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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #160 on: May 04, 2023, 08:02:10 AM »
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #162 on: June 13, 2023, 08:58:07 AM »
Neat, with everything already in place already and more air assets rolling in, wonder if the Euro War sees a NATO invasion launched Pre-Ukraine invasion "exercise" style?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-kicks-largest-air-drills-history-germany-hosts

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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #163 on: June 13, 2023, 05:19:24 PM »

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Biden said NATO has grown more unified during the Ukraine war and “we’re going to be building on that momentum” when the alliance holds its annual summit in Vilnius, Lithuania, on July 11 and 12.


Hmm. That is 4 weeks from now. I saw some article, maybe in Politico., that said that western elites are panicking.I see other headlines still saying Ukraine is winning.
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #164 on: June 14, 2023, 09:38:14 AM »
Ukraine is not winning nor is it uniting NATO...what will unite them is panic when they've realized it is lost and a partition is all they can hope for all they will have left is (ironically true) a fear of more losing...

There is no escape from this madness...

Not for us as long as the US is controlled by DeepState lunatics and globalists cabalists and their puppets...
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #165 on: June 14, 2023, 02:30:30 PM »
Ukraine is not winning nor is it uniting NATO...what will unite them is panic when they've realized it is lost and a partition is all they can hope for all they will have left is (ironically true) a fear of more losing...

There is no escape from this madness...

Not for us as long as the US is controlled by DeepState lunatics and globalists cabalists and their puppets...

It may come down to not a lack of NATO will but a lack of NATO ability.
I listen to Macgregor and Ritter. Lots of detailed quantitative stuff.
Macgregor said we could fight a war against Russia, if it only lasted a week.
Ritter dismissed the recent air defense exercise as it relied on lots of previously prepositioned fuel and equipment that would be used up in a real war plus  the air fields would be attacked.

He said something about the F-35s not being used hard in the exercise? Maybe because of wear and tear and spare parts?
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #166 on: June 15, 2023, 08:09:35 AM »
Ukraine is not winning nor is it uniting NATO...what will unite them is panic when they've realized it is lost and a partition is all they can hope for all they will have left is (ironically true) a fear of more losing...

There is no escape from this madness...

Not for us as long as the US is controlled by DeepState lunatics and globalists cabalists and their puppets...

It may come down to not a lack of NATO will but a lack of NATO ability.
I listen to Macgregor and Ritter. Lots of detailed quantitative stuff.
Macgregor said we could fight a war against Russia, if it only lasted a week.
Ritter dismissed the recent air defense exercise as it relied on lots of previously prepositioned fuel and equipment that would be used up in a real war plus  the air fields would be attacked.

He said something about the F-35s not being used hard in the exercise? Maybe because of wear and tear and spare parts?

First, I think a week is hyperbole on both sides of the equation...second, it wouldn't just be Russia if NATO entered...the F35's have had system/maintenance issues that have had their metrics improved in recent years but are still not optimal per original specs so they are not going to be thrown about willy-nilly...

I think everybody is downplaying real downsides and overstating others...
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #167 on: June 15, 2023, 07:14:01 PM »
In the past I have listened to a long Putin speech or read the transcript to see for myself what he actually said. He recently met with journalists and answered questions for 3 hours. Some have been critical of him in the recent past. I did not listen to it.

You mentioned partition. I have heard him talk about how far Russia would go. If Ukraine/NATO continues to attack Russia  using rockets or shelling they will keep moving east to eliminate it from Ukraine. Russia has no desire to govern people who hate them. It is a huge money loser.

I hear Ukr soldiers on occasion complain that "most" or "80%" of the locals want the Russians to win and rat them out to Russians. Some call the locals "waiters" as they are waiting for the Russians to come. IMO if the locals want to be with Russia why should we care?

Ben Hodges, former US army general guy, recently said we should retake Crimea even if we had to kill all the Russians. They are 80% of the pop. Geez. These people are sociopaths. The world notices.

IMO much of the world is turning on the US. It is the trajectory at this point, not the absolute level. I do not believe it is a coincidence. I think the US sanctions on Russia and the unexpected results for Russia encouraged others around the world.

