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I guess I did not get the Memo
« on: April 10, 2013, 09:56:55 AM »
I guess I did not get the memo that we have lost the battle for our constitution and our country.  They are now confiscating guns at will in New York and we have people telling us that your children belong to the collective.  Not sure how I missed the memo but,

Guess we can forget all this chest beating and close down all these forums and conservative web sites.  Fox news can close shop and send everybody home.  No reason to report any percentage of truth anymore.  They have won. !!

What the hell is going on ???  Look - I am a nobody, but there are many powerful constitutional patriots out there.  None in government, but some in the media, some not, some powerful business men, some not, some in military, some not, some veterans, some not.  Powerful people who if came together could turn this country upside down and make a real difference.

Where are they ????  If I was in New York and refused to give up my guns and was killed, it probably would not make the news.  But many in this country could make a great difference to take this country back.  Where are they ???  NRA - Where are they ???  If they are not going to do any more than what I see than I don’t see any point in continuing to be a member. Every day more of our rights are aggressively violated and nothing happens.  Nothing !!

I had thought that maybe some of the local law enforcement would not uphold these illegal orders and violation of our rights.  So much for that thought.  I am sure the few who do show any resistance will be removed and replaced.  My state of Kentucky is a fairly gun friendly state now but it will be interesting to see how long that lasts. Town by town, state by state they are invading like a cancer.  It looks like no one or no group will draw a line in the sand.

I guess we will just surrender the constitution and plead with the communists that we will behave ourselves and try to stay out of trouble and under the radar.

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Re: I guess I did not get the Memo
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2013, 10:26:08 AM »

Good rant.  The NRA has been negotiating Pubby style since the '60s, maybe before. The media continue to report opponents to the Constitution as loyal and many folks just don't, for whatever reason, devote the necessary amount of time to ferret out the available truth.  We will either have free and fair elections or there will be an eventual straw.
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Re: I guess I did not get the Memo
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2013, 10:40:17 AM »
Our country and constitution is Lost. It has been since before I was born.  Now they are trying to complete the job, and the long train of abuses is going to foster the inevitable conclusion.

You are correct they will not report resistance in the news, but I suspect that  if they actually try to take the guns, and resistance is offered it will make the Blogosphere. Too many of us are talking daily for them to black out a city.  In New York they sent him a letter.  A LETTER.  Molon Labe.  Yes, they will make you a criminal. Accept that. They are criminals so of course they will demonize us and pass illegitimate laws to try and guilt us into submission. To make it so any individual can be easily arrested  for <something> plausible.  But they are too cowardly, as of yet, to  come to your house and demand them.  We must wait till the British march upon the armory at Concord ( or in your basement) - Every Patriots driveway is the Old North Bridge.



Let them try to cross it, and when they do, raise the alarm, and then get at least one.  If they come house to house, we will gather than meet them house to house.  But I don't think they will.

Right now they are still coming at it one by one. Still trying to give legitimacy to their actions by claiming this or that person is sick. Picking at the edges.  Its only a matter of time before the first patriot fires back.  Most LE here in Colorado is refusing to enforce the gun laws here.  All law enforcement is local, and there is where the Liberals have to put blood and sweat into their ideas- where the rubber meets the road, and I think they are too cowardly to do it - preferring to use the laws to persecute and harass.   If one does show up, kill him. The Liberals cannot legitimately  repeal and inalienble right.They cannot legitimately confiscate arms without due process.  Lethal force in response  to such actions is just and righteous, and that leaves two less henchmen to do their dirty work.  Liberals, by and large are cowards. They want to pass this because it makes THEM feel safer, because it makes THEM feel like heroes. But very few of them are willing to lay down their lives to make it happen. Very few of them are willing to be responsible for the deaths of innocent people who where unjustly convicted of a "crime"  that some liberal suspected they might someday commit.  Most Liberals want disparately to think of themselves as good people - and they will shrink away from this when confronted - willing only to support it in secret - not face to face with weapons.



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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2013, 11:20:57 AM »
Weisshaupt - I support everything you have said.  I too believe that if authorities try to take your weapons unlawfully that you should defend yourself and your property. 

