these bastards presume to negotiate the disposition of things that aren't theirs to negotiate?  Diplomats and foreign policy wonks deciding to carve up other countries, or legislators and presidents negotiating other people's property and rights.

All of this precedes from a fundamental assumption that everything is theirs to begin with -- and that's exactly how government operates, like it's all theirs.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on March 06, 2014, 04:40:54 PM
Putin is keeping it and nour idiot in chief can't do on sh*ttin thing about it.He said he would change orld opinion and here it is.Were a laughing stock for every two bit dictator on the planet. How proud the lefties must be.

          ::pullhair::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on March 06, 2014, 07:27:04 PM
(http://moonbattery.com/graphics/crimea-river.jpg)


H/T: Moonbattery
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 07, 2014, 07:27:40 AM
Yes, and Vladi is popular now that the war drums are beating to the tune of the recycled Soviet Gosudarstvenny Gimn Rossiyskoy Federatsii!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/mission-accomplished-putins-approval-rating-hits-2-year-highs (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/mission-accomplished-putins-approval-rating-hits-2-year-highs)

Oh, and the Markov plan is almost the same as the Kissinger plan, so Sergei can outside with Henry and play hide and go screw themselves!

 ::mooning::

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/russian-perspective-there-will-be-war-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/russian-perspective-there-will-be-war-ukraine)

It appears there will be war....Russia just needs to create the right false flag moment, and it appears the obvious choice would be at one of the Ukrainian bases surrounded by Rooskies.  All they have to do is infiltrate and fire on their own troops over the wire and they'll have the fine little war Vlad has been jonesing for.

And all that blood can be laid right at the doorstep of the US and Europe as well as Russia.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on March 07, 2014, 08:38:00 PM
(http://tpc.pc2.netdna-cdn.com/images/Ukraine_Maidan_Gadsden_Flag_1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: AmericanPatriot on March 08, 2014, 12:23:43 PM
To celebrate WWIII:
http://youtu.be/YDFqoReof6A]
[url]http://youtu.be/YDFqoReof6A (http://[url)[/url]
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Alphabet Soup on March 08, 2014, 12:44:00 PM
I had been reading of the recent events in the Ukraine and Crimea and after a bit realized that I ha subconsciously added a soundtrack. Then yesterday someone on the freepers posted this:

Al Stewart - Roads To Moscow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_ZG6tRGMYk#)

That (or parts of it at least) was what I had been hearing in my head.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 10, 2014, 07:18:11 AM
(http://tpc.pc2.netdna-cdn.com/images/Ukraine_Maidan_Gadsden_Flag_1.jpg)

Now, that is a thing of beauty!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 10, 2014, 07:43:42 AM
Digging in and looking like they are not going anywhere.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-09/ukrainian-drone-captures-video-russian-troops-fortifying-crimea (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-09/ukrainian-drone-captures-video-russian-troops-fortifying-crimea)

This has always been about gas and full control of the Black Sea.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-09/does-russia-need-sell-gas-more-eu-needs-buy-it (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-09/does-russia-need-sell-gas-more-eu-needs-buy-it)

I think it is time for Gazprom to experience some fatal supply disruptions on the Russian side of the border! 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2014, 07:47:50 AM
The assimilation of Crimea into the Russian Federation (spit!) continues unabated.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-11/diplomacy-fails-ukraine-putin-rebuffs-kerry-proposal-kiev-issues-ultimatum-crimea-su (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-11/diplomacy-fails-ukraine-putin-rebuffs-kerry-proposal-kiev-issues-ultimatum-crimea-su)

Big surprise Putin giving Obama & Kerry the finger...I bet they didn't see it coming!

ETA - The deed is almost done, the American response is pathetic and weak...we have become Europe, and like them any agreement we sign isn't going to be worth a damn!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-11/red-line-crossing-ukraine-effectively-gifts-crimea-russia-says-will-not-intervene-mi (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-11/red-line-crossing-ukraine-effectively-gifts-crimea-russia-says-will-not-intervene-mi)

Congratulations Barrack Hussein Obama and the Democrat Party, you have successfully reduced America to your ideal of being "no different" than any other shythole nation on the planet!  American Exceptionalism is dead, long live American Beta's!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on March 12, 2014, 06:40:17 PM
   Where is our dear leader??   WHY GOLFING OF COURSE!!!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 13, 2014, 07:03:21 AM
   Where is our dear leader??   WHY GOLFING OF COURSE!!!

He is playing the Shepherd game with Reggie...of course 'Bammy is the sheep.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 13, 2014, 07:06:47 AM
Guess who is going to Ukraine?

If you guessed J-Mac you win...no actually, we all lose, especially Ukraine...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-12/john-mccain-going-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-12/john-mccain-going-ukraine)

They should ask him not to come, having that Doofus Kerry in the region was bad enough, another washed up brainless idiot they don't need...

Except...   ::thinking::

Maybe if one of these washed up brainless idiots got snuffed by a Russian...

 ::thinking::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Weisshaupt on March 13, 2014, 08:45:52 AM
   Where is our dear leader??   WHY GOLFING OF COURSE!!!

well after convincing the Ukraine to give up its weapons (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/flashback-obama-pushed-ukraine-to-destroy-15000-tons-of-ammo-400000-firearms-and-1000-anti-aircraft-missiles-left-them-defenseless/) maybe he figures no one will listen to him there.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Weisshaupt on March 13, 2014, 08:52:41 AM

There's a lot of truth in the stuff you get from Infowars, ZH, and the like, but it's like come on you tards -- not everything has to dovetail neatly into the Global Bankster Hegemony concept.

Yep, that is the biggest problem with info wars-- every square peg has to fit the round hold of Global NWO conspiracy theory. The facts are often right, but the result of their bias is that the analysis is often wrong.  Rather bolsters the idea that Alex Jones and Infowars are a govt  psy-op who try to push people noticing the facts  in the wrong direction and make  them look like loons.  Given the late pro- Russian  slant however, maybe both Zerohedge and Infowars are Russian funded Psy-ops of the more traditional cold-war sort - trying to undermine and cause problems for the dominant culture and ruler-ship.. is just that the culture they have to strike at now is the American  counter-culture they helped create in the 60s..
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 13, 2014, 11:22:58 AM

There's a lot of truth in the stuff you get from Infowars, ZH, and the like, but it's like come on you tards -- not everything has to dovetail neatly into the Global Bankster Hegemony concept.

Yep, that is the biggest problem with info wars-- every square peg has to fit the round hold of Global NWO conspiracy theory. The facts are often right, but the result of their bias is that the analysis is often wrong.  Rather bolsters the idea that Alex Jones and Infowars are a govt  psy-op who try to push people noticing the facts  in the wrong direction and make  them look like loons.  Given the late pro- Russian  slant however, maybe both Zerohedge and Infowars are Russian funded Psy-ops of the more traditional cold-war sort - trying to undermine and cause problems for the dominant culture and ruler-ship.. is just that the culture they have to strike at now is the American  counter-culture they helped create in the 60s..

Seem to apply to ZH more, but yeah.  Stick with their stengths/truths, discard the noise.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2014, 06:42:59 AM
Speaking of which...here we go...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/ron-paul-putins-crimea-invasion-has-law-its-side (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/ron-paul-putins-crimea-invasion-has-law-its-side)

This is where St. Ron and the ZH crowd go completely off the reservation into the ditch and up the other side and back over again and act like their shyt don't reek like shyt.

Yeah, Putin is "no angel" but he is the angel of a legion of brain-dead cult-of-Ron clowns we call PaulBots and it is things like this make me wonder if Paul isn't a former KGB deep legend planted to cause havoc in America...and after the Soviet Union collapsed he stayed on to do the same for Mother Russia.  Making arguments one way thenn another is a tactic Paul and his minions excel at, and they like libiots go nuclear with the personal attacks if you call them out on it and show the obvious hypocrisy of their Dear Leader.  Note that this pious price doesn't even discuss the fact that the Russians have been using energy as an economic weapon in direct violation of the Budapest Memorandum, so what came first Paulie, the Russian extortion or Putin's so-called coup against his puppet?

What a snivelling little prick!

And this loser, tired of his misinformation!  Independent neutral state!  Pah!  Not as long as Russia lives!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/russian-explains-real-stakes-fight-crimea-and-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/russian-explains-real-stakes-fight-crimea-and-ukraine)

Useless tool!

Another moron, failiing to see such actions would in fact result in Cold War 2.0.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/5-ways-russias-ukraine-boomerang-could-strike (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/5-ways-russias-ukraine-boomerang-could-strike)

ZeroHedge is going all-in on the Go-Russia/Fukc US & EU bandwagon.

Look, they even want to help spread the propaganda of where all those scary Rooskie troops and war machines are at, poised to pounce should the foolish West fail to accept Russian hegemony across the central European region! 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/where-russian-troops-are-full-pre-takeover-infographic (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/where-russian-troops-are-full-pre-takeover-infographic)

Bow before Prince Vladi!  Not a bad gambit though, there is that bowing clownboxer schlepping around a big white mansion...

 ::facepalm::

Yup, safe to say though, while they may get many things right on economic issues (like pointing out those flaws takes any talent or will ever be lacking material)...but in everything else they are a wholly-owned subsidiary of the FSB.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Alphabet Soup on March 14, 2014, 09:05:21 AM
There is a Disqus poster who regularly haunts Breitbart and Politico that goes by the name Tyler Durden. He uniformly takes the leftist line in any discussion. I've scrapped with him several times and he reliably folds like a cheap suit. Mostly his schtick is leftist hair-splitting.

I wonder if he's the same klown?

I've also noticed a tread to compare putin favorably to Øbozo. The left has noticed it too and lefties are now frequently imputing that sense (being right-wing=putin worship) to all of us.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2014, 01:43:50 PM
Can't be the same dude, the Tyler at ZH wouldn't fold, he might not engage a troll and may be bailed out by a loyal follower, and like most PaulBot Libertarian's he see's little difference between Rep/Dem, Red/Blue, they are all the same team...so spouting off nothing but libiot jibberish doesn't sound like him.  The only thing that he and his followers have that cross polinates with libiots is the Code Pink "all war is bad" mindset and the belief that the OWS crowd rocks because they are against the Zionists running Wall Street.  The old anarchist strain of Libertarianism finding comon ground with the proletariat.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Weisshaupt on March 14, 2014, 02:01:46 PM
Tyler Durden is a character in Fight Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight_Club) who is a mental projection of the narrator ( an everyman) - Tyler brings about the destruction of the American Banking system , and so he is sort of the John Galt or anti-corporation/anti-banking types, so don't get surprised if you see that name used by a lot of people.  Zerohedge has Tyler Durdens - plural .  Many of the admins there post under that same Pseudonym.

Fight club is an interesting movie - and I liked it. Not enough to ever see it again, and at the time the anti-corporate message was grating.  Now, knowing that the banks really are that corrupt and really are fully in bed with the powers that be in a fascist arrangement, I suspect I would like it more if I watched it again. That isn't to say that corporations are inherently bad  or that banks are..  just that power corrupts and that Big Government had open up vast new avenues of corruption

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2014, 02:10:25 PM
Yes.  We don not have a MIC, we have a GCCC ("Government Crony-Capitalist Complex)!  Pretty much how Hitler's Germany began to look once all the purges and consolidations were completed...Government and Key Industries hand in hand...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2014, 02:19:47 PM
Looks like Vladi is ready to launch his Ukrainian invasion...fresh off another   ::vafancoul::  to the Gigilo Sec St.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/14/world/europe/ukraine.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/14/world/europe/ukraine.html?_r=0)

Seems the Rooskies want blood and lots of it...

If somebody wants out of Ukraine the window of opportunity is fast closing...

This is not going to end well.  Even the Germans are mad, and we know how they got along with Russians last time...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 16, 2014, 01:50:43 PM
“I voted for Russia as only Russia can save us from war in the region,” Nadezhda Kolkina, a 64-year-old pensioner
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-15/crimea-referendum-looms-as-kerry-fails-to-sway-russia.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-15/crimea-referendum-looms-as-kerry-fails-to-sway-russia.html)

Dumbshyt probably voted for Brezhnev and every Rooskie since.  Congrats, you might be a deceased 64 year-old pensioner soon. 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 17, 2014, 07:29:42 AM
(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/03/20140117_putin3.png)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-16/us-vs-russia-3-cartoons (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-16/us-vs-russia-3-cartoons)

And that pretty much goes hand in hand with this...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-16/congress-may-impose-sanctions-russia-when-it-comes-back-vacation-march-24 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-16/congress-may-impose-sanctions-russia-when-it-comes-back-vacation-march-24)

Basically - Ukraine is not important to us, agreements we sign are fungible (but so is the Constitution and all laws that follow it, so...) and Europe being closer and more impacted is even more useless and toothless...so, sorry Ukraine, you are royally fukced!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-17/crimea-names-ruble-currency-applies-join-russia-expects-become-region-russian-federa (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-17/crimea-names-ruble-currency-applies-join-russia-expects-become-region-russian-federa)

If you really want to grab Rooskie attention, one must blow up key Gazprom stations, you are going to get absorbed/invaded anyway, might as well make it hurt as much as possible, and plan for a protracted insurgency for the foreseeable future...everybody who doesn't want to fight or die sh old GTFO of Dodge while they still can.

ETA -

Wow, check this out...Obama/Democrat-Style Voting Results! 

123% Sevastopol turnout! (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/what-a-turnout-123-of-sevastopol-crimea-vote-for-merger-with-mother-russia/)

Russia, eff yeah!

And O'Chimpy (a little Blarney there!) can only issue sanctions of a few Rooskie big shots...not Vladi, that would be poor form...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/obama-announces-sanctions-against-7-russian-officials-russian-markets-rally-over-weak-response/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/obama-announces-sanctions-against-7-russian-officials-russian-markets-rally-over-weak-response/)

...what a zero!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on March 18, 2014, 12:56:39 PM
One point raised at Western Rifle Shooters is that you might want to buy any cheap Russian ammo while it's still available. If you have a 5.45 or 7.62x39 to feed, most of that ammo comes from either Russia or Ukraine. The Obama Regime might cynically use this situation as an opportunity to ban imports of Russian ammo, sort of like Clinton did with Chinese imports in the 90s.


Looks like they are certainly moving in that direction.

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2014/03/obama-announces-new-sanctions.html (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2014/03/obama-announces-new-sanctions.html)


Quote
    Remember this? "Why even the most isolationist and unconcerned Fudd should care about the Ukraine -- Poof! There goes the Russian ammo supply." (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2014/03/why-even-most-isolationist-and.html) Several readers sent the following link:

        Monday’s order authorizes Treasury Secretary Jack Lew to work with Secretary of State John Kerry to impose asset freezes and travel restrictions on “any individual or entity that operates in the Russian arms industry, and any designated individual or entity that acts on behalf of, or that provides material or other support to, any senior Russian government official,” the White House said in a statement. (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/russia-sanctions-ukraine-obama-executive-order-104728.html#ixzz2wEGs5dOK)

    One asks: "But will Obama's Russia sanctions executive order mean no more imports of Russian made ammo? It certainly seems within the scope if the order is described accurately. If that's what is does, Mike warned early on it might be coming."

    So far, no. But the game is young.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: AlanS on March 18, 2014, 01:33:58 PM
    One asks: "But will Obama's Russia sanctions executive order mean no more imports of Russian made ammo? It certainly seems within the scope if the order is described accurately. If that's what is does, Mike warned early on it might be coming."

    So far, no. But the game is young.


Not too mention how that would further their agenda. ::outrage::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 18, 2014, 02:15:53 PM
This is getting bad.

First fatality, more incursions into eastern Ukraine, rewritting history, Cossacks running wild, Ukraine readying for war.

And all we do is piss in the wind and try to reassure of nations in the region we won't hump them like we are humping Ukraine.

Pathetic.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10704798/Ukraine-crisis-live.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10704798/Ukraine-crisis-live.html)

Speaking of pathetic, here is St. Ron carrying Russian water...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/03/17/crimea-ukraine-russia-ron-paul-editorials-debates/6544163/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/03/17/crimea-ukraine-russia-ron-paul-editorials-debates/6544163/)

Interesting debate point, condemn Ukraine to servitude and murder and sleep well at night knowing the UN grants self determination and agreements between nation are fungible contracts just like a progressives interpretation of what is legal and is not when imposing a mandate to purchase a thing or eliminating a bondholders claim.  You are just like Obama and Putin, St. Ron.  You all can burn in Hell!

And St. Ron like Emperor Vlad thinks it is OK to act the thug and accuse others of thuggery.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/18/us-ukraine-crisis-putin-usa-idUSBREA2H0TE20140318 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/18/us-ukraine-crisis-putin-usa-idUSBREA2H0TE20140318)

Russian exceptionalism = might makes right, and St. Ron approves.

Yes, we have entered the end of the rule of law and are full into the law of despots.

The whole world is about to burn.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 19, 2014, 07:15:02 AM
Since Putin has officially annexed Crimea, Ukraine should nationalize anything owned by any Russian entity or individual.

And if America had a leader who wasn't a Muzzie ass-kissing pansie they would be annexing Cuba right now and flashing the green "Go" sign for Israel to slap Iran around.

Might makes right, bitches!

http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-threatens-seize-russian-assets-174529322.html (http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-threatens-seize-russian-assets-174529322.html)

PS-This pathetic performance of the gigolo in Poland yesterday was beyond pathetic and sophomoric...these stupid progressives keep getting their reset button shoved up their butts and still they line up for more...what a bunch of useless fools....

Palin and Romney sure were right about Russia, and now the beta's are totally clueless what to do...freeze a few assets, shut down Putin's Netflix account, cry like a pussy.

Yeah, that'll work...

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on March 19, 2014, 08:59:51 AM
We should move military assets...specifically missiles...into all the NATO states in the region to stop the Russian aggression.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 19, 2014, 10:20:25 AM
That is so JFK-like.

Then again, all that resulted in last time was a trade off of missiles in Cuba for missiles Turkey we hailed as a mighty win!

 ::)

And it won't happen under the Dear Leader...he is clueless how to deal with a thug...which yeah, is kinda ironic and funny.

Meanwhile...while Obama plays pitch and (mostly) catch with Reggie...Vladi is confiscating military hardware!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/russia-confiscates-half-of-ukrainian-naval-fleet-in-crimea/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/russia-confiscates-half-of-ukrainian-naval-fleet-in-crimea/)

WTF?!

Should be some mysterious explosions going on!  At least Ukrainians need to scuttle rather than give up without a fight!

Oh, another WTF...where is Germany, those clowns get more Gasprom product than any other EU nation...and Merkel that little Gretel munchkin isn't doing squat...

World done gone insane!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on March 19, 2014, 05:09:21 PM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bh5a1TFCUAA56C2.jpg:medium)

  H/T  Rigpa !!

   A picture worth a million words.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 20, 2014, 07:08:18 AM
Who is that butt-buddy clinging onto Vlad like a little...um...sissy...

Oh, nevermind.

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 20, 2014, 07:15:41 AM
Well, wonder no more, the Gretel munchkin has responded...

No more G8 meetings and more bank account freezing...ooohhh, can you feel the tickle, Vladi?

http://news.yahoo.com/merkel-russia-faces-more-sanctions-g8-suspended-085807123.html (http://news.yahoo.com/merkel-russia-faces-more-sanctions-g8-suspended-085807123.html)

 ::)

Pathetic.

