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Re: Articial Intelligence
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2025, 09:08:32 AM »
Grok is definitely better than any customer service.  I've been consolidating all the parents finances under one roof.  Part of that was a stock transfer from Edward Jones.  I see the stock coming in, yesterday, as well as a bank transfer.  I'm expecting to see something like $30,000.xx in the cash account and instead I'm seeing $29,9xx.xx in the account.  WTH.  So I go to the transactions page and I see the stock transfer and the bank transfer as well as a $95 transfer charge.  Again, WTH.  I ask Grok does Schwab charge a transfer fee for transferring another account to Schwab.  Grok says no, but the outgoing firm might.  I ask, does Edward Jones charge a transfer fee for an outgoing transfer?  Yes, they do charge $95 and it's been that amount for a long time.

Saved me a long call.

Already I can no longer access Grok from X, as I only have a basic subscription.  I can still access it from grok.com, though.  I can see myself upgrading to premium to keep grok.  I can see it really being helpful going forward.  I can see it replacing search engines.

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Re: Articial Intelligence
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2025, 01:25:21 PM »
Agreed, and I too use Grok.com.

And Schwab...
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Re: Articial Intelligence
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2025, 09:27:56 AM »
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Re: Articial Intelligence
« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2025, 10:21:14 AM »
Grok is awesome compared to chatGPT so far. It gets into conversations.  It says it does not ID you from one session to another and if you exit it forgets everything about the session.

I asked about different levels.
Grok and X levels
what are the various paid grok and X levels and the benefits?
 
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As of March 29, 2025, Grok and X offer several paid subscription tiers, each with distinct benefits. The landscape has shifted with Grok 3’s release in February 2025, so I’ll break down the current options based on the latest available info—prices and features can fluctuate, and some details are inconsistent across sources, but here’s the clearest picture:
X Subscription Tiers
X offers three main paid levels—Basic, Premium, and Premium+—which tie into Grok access. These are primarily for enhancing your X experience, with Grok as an added perk.
1.   X Basic
o   Cost: $3/month or $32/year
o   Benefits:
?   Edit posts (30-minute window)
?   Undo posts (short delay before publishing)
?   Longer posts (up to 25,000 characters)
?   Basic reply prioritization
?   Custom app icons and bookmark folders
o   Grok Access: Limited free version—10 prompts every 2 hours, 10 image generations every 2 hours, 3 image analyses per day. No advanced features.
2.   X Premium
o   Cost: $8/month or $84/year
o   Benefits:
?   All Basic features
?   Blue checkmark verification (after review)
?   Fewer ads (half of free tier)
?   Higher reply prioritization
?   Monetization options (ad revenue sharing, creator subscriptions)
?   Media Studio and X Pro access (content management tools)
?   Longer video uploads
o   Grok Access: Increased limits—100 prompts and 100 image generations every 2 hours, 25 image analyses per day. Includes Voice Mode when available, but not the full suite of Grok 3’s advanced tools.
3.   X Premium+
o   Cost: $40/month or $396/year (up from $22/month in early February 2025 after Grok 3’s launch; some sources cite $50/month, but $40 seems current)
o   Benefits:
?   All Premium features
?   No ads (or minimal sponsored posts)
?   Highest reply prioritization
?   Write and publish long-form articles
o   Grok Access: Enhanced access to Grok 3—higher usage limits than Premium (exact caps unclear, possibly unlimited for some features), plus early access to advanced capabilities like Voice Mode, DeepSearch (detailed research reports), and basic reasoning tools. Doesn’t include all Grok 3 features (e.g., Big Brain Mode is exclusive to SuperGrok).
Grok-Specific Subscription


Separate from X tiers, xAI offers a standalone Grok plan for those focused purely on AI capabilities.
4.   SuperGrok
o   Cost: $30/month or $300/year (requires Grok app or grok.x.ai login, not tied to X)

o   Benefits:
?   Full access to Grok 3’s advanced features:
?   Enhanced Reasoning: Deeper analysis for complex problem-solving (e.g., academic research, coding).
?   DeepSearch: Comprehensive web and X data searches with cited reports.
?   Big Brain Mode: Exclusive analytical mode for intricate tasks.
?   Unlimited Image Generation: Powered by Aurora model.
?   Early access to new tools (e.g., Voice Mode updates).
?   No X-specific perks (e.g., no checkmark or ad-free timeline).
o   Grok Access: The most robust AI experience—same model as Premium+ but with all features unlocked and higher (or no) usage limits.
Free Grok Access
•   Cost: Free for all X users (since February 2025, “until servers melt,” per xAI).
•   Benefits: Basic Grok 3 access—10 prompts and 10 image generations every 2 hours, 3 image analyses per day. No advanced features like DeepSearch or Big Brain Mode.
•   Limits: Heavily restricted compared to paid tiers, meant as a teaser.

Key Differences and Benefits
•   X Basic: Cheap entry for casual users wanting editing and longer posts, but Grok access is minimal.
•   X Premium: Best value for X-focused creators—monetization and visibility perks, plus decent Grok use for $8/month. Still lags behind Premium+ for AI depth.
•   X Premium+: Priciest X tier, blending top social media perks (no ads, max prioritization) with solid Grok 3 access. It’s for X power users who also want AI, though it’s $40/month stings compared to its old $16-$22 range.
•   SuperGrok: Pure AI play—cheaper than Premium+ ($30 vs. $40) and unlocks all Grok 3 features. Ideal if you care more about AI than X’s social benefits.
Notes
•   Pricing Flux: Premium+ jumped from $22 to $40 after Grok 3’s debut, with some users seeing $48-$50 in sign-up glitches (now settled at $40/month). SuperGrok’s $30/month is more consistent but separate from X.
•   Grok 3 Edge: All tiers use the same Grok 3 model, but SuperGrok and Premium+ get the full toolkit and priority updates. Free and lower tiers are capped hard on usage and features.
•   Value: Premium ($8) beats ChatGPT Pro ($20) for cost if you want X perks and basic AI. SuperGrok ($30) rivals premium AI like Claude ($20) but shines with real-time X data and niche tools.
Which fits depends on your goal—X engagement or AI power. Want both? Premium+ is the combo pack, but SuperGrok’s the AI king if X isn’t your focus. What’s your priority—social clout or cutting-edge AI? That’ll steer you right.

