Topic: China

[Libertas]

China, Iran, Pakistan, And Russia Are Increasingly Displeased With The Afghan Taliban

 

The Chinese, Iranian, Pakistani, and Russian Foreign Ministers gathered for their third quadrilateral meeting on Afghanistan on the sidelines of the UNGA last week. The joint statement that they produced was sharply critical of the Taliban on very sensitive issues, thus showing that they’re becoming increasingly displeased with them. They confirmed that international terrorist groups are still active in Afghanistan despite the Taliban’s claims and called on them to fulfill their obligation to fight them.

Those four’s joint statement explicitly said that the Taliban should “eliminate all terrorist groups equally and non-discriminatory and prevent the use of Afghan territory against its neighbors, the region, and beyond”, thus implying that it’s only selectively targeting those like ISIS-K which it considers a threat. The innuendo is that some of them like the TTP and BLA, which readers can learn more about here, are being sheltered by the Taliban and even exploited by them as proxies against Pakistan like Islamabad suspects.

It's for this reason why Pakistan’s Express Tribune, which is one of the country’s most reliable outlets, described the inclusion of that language as a ”major diplomatic victory”. The other criticisms of the Taliban were comparatively milder and include a call for it to finally assemble the ethno-politically inclusive government that it promised to form a few years back, create the conditions for facilitating the return of refugees from Iran and Pakistan, and reconsider its policy towards women.

The rest of the document was perfunctory and also predictably blamed NATO for Afghanistan’s plight, but it’s the parts mentioned above that are the most important for observers to pay attention to. What they show is that those four counties’ honeymoon with the Taliban has indisputably ended and they’re no longer shy about drawing attention to its ties with international terrorist groups. They don’t outright accuse it of complicity with them, but a reading between the lines reveals that this is what they think.

This is significant because it hints that they wouldn’t politically oppose whatever military means Pakistan might ultimately resort to for defending its national security interests from Taliban-backed terrorists. China, Iran, and Russia aren’t anywhere near as directly affected by this ignoble state of affairs as Pakistan is, and each has their respective reasons for not worsening their ties with it in spite of this, with Pakistan being the only one among them that might do something tangible in response.

China wants Pakistan to improve its domestic security situation in order to protect BRI’s CPEC flagship, Iran doesn’t want Taliban-backed terrorists in Pakistan’s Balochistan spilling over into its half of this transnational region, and Russia wants a stable environment in which to possibly ramp up investments. The convergence of these three’s interests in this respect inside of Pakistan in spite of their individual ties with the Taliban is why they agreed to so sharply criticize the group in their joint statement.

Seeing as how neither China, Iran, nor Russia will scale back their ties with the Taliban to pressure it into acting against those anti-Pakistani terrorist groups, which is due to them not wanting to lose out on Afghanistan’s logistics and mineral opportunities, the Taliban has no reason to comply. Their implied lack of political opposition to whatever military means Pakistan might ultimately resort to won’t change the military-strategic dynamics between Kabul and Islamabad.

Both conflicting parties know this, which is why the latest joint statement should only be seen as a symbolic declaration of their increasing displeasure with the Taliban and not anything more substantive. Pakistan would still carry out cross-border military action if it considered this necessary even if those other three countries didn’t just signal that they wouldn’t oppose it. In any case, they’ll now better understand why it might do so, which suggests that such a scenario might actually be in the cards.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-iran-pakistan-and-russia-are-increasingly-displeased-afghan-taliban

When you are a greedy little bastard lusting after resources like China, Russia & Iran it means sometimes being a sh*t partner to one (Pakistan) because of it and appear to be de facto silent ally of another (Talibanstan)....

 

All these assholes deserve each other!!!

 

[Libertas]

According to the report, Chinese authorities have ordered the removal of crosses from churches and replaced images of Christ and the Virgin Mary with pictures of President Xi Jinping. They have also censored religious texts, forced clergy members to preach CCP ideology, and mandated that slogans promoting the Party be displayed in churches.

To subordinate religions to the Party, the government requires religious groups to register with various “patriotic religious associations” and their local branches.
https://gatewayhispanic.com/2024/10/china-removes-church-crosses-and-replaces-christs-images-with-xi-jinpings/

China sucks!!!