And...

I hate it when I am right...next in the crosshairs, the Baltic states?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/19/us-russia-estonia-idUSBREA2I1J620140319 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/19/us-russia-estonia-idUSBREA2I1J620140319)

Tallinn should find better friends than those that are letting Ukraine be devoured by the Russian Bear! 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 21, 2014, 07:16:21 AM
Two cruisers seized by masked Rooskie jackasses...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/masked-men-storm-seize-two-ukraine-cruisers-sevastopol. (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/masked-men-storm-seize-two-ukraine-cruisers-sevastopol.)

Troops on the eastern border wtach and wait...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/postcards-russia-ukraine-border (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/postcards-russia-ukraine-border)

Puddin' signs of on annexation...and Obama yaps to no avail...and the status quo takes hold and secures the land grab of Crimea.

Now all that is left for Obama to secure his place in history as biggest effing loser of all time is to trade one useless deal on Ukraine with another equally useless agreement on Iran whereby Russina and Iran get all they want and Obama takes it where he always takes it and declares victory and peace in our time...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-21/putin-signs-crimean-absorption-law-asks-have-his-salary-transferred-sanctioned-bank- (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-21/putin-signs-crimean-absorption-law-asks-have-his-salary-transferred-sanctioned-bank-)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 22, 2014, 02:24:23 PM
I find it ridiculous to think we are past the point where there won't be bloodshed over this...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586765/Breaking-News-Defiant-Ukranian-commander-orders-outnumbered-men-stand-ground-expect-engage-Russian-troops-surrounding-military-base.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586765/Breaking-News-Defiant-Ukranian-commander-orders-outnumbered-men-stand-ground-expect-engage-Russian-troops-surrounding-military-base.html)

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 23, 2014, 10:24:17 AM
Odessa flash mob "Ode to Joy"!

???? ?????? ?? ???????? ??????? 22.03.2014 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6SAwPD-ss#ws)

 ::hat-tip::  GatewayPundit

 ::clapping::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 23, 2014, 10:57:02 AM
Pretty much what I have been fearing, more infiltration and seizure.

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/03/21/us-intel-russian-spies-saboteurs-infiltrating-ukraine/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2014/03/21/us-intel-russian-spies-saboteurs-infiltrating-ukraine/)

And it is all being done unchallenged.

Think Ukrainians will forget who screwed them over?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: LadyVirginia on March 23, 2014, 03:54:27 PM
I feel sorry for those people in the Ukraine. Many of them are really suffering.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on March 23, 2014, 05:35:56 PM
  How does our idiot in chief sleep nights?  ::pullhair::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 24, 2014, 07:18:32 AM
  How does our idiot in chief sleep nights?  ::pullhair::

Just fine.  But he never had a soul to start with so it's easy.

Plus...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-23/another-busy-weekend-president (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-23/another-busy-weekend-president)

...he's just bushed from all that golfing and cheating...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 24, 2014, 07:27:18 AM
I feel sorry for those people in the Ukraine. Many of them are really suffering.

Indeed, and they are by no means out of danger yet.

Putin has eyes on more than just Crimea!  He would like to secure all Gazprom oil/gas lines to the west, and link up with Transnistria.

Disclaimer - I didn't even know something called Transnistria existed before now!)

(http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_296w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2014/03/24/Foreign/Graphics/w-ukraine0324.jpg)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nato-general-warns-of-further-russian-aggression/2014/03/23/2ff63bb6-b269-11e3-8020-b2d790b3c9e1_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nato-general-warns-of-further-russian-aggression/2014/03/23/2ff63bb6-b269-11e3-8020-b2d790b3c9e1_story.html)

Ukraine vows they will respond.  And i would not be opposed to air-dropping in arms, ammo, Cammo gear, food and medicine.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-23/ukraine-official-warns-chance-war-russia-growing-mike-rogers-calls-sending-weapons-u (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-23/ukraine-official-warns-chance-war-russia-growing-mike-rogers-calls-sending-weapons-u)

The willing ignorance of O'Bambi and the rest of his progressive band of fools allowed this to get to this point, and now they have their meat in the grinder and think saying please will make any difference.

And I hope the jubilant Russian on the street that is glorying in the brilliance of Prince Vladi soon experience heartache, more than can be caused by this minor inconvenience (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-24/russian-bank-impacted-us-sanctions-hit-mini-bank-run-over-weekend)!

ETA - Crap, if this data is right, it is definitely going to get ugly -

(http://3-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/450x191xrussia-document-ukraine.png.pagespeed.ic.hUSi-4BvYM.jpg)

(http://4-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/501x302xkiev-map.jpg.pagespeed.ic.7aefRlQLFI.jpg)

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/leaked-memo-reveals-russias-war-ukrainian-war-plan-includes-kiev/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/leaked-memo-reveals-russias-war-ukrainian-war-plan-includes-kiev/)

Ukraine should be expelling all ethnic Russians now, the ones that choose to stay behind are likely to be active agents of Russia, it might not save them from invasion, but it might reduce the chances of this spinning off into Kosovo-style fugly.  And the Batic States cannot feel very safe, they all better be arming themselves to the teeth and expelling all Russians.

This could really prove to be a World War starter.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 25, 2014, 07:15:52 AM
Speaking of war starters...

The extortion is ramping up...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-24/russia-slowly-turning-natgas-tap-europe (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-24/russia-slowly-turning-natgas-tap-europe)

And nations better start calling up more than a few thousand here and there...if they want to be their own nation anymore that is...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-24/poland-quietly-mobilizing-its-army-reservists (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-24/poland-quietly-mobilizing-its-army-reservists)

I say what the Hell, start shootin/ while you got something to shoot.

Say, that advice sounds good just about anywhere...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on March 25, 2014, 03:23:43 PM
Ivan is sporting American/Western weapons in his Crimean adventures.  I guess they figure this, combined with the lack of any insignia, gives them a fig leaf of deniability that they are actually Russian military.


http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/18/russian-troops-ar-10-rifles-crimea (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/18/russian-troops-ar-10-rifles-crimea)


(http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/415x240xar151.jpg.pagespeed.ic.GLkq6o6gbx.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 26, 2014, 07:13:07 AM
Oh, and yes...nothing says "I'm not a Spetsnaz commando" like a AR-10 with a fricken suppresor on it!   :o

Next up...the freeze, starve and die ultimatum to Kiev...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-25/ukraine-only-has-enough-gasoline-month (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-25/ukraine-only-has-enough-gasoline-month)

At this point the Ukrainians might as well begin a sabotage campaign to make the inevitable more painful for these pricks.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 27, 2014, 07:34:49 AM
Apparently the Russians suck at hiding their intentions, if the West is saying the buildup continues then one can only conclude the Russians don't give a flying fornication what they see so whatever they do they can be expected to get away with it...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/26/us-ukraine-crisis-usa-idUSBREA2P22120140326 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/26/us-ukraine-crisis-usa-idUSBREA2P22120140326)

...which anybody but a blind monkey can see is almost entirely directed at the utter uselessness and paralysis of the Obama Regime when confronted by an aggressive Cold War operator like Vlad the Nation Inhaler.

"The only thing Putin respects is strength ... At this point the Russians are openly laughing at the president," Cruz, R-Texas, told the Washington Examiner.
 
Cruz added that Putin's aggressiveness was "a direct consequence" of the absence of American leadership in the world.
 
"The weakness and incoherent foreign policy of the Obama administration -- from President Obama, under Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and under Secretary [John] Kerry -- has undermined our allies and has strengthened our enemies and put Putin in particular in a far stronger position," Cruz declared.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/ted-cruz-the-russians-are-openly-laughing-at-obama/article/2546343 (http://washingtonexaminer.com/ted-cruz-the-russians-are-openly-laughing-at-obama/article/2546343)

Yup.

Embrace the suck.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 28, 2014, 07:02:02 AM
Tit for tat...or is tat for tit...

Whatever...

Rooskies to sanction American businesses operating in Russia (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-27/russia-set-sanction-us-businesses)

Heh, why am I envisioning two one-legged drunks trying to kick each other in the azz?   ::hysterical::

ETA - Obama the Infantile One - Mr. Obama said Russia needs “to move back those troops and to begin negotiations directly with the Ukrainian government, as well as the international community.”...“And it is true that we reject the notion that there is a sphere of influence along the Russian border that then justifies Russia invading other countries. Certainly they’re going to have influence because of trade and tradition and language and heritage with Ukraine. Everybody acknowledges that. But there’s a difference between that and sending in troops, and because you’re bigger and stronger taking a piece of the country – that is not how international law and international norms are observed in the 21st century.“

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/obama-calls-on-putin-to-move-troops-from-ukrainian-border-not-21st-century-behavior/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/obama-calls-on-putin-to-move-troops-from-ukrainian-border-not-21st-century-behavior/)

What a pansy!

Hey assclown, why don't you issue a EO against him?!   ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 28, 2014, 02:31:07 PM
Oh, and I guess 'ol Vlad the Nation Inhaler has more up his sleeve than just securing Gazprom profits and extortioneering for the foreseable future...those 100k troops on the border (http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-claims-100-000-russian-troops-near-border-151112283.html) get to give life and limb for Mother Russia and Vlad's string of Crimean Casinos (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/10729848/Vladimir-Putin-plans-for-Crimean-casinos.html)!

 ::whoohoo::

Now there's something worth killing and dying for!

 ::)

You can take the corrupt KGB thug out of the KGB...but...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 31, 2014, 07:06:54 AM
Interesting read here (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-30/have-we-reached-peak-putin), of course the ZeroHeads interpret this as just more anti-Putinism...and Putin is their favorite dictator after all.  They'd be tickled to see Vlad the Nation Inhaler continue is acquisition strategy.  Funny, how Peak Oil Fanbots are also in love with a dictator running an oligarchy who's largest interest is petroleum, eh?! 

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 01, 2014, 07:19:40 AM
Farage is right...the EU does have "blood on it's hands" over Ukraine.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-31/nigel-farage-europe-has-blood-its-hands-over-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-31/nigel-farage-europe-has-blood-its-hands-over-ukraine)

We are seeing how weak the EU really is when it's former policeman (the US) decides to sit one out (not by principled choice backed by principled policies and effectively communicated to EU friends, no, but by incompetence and ignorance...the twin towers of Obama Regime foreign policy!)...and so sad too bad for the Ukrainian people who have to suffer as a result of choosing shytty friends!  (The first shytty friend being Bill Clinton and the agreement that is confirmed to be little better than toilet paper by Team Obama!)

And as far as these BRICS go...you sleep with demons, don't be surprised to wake up in Hell!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-31/why-did-brics-back-russia-crimea (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-31/why-did-brics-back-russia-crimea)

Any US leader with half a brain would see that disengaging from Europe entirely has been made necessary as a result of Team Obama negligence, we will never win back the EU's support, not after spying on them, ignoring them, screwing them over...we can perhaps peel off England from the EU and that might be about it, the rest should be cut loose, because preparing for economic and military warfare with the BRICS is the only challenge to be focused on going forward.  The EU is about to destroy itself and/or be absorbed by Vlad the Nation Inhaler.  These are our cards, they suck, but it is all we have.

Of course if Hitlery or whoever continues this charade then all we can look forward to is destruction and by the time we are done killing ourselves the foreign hoardes may not find any reason to fuss over any part of us...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 02, 2014, 07:53:51 AM
Ukraine OK's war games with NATO in Ukraine.

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-pm-medvedev-visits-crimea-reports-075219445.html (http://news.yahoo.com/russian-pm-medvedev-visits-crimea-reports-075219445.html)

This should be interesting...I am thinking these games won't be too robust...more symbolic than predictive of any future cooperation...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on April 02, 2014, 06:37:33 PM
Ukraine OK's war games with NATO in Ukraine.

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-pm-medvedev-visits-crimea-reports-075219445.html (http://news.yahoo.com/russian-pm-medvedev-visits-crimea-reports-075219445.html)

This should be interesting...I am thinking these games won't be too robust...more symbolic than predictive of any future cooperation...

  More like a runway show for the mature woman, tasteful not too provocative with a dash of sassy.  ::curtsy4::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 03, 2014, 07:07:32 AM
Ukraine OK's war games with NATO in Ukraine.

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-pm-medvedev-visits-crimea-reports-075219445.html (http://news.yahoo.com/russian-pm-medvedev-visits-crimea-reports-075219445.html)

This should be interesting...I am thinking these games won't be too robust...more symbolic than predictive of any future cooperation...

  More like a runway show for the mature woman, tasteful not too provocative with a dash of sassy.  ::curtsy4::

Yeah.  (Soon to be former) allies in the region probably want something a little more substantial...

Good luck with that.

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 07, 2014, 07:02:17 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/pro-russians-storm-government-building-eastern-ukraine-132011839.html (http://news.yahoo.com/pro-russians-storm-government-building-eastern-ukraine-132011839.html)

Vlad trying to provoke a response...even though thatb is what he seeks...I wouldn't mind snaeking into the lairs of a few of these clowns leading this bullshyt and slitting their throats...just to let Vlad know we know what he is up to...

Mailing some hands with Gazprom invoices and a few Rubles clutched in them to the Kremlin would be a nice touch too!  ;)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 09, 2014, 09:14:06 AM
The Battle of East vs West to intensify...these two stories are obviously linked...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-09/russia-and-china-about-sign-holy-grail-gas-deal (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-09/russia-and-china-about-sign-holy-grail-gas-deal)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-08/russian-military-spending-soars (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-08/russian-military-spending-soars)

Yes, two nations aligning in self-interest while the West dies of rot from within...the latter to lash out in futile retaliation (economic and military) only to discover they a) have no friends, b) have no coordination, c) have God-awful leadership - political, economic and military, and d) will be over-extended, vulnerable and ripe for exploitation.

Our only hope here in America is a Revolution/Civil War to rid ourselves of our dead wood and look to ourselves first...

Oh well, nobody will see it that way though...

We're doomed!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 10, 2014, 11:42:00 AM
Why do I get the feeling we are going to see something pathetic?

http://weaselzippers.us/182342-general-breedlove-us-troops-may-be-sent-to-eastern-europe/ (http://weaselzippers.us/182342-general-breedlove-us-troops-may-be-sent-to-eastern-europe/)

“Essentially what we are looking at is a package of land, air and maritime measures that would build assurance for our easternmost allies,” Breedlove told the AP.

Yeah, uhh huh... 



ETA - More news not detracting from my feeling that Team Obama and Team Europe won't screw the pooch one way or another on this...

The orchestrations of Team Vlad are exploiting the divisions in Ukraine and the anti-Russian forces in Ukraine and their so-called supporters int he West are playing by a set if rules Team Vlad doesn't have to concern himself with all that much...

Team Vlad is clearly winning...for now....

If nothing changes I think in the long run Russia could have problems, and not sure the wooing of the Chi-Com's will be enough to improve their lot in the long run...and there is nothing different now as there was 20 or 40 years ago...China could swallow all of Asia if it wanted to, and that includes Russia.

Vlad better be wary of his new lover!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on April 14, 2014, 03:30:49 PM
Russian fighter jets spent 90 minutes buzzing a US destroyer in the Black Sea:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/14/russian-fighter-jet-buzzes-us-navy-destroyer-black/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/14/russian-fighter-jet-buzzes-us-navy-destroyer-black/)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 15, 2014, 07:21:26 AM
A test of nerves is all, I expect they were hoping some kid on the fire-control panel was going to get itchy or a officer fresh out of the Academy standing watch would panic and issue a fire order...neither was very likely to happen...

But a burst of Sea Whiz off his tail to send the hint that that was close enough would have been nice...but that is more my wishful thinking than reality...

I reckon all out forces are on strict orders not to be the first to engave in any provative behavior.  The only thing we likely did was paint that clown with our targeting radar and have fun making the pilot uncomfortable hearing that "lock" tone...


In other news...

Ukraine asks for UN peacekeepers...but since that woudl be vetoed by the peace-minded Rooskies  (ha!)  that won't go anywhere...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/15/world/europe/russia-east-ukraine.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/15/world/europe/russia-east-ukraine.html?_r=0)

So they are still left with the hapless Americans and Euro's...

That is to say they are doomed.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 15, 2014, 11:41:20 AM
Vlad must have given the order to kill, cause some killin' appears to be going on...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-15/ukraine-troops-apcs-storm-occupied-slavyansk (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-15/ukraine-troops-apcs-storm-occupied-slavyansk)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-15/unidentified-fighter-jets-open-fire-kramatorsk-airfield-casualties-reported (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-15/unidentified-fighter-jets-open-fire-kramatorsk-airfield-casualties-reported)

??????????? ?????????? 15 04 14 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGAc-avJBh0#ws)

That Airborne news is key, if they are deploy those guys, a full-blown incursion could be iminent!

I can already here Lurch stuttering and Obama blathering about "20th century behavior"...

Poor Ukraine...screwed by friends and foes alike...

They'll never trust anybody ever again...

Her people will either get out or stay and become underground partisans...I see no other fate beyond that or servitude to the Mongrel Rooskies...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on April 15, 2014, 12:41:07 PM
One of the things that bugs me most about the Infowars/ZeroHedge/PaulBot apologies for Russia is when they say "this part of Ukraine is ethnically and culturally Russian and they voted for the pro-Russia side".  Well no sh*t Sherlock, when Russia has pursued a multi-generation policy of settling Russians there specifically for the purpose of watering down and ultimately replacing the native Ukrainians, that's what you get.

I guess by that reasoning we might as well concede the southwest to "Aztlan" right?  This is one of the oldest tricks in the book, it's a way to wage war without putting armies in the field.  The English did it to the Irish by settling Scots in northern Ireland.  They saw it as killing two birds with one stone: the Scots were a thorn in their side so hey just resettle them in Ireland where they'll squabble with the Catholic Irish instead.  Win-win for the English.  Those same Scots then later came to the New World in droves and that's most of my ancestry.  We have a long heritage of being ornery and refusing to respect self-proclaimed authority. I can just tell the anger that boils in me is the same anger that has lived for centuries in this Celtic rabble!

But back on topic -- this is just another example of manufactured consent. The Ukrainians never "consented" to being demographically replaced, so excuse me if I fart in the general direction of this "the people in that region are pro-Russian" argument.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 16, 2014, 07:26:19 AM
Yeah.  Plus, when you have the former regime subjugate the native people for like 74 years or something and lord over them with bureaucrats large and small who are Rooskies...well sure, it's easier to look at the leftovers from 20 years ago as "yours"!

So yeah, I fart on 'em too!

And hey, by that dumb logic nobody has Americans beat, right?  We come from everywhere, so by extension we should annex every nation on earth because, well, we gotta protect all our people, even the ones we haven't brought in yet!

Throw that one on the hardcore IW/ZH/PB crowd and watch their brains melt!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 17, 2014, 08:07:28 AM
Ukrainians fight back, kill three Rooskies...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/17/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/ (http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/17/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/)

NATO stepping up eastern border patrols...wow, brave...decisive...   ::)

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/17/world/europe/nato-ukraine.html?hp&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/17/world/europe/nato-ukraine.html?hp&_r=0)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 17, 2014, 11:20:04 AM
Vlad is insane...one minute he wants to project a strong confident peaceful Russia...the other a weak vulnerable one threatened by a larger stronger more beligerent US/EU alliance....Sweet Jesus, I felt safer when Russia was run by handlers because their leaders were to old and/or drunk to give a shyt!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-17/putin-slams-kievs-serious-crime-says-will-respond-nato-moves (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-17/putin-slams-kievs-serious-crime-says-will-respond-nato-moves)

And...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-17/watch-ukraine-mig-buzzes-trees-spook-east-ukraine-civilians (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-17/watch-ukraine-mig-buzzes-trees-spook-east-ukraine-civilians)

...yes, stop wasting fuel...start firing rounds, missiles and dropping bombs on Rooskies!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 17, 2014, 02:31:27 PM
Oh Dear Lord!  What did the SCoaMF and that horse-faced traitor Jean F promise Vlad?!?!?!