But you know what will happen the first time a patriot does that -  The media will label him or her one of those crazy gun toting people and say - see, this is why we have to confiscate all the guns to keep the rest of you safe from them.  And most will believe it.  I can't find a good possible outcome of any kind.  And as this policy proceeds in New York with little resistance, I expect it will begin to expand.

Just for Sh$ts and giggles - I sent an email to Sean Hannity and asked him what he was going to do when they came for his guns.

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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2013, 11:27:00 AM »
Weisshaupt - I support everything you have said.  I too believe that if authorities try to take your weapons unlawfully that you should defend yourself and your property.  

But you know what will happen the first time a patriot does that -  The media will label him or her one of those crazy gun toting people and say - see, this is why we have to confiscate all the guns to keep the rest of you safe from them.  And most will believe it.  I can't find a good possible outcome of any kind.  And as this policy proceeds in New York with little resistance, I expect it will begin to expand.

Just for Sh$ts and giggles - I sent an email to Sean Hannity and asked him what he was going to do when they came for his guns.

He'll hand them over. Unless I am terribly mistaken, Sean Hannity is not the one to lead a real resistance with action. He'll hand them over, and then bitch about it on the radio and TV.
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2013, 11:36:01 AM »
Irondiopriest -  I suspect you are exactly right.  I would love to appear on his show or see one of the patriots here appear and talk about what really needs to happen.

I like Fox overall - But I suspect they would not allow that.  Beck proved that there are limits as to what you can say on Fox as well.

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Re: I guess I did not get the Memo
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2013, 11:38:45 AM »
Sounds about right.

BTW - Let them label away, once they show their gun-hand against the citizenry, they'll be no hiding the fact from people that know better.

Then perhaps we'll see the mass vigorous response from fellow patriots.  Then it will be the Statist's turn again.

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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2013, 11:51:13 AM »

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BTW - Let them label away, once they show their gun-hand against the citizenry, they'll be no hiding the fact from people that know better.

Exactamundo!  The more they expose their true selves to low information citizens the better the wakeup.
 

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Re: I guess I did not get the Memo
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2013, 12:02:30 PM »
Weisshaupt - I support everything you have said.  I too believe that if authorities try to take your weapons unlawfully that you should defend yourself and your property.  

But you know what will happen the first time a patriot does that -  The media will label him or her one of those crazy gun toting people and say - see, this is why we have to confiscate all the guns to keep the rest of you safe from them.  And most will believe it. I can't find a good possible outcome of any kind.  And as this policy proceeds in New York with little resistance, I expect it will begin to expand.

Just for Sh$ts and giggles - I sent an email to Sean Hannity and asked him what he was going to do when they came for his guns.

Yes. And then, as always, we will point out that he was killed in his own home, defending his own property, against thieves masquerading as legitimate officials, and had he been left alone, no one would have been hurt. That this death was CAUSED by the new gun laws and therefore not a justification of them.

And, as always, the liberal foot-soldiers won't listen.  As always, those who are already awake will already know the score.  As always, a few in the mushy middle will wake up,  but most  won't pay attention.  They may pass more laws in more places.  And more such events will occur.  And each time, there is at least one thug dead.  52 Million gun owning  households left to go.

If resistance is met in just 0.1% of such invasions, and each take the life of a single thug, that means 52,000 dead police officers.  For comparison,  that is  more 13,000 more than those killed or Wounded in Iraq. 4000 less than the total  number of names on the Vietnam Wall. That is a war all by itself.  And we are talking households- so its not unlikely that there will be MULTIPLE people defending- and multiple cops going down.  The American Revolutionary war had only 3%  of citizens taking an active  part in the fighting . If 3% of the gun owning  Citizens refuse to give up their rights  and resist the liberal tyrants,  that is 4,680,000 households to deal with.  That is  4,680,000 dead thugs. 4 times the number of American Military  Deaths in WWII.  Its a war.