[patentlymn]

EV voted to impose giant tariffs on Chinese EVs,
Countries with the most trade with China voted against this.


I heard somewhere that China would reduce pork imports from EU (Spain) and replace them with Russian pork.
I recall around 5 percent but that is huge for Spain.

[Libertas]

China sucks...

They put big tariffs on foreign products coming in, then expect nothing going out to those countries.  Trump said eff that noise...they do 100% on cars going in, we go 100% on their cars...

That's how you deal with that trash!

Expanding into other products must have an equivalent match or its starting sh*t, I reckon somebody isn't being honest about who hit who with what first...

As always I do not trust stinking commies...

[patentlymn]

I wonder if the US is funding this? Some in congress wanted to fund this.

https://t.me/intelslava/68005
🇵🇰🇨🇳Three Chinese citizens were killed and 17 were injured in an explosion near an airport in Pakistan.

The incident took place near the Karachi airport. A suicide bomber in a car packed with explosives detonated himself near a convoy. The Chinese Embassy in Pakistan said the attack targeted a convoy carrying Chinese employees of the Port Qasim energy company. Pakistani security forces guarding the foreigners were also among the casualties.

The Balochistan Liberation Army claimed responsibility for the attack.

[Libertas]

Why the US?

Pakistan, China, the United Kingdom, and the United States have designated them a terrorist organization.  They seek independence from Pakistan, until recently (ha, started there!) were allied with Afghan Taliban (FWIW!), alleged ties to Pakistan Taliban (of course) and rumored to have ties with India (alleged by Pakistan, denied by India of course) and like to target Pakistan security forces and foreign nationals...

US has no interest in destabilizing Pakistan...I think you need to turn your gaze Eastward toward Afghani Taliban & India...

[patentlymn]

I saw some congressman making a speech in favor of arming that group. My impression us that China is building their belt and road including railways, ports, This makes China wealthier, more resistant to US sanctions and warfare, and increases China's influence in the world. IMO the US tries to knock China down a  notch by interfering. IMO US is backing insurgents in SE Asia.

[Libertas]

Why would US Commies interfere with Chinese Commies...makes no damn sense.

[patentlymn]

US published doctrine for a long time has been to ID rising powers around the world and weaken them using whatever works. Usually proxies. They are also used to weaken any US perceived enemy. US wants to be the world hegemon everywhere possible.
Names like Wolfowitz and Brzezinski come to mind.

US can interfere with China by backing insurgent groups. I think the US does in Myanmar, Thailand, SW Pakistan. IMO US backed Chechen rebels for years to mess with Russia. The US tries to keep this stuff secret. US backed AQ and ISIS in Syria for regime change goals.

[Syzygy]

US published doctrine for a long time has been to ID rising powers around the world and weaken them using whatever works.
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US can interfere with China by backing insurgent groups.
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If that's the plan,  I think someone forgot to fill Biden, Walz,  Harris,  McConnell,  and a host of sinophiles in Congress in on it.

[patentlymn]

US published doctrine for a long time has been to ID rising powers around the world and weaken them using whatever works.
...

US can interfere with China by backing insurgent groups.
...

If that's the plan,  I think someone forgot to fill Biden, Walz,  Harris,  McConnell,  and a host of sinophiles in Congress in on it.

They do not attack China directly but mess with their projects in other countries. There is no shortage of pissed off people in the world. Just  send them arms and money.  Somebody used to pay for the Uighur terrorists. Dunno who.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/gunmen-kill-20-miners-injure-7-in-pakistans-balochistan-attack-police-101728616311204.html
Gunmen kill 20 miners, injure 7 in Pakistan's Balochistan

[Syzygy]

US published doctrine for a long time has been to ID rising powers around the world and weaken them using whatever works.
...

US can interfere with China by backing insurgent groups.
...

If that's the plan,  I think someone forgot to fill Biden, Walz,  Harris,  McConnell,  and a host of sinophiles in Congress in on it.

They do not attack China directly but mess with their projects in other countries. There is no shortage of pissed off people in the world. Just  send them arms and money.  Somebody used to pay for the Uighur terrorists. Dunno who.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/gunmen-kill-20-miners-injure-7-in-pakistans-balochistan-attack-police-101728616311204.html
Gunmen kill 20 miners, injure 7 in Pakistan's Balochistan

So these ragheads kill a few Chinese over the years and your automatic go-to is "Gotta be funded by the U.S."