Someone said that the US has been the schoolyard bully everyone was afraid of. Russia punched the US in the nose and got away with it. Those in the schoolyard are turning on us. I heard that the US tried to get the Saudis to maintain a high level oil output by threatening them. Did not end well.

I wish the US govt would do things beneficial to US citizens. None of this helps us.



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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #168 on: June 16, 2023, 08:08:06 AM »
It's beyond obvious that the corrupt and compromised FJB regime is incapable of being respected or feared...you call it bullying, that's a half-truth at best...you think this sh*t would be going in under Trump?  He was the anti-FJB in almost every respect...

The other point is at the conclusion of the cold war when the Soviets collapsed we should have either been the real bully everybody says we are and put a stranglehold on the entire former Soviet bloc...or we should have gotten out of NATO and Europe entirely...but that is not what the elites did...

We the People are getting effed as much if not more than any asshole overseas...
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #169 on: June 16, 2023, 04:19:47 PM »
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We the People are getting effed as much if not more than any asshole overseas...

That is who I care about. I just scan headlines and see things changing fast against the US.  Much was predicted. If US threats worked long term and benefited us then I do not have a huge problem with them. China seduces using development, bribes and is making huge headway.

Brian Berletic said he once traveled through Laos by bus and it took 3 days. China built high speed rail and it now takes hours.  Imagine you are some ignorant farmer and you see this and you get to travel more than 20 km from where you were born. The US using money to influence the elections in Thailand because the previous govt wanted more trade with China. The US backed Thai govt said something about killing the planned high speed rail with China.

Don't get me wrong. The Chinese are shrewd businessmen and not boy scouts. They did not do that to benefit Laos but themselves. The US gets little or negative returns when we send cruise missiles into a country.
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #170 on: July 04, 2023, 04:49:11 PM »


According to Alex, NATO is squabbling and could not agree on the new head so the current guy gets another year.
https://youtu.be/JolRcQ_tJIg
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #171 on: July 05, 2023, 08:21:02 AM »
No squabbling...

SecGen is largely a ceremonial post...kind of a zampolit of NATO...Stoltenberg held over another year because FJB nukes Wallace (UK Defense Sec) because he served in N.Ireland during the so-called "troubles"...though the cover story is because of Ukraine campaign still on-going...

Along with Chair of NATO Military Committee Lt.Adm Bauer (Netherlands) and SACEUR Gen Cavoli, USA they are the faces of NATO and the latter has his hands full operationally should anything happen...they all report into the N.Atlantic Council...and normally follows the POTUS lead, but with that jello-headed corrupt criminal pervert not sure how much that comes into play now...
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #172 on: July 05, 2023, 08:32:57 AM »
Wagner made billions off of Mother Russia...according to Mother Russia...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/colossal-value-wagner-state-contracts-revealed-russian-media

Thanks for taking Crimea back for us and doing the dirty little work around the globe for us...enjoy unmolested exile in my close pal's nation....

Yeah, I am not buying the official Moscow narrative...

It appears the corrupt CIA may be more honest than the Russian government and that is saying a lot!

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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #173 on: July 11, 2023, 11:02:10 AM »
Alex of the Duran said Zelensky is conducting a charm offensive but without the charm.
More of that now.

https://t.me/EurasianChoice/28187
"Unprecedented and absurd!" — Zelensky publicly outraged by conditions set for Ukraine's accession to NATO

No sooner had the main "hero" of the NATO summit in Vilnius reached his concert venue, than he has already ticked everyone off, criticizing his patrons for all talk and no trousers for Ukraine. He is outraged by the existence of some kind of "invitation" procedure. Zelensky's full quote reads as follows:

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"Unprecedented and absurd — there is no time frame for both invitation (!) and membership of Ukraine; and there are some strange wording about "conditions" is added even for Ukraine's invitation."

