Author Topic: Gun laws (Read 4785 times)

trapeze · « **Reply #20 on:** April 06, 2012, 12:49:56 AM »

The difference here is that there are enough gun owners who would not put up with confiscation of any kind. Any compensation would come in the form of the gun owner compensating the authorities with a few well aimed rounds. The authorities inherently know this and would be rather reluctant ("You go get his guns." "I'm not going up there...you go up there.") to attempt confiscation.

I'm not saying that all gun owners would resist with gun fire but there would be enough who would. Since gun owners in America vastly outnumber law enforcement it would be more than a little ugly for law enforcement.

Besides, they would have to overturn or somehow invalidate the 2nd Amendment. There are enough law enforcement people who wouldn't put up with that. Most gun owners know that the 2nd Amendment is the teeth of the Bill of Rights. Without gun ownership the rest of it is meaningless and unenforceable.

My parents, both Canadians, believed for most of their lives that the 2nd Amendment was stupid. Only in their later years did they realize its significance and value. Being born and raised in the States, I knew this truth instinctively. I began my gun collection in my early twenties. Both of my children have been trained in the proper and safe use of firearms. Well, actually my daughter is just now starting but she will be fully trained and familiar with firearms before she leaves our home.

I completely believe that our world would be infinitely safer (and profoundly more polite) if everyone owned firearms. For one thing, there would be a lot less (live) murderers, rapists and thieves. And that's what I call true social Darwinism.

Libertas · « **Reply #21 on:** April 06, 2012, 06:53:44 AM »

We have enough on our hands just keeping people on our so-called side of the aisle in line and not giving away the candy store let alone fending off the endless onslaught from the damned leftists...the unhelpfulness and hostility to gun rights by police chiefs and police unions has to be overcome, and I think getting the right people into our county Sheriff offices can help there, and I agree that introducing kids to guns and teaching them safe handling and respect like my generation was taught needs to be re-instituted on a broad scale. Perhaps then succeeding waves of generations can return us back to an America we could recognize.

robins111 · « **Reply #22 on:** April 06, 2012, 07:15:43 AM »

Libertas, its interesting that you brought up the police chiefs as a problem. During the course of the registry battle, it was discovered that the Canadian police chiefs association was receiving massive donations from the software firm which created the registry. This would be the same company which caused the costs to balloon from the original estimates of 2 million to 2 billion. Of course when challenged, they sniveled and whine about how dare we suggest they were unethical. It was so pathetic, that the associations paid ethics advisor resigned. The best way to describe the software boondoggle is to explain that the US has 1o times Canadian population, so multiply everything by 10. For example roughly 200,000 firearms were confiscated, times 10... 2 billion dollars times 10 etc.

Pandora · « **Reply #23 on:** April 06, 2012, 07:29:44 AM »

"Ethics advisor". Doncha love it.

Libertas · « **Reply #24 on:** April 06, 2012, 07:33:10 AM »

Yeah and here, umm, who controls the NCIS? The Fed's right? Not sure who the supporting vendor might be (probably something run by that twerp Perot!), but having the Fed's track gun ownership would have sent the Founders over the edge!

robins111 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 06, 2012, 08:19:44 AM »

The one good thing about the destruction of the long gun registry, is that it gives me a chance for scientific investigation. The one rifle the anti gin nutters hate in Canada, particularly the radical feminists is the Ruger Mini-14. As a matter f scientific curiosity, I've given my youngest daughter a stainless version, then posted this on their websites & blogs. I'm wondering if their heads really will explode...

Pandora · « **Reply #26 on:** April 06, 2012, 08:24:43 AM »

Hide the duct-tape. Only way to find out.

robins111 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 06, 2012, 08:53:05 AM »

Pandora.. your rather dubious expression about the need for an 'ethics advisor' isn't too far off the mark

One of these politically appointed geniuses, had a crew from a major police department scanning the obituary columns, which were then cross referenced to
he gun registry.

It was common for a tactical team to show up to a grieving widows house to collect the guns her husband had registered in his name... real ethical...
I was a member of a sister association, (Canadian Fire Chiefs), and we made it quite plain that we thought they were anal orifices.

Pandora · « **Reply #28 on:** April 06, 2012, 09:13:43 AM »

Quote from: robins111 on April 06, 2012, 08:53:05 AM

Pandora.. your rather dubious expression about the need for an 'ethics advisor' isn't too far off the mark

If you were sitting in the room, you'd have been witness to a full-blown snort.