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/04/17/deal-reached-on-calming-ukraine-tensions/ (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/04/17/deal-reached-on-calming-ukraine-tensions/)

Monitors?

 ::facepalm::

I want to see the details...it's there that the betrayal and capitulation will be hiding!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: LadyVirginia on April 17, 2014, 03:04:36 PM
the latest:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/)

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on April 17, 2014, 03:45:36 PM
Update: Some locals maintain that it is in fact a false flag by Ukrainian nationalists designed to make the Putinistas look bad: (http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/17/report-jewish-residents-being-forced-to-register-by-pro-russian-militants-in-eastern-ukrainian-city/)

So, who knows right now?  Developing .......
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 18, 2014, 07:40:20 AM
the latest:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/)

Heard that, was skeptical at first, want confirmation.  Pan's link appears to prove the false flag angle, but, if true, as a tactic I cannot blame them, they are in a desperate state, the US/EU/NATO effort is weak and in a poor position to act after the fact, the Russians have position and infiltration and the will to secure this (and more) annexation(s).

Every angle looks bad for Ukraine.  They need to find some sort of lever they can pull, some sort of Doomsday Machine...or a good 'ol miracle.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 18, 2014, 01:47:44 PM
Rooskie-lovers appear to be succeeding in their attempt to scuttle the latest East-West pajama party...send Ukraine hurtling down the path of blood and misery...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-18/ukraine-de-escalation-voided-pro-russia-milita-refuse-vacate-occupied-buildings (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-18/ukraine-de-escalation-voided-pro-russia-milita-refuse-vacate-occupied-buildings)


ETA -

Vlad is probing, trying to manufacture a response...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/easter-truce-broken-five-dead-at-ukrainian-checkpoint-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/easter-truce-broken-five-dead-at-ukrainian-checkpoint-video/)

Meanwhile, Ukrainians at a soccer stadium start chanting “Putin is a douche!” !

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/ukrainians-chant-putin-is-a-douche-at-packed-soccer-stadium-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/ukrainians-chant-putin-is-a-douche-at-packed-soccer-stadium-video/)

 ::clapping::

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 23, 2014, 07:19:20 AM
My God, is Kerry a moron!  I know that gets said a lot, but...doesn't make it any less valid!

http://news.yahoo.com/kerry-easier-cold-war-165939739.html (http://news.yahoo.com/kerry-easier-cold-war-165939739.html)

He has nothing to negotiate with...no brains, no cunning, and certainly nothing provided by Obama will help...because neither of these idiots know who they are trying to deal with, and all they have is words and useless bits of paper...these clowns are worse than Neville Chamberlain!

And as far as token moves to check future Russian moves this has little effect...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/22/russia-ukraine-crimea-pentagon/8022747/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/22/russia-ukraine-crimea-pentagon/8022747/)

...anybody think Obama would really respond in force if a few Americans died in another incursion in the Baltic, that somehow that will deter Vlad from doing whatever the hell he wants?

 ::facepalm::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 24, 2014, 07:46:04 AM
Vlad the Nation Inhaler has apparently had enough of waiting around, figures Obama and the EUtards are powerless to do jack squat and is rolling units southward from Rostov toward Ukraine...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-24/putin-says-use-force-ukraine-will-have-consequences-column-military-vehicles-seen-he (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-24/putin-says-use-force-ukraine-will-have-consequences-column-military-vehicles-seen-he)

And in Ukraine the government in Kiev is apparently tired of waiting on the US and EU and is looking to protect themselves from Russian meddlers and rolls troops and armor into Slavyansk...sounds like the pro-Russian forces there may be led by Regular Russian forces...which if true kind of puts a lie to Putin's statements.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-24/fighting-breaks-out-ukraine-deploys-tanks-apcs-troops-slavyansk-deaths-reported (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-24/fighting-breaks-out-ukraine-deploys-tanks-apcs-troops-slavyansk-deaths-reported)

Putin is going to take this personal, his manhood is being called into question, regardless if he is in the wrong or not, he will respond.  This could spin into fugly pretty quick.

Time for O'Bongo to hit the links...he doesn't want shyt to do with this noise, poor Kerry will have to stammer and stutter in front of cameras instead...

 ::unknowncomic::


ETA -

Makes sense...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/leaflets-dropped-in-slaviansk-ukraine-dont-come-near-government-buildings-war/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/leaflets-dropped-in-slaviansk-ukraine-dont-come-near-government-buildings-war/)

..Vlad the Nation Inhaler drops bombs, not leaflets...

Shyt gonna get real right quick!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 25, 2014, 07:31:50 AM
Rooskies panties in a twist over being downgraded by S&P, threaten total financial break with the West.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-25/furious-russia-downgraded-just-above-junk-sp-proposes-scorched-earth-retaliation-aga (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-25/furious-russia-downgraded-just-above-junk-sp-proposes-scorched-earth-retaliation-aga)

Yeah.  Whatever.  You mongrels went to bed with the Chi-Com's so BFD, go along now, you chose East over West...lets see how that works out for you in the end...that Chi-Com mistress might smother you in your sleep and take all your stuff!  Yeah, that'd be a damned shame, eh?  Or not!

 ::mooning::

Meanwhile, back at the front...

Ukraine PM Arseniy Yatsenyuk said at a cabinet meeting in Kiev that:

•Russia has done nothing to implement Geneva accord  (True)
•Ukraine will continue to comply with Geneva accord (True)
•Ukraine urges Russia to keep promises, condemn extremists  (Good luck with that)
•Ukraine calls on international community to unite against Russia, (Good luck with that)
•Russian invasion will turn into Europe-wide conflict, (True, even though the ZH Putin-lovers know it but will never admit it, war, if it comes can only be result of Western (especially US NeoCon) malfeasance)  and the punchline:
•Russia Wants to Start Third World War (The mocking here of warmongering by ZH clowns is especially rich, given their numerous cries of warmongering by everyone...except Iran, Russia...see a theme here?)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-25/ukraine-accuses-russia-wanting-start-world-war-iii (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-25/ukraine-accuses-russia-wanting-start-world-war-iii)

But, mock Ukraine idiots, just because the West and Russia are both crapping on them does not make their statements any less true or valid...

I remember a time when people at ZH used to care about national sovereignty...well, those days are gone.

But they may be right about NATO...

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/04-overflow/20140424_nato.png)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-24/how-world-sees-nato-one-cartoon (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-24/how-world-sees-nato-one-cartoon)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 29, 2014, 07:42:40 AM
The chaos continues...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10794340/Eastern-Ukraine-slips-further-into-chaos-as-violence-flares-and-mayor-shot.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10794340/Eastern-Ukraine-slips-further-into-chaos-as-violence-flares-and-mayor-shot.html)

...time is only on Vlad's side...being in-region means having the advantage in any waiting game...

...and the Obongo Regime is powerless (by their own existence) to change that dynamic one iota...

And those Rooskie troops amassed are not going anywhere...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-29/no-deescalation-separatists-take-over-another-ukraine-administration-building-nato-s (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-29/no-deescalation-separatists-take-over-another-ukraine-administration-building-nato-s)






ETA - And Ron Paul once again reminds us why is an effing moonbat and unelectable loon!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/ron-paul-us-sanctions-against-russia-an-act-of-war/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/ron-paul-us-sanctions-against-russia-an-act-of-war/)

US-imposed war?  WTF is this clown on?  Shrooms?  What a dipshyt!  Russia is extorting Ukraine and the West for oil and gas supply, Ukraine became the battleground and this drooling old loon thinks this is a US-imposed war?  What an embarassing clown!

I guess seeing the pro-Russia Vlad-loving types beat the shyt out of the elderly and women and such for daring to hold a Ukrainian flag warms the cold dead cockels of Ron's heart and the other cold dead hearts who follow that batshyt old fool!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/pro-russian-separatists-beat-ukrainian-protesters-with-bats-in-donetsk-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/pro-russian-separatists-beat-ukrainian-protesters-with-bats-in-donetsk-video/)

I wish these people would club Ron down, see what he and his people think of that...I guess they would just scream "f**king US-Imposed war-mongers" as a Russian beats him silly...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 30, 2014, 07:27:07 AM
(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Qpd2XzMrMkPYmLbrIx7fmw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTM1MTtxPTc1O3c9MzAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/afp.com/a5882143bca017f18f61db30cc26e953264d6355.jpg)

http://news.yahoo.com/us-reviving-iron-curtain-policies-russia-094611975.html (http://news.yahoo.com/us-reviving-iron-curtain-policies-russia-094611975.html)

Nice map, all those hot-spots are just a coincidence in their proximity to Mother Russia, I guess it would really have to stretch ones terribly-limited imagination to think Rooskie troops could never make it that far undetected in civilian attire and cause mayhem, riots and death, eh?

And if Vlad wants to threaten Western energy co's well schucks, we should just kick their damned hockey players out of the NHL and let them go back to the Mother Land and earn money running whores and drugs!

 ::mooning::

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 01, 2014, 07:31:51 AM
May 9th - Vlad to visit Crimea...

http://news.yahoo.com/putin-visit-crimea-may-9-military-parade-094458784.html;_ylt=AmoLER5._S_GU4H2Rfs8sKPQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBsMDM3a2wyBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwM0BHNlYwNzcg-- (http://news.yahoo.com/putin-visit-crimea-may-9-military-parade-094458784.html;_ylt=AmoLER5._S_GU4H2Rfs8sKPQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBsMDM3a2wyBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwM0BHNlYwNzcg--)

...perfect time to put sniper teams in place and take him out...

...seems obvious, doesn't it?

And if there was ever any doubt about the ambitions of Vlad the Nation Inhaler!

http://weaselzippers.us/184626-russia-revives-may-day-moscow-parade-for-first-time-since-collapse-of-soviet-union/ (http://weaselzippers.us/184626-russia-revives-may-day-moscow-parade-for-first-time-since-collapse-of-soviet-union/)

Mischief workers of the world unite...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 02, 2014, 07:39:10 AM
Ukraine feeling the strain, forced to institute conscription...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-01/ukraine-admits-helpless-against-pro-russian-forces-reinstates-military-conscription (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-01/ukraine-admits-helpless-against-pro-russian-forces-reinstates-military-conscription)

...likely most will come from the western half of the nation...

...what else can they do?



Well, they need to find a way to supress ground to air fire if they plan on flying any more aircraft!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-02/ukraine-begins-army-offensive-regain-slavyansk-separatists-retaliate-shoot-down-heli (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-02/ukraine-begins-army-offensive-regain-slavyansk-separatists-retaliate-shoot-down-heli)

Yeah, were these peaceful Russia-lovers getting their weapons from, eh?  The Tooth Fairy?  I don't think so!

And Czar Vlad's got the balls to say this kills the Geneva Accord?

And we wonder where client states like Iran get their bullshyt from?

Well, intelligent people need not wonder, we know...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 05, 2014, 07:30:36 AM
Jews in Odessa preparing to evacuate as violence escalates.

http://www.jpost.com/International/Odessa-Jewish-community-mulls-emergency-evacuation-351334 (http://www.jpost.com/International/Odessa-Jewish-community-mulls-emergency-evacuation-351334)

No clean way out of this mess...and Team O'Bongo just makes everything worse...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 05, 2014, 11:34:57 AM
The Russians (are already there, but more) are coming!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/05/report-russian-troops-will-enter-ukraine-at-1900-near-antratsyt/# (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/05/report-russian-troops-will-enter-ukraine-at-1900-near-antratsyt/#)!

Time to set the oil & gas pipelines ablaze yet?   ::whatgives::

ETA - Violence ramping up.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-05/slavyansk-clashes-kill-20-rebels-injure-dozens-civilians-white-house-extremely-conce (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-05/slavyansk-clashes-kill-20-rebels-injure-dozens-civilians-white-house-extremely-conce)

As far as whatsherfaces deal, whatever...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on May 05, 2014, 03:36:46 PM
Jews in Odessa preparing to evacuate as violence escalates.

http://www.jpost.com/International/Odessa-Jewish-community-mulls-emergency-evacuation-351334 (http://www.jpost.com/International/Odessa-Jewish-community-mulls-emergency-evacuation-351334)

No clean way out of this mess...and Team O'Bongo just makes everything worse...

 What do you mean he sent 150 troops.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on May 05, 2014, 08:52:28 PM
Jews in Odessa preparing to evacuate as violence escalates.

http://www.jpost.com/International/Odessa-Jewish-community-mulls-emergency-evacuation-351334 (http://www.jpost.com/International/Odessa-Jewish-community-mulls-emergency-evacuation-351334)

No clean way out of this mess...and Team O'Bongo just makes everything worse...

 What do you mean he sent 150 troops.

Yah, big whoop.  And I'll betcha dollars to doughtnuts there'll be at least one that ends up on the hook for defending himself/violating some cretin's human rights/______________ .
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 06, 2014, 06:49:59 AM
Jews in Odessa preparing to evacuate as violence escalates.

http://www.jpost.com/International/Odessa-Jewish-community-mulls-emergency-evacuation-351334 (http://www.jpost.com/International/Odessa-Jewish-community-mulls-emergency-evacuation-351334)

No clean way out of this mess...and Team O'Bongo just makes everything worse...

 What do you mean he sent 150 troops.

Yah, big whoop.  And I'll betcha dollars to doughtnuts there'll be at least one that ends up on the hook for defending himself/violating some cretin's human rights/______________ .

Sadly...I will not take that bet...

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 07, 2014, 11:40:29 AM
Putin lied...peace in Ukraine died.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-07/putin-pulls-fast-one-nato-says-no-russian-troop-withdrawal (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-07/putin-pulls-fast-one-nato-says-no-russian-troop-withdrawal)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 08, 2014, 11:39:10 AM
On the heels of Russia not withdrawing from the region, we have -

1)  Donetsk refererendum and accompanying premeditated annexation moving forward...Putin just put Ukraine in check...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-08/here-comes-crimea-20-following-referendum-donetsk-will-vote-become-part-russia (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-08/here-comes-crimea-20-following-referendum-donetsk-will-vote-become-part-russia)

2)  Russia states "economic sanctions" are "not their method"...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-08/russia-says-forced-respond-warns-sanctions-not-our-method (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-08/russia-says-forced-respond-warns-sanctions-not-our-method)

...which naturally leads into their method...

3)  Russia tries to intimidate West by conducting live-fire (nuclear) missile tests from land and sea...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-08/russia-launches-two-icbms-rebuffs-simulated-massive-nuclear-strike-part-military-dri (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-08/russia-launches-two-icbms-rebuffs-simulated-massive-nuclear-strike-part-military-dri)

Wow, look at all those ZeroHedgers get woodies over Vlad the Nation Inhaler launching missiles!  Usually all a Western nation has to do is think about launching something, or sortie an aircraft, or deploy a naval vessel...and they are freaking out and issuing dire warnings of imminent WWIII annihilation and upping the war-monger rhetoric into overdrive!

They are in love with the strong cult-of-personality leader in the Kremlin, only those others are of the dangerous variety!

Effing idiots!





ETA - Another possible venue for pest removal...

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PUTIN_D_DAY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-05-08-17-05-44 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PUTIN_D_DAY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-05-08-17-05-44)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 09, 2014, 11:49:25 AM
 ::facepalm::

Crap.  Vlad survives Crimea, not shots heard, is still vertical.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/05/putin-visits-newly-aquired-crimea-for-victory-day-celebrations-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/05/putin-visits-newly-aquired-crimea-for-victory-day-celebrations-video/)

Well, on to Normandy!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 09, 2014, 12:09:58 PM
Anybody spot any Armed Cossacks in Ukraine doing Vlad's bidding?

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20140507.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20140507.aspx)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 12, 2014, 07:12:50 AM
Fools, bullets, politicians foreign and domestic, Spetsnaz, a divided citizenry, Mercs, gas & pipelines and attendant exploitation and extortion...this story has it all!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-11/89-donetsk-voters-pick-independence-kiev-ukraine-warns-prepared-fight-defend-territo (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-11/89-donetsk-voters-pick-independence-kiev-ukraine-warns-prepared-fight-defend-territo)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-11/400-blackwater-mercs-deployed-ukraine-against-separatists-german-press-reports (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-11/400-blackwater-mercs-deployed-ukraine-against-separatists-german-press-reports)

Revolution, partition...who knows...continued conflict, pain and death?  For certain.

Bloody mess any way you slice it...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 12, 2014, 11:48:39 AM
Funny how that works...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/05/caught-on-tape-russia-tells-donetsk-puppets-breakaway-vote-should-come-out-to-89-final-vote-comes-out-to-89/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/05/caught-on-tape-russia-tells-donetsk-puppets-breakaway-vote-should-come-out-to-89-final-vote-comes-out-to-89/)

...OK, not "ha-ha!" funny...more of the "monkey-business" funny...

And as expected there is no mention of this at ZeroHedge Central...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-12/east-ukraines-donetsk-declares-itself-sovereign-asks-moscow-consider-absorption-new- (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-12/east-ukraines-donetsk-declares-itself-sovereign-asks-moscow-consider-absorption-new-)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-12/russia-demands-immediate-talks-kiev-says-refereda-show-real-mood-people (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-12/russia-demands-immediate-talks-kiev-says-refereda-show-real-mood-people)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-12/seen-new-donetsk-republic-leaders-wall (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-12/seen-new-donetsk-republic-leaders-wall)

...they are following the Putin Line all the way and are apparently giddy at the prospects of the swelling Russian Empire...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 13, 2014, 08:02:46 AM
Ron Paul.   ::facepalm::

I thought this idiot went away?

He's like a case of the clap, he just keeps coming back...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-12/ron-paul-asks-what-does-us-government-want-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-12/ron-paul-asks-what-does-us-government-want-ukraine)

Obviously, no hard questions for the idiot, like why he has such a hankering for Vlads man-juice, why he thinks it is A-OK for Russia to use gas and oil as a weapon, why annexation under any pretense is legitimate state action, why Russian commandos need to be operating in the eastern provinces of Ukraine if in fact they are so lopsidedly in favor of Russian domination, why Russia can do all this to its neighbor yet the US cannot do the same to its neighbors like Cuba and Mexico?

The idiot doctor should learn to STFD & STFU!  He is about as helpful as a case of the crabs!

 ::cussing::  fool!

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 13, 2014, 11:48:06 AM
Oh no!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13/russia-retaliates-blocks-gps-bans-us-use-its-rocket-engines (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13/russia-retaliates-blocks-gps-bans-us-use-its-rocket-engines)

No rockets!

 ::ohno::

Whatever.  ZHers seem to make a bigger deal out of this than warranted and their Vlad Worship comes out obvious at the end of the short post...

I think in the long term it could be positive, if NASA gets back to rockets instead of Muzzie outreach and other such rot!