Tank after tank is burning in the Zaporizhzhia steppe, the mobilization resource has to be replenished by recruiting combatants in relatively prosperous non-European countries and American PMCs and there is no prospect of Ukraine joining the alliance. Let's see where Zelensky's whining goes.

also
http://voxday.net/2023/07/11/the-non-diplomacy-dance/
The Non-Diplomacy Dance

It’s rather amusing to watch Clown World attempting to do diplomacy without actually going through the traditional diplomatic exercises in order to maintain its facade of complete control of the situation.
...
Alex summarizes some recent news. If you want to make the duran guys giggle for the past couple years just mention what Erdogan is up to recently.
https://youtu.be/9Ka4be8A_Jw
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #174 on: July 13, 2023, 06:01:17 PM »
He is funny. At the link around 26 min he shows a meme of Zelensky at the NATO meetng then he does an imitation of the women.  He compares Zelensky to a mafia don whom everyone starts to avoid because they know he is a dead man walking.

Then, as I recall, he says that NATO was designed to fight the USSR. Now they can't even fight Russia so they want to expand into the Pacific.

https://youtu.be/3uJP3Yo31jQ?t=1540
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #175 on: July 15, 2023, 12:15:09 PM »

The version I heard was that US promised F-16 fighters to Turkey and Erdogan said Turkey would approve entry of Sweden into NATO. US then said that congress would have to approve F-16s and that could take a while. Erdogan said that the Turkish parliament would have to approve Sweden and that could take a while.  ::laughonfloor::

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/54552
Sweden's NATO membership is delayed - 24 hours after the "historic agreement", Erdogan has "backtracked"

Just this morning we wrote that despite loud statements and "approval" from Turkey, Sweden's path to NATO is at risk of being delayed. Thus, the U.S. Congress is in no hurry to meet Erdogan's demands for the supply of F-16 fighter jets, and the Turkish leader himself may at any moment try to bargain for better terms, "dumping" everything on the Mejlis, which must vote to approve Stockholm's application. The day has not had time to approach sunset, but the sultan has already started political manoeuvres.

Turkey's parliament will not approve Sweden's application for NATO membership before October, Erdogan said at a press conference following the alliance's summit in Vilnius. The Turkish president explained such a distant timeframe by the fact that the relevant bill will be submitted to the Mejlis for consideration only after its opening, which will happen in autumn. In addition, Erdogan said that he expects Stockholm to fulfil its commitments to fight terrorism before the parliamentary session - Sweden will have to provide a detailed action plan within the framework of previously adopted agreements.

As we said, the Turkish president will try to squeeze maximum concessions out of the situation, so we will see examples of Erdogan's classic "multi-vector policy" more than once. It was vital for the alliance to show unity before the summit, so once again the words of NATO spokesmen were at odds with reality.
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #176 on: July 17, 2023, 08:11:47 AM »
Yeah, no...like I said long ago, Erdogan is a whore who can be bought...FJB said he would underwrite (US taxpayers!) $10-11B of funds from IMF...

And The Kenyan and his team of puppets in this corrupt Admin think they paid him to backstab Russia...when in fact he will take the money and donkey-punch these fools and cut other deals with the Rus...

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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #177 on: July 18, 2023, 08:30:10 AM »
Heh, ink not even dry on the deal and the true nature of Erdogan's Turkey reemerges as predicted...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/recork-champagne-swedens-nato-accession-deal-turkiye-still-faces-hurdles

Should I say the quiet part out loud?  WTH, why not...I'm sure they're thinking it...a soft coup plot in Turkey?
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #178 on: September 08, 2023, 08:11:58 AM »
Too bad nobody with balls is challenging DemoNazi scum and gutless Cucks over staying in a NATO where Turks routinely do side deals with Russia and gleefully resume the genocide of Armenian Christians...maybe if Poland becomes a dominate military force in Central Europe we can finally leave this bullsh*t outfit?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/poland-aims-create-largest-army-europe-within-two-years

Might makes right, period.  Get mighty or get f**ked.

I just want to GTFO.
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Re: Last straw for NATO to exist?
« Reply #179 on: September 08, 2023, 12:58:55 PM »

I never tried to figure out Erdogan. I know he pissed off Russia by releasing the Ukr POWs to Kiev.

I read the linked story. It seems Poland gave some older weapons to Ukr. So it needs new ones. Mostly from US. Some from South Korea.

Also, the former Finnish PM is joining some Tony Blair consulting firm.
https://youtu.be/gyCV2jwS2zA?t=2143
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