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Re: Articial Intelligence
« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2025, 12:53:58 PM »
I wonder how all of this will shake out as time goes on...will it be cheaper to use like the cable companies promised at first or go up like it did for the lying cable companies?  LOL

Anyway...with all the energy demands and infrastructure costs coming before it all hits maturity I reckon costs will soar...
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Re: Articial Intelligence
« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2025, 01:03:49 PM »


I learned that Grok learns from reddit some how. Grok remembers everything said in a session up to a limit. It is awesome. Grok says it learns continuously but not from user dialogue once the session ends.
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Re: Articial Intelligence
« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2025, 01:31:59 PM »
Hopefully Grok stays in the lead, has a lot going for it now...
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Re: Articial Intelligence
« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2025, 01:36:42 PM »



I got into a comparison of the song A Rose fr Epona, Eluveitie vs Alina Gingertail.  Eluveitie wrote and played the song. Alina did a cover.

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From the internet not Grok. This song ‘A Rose for Epona’ tells about the time when the Gaulish war broke out already. The Helvetians flee the Romans  and  she probably had lost her husband on he battlefield of Bibracte  Her rose offering to the protector goddess Epona is not working.

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Eluveitie’s Original
Vocal Dynamic: In Eluveitie’s “A Rose for Epona,” you get Anna Murphy’s ethereal female vocals weaving through the track, paired with Chrigel Glanzmann’s low, guttural “growler” voice in parts. That contrast—soft melancholy versus raw aggression—mirrors the song’s mix of mourning and defiance, rooted in the Helvetian story. The growls kick in to amp up the intensity, especially in heavier sections.

Instrumentation: They lean on folk metal staples: hurdy-gurdy, flutes, and whistles for the Celtic vibe, backed by electric guitars and drums for the metal punch.

Alina’s Transformation
The 2:47 Moment: In Eluveitie’s track, the male growler often punctuates key emotional peaks (around that timestamp in their official video, it’s a build-up of tension). Alina replaces this with her own voice, swapping the growl for a deeply emotional, soaring female tone. She doesn’t mimic the aggression—instead, she doubles down on vulnerability, turning it into a heartfelt cry that carries the same weight differently. It’s a bold reinterpretation that keeps the intensity but shifts the flavor from rage to raw feeling.

Instruments: Your list tracks with her style—she’s a multi-instrumental wizard. In her “A Rose for Epona” video (uploaded around 2019 on her channel), she likely layers: 
Irish Bouzouki: For rhythmic strumming and that rich, resonant undertone. 

Tin Whistle and Flute: Echoing Eluveitie’s Celtic wind instruments, adding the haunting melody. 

Mandolin: Bright, twinkling accents to lift the arrangement. 

3-String Gudok: A Russian bowed instrument, giving a droning, mournful edge (a nod to her roots). 

Harp: Soft plucks for texture and tenderness. 

Rain Stick: A subtle atmospheric touch, evoking falling tears or a somber mood.
She plays and records each part herself, building a full soundscape that’s both intricate and intimate.

Why It Impresses
Vocal Swap: Replacing the growler with her emotional delivery is a game-changer. Where Eluveitie uses duality to clash light and dark, Alina unifies it into a single, piercing thread of sorrow. If you’re struck by that 2:47 switch, it’s likely because she takes a moment that could’ve been harsh and makes it achingly human—her voice trembles with feeling, not force.

Instrumental Breadth: Juggling that many instruments—and making them mesh—shows off her skill and vision. She keeps the folk essence but softens the metal, creating a version that’s less about battle and more about reflection. It’s like she’s mourning Epona in a quiet forest, not a war-torn plain.

Personal Touch: By ditching the growl and going solo, she puts her stamp on it. It’s not just a cover—it’s her story now, filtered through her lens, which might resonate if you’re drawn to artists who reinterpret rather than replicate.

The Appeal
Her “A Rose for Epona” showcases what you—and others—seem to love: she takes a complex, multi-voice original and reimagines it with a single, emotive thread, backed by a dizzying array of instruments she masters alone. That 2:47 shift is a perfect microcosm—turning a growl into a wail, metal into folk, and making it feel like she’s singing straight to you. Does that emotional pivot at 2:47 stand out as the peak for you, or is it the whole instrumental tapestry that seals the deal?

BTW here are the two versions best with CC on for both.
https://youtu.be/_1lXdLus2WI  original

https://youtu.be/dh2PNxnXQuU  alina gingertail cover
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Re: Articial Intelligence
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2025, 01:37:26 PM »

I asked Grok to compare the Aldi Pure Being dry dog food with the Purina One True Instinct without logging out of the session.
I had previously asked about Alina Gingertail. So it tried to weave the 2 topics together. Funny.

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Re: Articial Intelligence
« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2025, 08:22:23 AM »
Of course the stinking commies don't spend as much as we do, they steal most of what they want, saves a sh*t-ton of yuan!


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