Russian puppet in Luhansk survives shooting.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13/peoples-governor-newly-independent-luhansk-survives-assassination-attempt (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13/peoples-governor-newly-independent-luhansk-survives-assassination-attempt)

Come on Ukraine!  You can do better than this.  Use an RPG next time!   ::)



And here, gosh...I wonder who attacked this Ukrainian convoy...   ::thinking::

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13/6-ukraine-soldiers-killed-8-injured-ahead-tomorrows-leave-or-face-war-deadline (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13/6-ukraine-soldiers-killed-8-injured-ahead-tomorrows-leave-or-face-war-deadline)

Misguided Pro-Russian separatists or infiltrated Rooskie regulars?  Well, what difference does it make?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 14, 2014, 07:58:20 AM
Huh, whattaya know, actual pics of Rooskies piled up on the Ukraine border...

(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/nG3yeXMp.TbBqbVsVzIW.Q--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2014-05-13T222824Z_1574708204_GM1EA5E0DAF01_RTRMADP_3_UKRAINE-CRISIS-PHOTOGRAPHS.JPG)

http://news.yahoo.com/u-releases-satellite-images-russian-forces-near-ukraine-191329937--sector.html (http://news.yahoo.com/u-releases-satellite-images-russian-forces-near-ukraine-191329937--sector.html)

Must be fakes, Vlad would never lie to us, he's ex-KGB for Stalin's sake!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 16, 2014, 07:35:50 AM
Yeah...looks like a Russian-ass-kisser...

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/05/20140515_dontesk1.png)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-15/donetsk-declares-martial-law-leave-or-face-total-annihilation-deadline-hits-within-h (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-15/donetsk-declares-martial-law-leave-or-face-total-annihilation-deadline-hits-within-h)

...talks real tough with Putin standing behind him, hands on his shoulders...

 ::vafancoul::

Heh, I wonder if something unusual sent this Rooskie launch awry?!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-15/rocket-carrying-russias-most-advanced-communications-satellite-crashes-take (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-15/rocket-carrying-russias-most-advanced-communications-satellite-crashes-take)

 ::smallestviolin::

And clearly, this news can only mean Russia intends to maintain a hostile posture toward Ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-16/moscow-says-massive-holy-grail-gas-deal-china-98-ready), so really, what incentive does Ukraine, the EU, the US or anybody (especially other regional neighbors!) have to play nice with Russia any more?

 ::whatgives::

Pretty clever...

Prince Vlad as Darth Vader...

Darth Vader takes control and saves Odessa, Ukraine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_72v783tlA#ws)

...and numbnuts think Vlad is the wrong evil empire builder?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-16/darth-vader-steps-his-political-campaign-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-16/darth-vader-steps-his-political-campaign-ukraine)

...what makes Vlad any less evil?   ::whatgives::

Stupid PaulBots!   ::mooning::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 19, 2014, 07:17:20 AM
More good news for Russia...

http://news.yahoo.com/hard-nato-defend-baltic-states-russia-spiegel-181301547--sector.html (http://news.yahoo.com/hard-nato-defend-baltic-states-russia-spiegel-181301547--sector.html)

...NATO's spine to soften in defending the Baltic states?  No, say it isn't so!  I mean the hard line in the sand you set in Ukraine..ahh...errr...ummm...

O'Bongoism, heck of a policy, ain't it?

Like the Preacher in Blazing Saddles said, "...you're on your own."!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on May 19, 2014, 11:20:17 AM
And now we see the consequences of western Europe putting so much money into their cradle-to-grave welfare states for 70 years following WWII, since Uncle Sugar was doing their defense spending for them. Now that Uncle Sugar either can't or won't do it for them anymore, the world sees just how impotent they are by themselves.

And it furthermore appears that we're all about to learn a lesson on how the welfare state has in essence produced generations of junkies who are dependent on OPM, and the ability for them to keep getting their fix is coming to an end.

The Russians have correctly calculated that the US and western Europe are strategically impotent, and sitting on a social time bomb that will go off when OPM dries up.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 19, 2014, 11:43:09 AM
Yup, they willingly accepted what the Soviets had to impose...the results will be the same...

But the difference is that when the Soviet Empire collapsed a ravenous neighbor did not pounce to feast upon the fresh carcass, I expect the Euro's will not be as fortunate...

Heck, neither will we be so fortunate, going down the road to perdition we're on!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 20, 2014, 07:52:11 AM
The new Axis of Evil...

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/05/Putin%20Xi.jpg)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-20/communist-caption-contest (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-20/communist-caption-contest)

And all we got is...

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Obama%20Admin/ObamaPostAmerican.jpg)

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 23, 2014, 01:07:24 PM
Jeez!  Tyler's at ZeroHedge really are a bunch of Russophiles, aren't they?!

"However, one thing Putin made explicitly clear earlier today is that he sees NATO expansion as the single biggest threat to Russia, especially considering the implicit understanding between James Baker and Gorbachev from 1990 that Nato would not expand east. Well, NATO may not only be expanding east but it may soon be knocking on Russia's doorstep.  And that would certainly provoke the Russian bear like nothing yet seen."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-23/russia-has-prepared-confidential-retaliation-document-ukraine-prepares-hold-nato-acc (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-23/russia-has-prepared-confidential-retaliation-document-ukraine-prepares-hold-nato-acc)

What a disingenous unapologetic Putin-ass-kissing intellectually dishonest little dweeb Tyler is!

He links to a NYT's article from 2009, an outfit that adores and carries dirty water for Putin's nemesis on a daily basis, in a weak effort to bolster the pathetic argument that Vlad is entirely in the right and that provoking him (like provoking say Obama with the truth) is justification enough to sanction any retalitory response up to and including mass murder...while ignoring the express conditions of the December 5th 1994 Budapest Memorandum (aka Memorandum on Security Assurances in connection with Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons) that Russia is ignoring - specifically: threatnening the independence and soverignty of Ukraine, violating the territory of Ukraine, the use of force/threat of force on Ukraine and the economic coercion of Ukraine (Gazprom, hello?!) as well as conveniently ignoring the fact that the US and the UK pledged to come to the aid of Ukraine if threatened by ANY of the above!

So take your commie agreement and shove it up your ass, Tyler!  That is as soon as you can get off your knees and wipe the Putin off your chin!

 ::vafancoul::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 04, 2014, 07:20:22 AM
Heh!  I like it!

(http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/403x537xfu-putin.jpg.pagespeed.ic.IJq7SYM3Fo.jpg)

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/new-fck-you-putin-bracelets-on-sale-to-help-raise-money-for-ukrainian-army/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/new-fck-you-putin-bracelets-on-sale-to-help-raise-money-for-ukrainian-army/)

 ::thinking::

Hey?!  Y'all think this would work back here?   ;)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 06, 2014, 01:01:02 PM
Clear majority view US negatively...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/06/06/putin-foreigners-russia/10003575/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/06/06/putin-foreigners-russia/10003575/)

...well, how hard is that?

-Russians historically adore their strong men...until they set off on genocide, then they just replace them with another one...

-Obama is a tool...

-Think it sucks from afar?  Try being this close to stupid!  See above "Obama is a tool" and add in a host of other DemoProgs running amok everywhere...

SHOCKA!

\
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 10, 2014, 08:04:36 AM
This is a good read about what is going on in Ukraine and the risks for Russia.  They really are in a pickle if their subversive war fizzles.

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20140607.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20140607.aspx)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 12, 2014, 11:50:31 AM
Going to get interesting now...

Russians invade Ukraine with 3 tanks and APC's...unknown number of troops...Snezhnoye area of the Donetsk region...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-12/firefight-underway-russian-rebels-cross-border-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-12/firefight-underway-russian-rebels-cross-border-ukraine)

Repel and destroy, capture some alive...trot them out in front of cameras and let the world see what Russia is up to...and then suffer dejection when the world shrugs...better off slaughtering them all on sight and screw the PR crap!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 17, 2014, 07:11:03 AM
Obama is only growing weaker by the second...I could see Vlad the Nation-Inhaler going all-in soon...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-16/ukraine-says-russia-has-38-000-troops-on-border-amid-invasion-.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-16/ukraine-says-russia-has-38-000-troops-on-border-amid-invasion-.html)

ETA - Gas explosion/fire in Ukraine Poltava region...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-17/ukraine-russia-near-serious-conflict-following-gas-transit-pipeline-explosion (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-17/ukraine-russia-near-serious-conflict-following-gas-transit-pipeline-explosion)

...Putin false flag to send in the 38k troops? 

Lock 'n Load, Ukraine!  The Mongrels are coming!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on June 18, 2014, 05:22:19 PM
  They wont because they know that Bumler won't do a damned thing to help.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 19, 2014, 09:01:33 AM
More fighting, more blood...the status quo works only to Russia's advantage...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-19/ukraine-truce-lasts-several-seconds-latest-fighting-involving-4000-troops-tanks-apc- (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-19/ukraine-truce-lasts-several-seconds-latest-fighting-involving-4000-troops-tanks-apc-)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 30, 2014, 07:43:19 AM
Putin & Gazprom Plan B - Bypass Ukraine...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-30/russia-reveals-plan-b-gazprom-says-gas-transit-ukraine-may-be-stopped-completely (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-30/russia-reveals-plan-b-gazprom-says-gas-transit-ukraine-may-be-stopped-completely)

...getting past the ZH euphoria of a Russia win...this is no slam-dunk for Putin & Gazprom...if I were Ukraine I would be dispatching Commando's to both the nearby border with Russia part of the Blue Stream section as well as the vulnerable points in the South Stream section in Bulgaria...then that leverage returns to Ukraine again...

Oh, and as for Austria, nice union you got there EU, once again Austria causes problems in Europe...SSDD...   ::mooning::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 01, 2014, 08:42:53 AM
As I said before...time and fecklessness by the West only works to Russia's advantage...

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20140625.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20140625.aspx)

...just like 1938 all over again...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 07, 2014, 07:57:30 AM
Wow, ZH not even trying to hide its Russia-bias any more...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-06/what-next-ukraine-ethnic-cleansing (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-06/what-next-ukraine-ethnic-cleansing)

...one of those "the majority is fine when they are with me and sucks and must be overruled when they are against me" attitudes the Left typically loves to employ...

...if the majority of people in Ukraine are umm...Ukrainian...it makes sense to drive the Russians out, eh?

I guess if ZHer's were invaded by some folks they don't like and told to shut up and enjoy having your terrirtory violated, stolen and your people shot...

...yeah, that makes about as much sense as anything oozing out of this White House...

...and not a big fan of Ziggy, but his idea at least has the benefit of doing something to level the playing field in a military sense...I would go so far as to provide better air defense as well, but...anything that makes further pillaging by Ivan harder would be nice...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 07, 2014, 12:06:25 PM
I bet this pipline experiences some disruptions...   ;)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-07/russia-rushes-seal-south-stream-pipeline-lavrov-pays-bulgaria-visit (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-07/russia-rushes-seal-south-stream-pipeline-lavrov-pays-bulgaria-visit)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 14, 2014, 08:29:43 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/moscow-considering-targeted-strikes-ukraine-084145577.html (http://news.yahoo.com/moscow-considering-targeted-strikes-ukraine-084145577.html)

If I were Ukraine I would consider some assassination squads targeting high-level rooskie pols & military officers...just, you know, because their patience at being raped and killed by rooskies is, not limitless...

 ;)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 17, 2014, 08:19:59 AM
Hammering the Russian markets seems to have been the bullseye for the latest round of Obama sanctions...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/russian-bonds-stocks-ruble-tumble-latest-us-sanctions (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/russian-bonds-stocks-ruble-tumble-latest-us-sanctions)

...not changing a damn thing on the ground in Ukraine...

...without a strong military component this strategy, well I don't even think it is that, it is a tactic, I have no fracking idea what these Obama clowns think their strategy is, anyway...no military component and any chance of stopping Russian domination of this or any other nation in the region is impossible...and I don't see Obamites doing anyting militarily, so...

Ukraine and other nations, y'all effed!

And sanctions alone will only play into Vlad's hands...just as he has said and continues to say...

Russians, Iranians,...thney all know how to beat sanctions, any effect is going to be short-lived and only spur them on...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 17, 2014, 11:44:17 AM
Here we go...

Looks like Russian-supplied Pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine mistook a Malaysian airliner for a Ukrainian bomber and went SAM on it!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/07/malaysian-air-lines-passenger-jet-crashes-in-ukraine/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/07/malaysian-air-lines-passenger-jet-crashes-in-ukraine/)

Mongrel Putin-lovers at ZeroHedge waste no time blaming Ukraine and throwing every accusation in the book at them from disliking kittens to ethnic cleansing (that ironically their Serbian pals did conduct back in the 'ol Balkan affair in the 90's)...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/russia-denies-downing-ukraine-warplane-accuses-ukraine-ethnic-cleansing-says-does-no (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/russia-denies-downing-ukraine-warplane-accuses-ukraine-ethnic-cleansing-says-does-no)

Yeah...

Ukraine - Propaganda / Russia - f**king Gospel, bitchez!

Better wipe the Putin off your chins, clowns!

Debris - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/first-photo-emerges-malaysian-airlines-plane-wreckage (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/first-photo-emerges-malaysian-airlines-plane-wreckage)

Jeez...if this is indeed an accurate flight path...the jet flew over most of Ukraine and was entering Russian territorywhen it went down...and still ZHers are sucking Rooskie butt and throwing terms like "false flag" around...to me it looks like somebody on the Pro-Russia side saw something big coming from Ukraine and thought "Hey, wouldn't it be swell to drop a big fat Ukrainian target with one of these cool new missiles Vlad gave us?!" and let fly.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/here-real-time-flight-path-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh-17 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/here-real-time-flight-path-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh-17)

Quote of the day at Small Dead Animals by Matt Gurney - "So in 2 days, two Ukrainian fighter jets have been hit by missiles. One Ukrainian transport plane destroyed by missile. Now a passenger jet."

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/ (http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/)

Yup.  Just a coincidence...

Vlad to invade in 3...2...1...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on July 17, 2014, 12:45:59 PM
Yeah the Infowars crowd are convinced this is the missing Malaysian Airlines 777 from a few months ago, and it was rigged with explosives to pin everything on noble Vlad.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Alphabet Soup on July 17, 2014, 12:48:14 PM
Yeah the Infowars crowd are convinced this is the missing Malaysian Airlines 777 from a few months ago, and it was rigged with explosives to pin everything on noble Vlad.

What, it's just been circling for the last four months?   ::)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on July 17, 2014, 01:04:57 PM
Yeah the Infowars crowd are convinced this is the missing Malaysian Airlines 777 from a few months ago, and it was rigged with explosives to pin everything on noble Vlad.

What, it's just been circling for the last four months?   ::)


Well the alien lizard-men from the Illuminati were probably using it to spray chemtrails these past 4 months, while waiting for this opportunity to surreptitiously sneak it onto a scheduled international flight from one of the world's major airports in Amsterdam.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: ToddF on July 17, 2014, 01:20:49 PM
Finally got the President on record, today.  From Jonathan Karl, of ABC News

"On the record so far from the President today: "I'm starving" - as he ordered a 4oz cheeseburger at The Charcoal Pit in Delaware".

"More Obama at The Charcoal Pit: “Me and Joe, we share shakes all the time".

 ::upsidedownflag::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on July 17, 2014, 01:23:21 PM
Finally got the President on record, today.  From Jonathan Karl, of ABC News

"On the record so far from the President today: "I'm starving" - as he ordered a 4oz cheeseburger at The Charcoal Pit in Delaware".

"More Obama at The Charcoal Pit: “Me and Joe, we share shakes all the time".

 ::upsidedownflag::


Unfortunately, he was referring to the men's room.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 17, 2014, 02:11:52 PM
Yeah the Infowars crowd are convinced this is the missing Malaysian Airlines 777 from a few months ago, and it was rigged with explosives to pin everything on noble Vlad.

What, it's just been circling for the last four months?   ::)


Well the alien lizard-men from the Illuminati were probably using it to spray chemtrails these past 4 months, while waiting for this opportunity to surreptitiously sneak it onto a scheduled international flight from one of the world's major airports in Amsterdam.

Heh.  I think I like this story better than the Barry/Joe shake-out!   ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on July 17, 2014, 03:40:19 PM
Yeah the Infowars crowd are convinced this is the missing Malaysian Airlines 777 from a few months ago, and it was rigged with explosives to pin everything on noble Vlad.

What, it's just been circling for the last four months?   ::)

  Great fuel economy huh?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: benb61 on July 17, 2014, 04:45:54 PM
Yeah the Infowars crowd are convinced this is the missing Malaysian Airlines 777 from a few months ago, and it was rigged with explosives to pin everything on noble Vlad.

What, it's just been circling for the last four months?   ::)

  Great fuel economy huh?

Those planes do have incredible range.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 19, 2014, 10:47:15 PM
This whole airline thing is a mess!  The reports indicate the site is so corrupted that an veteran investigation team will have huge gaps in their report, it is likely the black boxes are tampered or destroyed, and it seems obvious that only a properly trained crew could operate this kind of missile battery.  In a he said/she said tiff...sans hard proof Vlad holds the upper hand, and the murder of 300 people goes unanswered and nobody is held accountable... and the family and friends of the victims are hosed over nine ways to Sunday!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on July 20, 2014, 12:25:41 AM
And get a load of Vlad's incredibly cynical way of blaming Ukraine: "it is the responsibility of the state which controls the territory". Well uh, yeah, that's just the point though isn't it? The Ukrainian government doesn't control that territory, precisely because of Vlad supplying sophisticated weapons to the rebels. Precisely the sort of sophisticated weapons that shot down the aircraft.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 21, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
I know the anecdotal and circumstanstial evidence of Russian culpability must be increasing, and that combined with the Soviet talking points Vlad is reverting to must be taking their toll because the tone coming from the ZH Russophiles (aka Tyler's) are taking on a wait-and-see/we-need-more-facts flavor than the red-faced defense of all things Vlad we usually get, although many of the Russophile posters there suck at hiding their stripes.  There is no way this launch system was handled by non-Russian trained personnel, period.  Seeing as how Russia just loves putting weapon systems in the hands of any crazy bastard with cash can it not be karma biting their ass when somebody does something bad with it and it is right in their back yard?!  Hilarious how when this started Vlad acted like it was Russian manifest destiny at play and he gleefully told outsiders to butt out, now when 300 people get snuffed in his back yard suddenly it isn't his back yard!

Classic two-faced Soviet-trained KGB doublespeak crapola!

And to those Vlad-worshipping ass-clowns at ZH or anywhere else...if this is a false flag launched by the West (laughable, given everything else they do is a monumental clusterf**k of gargantuan proportions!) then it is the most brilliant set up in the last half century!

And as for brain-dead 'ol Fineswine (http://www.nationaljournal.com/defense/sen-feinstein-the-u-s-is-now-at-cold-war-levels-with-russia-20140720)...you ignorant twit!  You need someone on the other side of Russia to be a man before one could be expected to man up and face Vlad the Nation-Inhaler!  And right now that chronic-chugging Halfrican He-She in the White House ain't it, so forget cold, luke-warm or hot wars...not with this mental-gimp you call your President!!!

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 21, 2014, 12:21:20 PM
On Cue, fellow BRICmate China scolds West for picking on poor Vladi and the much-maligned Rooskies...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/china-blasts-one-sided-western-rush-judge-russia-over-mh17 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/china-blasts-one-sided-western-rush-judge-russia-over-mh17)

Blah, blah, blah...commies covering for commies, yadda yadda yadda... 