In 2004, BLA began a violent struggle against Pakistan for self-determination for the Baloch people and the separation of Balochistan from Pakistan, conducting terror attacks against non-Baloch minorities in Balochistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balochistan_Liberation_Army

The U.S. has been prodding Pakistan to do more about ridding their country of these terrorists since shortly after we invaded Afghanistan.  I remember seeing a report from back than of a Pakistani military officer where he said how difficult it was to locate and eradicate them once they come into a major city in Paki to do their terrorist shtick. 
Also saw another report back then about a valley in Waziristan where a lot of these terrorists were holed up and where they gave the Taliban a safe haven after their being driven out of Afghanistan.  These folks are so bloodthirsty and batshiite crazy they make ISIS look like a bunch of pikers.
Their fight is with the Pakistani government,  not the Chinese.
As to who might be funding them,  like Libertas said, we have no interest in destabilizing Pakistan,  quite the opposite,  in fact.  It is in our best interest to support their efforts to destroy these terrorists.  If China wants to get in on the act,  so much the better--better them than us--but I hope they're prepared to pay a price for their imperialistic efforts. 

[patentlymn]

I have no idea what the US goals are in Pakistan. Some congressman made a speech calling for supporting the Baluchistan separatists. I have no idea if the US funds them. SW Pakistan is where China is building stuff. Maybe ports. pipelines. China wants to bypass the straits bc the US subs can sink their ships. IMO if US can weaken China there they will. The US already accomplished a low effort regime change in Pakistan bc the old govt wanted to be neutral on Ukraine. There was a leaked document.

The US arms crazies all the time. Whether good or bad is a matter of opinion. At first the idea that US was arming crazies in Syria was a conspiracy theory. Then we were only arming "moderate rebels" and one crazy group rebranded as the "Free Syrian Army." The Syrian crazies were paid for by US, Turkey, and maybe Saudis to mess with Assad.  Later someone in CIA complained that 1 dollar of every 13 in CIA budget went to Syria.

The CIA paid a crazy, the Blind Sheikh, to mess with somebody somewhere. He planned the WTC truck bombing while on CIA payroll in NJ.

The US and others armed crazies in Libya to take down the govt.

[patentlymn]

I did not invent this stuff I just learned about late in life I asked chatgpt to summarize The Grand Chessboard
Book by Zbigniew Brzezinski. US body bags are bad PR so we hire crazies often in secret. It would be nice if they advanced US citizen interests.

"The Grand Chessboard" by Zbigniew Brzezinski explores the geopolitical landscape of Eurasia and its significance to global power dynamics. Brzezinski argues that the United States must maintain its dominant position in the world by focusing on Eurasia, which he views as the central stage for political and economic competition. He discusses the importance of regional players and the necessity for the U.S. to engage diplomatically and strategically with various nations to prevent any single power from dominating the region. The book emphasizes the interplay between geopolitics, strategy, and the future of global governance, outlining how U.S. foreign policy should adapt to emerging challenges and opportunities in a rapidly changing world.

How do you "prevent any single power from dominating the region"?  Cause them problems. Say Russia? Arm the crazies in Chechnya who are pissed off? The west has been sponsoring seminars on how to "decolonize" Russia and split them up into 5 countries. The current EU FM has proposed just that recently in public.

How about China? Do regime change in neighboring friendly  countries?  Undermine the belt and road where possible? Thailand? Myanmar? 

summarize the wolfowitz doctrine
The Wolfowitz Doctrine, articulated by Paul Wolfowitz in a 1992 Defense Planning Guidance paper, outlines a strategic vision for U.S. foreign policy. Key elements include:

    Preventing the Rise of a Rival: The U.S. should maintain its military dominance to prevent any other nation from becoming a superpower that could challenge American hegemony.

    Promoting Democracy: The doctrine emphasizes the promotion of democratic governance globally, as a means to enhance stability and align with U.S. interests.

    Engagement and Intervention: It advocates for proactive U.S. engagement in global affairs, including military intervention when necessary, to protect American interests and promote a favorable international order.