That is all assuming that at no point do the people take up arms and proactively start hunting people wearing a uniform ( and trust me, if that happens,  the cops not participating  will certainly take off their uniforms and go home to protect their own families) That is if NO civil war occurs.

How many police officers feel its worth their life to act to illegitimately confiscate weapon from someone who, in all likelihood would never hurt anyone else if he didn't? There are around 800,000 Law enforcement officers of any type in the US. I suspect at least half are unwilling to even participate, and that number will grow as resistance is met.

The liberals may be arrogant enough to think they can get the guns via confiscation , but its not going to happen. They may be arrogant enough to think they can wear us down and erode our rights a little at a time, as they did in Europe. But Neither case is possible.  Each Day more people wake up. Each day we are MORE ready to meet them. Each day the Government's spending moves the dollar closer to collapse, and with that collapse goes their power. No money to pay thugs? No thugs.  No money to enforce laws. No laws.  They are on the time table. They need to get us into a police state before that comes.

If this is all caused by  Liberal arrogance and ignorance, then that date will come, and Federal power will be gone. We can rebuild and restart, after letting the libtard masses sleep in their own beds and  starve. I can only hop no Christian charity is offered to them, for they are unable to return or understand it- being satanic, greedy, narcissistic vermin.  

If, on the other hand, the driving force behind this is nefarious and deliberate, they will act to get this done. Direct house to house  confiscation of weapons  is impossible- the numbers above prove it. . They will have to resort to using chemical and biological weapons to drive people into Fema Camps run by Foreign armies for tagging, inoculation, re-education and work assignment. Anyone outside the camps can be assumed to be an enemy and killed via drone, or chemical and biological agents.  Those are the millions of Bitter clingers Bill Ayers thought  SHOULD be killed and was willing to kill. And should they go this route, I am unclear as to how we could defend against it. But I will die before I become a slave in a FEMA camp, and I will take as many as I can before I go.

Bill Ayers planned to murder 25 million Americans!

Sadly there is probably more evidence now that suggests the second course than the first. Look to God for strength and know that he is capable of giving you a new life when this one is done, because in God is our hope and salvation. Prepare for the worst, reorder your priorities accordingly, and enjoy the time left to you. Eat, Drink, and be Merry for tomorrow we die for our God and Our freedom.

 

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Re: I guess I did not get the Memo
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2013, 01:03:24 PM »
Weisshaupt - I support everything you have said.  I too believe that if authorities try to take your weapons unlawfully that you should defend yourself and your property.  

But you know what will happen the first time a patriot does that -  The media will label him or her one of those crazy gun toting people and say - see, this is why we have to confiscate all the guns to keep the rest of you safe from them.  And most will believe it.  I can't find a good possible outcome of any kind.  And as this policy proceeds in New York with little resistance, I expect it will begin to expand.

Just for Sh$ts and giggles - I sent an email to Sean Hannity and asked him what he was going to do when they came for his guns.

He'll hand them over. Unless I am terribly mistaken, Sean Hannity is not the one to lead a real resistance with action. He'll hand them over, and then bitch about it on the radio and TV.


Plz let me offer an alternate POV...

I have no doubt that Sean would capitulate and for the exact reasons you suggest, but it will never get to that point. If you've noticed they have been very selective about who they target. They're going after people who largely can't fight back and are fairly invisible. Naturally the offense sticks out (to us) but as long as it ain't a story for the LSM, it ain't a story.

The question then becomes who will be high enough profile that tips the outrage meter?

If they come after me or mine I will consider it an act of war and go to the mattresses. But if they go after a stranger across the country from me? I'm not sure that this is sufficient provocation and will likely go to Def-Con 2 and hold.


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Re: I guess I did not get the Memo
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2013, 01:46:41 PM »

 Look to God for strength and know that he is capable of giving you a new life when this one is done, because in God is our hope and salvation. Prepare for the worst, reorder your priorities accordingly, and enjoy the time left to you. Eat, Drink, and be Merry for tomorrow we die for our God and Our freedom.