Malaysia says handoff of black boxes to occur today 9pm local time from rebel leaders...

Wow, the rebels have their own authorities and the whole nine yards?  They got embassies and sh*t too?  Hey, I wonder if any pals in Russia fooled around with those boxes before the hand off?  I mean, wtf is there to negotiate when the fate of 300 innocents and their remains and the relatives wishes are at stake, I mean they need a note signed by Vlad or something to access the area?  I thought Vlad said he and his partisans have no control or authority there?  Once again responsibility and accountablity shift with the wind with these pricks!

Maybe the black boxes will be about as usefull as this bullsh*t the ZHers got a jones over - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/russia-says-has-photos-ukraine-deploying-buk-missiles-east-rader-proof-warplanes-mh1 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/russia-says-has-photos-ukraine-deploying-buk-missiles-east-rader-proof-warplanes-mh1)

Is this a case of passing the BUK?

What the BUK is going on here?!

I contend that Putin's Russia is best understood through the Soviet prism, this asshole reeks of old school skullduggery and underhandedness!!!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 22, 2014, 07:23:02 AM
Hilarious!

This is one of those Ron Paul ramblings that earn him the ridicule he deserves as a moonbat (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/ron-paul-what-press-isnt-reporting-about-mh17-disaster)!

Seriously, whip a bunch of stuff out there, slant the editorializing and then challenge your detractors to prove your crap wrong.  Yeah, OK.

The opposite can be levelled to, asswipe!  Prove it could not have been Russia!  Prove it could not have been Russian-supplied rebels in Ukraine!  Prove Vlad knew nothing about it!  Give us more than pretty charts, pics of unknown origin and date and clever animations coupled with Putin talking points that employ these same Ron Paul School of Negative Debate Skills (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/russia-says-has-photos-ukraine-deploying-buk-missiles-east-rader-proof-warplanes-mh1)!

And about those Putin talking points (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-22/putin-speaks-will-respond-adequately-ongoing-nato-buildup-wont-tighten-screws-respon) that only get ZHer's and other Russophioles sexually aroused...don't they sound an awful lot like the same defiant stuff that comes out of every tin-pot dictator (Saddam, Noreiga, etc) right before the go down in flames?  Yeah, IIRC I think the ZHer's got off on standing up for those clowns too...and are also pro-Pali since they hate the Jew too...

Crawl back under your rock Ron....
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 23, 2014, 07:18:57 AM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/23/exclusive-ukraine-asked-u-s-for-tech-to-counter-russia-s-jet-killers.html# (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/23/exclusive-ukraine-asked-u-s-for-tech-to-counter-russia-s-jet-killers.html#)

Interesting, would have been hard to just hand over technology like that and it appears nobody was interested in manning a system for them...so, its just a back-story item...

More bits...

Ukraine calls to have rebels designated "terrorists". 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-22/poroshenko-demands-ukraine-separatists-be-declared-terrorists-under-international-la (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-22/poroshenko-demands-ukraine-separatists-be-declared-terrorists-under-international-la)

Makes sense, but the Euro's love appeasing 7th century savages and especially Pali's, so I doubt white folk on white folk violence will elicit much action on their part...

Word from the US is the rebels did it but see no direct link to Russia...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-22/us-state-department-confident-mh17-mistakenly-downed-separatists-finds-no-direct-lin (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-22/us-state-department-confident-mh17-mistakenly-downed-separatists-finds-no-direct-lin)

Could be BS, could be right, either way they ar trying to give Putin a crack to slip into and extricate himself from, but if that is the play it won't work on Commrade Vlad, he knows America is weak and led by the biggest chump on the planet, so, stupid play to make, just shows more weakness...

Rebels shoot down 2 more Ukrainian jets...can't be BUK missiles, obviously only Ukraine shoots planes out of the sky...airliners for propaganda purposes blaming the rebels and their own pilots and jets for the same purpose I guess...ZHers are gleeful that more Ukrainians are dead...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-23/rebels-shoot-down-two-ukraine-fighter-jets-defense-ministry-reports (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-23/rebels-shoot-down-two-ukraine-fighter-jets-defense-ministry-reports)

You really have to be effed up in the head beyond all recognition to buy some of the crap people believe...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on July 23, 2014, 03:23:21 PM
H/T Grouchies:


(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/p240x240/10460779_899219806761220_9051657647293763253_n.jpg?oh=daf3367395918398b42540ef9caf3427&oe=543EF5CE&__gda__=1414428456_11a2fe1f6ffe618b85d21204b046a38b)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 24, 2014, 07:06:27 AM
Funny because it is true.

But the rest of the story would be: "But once Vlad gets up, the whuppin' he puts on that bi-clown will make Obama miss being the object of the Thursday Night Sex Parties thrown by his muzzie pals in Indonesia as a youth"!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 31, 2014, 07:50:46 AM
Don't like this plan, it is tilted heavily Russia's direction, basically a sellout for energy...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/land-for-gas-secret-german-deal-could-end-ukraine-crisis-9638764.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/land-for-gas-secret-german-deal-could-end-ukraine-crisis-9638764.html)

...the downed airliner put things on hold, I hope that time can be used to take things like recognizing territorial theft and such can be removed, else I see little chance of this conflict ending...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 05, 2014, 07:26:35 AM
Build up has to be taken seriously...with Vlad's track record a full blown incursion into Ukraine is not out of the question...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/05/world/europe/buildup-makes-russia-battle-ready-for-ukraine.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/05/world/europe/buildup-makes-russia-battle-ready-for-ukraine.html?_r=0)

Armor, artillery & SAM bateries are key, watching activity at their air bases is going to be a red flare...


ETA - Evil Empire repsonds to the West's sanctions...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-05/russia-plans-airspace-blockade-european-flyovers-sanctions-retaliation (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-05/russia-plans-airspace-blockade-european-flyovers-sanctions-retaliation)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-05/putin-orders-preparation-retaliatory-sanctions (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-05/putin-orders-preparation-retaliatory-sanctions)

Wow, denied the pleasure of flying over Mongrel-land and they come all the way out of the closet in dealing with completely insane Islamic terror states?  Wow, something different for Russia.  Wait, no it isn't!

 ::)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 07, 2014, 09:17:02 AM
Russian "Peacekeepers"?!

 ::hysterical::

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-06/russian-defense-minister-tells-troops-be-state-constant-battle-readiness (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-06/russian-defense-minister-tells-troops-be-state-constant-battle-readiness)

Shoot the vandals on sight!!!

 ::machinegun::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 11, 2014, 01:48:10 PM
The Russians are Coming (Again)!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-11/putin-defies-western-warning-will-send-aid-convoy-east-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-11/putin-defies-western-warning-will-send-aid-convoy-east-ukraine)

"Aid" convoy...

Yeah, sure...everybody should call invaders that!   ::)

Interesting the hoodwinked the Red Cross to come along, nothing a like innocent fodder to march behind to protect your own and make PR waves if any get killed!  A little trick they learned from helping out every scumbag raghead regime that has ever existed!  Russians are no better than pale-skinned Pali's!

Do the IDF thing, Ukraine, drop leaflets telling the Red Cross fools to haul ass, because bullets and bombs are coming any minute for Vlad and his Stormtroopers!

 ::effu::

 ::machinegun::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 12, 2014, 07:53:49 AM
Russian convoy halted by Ukraine.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-12/ukraine-blocks-russian-humanitarian-convoy-accuses-kremlin-sending-disguised-militar (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-12/ukraine-blocks-russian-humanitarian-convoy-accuses-kremlin-sending-disguised-militar)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 15, 2014, 07:48:17 AM
Russian incursion has reportedly begun...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-14/putin-punks-west-again-guardian-reports-russian-troops-enter-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-14/putin-punks-west-again-guardian-reports-russian-troops-enter-ukraine)

Flow of arms and munitions...NATO issues statement akin to an angry letter but does nothing...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-15/nato-accuses-russia-escalating-conflict-even-it-calls-de-escalation. (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-15/nato-accuses-russia-escalating-conflict-even-it-calls-de-escalation.)

...it appears that "aid" convoy was a decoy to cover the real incursion.

War, uhh, ...we'll see what it's good for...

Ukraine says it has stopped some of the incursion...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-15/ukraine-says-it-destroyed-part-of-armed-vehicles-from-russia.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-15/ukraine-says-it-destroyed-part-of-armed-vehicles-from-russia.html)

The response by the West is pathetic...and if the US was serious (I know it is a stretch given Bungling Barry's record) they would have already acted by ordering the Command Ship Mount Whitney from Theoule-sur-Mer to the Black Sea with whatever other US and allied ships are in the area and spin up the Amphib Iwo Jima and Carrier Roosevelt at Norfolk and send them to the Sixth Fleet...

But as far as I can tell Barry is only spinning Reggie up...

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 22, 2014, 04:55:58 PM
Russian invasion is showing just how weak the West is, how useless NATO is and how screwed Ukraine is.  Other nations in the region are screwed too, they will be forced to make the best of a rotten deal with Russia or suffer the same result.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 26, 2014, 07:21:38 AM
Humanitarian Aid Convoy...with Tanks...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russian-forces-cross-border-in-tanks-armored-vehicles/2014/08/25/8cb7d1d4-2c3f-11e4-994d-202962a9150c_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russian-forces-cross-border-in-tanks-armored-vehicles/2014/08/25/8cb7d1d4-2c3f-11e4-994d-202962a9150c_story.html)

Yeah...Uhh huh...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 02, 2014, 07:11:19 AM
Wow, ZeroHedge had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find these clowns...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-01/ex-nsa-director-us-intelligence-veterans-write-open-letter-merkel-avoid-all-out-ukra (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-01/ex-nsa-director-us-intelligence-veterans-write-open-letter-merkel-avoid-all-out-ukra)

If you look up info on these people most seem to be left-leaning Libertarians and disgruntled Dems, that most are critics of Bush is not in itself all bad (Lord knows the NSA wasn't exactly idle under Bush and we got the Patriot Act and NDAA acts to prove it) but the criticism of waterboarding, aligning with Code Pink and DemocracyNow and ilk like that, OK, come on, now...and guys who think a cabal of conservatives is running a shadow government...clowns who think Israel is the problem not batshyt nuts islaminals...people who actively took part in Gaza flotillas...oh and our Minnestupid girl Rowley who excelled at pissing off veterans and ran an add that compared (a relatively moderate Conservative Republican) John Kline to Col.Klink!

Yeah, try again ZH clowns, find some more loony-toons to trumpet your virulent Russophile point of view!!!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 02, 2014, 11:54:08 AM
Kremlin foreign-policy aide Yuri Ushakov said Russia hadn’t sent troops to Ukraine and sought to calm nerves over comments attributed to Putin in a report yesterday in La Repubblica. Putin told European Commission President Jose Barroso that: “If I want, I could take Kiev in two weeks,” according to the Italian newspaper, which didn’t identify a source for the information.

The remarks were taken out of context, Ushakov told reporters today in Moscow, saying that the disclosure of details from the conversation is undiplomatic and “unworthy of a serious political player.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-02/russia-says-u-s-europe-incite-party-of-war-in-ukraine.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-02/russia-says-u-s-europe-incite-party-of-war-in-ukraine.html)

 ::hysterical::

"...serious political player"!  Yeah, out of context...  How so?  Oh, you don't get into that part of it, too busy evacuating vodka by-product on others...

Stupid mongrel...

Invade, I dare ya, would be the best thing for the Baltics to learn, they ought to go the Iran route and build an illegal nuke program if they wat to stay independent!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 05, 2014, 11:40:50 AM
Warms my heart to see this!   ::grouphug::

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/grandfathers-school-teachers-steel-workers-women-take-up-arms-to-repel-pro-russian-rebels/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/grandfathers-school-teachers-steel-workers-women-take-up-arms-to-repel-pro-russian-rebels/)

If only we would react the same way to statists in our midst...   :'(
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 08, 2014, 06:44:38 AM
I guess the hardcore Russophiles at ZeroHedge are arguing that might makes right...so trying to punish your supplier is just stupid I guess, no matter what they might do...your the bitch, get used to it...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-07/europe-goes-all-will-sanction-rosneft-gazprom-neft-and-transneft (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-07/europe-goes-all-will-sanction-rosneft-gazprom-neft-and-transneft)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 09, 2014, 08:47:32 AM
Rabid Russophiles at ZeroHedge are dead certain a Ukrainian Su-25 shot down MH17, because, well, Russian data says so!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-09/mh17-was-struck-multiple-high-energy-objects-outside-aircraft-crash-report-reveals (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-09/mh17-was-struck-multiple-high-energy-objects-outside-aircraft-crash-report-reveals)

I note how they make this bold statement - "No evidence or indications of manipulation of the recorders were found."

And then go on to display this piece of the ATC transscript -

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/09/ATC%20transcript_0.jpg)

Which offers no indication by any party on the ground or from MH17 that there were any Ukrainian military jets in the area...just the ironclad info via Mother Russia which could never ever in a million years be doctored.

And I guess in those empty 4 seconds between last contact and no contact the Russophiles are disappointed the stupid Malaysians didn't blurt out "Ukraine Su-25 at 1 O'clock!" before the Russian Buk missile slammed into their fuselage!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 10, 2014, 07:36:15 AM
Gas cuts starting...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-10/russian-retaliation-begins-gazprom-limiting-eu-gas-cuts-poland-supplies-20-past-two- (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-10/russian-retaliation-begins-gazprom-limiting-eu-gas-cuts-poland-supplies-20-past-two-)

Hey, remember what happened when FDR cut off oil to Japan?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 17, 2014, 07:39:51 AM
This piece at ZH is actually kind of funny to read...you can just hear and feel the wailing and angst that both Russophiles and Rooskies experienced when they learned NATO actually practiced a little Rooskie-like deception and snuck arms and munititions to their pals in Ukraine right under Rooskie noses and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-16/washingtons-bait-and-switch-nato-armed-kiev-under-cover-ceasefire (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-16/washingtons-bait-and-switch-nato-armed-kiev-under-cover-ceasefire)

Yeah, I feel your pain...yet I find it hilarious and ironic!   ::evilbat::

Sucks when totalitarians get Melvin'd, eh?   ;D
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 18, 2014, 07:58:42 AM
Yeah, uhh huh..."in repsonse" my arse!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-17/russia-deploy-full-scale-military-unit-crimea (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-17/russia-deploy-full-scale-military-unit-crimea)

I guess the Rooskies and their cheerleaders think most people are stupid enough to think that after illegally seizing the Crimea that the Russian's wouldn't militarize the acquisition...

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 18, 2014, 11:34:35 AM
Russians beating the crap out of journalists...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/bbc-crew-badly-beaten-in-southern-russia/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/bbc-crew-badly-beaten-in-southern-russia/)

...OK, now that is a fad that could catch on fire here too...but in this case, well...

...maybe we'll hear stories on ZeroHedge how these clowns had it coming?!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 26, 2014, 11:36:26 AM
Looks like the Euro's blinked on the gas front to me...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-26/russia-ukraine-reach-preliminary-agreement-on-interim-gas-price.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-26/russia-ukraine-reach-preliminary-agreement-on-interim-gas-price.html)

Now, back to the illegal seizure of land!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 16, 2014, 07:35:40 AM
Could Vlad be losing it?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-15/putin-warns-nuclear-power-consequences-if-attempts-blackmail-russia-dont-stop (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-15/putin-warns-nuclear-power-consequences-if-attempts-blackmail-russia-dont-stop)

See?  He cannot help but revert to his Soviet roots, to him the Soviet Regime holds an allure he cannot let go of, the sweet taste of power and being a key cog in the KGB had to be like heaven for such a man!

Surely, this has to come as a shock to the hardcore Russophiles at ZeroHedge, that their hero, their idol, their paragon of virtue...the ultimate Strong Man in a world gone mad...is cracking under what I thought were pointless, futile and meaningless sanctions by the US & EU...but if Vlad is going back to his Soviet persona so quickly...perhaps the pain in the PetroRuble is starting to get the other Oligarch's restless and they are prodding him to do something?!

This is going to have to be watched very closely!  Obama is just stupid enough to tease too much and have his arm ripped off...

 ::saywhat::

 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 17, 2014, 07:17:49 AM
Russia trying to re-extend its military presence...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/16/russia-bolsters-military-presence-former-soviet-states (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/16/russia-bolsters-military-presence-former-soviet-states)

...but it will never fully recover its former Soviet size...

...and lets see how far back this renovation project gets pushed with the PetroRuble being beaten to a pulp.

And since it is their policy to cozy up to the Islaminal partner they see as being the sole surviving Musloid power once all the slaughtering is done (once the House of Saud falls, they'll all be killing each other to claim the spoils!)...no wonder they have been providing them with nuclear technology and material, weapons and the like.

But pardon me if I don't get jazzed up over a naval exercise in a land-locked pond (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAN_RUSSIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-10-16-16-46-09)...and use of the word fleet to describe two ships?  I've seen bigger fleets on local lakes!

Anyway...after all these years I still cannot figure out how Russia plans to survive with a Persian Caliphate dominating Central Asia and the Middle East?  I guess they figure to be sweethearts-4-ever!

Stupid mongrels!

More evidence not all is sunshine and roses in Russia...

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20141013.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20141013.aspx)

...maybe more pics of a shirtless Vlad strutting around will fix things?   ::hysterical::

Anyway, and I find this little telling bit of news to be interesting...

"There have been some interesting encounters between these volunteers and highly trained Russian troops.. During one of the incidents highly trained Omega (spetsnaz) commandos who were hiding, along with some local rebels, behind their BTR armored vehicles as they had been trained to do. But then the Ukrainian volunteers simply rushed furiously at the enemy and succeeded in capturing the rebels. The rebels, including some regular Russian soldiers, were confused about what these Ukrainians were doing and before they could open fire they were surrounded and captured, with a few of them wounded. This was one of the first battles involving the 1st Reserve Battalion."

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htworld/articles/20141016.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htworld/articles/20141016.aspx)

Heh, Russia committing their best and most experienced, and their Spetsnaz, and get handled like this?  Wow.  And they are having a hard time telling widows and orphans where/why their father is dead?  Yeah, that's a shame.  Just think, if we can get better anti-armor weapons to these guys, they'd have another Afghanistan on their hands, and maybe then they wouldn't be so upitty and power/territory mad!

(http://tpc.pc2.netdna-cdn.com/images/Back-from-the-Dead-600.jpg)

H/T - http://www.thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/back-from-the-dead-the-return-of-the-evil-empire-t14745.html (http://www.thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/back-from-the-dead-the-return-of-the-evil-empire-t14745.html)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 21, 2014, 11:59:52 AM
Not a bad read...

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/10/vladimir-putins-coup-112025.html (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/10/vladimir-putins-coup-112025.html)

...but I dispute how toothless the Oligarchs are, Putin still needs many of them to survive and alienating the West means he'll have to rely even more on those inside the nation.

Still, I wouldn't mind if Putin suffers the demise most every single despot enjoys in the end...

And then the fight for the power can render them asunder for all I care...they are about as interested in peaceful coexistence as the bloody Islaminals!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on October 21, 2014, 07:08:39 PM
  If oil prices keep dropping Russia will fold.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 22, 2014, 07:10:29 AM
It's why the Chi-Com's trotted out a bullshyt report yesterday announcing their growth rate above exepectations...

...it was all designed to halt the bleeding for their Rooskie pals...

