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AMPU - Obamacare and the Supremes
« on: March 28, 2012, 11:25:23 AM »
Latest article is up, called "Obamacare and the Supremes."

"There is literally no limit to the amount of control this law will allow government to exert over the individual.  Everything you do can and will be regulated by the government.  And…anything that happens to slip through the cracks of Obamacare can easily be snapped up by any other law Congress feels like passing that forces you to do or not do whatever they feel like.  The precedent set by Obamacare is literally that intrusive and all-reaching."

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Re: AMPU - Obamacare and the Supremes
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2012, 11:28:16 AM »
And this is from the LA Times article:

"Agreeing, Justice Anthony Kennedy said it would be an "extreme proposition" to allow the various insurance regulations to stand after the mandate was struck down."

This is huge.  Kennedy was the only was I was worried about getting all mushy here at the end, but it looks the only "swing" vote on the court is going to vote with the four regular conservatives.  I don't want to get my hopes up yet, but this is huge, and definitely encouraging.
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Re: AMPU - Obamacare and the Supremes
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2012, 11:36:58 AM »
Kill it!  Kill it!  Kill it!

(I too was worried about Kennedy, this is encouraging!)

And this -

But the court's conservatives said the law was passed as a package and must fall as a package.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-justices-poised-to-strike-down-entire-healthcare-law-20120328,0,2058481.story

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Re: AMPU - Obamacare and the Supremes
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2012, 11:39:17 AM »
Kill it!  Kill it!  Kill it!

(I too was worried about Kennedy, this is encouraging!)

And this -

But the court's conservatives said the law was passed as a package and must fall as a package.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-justices-poised-to-strike-down-entire-healthcare-law-20120328,0,2058481.story

- is spot on!


Exactly...apparently, a fourth day of arguments tomorrow deals with the Medicaid expansion...but to me, that's merely academic, and a waste of time after today's news.
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Re: AMPU - Obamacare and the Supremes
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2012, 11:43:28 AM »
I don't trust Kennedy.
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Re: AMPU - Obamacare and the Supremes
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2012, 11:46:43 AM »
I don't trust Kennedy.

And for good reason.  He changed his vote to overturn Roe v Wade in 1992 at the last minute.  We were literally hours away from it...Scalia had already written the majority opinion...and Kennedy changed his mind.  And here we are, 20 years later, still fighting to get it overturned.

Like I said...I don't want to get my hopes up...but this is encouraging.
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Re: AMPU - Obamacare and the Supremes
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2012, 03:46:48 PM »
If Kennedy flip-flops we need to investigate the money trail.
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Re: AMPU - Obamacare and the Supremes
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2012, 04:33:17 PM »
obama needs to be defeated if for no other reason than the possibility to place another justice.
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Re: AMPU - Obamacare and the Supremes
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2012, 01:25:48 AM »
obama needs to be defeated if for no other reason than the possibility to place another justice.

Or two or three.  Kennedy, Ginsburg, and Breyer are all old.  So is Scalia and Thomas.
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Re: AMPU - Obamacare and the Supremes
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2012, 01:41:49 AM »
Old you imply?

Scalia is 76; Thomas, 64.

My Mother is 79 and she can kick their asses around the block.

Ginsberg is 79 and my Mother can still kick HER ass around the block.

Breyer and Kennedy are 79 and a few years younger.

Best to worry about Ruth Buzzi and her replacement.  Obama needs to go before Buzzi does.
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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2012, 07:00:24 AM »
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Re: AMPU - Obamacare and the Supremes
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2012, 11:00:51 AM »
I heard a little clip of Kagan questioning one of the lawyers for our side.  He asserted the mandate to contract amounted to coercion.  She retorted this way, in reference to Federal grants to the states:  Let me see; we're going to give you a boatload -- a boatload -- of money and you call that coercion?

It's as though she has no clue from whence that boatload of money comes.
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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2012, 11:18:44 AM »
She shouldn't have even been involved in this case in any way, shape, or form. But yeah, I know. "This is the country we live in now."
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Re: AMPU - Obamacare and the Supremes
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2012, 11:20:54 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2012, 12:17:02 PM »
He/She/It damages my calm!

I'm not generally one to comment on someone's personal appearance...but man she is not an attractive person at all.  To me, she looks like Mike Myers in drag.
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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2012, 01:01:02 PM »
He/She/It damages my calm!


I'm not generally one to comment on someone's personal appearance...but man she is not an attractive person at all.  To me, she looks like Mike Myers in drag.


Well hey, she's hotter than Helen Thomas.

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Re: AMPU - Obamacare and the Supremes
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2012, 01:02:26 PM »
I heard a little clip of Kagan questioning one of the lawyers for our side.  He asserted the mandate to contract amounted to coercion.  She retorted this way, in reference to Federal grants to the states:  Let me see; we're going to give you a boatload -- a boatload -- of money and you call that coercion?

It's as though she has no clue from whence that boatload of money comes.

They gave a boatload of money to various banks under TARP too- even ones who didn't need it to prevent a stigma from falling on the banks that did.  Was that coercion?

If I don't want your F'ing money, and I am forced to take it, then yeah,that is coercion. Hence the use of the word "Force"
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Re: AMPU - Obamacare and the Supremes
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2012, 01:17:07 PM »
Thanks IDP, I'm just glad my lunch is far enough along the digestive process to come back up...but it tried anyway.

And Weisshaupt, yes, coercion.  You would think a qualifaction for consideration let alone a seat on a court, espcially the Supreme Court, would be understanding coercion means not being able to say "NO"!

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