Wisely - the above advise is what I am trying to follow.  My wife and I continue to try live each day to the fullest and do the things we enjoy.  I know that many say to prepare, but if things really go to hell in this country, I don't think anyone can really prepare for that.  We have been able to eliminate debt which is a good thing, as we know there are no jobs for people over 50 like me.  We both are still working for now but we know that this government does not want to create jobs anyway. One day at a time. And stay locked and loaded.


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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2013, 06:20:36 PM »

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BTW - Let them label away, once they show their gun-hand against the citizenry, they'll be no hiding the fact from people that know better.

Exactamundo!  The more they expose their true selves to low information citizens the better the wakeup.
 

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Re: I guess I did not get the Memo
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2013, 09:39:05 PM »
As a follower of Yeshua Jesus our Messiah and Lord I believe there is no way out of this mess unless we turn back to Him.

We are going through a massive Spiritual and  Moral Crisis and many churches remain silent. I am disgusted by many of our churches today in the way they teach or lack thereof and their silence on the moral issues of our day including the right for us to bear arms. Our church leaders seem more concerned about making their worship services a production instead of studying the very word of God chapter and verse.  I blame myself too! I do not tell others about the Lord as I should or as I am commanded:

I Peter 3:15 But have reverence for Christ in your hearts, and honor him as Lord. Be ready at all times to answer anyone who asks you to explain the hope you have in you.

2 Tim 4:2 Be ready to spread the word whether or not the time is right. Point out errors, warn people, and encourage them. Be very patient when you teach.


The one hope out of this mess is the TRUTH found in the Bible on how God through our Lord Jesus Saves, Justifies, and welcomes us into His kingdom as His beloved children.

I am comforted greatly by the words of Paul inspired by the Holy Spirit found in Philippians 4:4-6: Do not fret or have any anxiety about anything, but in every circumstance and in everything, by prayer and petition (definite requests), with thanksgiving, continue to make your wants known to God.

And God’s peace [shall be yours, that [c]tranquil state of a soul assured of its salvation through Christ, and so fearing nothing from God and being content with its earthly lot of whatever sort that is, that peace] which transcends all understanding. His peace will guard your hearts and minds as you live in Christ Jesus.

As a believer too you just naturally come to revere and honor the Constitution and realize it was developed by Great Moral and Godly Men that I feel were inspired by God to write and believe in such a wonderful document.  

I truly believe if our nation will respond and turn back to the Lord He will overpower us with blessings and we may become the greatest recovery story in history.
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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2013, 10:08:26 PM »
As a follower of Yeshua Jesus our Messiah and Lord I believe there is no way out of this mess unless we turn back to Him.

We are going through a massive Spiritual and  Moral Crisis and many churches remain silent. I am disgusted by many of our churches today in the way they teach or lack thereof and their silence on the moral issues of our day including the right for us to bear arms. Our church leaders seem more concerned about making their worship services a production instead of studying the very word of God chapter and verse.  I blame myself too! I do not tell others about the Lord as I should or as I am commanded:

I Peter 3:15 But have reverence for Christ in your hearts, and honor him as Lord. Be ready at all times to answer anyone who asks you to explain the hope you have in you.

2 Tim 4:2 Be ready to spread the word whether or not the time is right. Point out errors, warn people, and encourage them. Be very patient when you teach.


There is only one hope out of this mess and it is the TRUTH found in the Bible on how God through our Lord Jesus Saves, Justifies, and welcomes us into His kingdom as His beloved children.

I am comforted greatly by the words of Paul inspired by the Holy Spirit found in Philippians 4:4-6: Do not fret or have any anxiety about anything, but in every circumstance and in everything, by prayer and petition (definite requests), with thanksgiving, continue to make your wants known to God.

And God’s peace [shall be yours, that [c]tranquil state of a soul assured of its salvation through Christ, and so fearing nothing from God and being content with its earthly lot of whatever sort that is, that peace] which transcends all understanding. His peace will guard your hearts and minds as you live in Christ Jesus.

As a believer too you just naturally come to revere and honor the Constitution and realize it was developed by Great Moral and Godly Men that I feel were inspired by God to write and believe in such a wonderful document.  