...and it worked...sweet crude refrained from dropping below 80 and is now settled in the mid-82 range.

By the time reality is revealed, they are hoping something else has picked up the slack in demand.

Just in the past year and a half the PetroRouble has declined against the heavily diluted Dollar 30%.

The Russian's can't afford the oil to drop any further, they begged their Chi-Com pals for help, they got it, and now we'll find out in the months to come if there are additional strings attached.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 03, 2014, 08:44:35 AM
Rooskie votes in captured lands and nuclear missile tests, just swell.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-03/russia-conducts-full-nuclear-triad-preparedness-test-launches-topol-m-icbm-over-week (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-03/russia-conducts-full-nuclear-triad-preparedness-test-launches-topol-m-icbm-over-week)

It's looking pre-1929-ish economic-wise and now this makes it all look pre-WWII geopolitical-wise.

Ain't it great to be alive right now?  What's gonna kill is all first, eh?  Take your pick!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 07, 2014, 11:18:21 AM
Sperm Donor, er, Vlad the Nation Inhaler...SEND IN THE ARMORED UNITS!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/tank-column-crosses-russia-ukraine-kiev-military-115026097.html (http://news.yahoo.com/tank-column-crosses-russia-ukraine-kiev-military-115026097.html)

Meanwhile, Sperm Lovers, er ZeroHedge Russophiles, are strangley quiet...but they are in the odd position of cheering against their Peak Oil! mantra long enough to blame the crashing BRIC currencies on that rascally old PetroDollar (and conveniently ignoring the PetroRuble exists too!)...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-07/petrodollar-dominoes-how-strong-dollar-slamming-oil-exporters-and-other-brics (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-07/petrodollar-dominoes-how-strong-dollar-slamming-oil-exporters-and-other-brics)

Whatever.  I like cheap oil, I like that it hurts the megalomoniacal Rooskies and the rest of the BRICs as a side benefit.

War, I guess ZHers get off on it, when it is led by their Dear Leader!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 15, 2014, 10:34:27 AM
Holy Crap!  Y'all got to read these two articles!  Cameron and Abbott really go after Vlad and mock him openly!  ETA - Canada's Harper too, didn't mean to leave him out!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11232995/Vladimir-Putin-to-leave-G20-early-after-tense-meeting-with-David-Cameron.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11232995/Vladimir-Putin-to-leave-G20-early-after-tense-meeting-with-David-Cameron.html)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/g20-summit-enter-putin-accompanied-by-four-warships-to-the-sound-of-mockery-9862465.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/g20-summit-enter-putin-accompanied-by-four-warships-to-the-sound-of-mockery-9862465.html)

This confrontation over Ukraine is really a proxy for the West in that it just brought to a head all the crap Russia has been pulling over the years, and Vlad cannot be ignorant that Russia is about to be frozen out and left to its ChiCom and other BRIC buddies, and it puts into fresh perspective their gold hoardings.  I think this thing is far from over and could get nastier.  Man, if we only had a real man for a leader!

(http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9862654.ece/alternates/w620/Putin-2.jpg)

I've never seen Vlad and the Rooskies look so uncomfortable, not since the fall of the Soviet Empire anyway.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Alphabet Soup on November 15, 2014, 12:07:28 PM
From the first link:

Quote
Stephen Harper, the Canadian Prime Minister, told Mr Putin: "I guess I'll shake your hand, but I'll only have one thing to say to you - get out of the Ukraine."

I remember when we had leaders in America like this. Way to go Stephen!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 15, 2014, 03:10:00 PM
From the first link:

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Stephen Harper, the Canadian Prime Minister, told Mr Putin: "I guess I'll shake your hand, but I'll only have one thing to say to you - get out of the Ukraine."

I remember when we had leaders in America like this. Way to go Stephen!

Indeed, well done!   ::clapping::

And thanks for the catch, I didn't mean to slight Canada, so I edited my first post.   ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 18, 2014, 08:48:46 AM
Wow.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-18/kissinger-warns-we-need-new-world-order-ukraine-should-forget-crimea-nato (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-18/kissinger-warns-we-need-new-world-order-ukraine-should-forget-crimea-nato)

How effed up are ZHer's when they can trot out Kissinger and hold him up as a person worth listening too when just about everything else he's stood for has been vilified by ZHer's? 

I think this says more about the desperation of hardcore PaulBots to regain some pro-Russia traction than it does about anything appraching the soundness of Kissinger's thinking on this subject!!!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 02, 2014, 07:39:42 AM
OK, I only see this as illsutrating one consistent fact, well two facts if you count my continued criticism of ZeroHead's Russophilia...

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/08/20140818_southstream_0.png)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-01/putin-kills-south-stream-pipeline-will-build-new-massive-pipeline-turkey-instead (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-01/putin-kills-south-stream-pipeline-will-build-new-massive-pipeline-turkey-instead)

First, Vlad didn't seem too eager to use the South Stream once he invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea, it was necessitated once he pissed off Ukraine, but now, he's pissed off all of Europe, despite their oft stated desire to be pals with Europe: (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-01/tensions-between-us-russia-are-worse-you-realize-%E2%80%93-foreign-minister-sergey-lavrov) "There is no doubt that the European Union is our largest collective partner. No one intends to “shoot himself in the foot” by renouncing cooperation with Europe, although it is now clear that business as usual is no longer an option. This is what our European partners are telling us, but neither do we want to operate the old way. They believed that Russia owed them something, while we want to be on an equal footing. For this reason, things will never be the same again. That said, I’m confident that we will be able to overcome this period, lessons will be learned and a new foundation for our relations will emerge." - Ivy League Buttpuppets ZeroHeaders typically denounce.

Yeah, stiffing economic partners, rewarding more moonbat regimes like Erdogan's Turkey...yeah, good luck with that.  All this is guaranteeing is war!

"The similarities to the period just before WWI are indeed striking, as Niall Ferguson noted in an excellent Op-Ed in August."

Yeah, and Russia is palying the role of the Hun this go around!

And, because I almost forgot...kinda makes this retarded decision by O'Bongo (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=4879.msg53867#msg53867) look even worse, just think of the nice toys we could deploy around the mongrels using these islands?

Anway, the whole Russian hope is to drive a wedge between Europe and the US, that way the Rooskies can have economic and therefore political and military hegemony over the entire region, but Vlad the Nation-Inhaler screwed all that up by invading Ukraine and seizing Crimea, he drove the Euro's right back into the hands of the US!  And right at a time when they were pissed at the US!  The Spying, the Snowden disclosures, the growing unpopularity of supporting missions in Afghanistan and Iraq, economic squabbles...the stupid Russians porked themselves with their lustful longings for Ukraine territory!  And now they and their ass-kissing Russophiles are blaming the West for their own stupidity and blame them for driving them into the hands of moonbats like Turkey, Iran and the BRICs!

Whatever, revel in your stupidity!  The Russians are driving everyone to war, and war will come one way or another.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on December 02, 2014, 02:11:42 PM
If the Euros are bristling at having to be back in America's camp, a situation required by Russian belligerence, then they have only themselves to blame. They could develop some semblance of military independence instead of outsourcing it all to us. But they made the decision to let the American taxpayer bear the costs of their defense so that they could instead put that money into their nanny state welfare programs.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 03, 2014, 07:14:30 AM
If the Euros are bristling at having to be back in America's camp, a situation required by Russian belligerence, then they have only themselves to blame. They could develop some semblance of military independence instead of outsourcing it all to us. But they made the decision to let the American taxpayer bear the costs of their defense so that they could instead put that money into their nanny state welfare programs.

You got that right!  And I think the bloody Russians would be easier to tame if they would take a more enegetic role in their own defense, because then the Russians would have a unified Europe and an independent America trying to broker amity to contend with and driving a wedge between the Euros and US would be a lot harder if the Euros were the ones doing the heavy lifting because they would be there, on Russia's borders and no American boogeyman to taunt.

Oh well, somebody should have put an American expiration date on NATO, not a hard date per se, but a step up by this decade or bite me!

Hindsight...it comes from the hind end! 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 04, 2014, 07:22:03 AM
Wow, what a stunning load of shyt!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-04/putin-offers-full-amnesty-money-repatriation-threatens-crackdown-against-fx-speculat (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-04/putin-offers-full-amnesty-money-repatriation-threatens-crackdown-against-fx-speculat)

Anybody tempted into beleiving or trusting this clown one iota should do everyone else a favor and just blow their brains out!

It would be comparable to trusting Obama!   ::speechless::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 16, 2014, 02:51:18 PM
OK, here we go.  In light of the recent War over the Ruble (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=12472.msg139180;topicseen#msg139180) it seems a little known (I heard of no discussion on it in the Me-Di-Uhh) provision in Cromnibus that penalizes Russia some more (targeting the oil industry) and on its face seems ominous enough (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-16/obama-sign-lethal-us-aid-ukraine-end-week-russian-response-follow) but when you read the actual Senate bill (http://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/2828) it reserves the harsher sancitons on oil & gas industry and the ominously portrayed "lethal support" to Ukraine only if economic coercion (refusal of gas service) is exerted by Russia.  So, it all seems nefarious, but in reality it is a prudent attempt to moderate Russian activity in the region.  You will note there is nothing in there to declare a new strategic goal on the ground there - no expulsion of Russia for annexed territory, merely a maintenance of the status quo while each side consolidates.

Sadly though, much like pre-war America under the idiot FDR, strong men with a poor opinion of America, its people and especially its leader...will not act reasonably so an inexorable lurch towards war could be approaching, and like the idiots in FDR's regime who gutted the military and allowed enemies to grow stronger...this time around that stupid sh*t will not go unpunished and the results are likely to be more horrific and disasterous.

Helping Ukraine and her sister neighbors is the right thing to do, but making it an American-led effort instead of a European-led effort and having the useless dreck we have in this Regime is not the recipe for success!

 ::pullhair::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 18, 2014, 11:50:14 AM
It is very likely that Vlad the Nation Inhaler...

...this is a good pic of him...

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Rooskies/Putin_Ukraine_Cocaine_zps516de61e.jpg)

...is insane, like Persian-Mahdi-Nuke kind of insane...


“It’s not payback for Crimea. It’s the cost of our natural desire to preserve Russia as a nation, a civilization and a state,” Putin said.
 
The president said that even if “the Russian bear” started “sitting tight… and eating berries and honey,” this would not stop pressure being applied against the country.
 
“They won’t leave us alone. They will always seek to chain us. And once we are chain, they’ll rip out our teeth and claws. Our nuclear deterrence, speaking in present-day terms,” Putin said.
 
“As soon as this [chaining the bear] happens, nobody will need it anymore. They’ll stuff it. And start to put their hands on his Taiga [Siberian forest belt] after it. We’ve heard statements from Western officials that Russia’s owning Siberia was not fair,” he exclaimed.
 
“Stealing Texas from Mexico – was that fair? And us having control over our own land is not fair. We should hand it out!”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12/vladimir-putin-the-west-wants-to-chain-russian-bear-pull-its-teeth-and-stuff-it-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12/vladimir-putin-the-west-wants-to-chain-russian-bear-pull-its-teeth-and-stuff-it-video/)

Wow.  This fvcking nutbar is way off the reservation...even if this is little better than red-meat propaganda for his brain-dead citizens...there has to be some kernel of personal beliefs in this blather, and to think this crazy little ex-KGB assclown has nukes and sh*t ought to make people piss their pants!

Hey, Vlad?  You are insane.  I've heard rants like this from the likes of such stellar humans as Pol Pot, Slobodan Milesovic and Adolph Hitler...so it appears you are just as batsh*t fvcking insane as those assclowns!  What do you say to that?  What do you say to people who see your aggression in Estonia, Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine...see your murdering of opposition members like Litvenenko in London and reporter Anna Politkovskaya...see you using Gazprom as a weapon against Europe like some sort of power-mad Czar or demented General Secretary?

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Rooskies/vladimir-putin-laughing_zpsr3kumq02.gif)

Yeah, laugh it up you little psycho...chances are once you render your nation into ruins your own people will give you the Mussolini treatment!!!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on December 18, 2014, 12:53:27 PM
I was born during the Carter administration, so I have no memory of it, but I always hear Rush and others talking about the country's national malaise, and how Reagan swept in and restored pride and confidence in ourselves. I definitely do remember the Reagan years.

Is this how it was in Carter's national malaise?  I think this must be worse even.  Because I certainly feel a malaise now.  It makes me angry that we are a weakening country, especially to know that it's an entirely deliberate weakening.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Alphabet Soup on December 18, 2014, 01:26:05 PM
I was born during the Carter administration, so I have no memory of it, but I always hear Rush and others talking about the country's national malaise, and how Reagan swept in and restored pride and confidence in ourselves. I definitely do remember the Reagan years.

Is this how it was in Carter's national malaise?  I think this must be worse even.  Because I certainly feel a malaise now.  It makes me angry that we are a weakening country, especially to know that it's an entirely deliberate weakening.

I remember the malaise. The difference (to me) is that I was a teen then and full of hope. In the intervening years I've had all of that foolishness beaten out of me. I think that I can relate (at least theoretically) to youngsters today who choose blissful ignorance over what is definitely a downer but IMO there are a lot more cynics these days compared to the carter years.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 18, 2014, 02:02:02 PM
The Carter years were the culmination of the first great decline of the America-the-way-it-used-to-be.  For many (including in my parents day) the highwater mark was the Eisenhower Administration, at that point American had never been more powerful.  Then with the youthful energetic JFK people thought (as did my parents) that a new era was beginning, that a new generation born out of depression and war and emerged victorious over both was about to usher in a new age of greatness, prosperity and enlightenment...

It was of course all a complete sham.  JFK won largely with Daddy's help, the dead voting in Chicago and JFK himself cheating (by taking notes) in the televised debate with Nixon that people listening thought Nixon won hands down but whom the TV age boobs gave JFK the win.  This marked the advent of a false prophet, and ideal that could not be met, a flawed leader who had the morals of a feral rabbit and relied upon family for advice over all others, a novice who was ill-prepared to met the Soviet menace and barely he (and we) survived it, and then he was unfairly struck down in the prime of life (another myth) and people began to be jaded about power and those in and around it.

Mid-JFK the Soviets scared the pants of us by launching the first satellite into space before our captured Nazi scientists managed to launch anything.  The era of duck-and-cover became more real and the proxy wars hotter.  And those latter were micromanged like nothing before and failure was already baked in and became just another item on the buffet of failure.  Then that complete fustercluck Johnson, tough-talking commie-killer by day and lunatic socialist welfare state expander extraordinaire by night.  Still, the American post-war economy hummed, we were still #1, despite being ruled by idiots and despite increasing societal rot (stinking hippies and proto-FemiNazis and eco-tards) and despite structural weakness in our economy and industry that would be exploited by Asia and other emerging economies.

Nixon brought a new pragmatism that had all Country Club proto-Ruling Class Pubbies giddy with possibilities, and his electoral thrashing of McGovern seemed to cement this power block into place...until Deep Throat and a ravenous press that had begun to swing wildly left got wind of a minor office break-in and that toppled a President for the first time in history based solely on his own character flaws.

The oil crisis, inflation, a nothing leader like Ford, malaise had fertile ground in 1976, and Carter ran as the not-Nixon/not-Ford candidate and America got a middle manager as POTUS who was a neophyte on foreign policy (and it showed, nothing higher than the abysmal Iranian Hostage affair and the disastrous rescue op) and a neophyte on economic issues (and it showed by a worsening economy, stagflation, unemployment, industry absolutely hammered by foreign competition who had no high labor union wages or burdensome government regulations or taxation) and malaise took on new meaning and Carter's face was the poster boy for it.  I was in the Navy at this time, morale was in the sh*tter, nobody felt optimistic about anything.  The Left did a great job advancing this, people being leveled into the same unhappy state should have been their Nirvana moment, but Carter was the Wong guy to exploit it. 

As a result Reagan swept in with simple clarity - government is the problem, government is too big, government takes and consumes too much, people need to be allowed to unleash their potential free of interference, etc.  He was the Anti-Carter, the Anti-Uncle Handout, and he kicked electoral ass, twice.  Nobody has approached his election numbers since. 

And the Democrats became harder left, harder socialists and the Pubbies returned to Ruling Class hands and its been back down the drain ever since.

Carter redefined malaise...now Obama is redefining the drain and breeds hatred and apathy like nothing ever before seen.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on December 18, 2014, 04:38:59 PM
Wow, Libertas; that's as good a summation as I've ever read.   ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on December 18, 2014, 07:45:39 PM
Yes, that was awesome.  We should sticky that :)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on December 18, 2014, 11:42:39 PM
I apologize; I have no idea how to sticky one post. so my advice (unless IDP steps in) is to copy and save for yourself. 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 19, 2014, 07:29:55 AM
I corrected all my spelling errors in the original, I just unloaded that like a sinner at confession, I didn't want to interrupt the flow.  I guess I did OK if folks liked it.  I place no reservation on the use of anything I post, if it benefits just one persons understanding that's good enough for me.

 ::hat-tip::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on December 19, 2014, 08:07:38 PM
The Carter years were the culmination of the first great decline of the America-the-way-it-used-to-be.  For many (including in my parents day) the highwater mark was the Eisenhower Administration, at that point American had never been more powerful.  Then with the youthful energetic JFK people thought (as did my parents) that a new era was beginning, that a new generation born out of depression and war and emerged victorious over both was about to usher in a new age of greatness, prosperity and enlightenment...

It was of course all a complete sham.  JFK won largely with Daddy's help, the dead voting in Chicago and JFK himself cheating (by taking notes) in the televised debate with Nixon that people listening thought Nixon won hands down but whom the TV age boobs gave JFK the win.  This marked the advent of a false prophet, and ideal that could not be met, a flawed leader who had the morals of a feral rabbit and relied upon family for advice over all others, a novice who was ill-prepared to met the Soviet menace and barely he (and we) survived it, and then he was unfairly struck down in the prime of life (another myth) and people began to be jaded about power and those in and around it.

Mid-JFK the Soviets scared the pants of us by launching the first satellite into space before our captured Nazi scientists managed to launch anything.  The era of duck-and-cover became more real and the proxy wars hotter.  And those latter were micromanged like nothing before and failure was already baked in and became just another item on the buffet of failure.  Then that complete fustercluck Johnson, tough-talking commie-killer by day and lunatic socialist welfare state expander extraordinaire by night.  Still, the American post-war economy hummed, we were still #1, despite being ruled by idiots and despite increasing societal rot (stinking hippies and proto-FemiNazis and eco-tards) and despite structural weakness in our economy and industry that would be exploited by Asia and other emerging economies.

Nixon brought a new pragmatism that had all Country Club proto-Ruling Class Pubbies giddy with possibilities, and his electoral thrashing of McGovern seemed to cement this power block into place...until Deep Throat and a ravenous press that had begun to swing wildly left got wind of a minor office break-in and that toppled a President for the first time in history based solely on his own character flaws.

The oil crisis, inflation, a nothing leader like Ford, malaise had fertile ground in 1976, and Carter ran as the not-Nixon/not-Ford candidate and America got a middle manager as POTUS who was a neophyte on foreign policy (and it showed, nothing higher than the abysmal Iranian Hostage affair and the disastrous rescue op) and a neophyte on economic issues (and it showed by a worsening economy, stagflation, unemployment, industry absolutely hammered by foreign competition who had no high labor union wages or burdensome government regulations or taxation) and malaise took on new meaning and Carter's face was the poster boy for it.  I was in the Navy at this time, morale was in the sh*tter, nobody felt optimistic about anything.  The Left did a great job advancing this, people being leveled into the same unhappy state should have been their Nirvana moment, but Carter was the Wong guy to exploit it. 