Overall, the Wolfowitz Doctrine reflects a unilateral approach to U.S. foreign policy, prioritizing American power and influence in a post-Cold War world.

[Libertas]

Well, ya talkin' about Carter's boy...and the other a guy Cheney championed...

Got a problem with that trash?

Stop electing demoscats and cucks!

 

Short of that any discussion is moot.  Though, I would say the goals of Wolfowitz are no different than those of Russia or China.

As always, all I can say is    China!

[patentlymn]

Well, ya talkin' about Carter's boy...and the other a guy Cheney championed...

Got a problem with that trash?

Stop electing demoscats and cucks!

 

Short of that any discussion is moot.  Though, I would say the goals of Wolfowitz are no different than those of Russia or China.

As always, all I can say is    China!

When I say that the US is acting to further those goals people say I am bashing the US. Those goals are out in the open.
Most of the coups and regime change operations in the past 50 plus years have been backed by the US.  Good or bad?
China, not the US, is now biggest trade partner in Latin America. All without firing a shot.

[Libertas]

Well, ya talkin' about Carter's boy...and the other a guy Cheney championed...

Got a problem with that trash?

Stop electing demoscats and cucks!

 

Short of that any discussion is moot.  Though, I would say the goals of Wolfowitz are no different than those of Russia or China.

As always, all I can say is    China!

When I say that the US is acting to further those goals people say I am bashing the US. Those goals are out in the open.
Most of the coups and regime change operations in the past 50 plus years have been backed by the US.  Good or bad?
China, not the US, is now biggest trade partner in Latin America. All without firing a shot.

Because they are in the bribery phase of market penetration...let's see how these nations fare as their people realize they've been had and their jobs transition out...

Could be shots then...

[patentlymn]

Watch the Inside China Business guy sometime.
1. US sanction China.
2. China pulls work in house and figures out how to do it better than before
3. US companies are harmed.

[Libertas]

How?  Sanction what?  As opposed to tariffs that work?  Pulls what in-house?

[patentlymn]

He ha several short videos.
Here is a recent one. How people work round sanctions on AI chips.
Can't sell them to China? Sell them to other countries who do what with them?
Sell them to other countries who build server farms who rent computer time to others.
Who are the users? Who knows as all business is done via block chain.


I know/knew a China PhD who lived/lives in Moundsview MN.  He does his materials research on solar materials in China because it is cheaper and better. He goes back and forth. At ACOC I used to follow the ADVChina guys. China is not a sh*thole country.

https://youtu.be/hTMp8YBIMzs

 Chinese companies are going around US semiconductor export bans. So are American companies.
Inside China Business
74.6K subscribers

 
Oct 14, 2024
US-led export bans on high-end semiconductors were intended to slow China's development of their own chip industry.   These restrictions have clearly backfired, as Chinese companies are quickly innovating through chipmaking milestones much faster than anticipated.

The restrictions have also led companies to find creative work-arounds to access chips on the market.  Western companies legally buy the fastest chips and install them on servers, which are then leased to Chinese firms to do cutting-edge work. 

Other approaches involve simply setting up new corporate divisions in China, or relocating existing ones, to place operations beyond the reach of US regulators.

In an ironic twist, market prices for the fastest US-built semiconductors are lower in China than in the US, as fierce competition from Huawei is forcing aggressive price cuts by dealers and cloud servicers.


https://youtu.be/6d2CJrodL98
 CHIPS Act update: Intel runs out of time and money, announces layoffs in US to double down on China
Inside China Business
74.6K subscribers
 
74,741 views  Aug 5, 2024
As Intel and other US chipmakers were claiming billions of dollars in incentives under the CHIPS Act, they were quietly building separate Venture Capital arms to invest billions of dollars into hundreds of Chinese startups.  These partnerships were in the most cutting-edge fields, including Artificial Intelligence, Semiconductors, Edge Computing, Virtual Reality, and Electric Vehicles. 

What's more, investments by Intel's VC arms were in partnership with local Chinese governments.

The US Treasury department is urgently issuing new regulations and guidance to ban US companies from these practices, while also struggling to convince companies in friendly countries to forego billions of dollars in sales and profits in the China market, by far the world's largest.



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