I truly believe if our nation will respond and turn back to the Lord He will overpower us with blessings and we may become the greatest recovery story in history.


Please come here more often and post this kind of encouragement Magnum. I find that with events as relentlessly grim as they are, tunnel vision can be as much an enemy as the enemy. Looking at what the Word of God has to say is a welcome respite, and reminds us of a promise outside the tunnel.
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Re: I guess I did not get the Memo
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2013, 10:55:16 PM »
As a follower of Yeshua Jesus our Messiah and Lord I believe there is no way out of this mess unless we turn back to Him.

We are going through a massive Spiritual and  Moral Crisis and many churches remain silent. I am disgusted by many of our churches today in the way they teach or lack thereof and their silence on the moral issues of our day including the right for us to bear arms. Our church leaders seem more concerned about making their worship services a production instead of studying the very word of God chapter and verse.  I blame myself too! I do not tell others about the Lord as I should or as I am commanded:

I Peter 3:15 But have reverence for Christ in your hearts, and honor him as Lord. Be ready at all times to answer anyone who asks you to explain the hope you have in you.

2 Tim 4:2 Be ready to spread the word whether or not the time is right. Point out errors, warn people, and encourage them. Be very patient when you teach.


The one hope out of this mess is the TRUTH found in the Bible on how God through our Lord Jesus Saves, Justifies, and welcomes us into His kingdom as His beloved children.

I am comforted greatly by the words of Paul inspired by the Holy Spirit found in Philippians 4:4-6: Do not fret or have any anxiety about anything, but in every circumstance and in everything, by prayer and petition (definite requests), with thanksgiving, continue to make your wants known to God.

And God’s peace [shall be yours, that [c]tranquil state of a soul assured of its salvation through Christ, and so fearing nothing from God and being content with its earthly lot of whatever sort that is, that peace] which transcends all understanding. His peace will guard your hearts and minds as you live in Christ Jesus.

As a believer too you just naturally come to revere and honor the Constitution and realize it was developed by Great Moral and Godly Men that I feel were inspired by God to write and believe in such a wonderful document.  

I truly believe if our nation will respond and turn back to the Lord He will overpower us with blessings and we may become the greatest recovery story in history.


I found comfort in your words. I know they were not for me...but I am for THEM!
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“However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other.”
Phil Robertson an elder in the church of Christ

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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2013, 07:45:47 AM »
As a follower of Yeshua Jesus our Messiah and Lord I believe there is no way out of this mess unless we turn back to Him.

We are going through a massive Spiritual and  Moral Crisis and many churches remain silent. I am disgusted by many of our churches today in the way they teach or lack thereof and their silence on the moral issues of our day including the right for us to bear arms. Our church leaders seem more concerned about making their worship services a production instead of studying the very word of God chapter and verse.  I blame myself too! I do not tell others about the Lord as I should or as I am commanded:

I Peter 3:15 But have reverence for Christ in your hearts, and honor him as Lord. Be ready at all times to answer anyone who asks you to explain the hope you have in you.

2 Tim 4:2 Be ready to spread the word whether or not the time is right. Point out errors, warn people, and encourage them. Be very patient when you teach.


The one hope out of this mess is the TRUTH found in the Bible on how God through our Lord Jesus Saves, Justifies, and welcomes us into His kingdom as His beloved children.

I am comforted greatly by the words of Paul inspired by the Holy Spirit found in Philippians 4:4-6: Do not fret or have any anxiety about anything, but in every circumstance and in everything, by prayer and petition (definite requests), with thanksgiving, continue to make your wants known to God.

And God’s peace [shall be yours, that [c]tranquil state of a soul assured of its salvation through Christ, and so fearing nothing from God and being content with its earthly lot of whatever sort that is, that peace] which transcends all understanding. His peace will guard your hearts and minds as you live in Christ Jesus.

As a believer too you just naturally come to revere and honor the Constitution and realize it was developed by Great Moral and Godly Men that I feel were inspired by God to write and believe in such a wonderful document.  

I truly believe if our nation will respond and turn back to the Lord He will overpower us with blessings and we may become the greatest recovery story in history.



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