As a result Reagan swept in with simple clarity - government is the problem, government is too big, government takes and consumes too much, people need to be allowed to unleash their potential free of interference, etc.  He was the Anti-Carter, the Anti-Uncle Handout, and he kicked electoral ass, twice.  Nobody has approached his election numbers since. 

And the Democrats became harder left, harder socialists and the Pubbies returned to Ruling Class hands and its been back down the drain ever since.

Carter redefined malaise...now Obama is redefining the drain and breeds hatred and apathy like nothing ever before seen.


   ::clapping::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 30, 2014, 06:35:38 AM
Former KGB thug turned Russian political thug sure has been successful in shutting down opposition politicians and media, got that whole "hate America" thing recycled and in widespread use! (http://observer.com/2014/12/russians-rage-against-america/)

This is more than just sanctions, this is a classic Rooskie temper tantrum.  Usually the only time you see hate like this ginned up is as a prelude to war.

And Obama is anything but a hard target.  This shyt would have been laughed at and ridiculed by Ronaldus Magnus!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 13, 2015, 11:34:25 AM
Rooskies say their illegal unlawful and violent invasion and territorial theft in Ukraine is going poorly and they have to step up their posturing in the region to save face. (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-13/russia-increase-combat-capabilities-crimea-sees-ukraine-conflict-worsening)

Whatever.

Up yours, Vlad!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 15, 2015, 07:11:16 AM
A shot accross the EU bow...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-14/russia-cuts-ukraine-gas-supply-6-european-countries (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-14/russia-cuts-ukraine-gas-supply-6-european-countries)

...but will Czar Vlad carry through with the bluff if called and kick everyone in the groin?

This should be an EU affair only, but, too late, and O'Bongo will only eff things up worse.  This could get ugly.

And in more retaliation...Rooskie Oligarchs dumping pricey holding in America...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-14/russian-buyer-thing-past-oligarchs-rush-sell-us-real-estate (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-14/russian-buyer-thing-past-oligarchs-rush-sell-us-real-estate)

...which I am completely indifferent to...their Oligarch, our Oligarchs...who wins or loses the result is the same for all of us...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 16, 2015, 08:03:06 AM
Ukraine is calling, pot stakes are rising.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-15/ukraine-president-signs-mobilization-decree-50000-be-drafted (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-15/ukraine-president-signs-mobilization-decree-50000-be-drafted)

A not unexpected response to the Russian's cutting gas to the Southeastern EU states.

Vlad's move.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 09, 2015, 07:26:55 AM
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/leaders-scramble-avert-dramatic-spiral-ukraine-143455277--sector.html

Pathetic.

Merkel and Hollande go to Minsk and get zip, and why would they?  The EU looks weak, they are unwilling to support Ukraine with real arms and munitions, Obama is keeping arms and munitions out of it and is otherwise paralyzed to do anything...all Putin has to do is wait and watch...and meanwhile more die so Russia can steal more territory.  This is like Pre-WWII all over again, this time Putin has the Hitler role and Merkel has the Chamberlain role...and then there is Stmie who has no role because never has the US been led by one who loathes America as much as her enemies...

Embrace the horror...it will only increase...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 11, 2015, 07:39:01 AM
So much of this report is so much PaulBotish balderdash (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-10/how-russia-plans-retaliate-saudi-driven-collapse-oil), there is no way Putin stops supporting Syria, if for no other reason it pisses the West off and supports their arms exports.  And there is no way the threat to share sensitive tech with their Chi-Com buddies that would imperial US Naval forces in the Asiatic theater is close to genuine - they have already shared with them or have nothing to share with them they don't already have (since they've had the keys to the US patent office at least as far back as the Clinton Administration!) so that tidbit is pure BS!  The one thing I could buy the Rooskies doing is egging on their Iranian pals to stir sh*t up in the Gulf as a means to drive oil prices back up so they can give their hookers and distillers a break!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 11, 2015, 12:31:57 PM
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htproc/articles/20150209.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htproc/articles/20150209.aspx)

Good for Poland.  They remember what being under the Russian boot feels like.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 11, 2015, 12:38:45 PM
Keep flapping your yap, the more you do the more likely it is you'll get what you moan for! (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-11/russia-warns-us-supplying-arms-ukraine-will-have-dramatic-outcome)

Seriously?  This from the mongrels who sell weapons and munitions to every scumbag terrorist, dictator, commissar and mufti on the fricken planet?

Bugger off, mongrels!   ::doublebird::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 12, 2015, 06:55:48 AM
The new Minsk cease fire agreement (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-12/ukraine-ceasefire-deal-agreed-after-negotiations-all-nighter-doubts-remain-about-its) on its face looks extremely Russia-friendly, so it is almost certain to fall apart...at least if I were Ukraine I'd feel a bit molested by both Russians and Euro's.

But this temporary aparent victory is no solace for a Russia that is still very fragile in ego (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-11/putins-top-security-advisor-current-us-approach-leads-inevitable-confrontation-russi), one thing stays the same...they whine and piss and moan about every bloody nauseating little thing real and especially imagined...

What a bunch of petty bullies and petulant little crybabies!

To be Russian is to be a jackass!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 18, 2015, 08:20:30 AM
Gosh, what a shock.  I've never seen an enemy use a truce to surround, attack and consolidate more territory before!

/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-18/hundreds-ukraine-troops-surrender-besieged-town-debaltseve-falls-rebels (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-18/hundreds-ukraine-troops-surrender-besieged-town-debaltseve-falls-rebels)

It's almost, like, this was all planned...

 ::)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 25, 2015, 08:18:37 AM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-25/ukraine-enters-hyperinflation-currency-trading-halted-soon-we-will-wwalk-around-suit (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-25/ukraine-enters-hyperinflation-currency-trading-halted-soon-we-will-wwalk-around-suit)

This is probably when the West looks to find the nearest exit...probably a key component in the Russian design for conquest most people forgot about...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on March 01, 2015, 12:02:22 PM
  When the Ukraine decides that they are willing to die en masse the world will do nothing to help. You have to have  a slauter of Biblical proportions to shame the SOB IN CHIEF to do something and he will only do it if the dems force him because they have to run and win.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 02, 2015, 07:07:52 AM
This should be another EU led show, but Obama is no Clinton (snort!) and Ukraine is no Kosovo and the MFM doesn't care and the EU is impotent...so yes, the Ukrainian people are totally porked.  Then the question is "Who next gets eaten by Russia"?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2015, 12:01:28 PM
ZH had an article out earlier pooh-poohing EU statements about Russia building up more forces in the Ukraine area in favor of slamming the West for providing tanks to Ukraine...and article not mentioning beyond that, since it appears the Russians have been and continuing to build up in the region as well as turning up the heat on the West all over the globe (http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20150310.aspx), so...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 16, 2015, 08:23:21 AM
We can laugh and joke about General Scales being the fictional General Jack D Ripper, but his comments taken in context are completely true...

Just a few short days after former US Army General Robert Scales explained to FOX News that Ukraine is lost, and acknowledged that an ongoing deployment of American troops to Eastern Europe is unlikely to change the situation, and "the only way [The US] can turn the tide is start killing Russians... killing so many Russians that even Putin’s media can’t hide the fact that Russians are returning to their motherland in body bags,” he has come out defending his statement as the Russian Investigative Committee has opened a criminal probe into his statements. “I’m not concerned at all, I just kind of wish I could take a vacation in Russia but I can guarantee, that’s not going to happen," Scales said, shrugging off Russian 'propaganda' as "a Russian form of war."

It’s the Russia version of the First Amendment – five years in prison if you say something that makes [Russian President] Vladimir Putin angry,” Scales told Fox News.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-15/ex-us-general-defends-his-sanctions-dont-work-start-killing-russians-comment (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-15/ex-us-general-defends-his-sanctions-dont-work-start-killing-russians-comment)

It's all truthful as far as I can tell...like any conflict killing the enemy is a central goal of warfare...duh!  And I think the situation there is probably lost...the Euro's should be taken the load and they aren't, they should be aggresively arming and assisting the Ukrainians and they aren't...so it looks like time is only on the Russian side...and the precedent set here should cause any nation bordering Russia to consider other alternatives than help from the Euro's or America...

It seems might makes right after all, eh?  Stupid Euro's...how many times they need to be slaughtered before they learn that lesson?

Hopeless!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 23, 2015, 07:40:49 AM
Vlad the Nation-Inhaler takes aim at Denmark...

Russia threatened to aim nuclear missiles at Danish warships if Denmark joins NATO's missile defense system (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/russia-target-denmarks-warships-joins-missile-shield-ambassador-164606187.html)

Yup, not since the bad old days of the late Soviet "Evil Empire" has such rhetoric been unleashed...and not since then have nations been openly crushed and territory seized.

Russia isn't completely to blame though...I mean one can only go so far in blaming a mindless beast for being a mindless beast...it is those routinely preyed upon by mindless beasts throughout history that should have known better and took it upon themselves to look to their own safety first instead of whoring themselves out to a sugar daddy far away...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 25, 2015, 07:13:15 AM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-24/us-house-votes-348-48-arm-ukraine-russia-warns-lethal-aid-will-explode-whole-situati (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-24/us-house-votes-348-48-arm-ukraine-russia-warns-lethal-aid-will-explode-whole-situati)

US House votes 348-48 to provide lethal aid to Ukraine...as usual the PaulBot-dominated clowns at ZH dutifully don their pro-Putin chapeau's and toss their old non-interventionist hats into the trash can...

It's so easy being a gutless weasel who can flip-flop with the best of them...makes your average PaulBot no different than a DemoProg!

Sure wish those ZH clowns would be idelogically consistent...oh well, nobody's perfect, eh?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Alphabet Soup on March 25, 2015, 10:53:36 AM
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Sure wish those ZH clowns would be idelogically consistent...

Where would be the comedic interlude value in that?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 25, 2015, 10:55:49 AM
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Sure wish those ZH clowns would be ideologically consistent...

Where would be the comedic interlude value in that?

Heh.  Nice term...comedic interlude...

Something has to break up the constant irritation, we'll take what we can get!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 02, 2015, 08:37:51 AM
Vlad the Nation-Inhaler threatens the West and the Baltic states with "nuclear force" to retain Crimea and keep NATO from deploying assets in the Baltics.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-threatens-to-use-nuclear-force-over-crimea-and-the-baltic-states-10150565.html# (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-threatens-to-use-nuclear-force-over-crimea-and-the-baltic-states-10150565.html#)

Heh, remember that Obama/CodePink-like "stay out of others peoples business...we have no right to interfere in the internal affairs of other nations" retarded mantra so popular at ZeroHedge when America looks to be interefering?  Yeah, well...they've not made one posting about this beligierent statement coming out of Moscow...no doubt they were caught by surprise and are frantically calling RT.com for talking points (who are in turn awaiting instructions from the Kremlin).

Usually, you only get this kind of nuclear threatening from totalitarian regimes and crazy-assed Muzzie outfits...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 06, 2015, 07:12:33 AM
Hilarious.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-05/leader-ukraines-ultranationalist-right-sector-appointed-army-advisor (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-05/leader-ukraines-ultranationalist-right-sector-appointed-army-advisor)

Nationalist-expansionist Russians - good.

Nationalist-freedom fighters combating invaders, like Ukraine's "Right Sector" - nationalist, ultranationalist, neofascist, right-wing, or far right.

Hey, if it leads to killing more invaders...that's Ukraine's right.  Suck it up Russophiles!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 22, 2015, 07:32:53 AM
EU presses on Gazprom antitrust case, Russophiles whine about spite (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-22/eu-formally-and-spitefully-files-anti-trust-charges-against-gazprom), yeah, boo-fricken-hoo!  Puti acts like Uncle Joe and isn't rewarded with obedience!  Whaaaa!!!!

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 15, 2015, 11:45:46 AM
Ukraine just made one heck of a blunder!

http://iotwreport.com/?p=285883 (http://iotwreport.com/?p=285883)

And since when are sitting US Senators allowed to be anything to any foreign leader?

The US senator said he would be honored to take up the post, adding however that he first had to be cleared by the Senate. (http://jpupdates.com/2015/05/14/ukraine-appoints-us-senator-mccain-presidential-aide/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

Maybe we should let the Ruling Class jackass go?  Cruel to Ukraine...but nice to get his Manchurian ass outta here!   :D
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 28, 2015, 07:45:04 AM
http://www.weaselzippers.us/224850-russia-masses-heavy-firepower-on-border-with-ukraine/ (http://www.weaselzippers.us/224850-russia-masses-heavy-firepower-on-border-with-ukraine/)

More armor moving...removing identification of armor and personnel is a troubling sign.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 18, 2015, 11:54:23 AM
Vlad misses the deadline and now he cries like a spoiled little brat...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-18/moscow-furious-after-both-belgium-and-france-freeze-russian-state-assets (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-18/moscow-furious-after-both-belgium-and-france-freeze-russian-state-assets)

...boo fricken hoo...

 ::smallestviolin::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 02, 2015, 08:06:54 AM
This is pretty good stuff here.

http://www.weaselzippers.us/227994-drone-captures-video-of-russian-base-inside-ukraine/ (http://www.weaselzippers.us/227994-drone-captures-video-of-russian-base-inside-ukraine/)

This drone footage shows how the Russians (the Russians, not some peasant rebels!) built up a FOB in a couple weeks that poses a direct threat to Ukraine by probing deeper into her sovereign territory.  No doubt they will have reserves coming up at the last minute before any offensive kicks off, and will likely get air support (helo and fixed-wing) from Russian units closer to the border.

Yeah, this is no indigenous uprising, this is clear naked Russian aggression.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 10, 2015, 07:54:10 AM
Ukraine on Monday reported repelling a rare tank assault by pro-Russian rebels that threatened to usher in a dangerous escalation to the 16-month war.

President Petro Poroshenko said about "200 insurgents used tanks to storm" Novolaspa -- a village half-way between the separatists' de facto capital Donetsk and the Kiev-held port of Mariupol -- in a pre-dawn raid that caught government soldiers off guard.

Chief of Staff General Viktor Muzhenko "informed the president that the Ukrainian forces gave a fitting rebuff and repelled all the attacks", the presidency said.

http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-reports-heavy-tank-battle-pro-russians-112721169.html (http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-reports-heavy-tank-battle-pro-russians-112721169.html)

I wonder where mere "rebels" got their hands on tanks?  I know, I know...don't ask questions you don't want answers to...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: richb on August 11, 2015, 02:23:26 PM

MH17: 'Russian missile parts' at Ukraine crash site

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33865420 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33865420)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 12, 2015, 06:43:02 AM

MH17: 'Russian missile parts' at Ukraine crash site

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33865420 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33865420)

Fits the early eyewitness reports as well as the rumor that these systems were rolling into this area before that plane went down.  Pretty obvious it was a Russian attempt at a false flag event to pin on Ukraine in an attempt to weaken Western support.  What further proof do people need?  I mean all of the evidence points to Russia and the thugs they are arming...and they still blame Ukraine.  Morons always have a hard time going off script even when the script has been made laughable by events...like progs and their "It's Bush's fault!" mantra, these morons have no choice but to sputter "It's Ukraine!".
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 22, 2015, 07:17:03 AM
With things in Ukraine at a virtual stalemate and Russian forces now engaged in Syria...the Russian battle with the West is taking on a more urgent economic front -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11937348/Russia-retreats-to-autarky-as-poverty-looms.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11937348/Russia-retreats-to-autarky-as-poverty-looms.html)

"Autarky" is national economic self-sufficiency...and with $30 oil being too much to hope for...it means more military adventurism to acquire what you cannot import.  The blowback domestically is broke hungry desperate folks going on a rampage...and the government response could trigger any and all manner of bad things.

Strap in...I think this ride is about to get a bit more interesting...

ETA - More on the Russian situation:

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20151021.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20151021.aspx)

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairw/articles/20151019.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairw/articles/20151019.aspx)

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 11, 2016, 08:16:15 AM
Hey, remember this little conflict in Ukraine?  Yeah, the one where Vlad rolled in tanks and stole Crimea and seized Eastern provinces of Ukraine?

Yeah, with Syria on hold and an American election coming up it's time to get the war machine rolling in Ukraine again...it was always going to gear up again, it was just a matter of when...

15 people try to break into Crimea...and it's being characterized as an "attack"...and Russophiles are po'd it didn't get all the play it deserved for the Russian point of view...well, anyway...Russia picked up it's marbles and left the peace talks (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-10/russia-pulls-out-ukraine-peace-talks-citing-crimea-attack-videos-detainee-weapons-ca), so it's on to killing again, but not before ginning up some angst against those troublemaking Ukrainians who for some inexplicable reason want to remain independent and retain their territorial integrity and live a life free of Russian interference in their affairs.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-11/ukraine-puts-troops-near-russia-border-combat-alert-tension-moscow-spikes (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-11/ukraine-puts-troops-near-russia-border-combat-alert-tension-moscow-spikes)

Jeesh.  Crap like that happened all the time back in the early days of the cease fire with North Korea...Russian's are such pussies!

You well, they are spoiling for a fight, still pissed at Europe, angry they cannot always get away with energy extortion, pissed that their athletes are caught being a bunch of dopers...and want to cause some mischief and dick with American elections while they can.

Swell.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 16, 2017, 11:52:18 AM
Nothing like a late winter offensive...

(http://www.weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/C4qCcsfUkAAUB3k-1-1024x851.jpg)

http://www.weaselzippers.us/325232-russian-troops-have-attacked-ukranian-positions-139-times-with-heavy-armor-in-the-last-48-hours/ (http://www.weaselzippers.us/325232-russian-troops-have-attacked-ukranian-positions-139-times-with-heavy-armor-in-the-last-48-hours/)

...to find out who your friends are...or are not...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 03, 2017, 07:13:40 AM
Soros begging to be slain again...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-02/soros-backed-group-organizes-massive-coal-blockade-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-02/soros-backed-group-organizes-massive-coal-blockade-ukraine)

I swear, this clown is Satan's favorite toy other than Obama...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 21, 2017, 08:53:36 AM
This is no big deal...

http://thehill.com/policy/international/365906-trump-administration-approves-lethal-arms-sales-to-ukraine?__twitter_impression=true (http://thehill.com/policy/international/365906-trump-administration-approves-lethal-arms-sales-to-ukraine?__twitter_impression=true)

...large offensive weapons is what the Ukrainians need...if pushing the Russians out is the goal...which it appears it is not...so the new status quo is just solidifying if anything...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 21, 2017, 10:46:33 AM

Long ago I discovered this site mishtalk. The guy is a financial guy but has contacts in Ukraine. Maybe he is from there originally. He provided news from Ukraine that countered official US propaganda.

I recall the US pumped $5 billion into Ukraine to destabilize the country.  I don't really care if the Eastern part of Ukraine breaks away and joins Russia.  Not our problem.




https://www.themaven.net/mishtalk (https://www.themaven.net/mishtalk)

I didn't find much recently.
https://www.themaven.net/mishtalk/economics/asininity-from-mccain-send-weapons-to-ukraine-aVpHRZgdYkKLPxdB7su8LQ (https://www.themaven.net/mishtalk/economics/asininity-from-mccain-send-weapons-to-ukraine-aVpHRZgdYkKLPxdB7su8LQ)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 21, 2017, 11:32:56 AM
Probably a tool of Gazprom.

But the whole scene is full of bad actors.

I was opposed to the Russian annexation of Crimea and their incursion into Eastern Ukraine...I never bought into the Paulbot BS that Russia has a natural divine right to areas on its periphery (which by that logic we should annex Canada, Northern Mexico, Cuba and any Caribbean island wrongfully possessed by foreign devils!) or because there are people of your nationality living there (which in the case of Russia who in any of those former satellite states doesn't have Russian blood intermingled in their populace?  Seize them all!)...and we as Americans being largely mutts...sh*t, we can annex the world!

But Paulbots always come up short on logic and long on anarchy and love kissing the Russian arse!

The Russian seizures resemble their Soviet days...and for that I condemn them.  And at that time I would have armed them to the teeth.  But Ukraine is fodder for Russian Imperial designs to control energy flow into Europe, they want to be the monopoly and as is their practice wield their control of this life-blood of modern society to impose political terms.  I have no love of the EU, they are ass-clowns of the highest order, both should be kept out of Ukraine, but energy supplies and politics and old hatreds rule the day...so it is the Ukrainian people who suffer.  The largest portion due to typical Russian bullying, next the meddling of Euro-statists and crony-capitalist...and to a lesser but significant extent poor internal leadership that plays off one or the other as a willing proxy to enjoy their position.  It is a pity we could not arm the Ukrainians early on and have them attack both West and East!

Even the Clinton Money Laundering scam and the Uranium One scandal got caught up in this conflict!

It's a mess now, the best that could happen now is everybody settle the hell down, stop the BS and quit looking to get the upper hand...that just keeps the Ukrainian people in the meat-grinder paying the higher price!

The situation stinks to high heaven!   ::outrage::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on December 30, 2017, 01:47:22 PM
 Trump sold weapons to Ukraine Russia pissed off even though they had nothing to do with the take over.  Interesting logic.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 15, 2018, 10:25:05 AM
It is ironic...Russophiles at ZH like to talk about how the DeepState in the US is aching for war and wanting to start sh*t with innocent Mother Russia...but then why is innocent Mother Russia feeding the war-monger-mania?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-14/who-do-russians-consider-their-greatest-enemies (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-14/who-do-russians-consider-their-greatest-enemies)

Wouldn't the smart play be to downplay your antagonism and not offer red meat to the statists in America?

I guess not.  See?  There are no "innocents", the lust of elitists everywhere is for the same thing and for the same reasons...hard not to see this not ending on the really bad end of the scale, isn't it?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Syzygy on January 15, 2018, 03:38:27 PM
It is ironic...Russophiles at ZH like to talk about how the DeepState in the US is aching for war and wanting to start sh*t with innocent Mother Russia...but then why is innocent Mother Russia feeding the war-monger-mania?

...

Good question. 

And a lot of the "agitprop" that feeds the war-mongering-mania comes from the Russian sponsored news media, i.e. RT and Sputnik.

I don't recall these being around pre-Putin.  And I don't think 68% of the Russian people thought America was their biggest threat pre-Putin,  either,  with Ukraine coming in second at almost 30%. 

I think the answer to your question will have to include SOMETHING about Putin--a BIG something.  My 2 cents,  anyway.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 15, 2018, 05:06:37 PM

How many times has the US MSM bashed Russia in the past year?  10,000 times maybe?
The US moved NATO forces to the Russian border after the Russians pulled back.
The US funneled $5 billion to subvert Ukraine.
US influenced a previous Russian election.
The US outspends Russia 10 to 1 on military.

We think of ourselves as the good guys but Russians have a right to their view of that, with our tanks on their border.  The US has accused Russia of economic warfare for building gas pipelines. I believe the US Senate has gone on the record about that as I recall.

Russia has been much better about causing trouble for the US in Latin America and Cuba.
What does it get them?
We gave Ukraine sniper systems. Why shouldn't Russia give such systems to MX narco gangs?

We should pull out of NATO. I don't care about Russia vs Ukraine.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 15, 2018, 06:24:40 PM
It is ironic...Russophiles at ZH like to talk about how the DeepState in the US is aching for war and wanting to start sh*t with innocent Mother Russia...but then why is innocent Mother Russia feeding the war-monger-mania?

...

Good question. 

And a lot of the "agitprop" that feeds the war-mongering-mania comes from the Russian sponsored news media, i.e. RT and Sputnik.

I don't recall these being around pre-Putin.  And I don't think 68% of the Russian people thought America was their biggest threat pre-Putin,  either,  with Ukraine coming in second at almost 30%. 

I think the answer to your question will have to include SOMETHING about Putin--a BIG something.  My 2 cents,  anyway.

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!

It helps him with the masses, the strong man there to protect them from evil like nobody else can.  It also helps fund the Russian MIC/Oligarchy/Syndicates which he cannot cut loose to the wind of chance.

It shows the masses there can be just as stupendously moronic as those here or just about anywhere...and shows what a bunch of Putin gravy gulping idiots troll ZeroHedge!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 15, 2018, 06:36:56 PM

How many times has the US MSM bashed Russia in the past year?  10,000 times maybe?
The US moved NATO forces to the Russian border after the Russians pulled back.
The US funneled $5 billion to subvert Ukraine.
US influenced a previous Russian election.
The US outspends Russia 10 to 1 on military.

We think of ourselves as the good guys but Russians have a right to their view of that, with our tanks on their border.  The US has accused Russia of economic warfare for building gas pipelines. I believe the US Senate has gone on the record about that as I recall.

Russia has been much better about causing trouble for the US in Latin America and Cuba.
What does it get them?
We gave Ukraine sniper systems. Why shouldn't Russia give such systems to MX narco gangs?

We should pull out of NATO. I don't care about Russia vs Ukraine.

The Russia-Ukraine thing does piss me off, it's well documented, read this thread from the start.  The original impetus was twofold - 1) Outdated (See Soviet) Russian ego that all former satellites are their natural vassals and 2) kind of related to number one, the belief that they can dominate the region as sole-source energy provider (which after all is just another term for hydraulic despotism - control/fear/extort!).  Then they started lying about Ukrainians being the aggressors, lied about blowing the airliner out of the sky when nobody but them could have pulled it off...all on the heels of outright stealing Crimea.  On these factors alone they are thugs unable to cope with their low self esteem issues.  By using Russian logic there is not a damn thing that should stop us from seizing Cuba and the parts of Canada and Mexico we desire!

On the EU/NATO front they have more to legitimately bitch about IMO.  NATO is no longer needed, the candy-ass Euro-Socialists can pay for their own defense and should have been charged with doing so the moment the Soviet Union collapsed.  Screw those losers, never get one damn bit a thanks from them for bailing their ass out of two world wars and keeping the Russian Bear at bay for another 46 years!

I have also stated more than once, we should be allies in combating the Islamo-Fascist threat, but that can only go so far, since the Russians make a ton of money selling tech to batshyt crazies like Syria, Iran and North Korea.  In Syria we should be the hell out of there too, let Russians take that cesspool, getting out of NATO would finally cut us loose from Erdogan's batshyt crazy Turks too!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Syzygy on January 15, 2018, 09:41:23 PM
...
On the EU/NATO front they have more to legitimately bitch about IMO.  NATO is no longer needed, the candy-ass Euro-Socialists can pay for their own defense and should have been charged with doing so the moment the Soviet Union collapsed. 
...

When the Soviet Union collapsed,  it being the reason for a NATO in the first place--a 3 Musketeers,  all for one and one for all defense against Soviet invasion--NATO's raison d'etre collapsed with it.  Instead of disbanding or at least downsizing,  they went on a membership drive,   thus proving once again a Reagan truism:  the closest thing to eternal life here on Earth is a government program.

I think that with the modern day Asian threats--China and NK--a new and improved SEATO treaty would make more sense today,  economically (cheaper) AND strategically.   But when was the last time our government did anything that made good sense? 

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 16, 2018, 07:55:31 AM
...
On the EU/NATO front they have more to legitimately bitch about IMO.  NATO is no longer needed, the candy-ass Euro-Socialists can pay for their own defense and should have been charged with doing so the moment the Soviet Union collapsed. 
...

When the Soviet Union collapsed,  it being the reason for a NATO in the first place--a 3 Musketeers,  all for one and one for all defense against Soviet invasion--NATO's raison d'etre collapsed with it.  Instead of disbanding or at least downsizing,  they went on a membership drive,   thus proving once again a Reagan truism:  the closest thing to eternal life here on Earth is a government program.

I think that with the modern day Asian threats--China and NK--a new and improved SEATO treaty would make more sense today,  economically (cheaper) AND strategically.   But when was the last time our government did anything that made good sense?

I agree.  The Pacific Rim is where we should be focused, let the Europeans worry about Europe.  Oh, and on record numerous times saying we should have wooed India not Pakistan...would have been better that way...and it would have thrown a wrench in the String of Pearls and BRICS!

Pan started this thread - http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,3910.180.html (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,3910.180.html)

We have had lively discussions on it, primarily centered on the Chi-Com "String of Pearls" network.

Other threads related to the String of Pearls and related area interest include:

BRICS -

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,991.msg10575.html#msg10575 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,991.msg10575.html#msg10575)

Pakistan -

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,15772.msg169597.html#msg169597 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,15772.msg169597.html#msg169597)

Philippines -

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,14240.msg158066.html#msg158066 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,14240.msg158066.html#msg158066)

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,14380.msg155598.html#msg155598 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,14380.msg155598.html#msg155598)

Vietnam -

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,14244.msg154262.html#msg154262 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,14244.msg154262.html#msg154262)

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,1854.msg21483.html#msg21483 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,1854.msg21483.html#msg21483)

India -

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,6518.msg73303.html#msg73303 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,6518.msg73303.html#msg73303)

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,12311.msg137548.html#msg137548 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,12311.msg137548.html#msg137548)

Norks -

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,15137.msg169082.html#msg169082 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,15137.msg169082.html#msg169082)

And because they are directly related to global issues -

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,4585.msg168199.html#msg168199 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,4585.msg168199.html#msg168199)

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,913.msg147158.html#msg147158 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,913.msg147158.html#msg147158)

Now, get in there and post!   ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 26, 2018, 01:42:08 PM
Russia being a bully again...

https://www.voanews.com/a/ukraine-demands-russia-release-ukrainian-sailors-ships/4673893.html (https://www.voanews.com/a/ukraine-demands-russia-release-ukrainian-sailors-ships/4673893.html)

Supposed to be free passage in the Kerch Strait, and what threat two warships and a tug present to the mighty Rus Fleet let alone the mighty Rus Empire I don't know...and what "provocations" the Rus imagine were not spelled out, merely an allegation of no notification of passage that Ukraine denies...but that alone is insufficient to seize ships and crew.  Normally I wouldn't side with a Euro-ponce like Stoltenberg, but in this case the Russian claim looks weak.

Might makes right, old as Adam, eh?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 27, 2018, 07:52:44 AM
Well, shucks...should have known!

Gazprom.  The Invincible Rus Empire of Vlad the Conquerer threatened by the merest Ukrainian vessel exercising the right of passage so near a vital source of Imperial Life-blood!

(https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/_2018d215-01-01.jpg)

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-26/russian-south-stream-20-comes-out-shadows (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-26/russian-south-stream-20-comes-out-shadows)

Yeah...still waiting on the nature of that threat...

 foottapping
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 28, 2018, 07:53:56 AM
Oh jeez, Brits want to sail a destroyer in Black Sea...Russia deploys missiles in Crimea...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-28/russia-deploys-s-400-missiles-crimea-military-showdown-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-28/russia-deploys-s-400-missiles-crimea-military-showdown-ukraine)

Crimea river!   ::mooning::

But hey, Chi-Com's hopping mad over being told to play fair...threaten ALL OUT WAR.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-27/china-ambassador-warns-dire-consequences-if-no-deal-hints-all-out-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-27/china-ambassador-warns-dire-consequences-if-no-deal-hints-all-out-war)

Cui gotta a purdy mouth...how about put up or shut up?

Okie Dokie boys...we playing WWIII or not?

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 07, 2018, 07:47:04 AM
ZH cannot cite RT constantly...so their Russophile proxies come into play...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-06/why-russia-wont-invade-ukraine-baltic-statelets-or-anybody-else (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-06/why-russia-wont-invade-ukraine-baltic-statelets-or-anybody-else)

Kind of a nice fairy tale...Russia is good, Russia is wise, there is no place like Russia...will not invade neighbors, just wait for them to implode...and even then they will not take advantage of them!

In Alfred E. "What, me worry?" Putin we trust.
Title: Russia and Ukraine incident
Post by: patentlymn on December 07, 2018, 01:38:32 PM

I moved this to an earlier topic.
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,9929.msg175285.html#msg175285 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,9929.msg175285.html#msg175285)

Title: Re: Russia and Ukraine incident
Post by: Libertas on December 07, 2018, 02:44:59 PM
It speaks to the larger Russian-Ukrainian recent history and parallels older generation memory of the dark days behind the curtain of Soviet Russian oppression.  And forget not that Putin is a survivor of Soviet KGB (rose to Lt.Col. in the NKVD), so no stranger to intrigue, prejudice and exploitation is he.   Flash-forward to the invasion into Eastern Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea.  Now, Ukraine is effectively blocked at the Kerch...anything coming from Ukraine in the east on the Sea of Azov or west on the Black Sea is subject to the whimsy of Mother Russia.  I find it hilarious anybody who has pretensions of intelligence buying the poor Russia meme when it is not they who have been invaded and not they who have had territory stolen...or they who must obey their oppressor when traveling east-west or west-east in international waters.  It is also not Ukraine who has fossil fuel pipelines to extort Europe with.

If anybody has a valid gripe and an excuse to seize a ship in port is more likely valid by Ukraine than Russia...but, tit for tat in response to Kerch abuses?  Yeah, why the frick not?  Just like a diplomatic row and ousting consular staff.  All is fair...

Hey?  I've been documenting the crap out of this mess from the start, here - http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,9929.260.html (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,9929.260.html)

Poor misunderstood oft victimized Russian peoples!

 ::ohno::

I feel not their pain.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 07, 2018, 02:57:46 PM
I came across this site that had more details on the Ukraine incident.
It seems factual to me. The guest is biased and says so.
He gives the history of that immediate region. I never heard these details on the MSM. Ukranian skips passed daily under the bridge without problem. Ukraine had decided that any ships visiting Crimea first then visiting a Ukranian port were subject to seizure and had seized Russian ship and sailors, mostly small boats.
Russia is holding the Ukranian sailors for an exchange.
etc.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdzEbltuiGg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdzEbltuiGg)

Another video, different guest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlvvIuKv7AI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlvvIuKv7AI)

also
The Sea of Azov is the shallowest sea in the world, with the depth varying between 0.9 and 14 metres (2 ft 11 in and 45 ft 11 in).[1][4][5][6][7]
Title: Re: Russia and Ukraine incident
Post by: Pandora on December 07, 2018, 04:33:31 PM

I moved this to an earlier topic.
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,9929.msg175285.html#msg175285 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,9929.msg175285.html#msg175285)

Merging this thread with earlier one --
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 10, 2018, 08:51:43 AM
 ::hat-tip::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 11, 2018, 08:09:45 AM
Russian tanks massing...more of a continued build up going on a while now.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-09/new-satellite-imagery-shows-hundreds-russian-battle-tanks-amassing-ukraine-border (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-09/new-satellite-imagery-shows-hundreds-russian-battle-tanks-amassing-ukraine-border)

Bullish for peace and harmony, eh?

A third invasion in the works...what could go wrong?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on December 11, 2018, 09:54:43 AM
Not our business.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 11, 2018, 11:34:21 AM
There is a lot that falls into that category...yet foolish people persist in being foolish, or willing stooges of the DeepState and crony-capitalist cabal...

If not entangled in Europe or its love-hate relationship with its neighbors (that hasn't changed much...has it, despite their shared enlightened socialist sentiments!) maybe our relationship with others as well as their own with each other would be different, funny how old animosities persists, eh?   The collapse of the old Soviet Empire basically fell into the lap of Clinton & Dem's who had little to do with its demise and whom still to this day probably mourn its fall.  What should have been consolidated into a conservative win was corrupted by uninterested politicians looking to reap the supposed guns-into-butter windfall that would ensure domestic obedience and continued rule.  Then Prince Vlad had to create ways to stay in power like an Emperor and devise economic means to tie neighbors into serfdom (fuel!) and reconstitute the Russian Empire to its former girth...and this time with Ukraine the target the Dems, the DeepState, the cronys, the EU et al get panties in a bunch?  Not saying without reason but for the wrong reason.  Ironic all the role reversals and lack of consistency or conscience.  And now...the dark powers have Trump (temporarily?) in a box with relations with Russia so that no cooperation between the two can exist...not on Islamic terrorism, not on economic issues...nothing...only conflict can be allowed.  And the dumb Russians don't help by invading neighbors repeatedly.  But that action seems to be encouraged than discouraged...so why don't we act the same?  Time to seize Cuba, we failed to claim all of it in the Spanish-American War, Gitmo not enough...the whole damn island should be ours!  Monroe Doctrine, Putin Doctrine...don't care what it is called...same rules should apply to all or to none!  Canada and Mexico better keep in line, look out!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on December 11, 2018, 02:26:31 PM
  Poland won't let them fall into Ruski hands and if Poland joins were in for it.  They don't trust Russians any closer than they are.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 11, 2018, 06:21:18 PM

We should talk Russia into tearing up our agreement not to invade Cuba.
Trade them Eastern Ukraine for Cuba. Like trading property in Monopoly.
Win win.

I don't care about the corrupt Ukrainian govt at all.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 12, 2018, 07:43:46 AM
The people of Ukraine deserve better...it should not be a choice of being the bitch of Russia or the bitch of the EU...those being the only allowable choices dooms all...you would think the memories of Soviet occupation and two world wars ravaging the region would instill a desire for true independence!  The models to seek are Hungary and Poland, but it seems fate as nothing but misery in store for people in this region.  Glad my paternal grandfather GTFO of there when he did.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 17, 2018, 08:24:38 AM
People like this moon-pie Ann Garrison annoy the stuff out of me!!!

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/12/13/latest-odds-of-a-shooting-war-between-nato-and-russia/

Blame America and Trump...for Russia violating outright and in spirit the INF treaty and blame America and Trump for not wanting to remain in a broken treaty.

Blame America and Trump for being mean to Russia and insulting to Putin...by not giving Putin everything he desires in Crimea, Ukraine, Syria, Iran.

Bemoan the DeepState coup against Trump and the gleeful assistance of the Democrat-Media Complex...and blame America for that too...while Russia and Putin do nothing to help end it...but who are doing a fantastic job of making it worse...the latest stroke of genius being nuke-capable bombers in Venezuela, which lemme guess...is also America and Trump's fault.

I'm at the point now where I have lost all motivation to give one flying fornication about everything!

Goddamned ignorant fools!  You cannot heap all the blame on one side and act like your poop don't stink when your actions make things far worse, not better!

Screw it, put nukes in Ukraine!  Let the whole damned world burn!  What's the point?  Putin is as trapped by his statist masters as Trump is.

Crack a beer and toast the end of life on planet earth!  There is no overcoming this much idiocy!!!