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One of these politically appointed geniuses, had a crew from a major police department scanning the obituary columns, which were then cross referenced to
he gun registry.

It was common for a tactical team to show up to a grieving widows house to collect the guns her husband had registered in his name... real ethical...
I was a member of a sister association, (Canadian Fire Chiefs), and we made it quite plain that we thought they were anal orifices.

Yeah, real "ethical". Whenever I read about "ethical experts" in any segment of society -- medical "ethicists", for example, who aren't -- I am aware how far we've strayed from knowing right from wrong without the need of an in-house authoritah to tell us.

We keep telling the gun-grabbers here, everytime they start blathering about "gun-violence" presenting a need for stricter laws, that we damn well know full-blown registration is what they intend on their way to outright prohibition, and the answer is not just no, but HELL NO.

The death of TrayVON Martin has brought the hoplophobes out of the woodwork, bloviating about the bad, bad, very bad "Stand Your Ground" laws. These people see the epitome of virtue in a woman raped and strangled with her own pantyhose over one who shot and killed her attacker.

trapeze · « **Reply #29 on:** April 06, 2012, 09:18:50 AM »

I love my Ruger Ranch Rifle and it's little brother the 10/22.

Pandora · « **Reply #30 on:** April 06, 2012, 09:29:51 AM »

I keep saying if I had my way, I'd make a practice of carrying my M1 Carbine everywhere.

robins111 · « **Reply #31 on:** April 06, 2012, 09:53:22 AM »

Pandora, to tell you how dumb the bill c68 was, they banned the ownership of m1 carbines because the barrels aretoo short. There was a real gunsmith feeding frenzy for a couple of years with rebarreling to meet the 18.5 inch law. Now interestingly we can legally buy and own, 12gauge pumps with 12 or 14 inch barrels with collapsing stocks..

Pandora · « **Reply #32 on:** April 06, 2012, 09:57:42 AM »

Quote from: robins111 on April 06, 2012, 09:53:22 AM

Pandora, to tell you how dumb the bill c68 was, they banned the ownership of m1 carbines because the barrels aretoo short. There was a real gunsmith feeding frenzy for a couple of years with rebarreling to meet the 18.5 inch law. Now interestingly we can legally buy and own, 12gauge pumps with 12 or 14 inch barrels with collapsing stocks..

Too short for what? It's not like ya can hide one in yer coat! (Okay, I can't hide one in MY coat.)

Idiots.

robins111 · « **Reply #33 on:** April 06, 2012, 10:21:17 AM »

You're preaching to the choir Pandora.. none of the laws made logical sense... for example they banned all handguns of 32 caliber.. because they could only be used for self defense... when it was pointed out that women would generally like a smaller handgun, due to size... the rad-fems insisted that the laws would protect them.... now spend some time researching the UN crime stats, you'll find that Canada is number 3 in the world for reported violent crimes in 2009. Many of the crimes are sexual assaults.

Glock32 · « **Reply #34 on:** April 06, 2012, 10:46:01 AM »

You can never expect anything close to logic or coherency in anti-gun legislation, mainly because the lot of it is predicated on a lie. The lie is that it's not meant to deny decent and law abiding people firearms for personal use, when that is exactly the goal in mind.

Does Canada still restrict magazine capacity? We had 10 years of that nonsense here, from 1994-2004. I remember buying a few pre-ban Glock magazines for over $50 each, and that was considered a steal. Now the same magazines are again available for under $20. I'm not complaining.

Registration is absolutely a precursor to confiscation. I do worry that we have a de facto registration, because gun dealers are required to maintain copies of the Form 4473 filled out when a customer purchases a firearm. If the dealer closes his business, those records must be surrendered to the ATF. It's not exactly the same as a database searchable in real time, but it's close enough. This was even a plot element in the film Red Dawn.

robins111 · « **Reply #35 on:** April 06, 2012, 10:54:38 AM »

Glock, 10 rounds for handguns, and 5 for semi rifles... possession of anything else is a criminal offense.. however, they generally have no problems with 30 rnd rifle mads, pinned with an aluminum pop rivet to 5.. you just gotta laugh... rifles like lee-enfields, win 94s etc are fine.

Libertas · « **Reply #36 on:** April 06, 2012, 11:32:17 AM »

Quote from: Pandora on April 06, 2012, 09:29:51 AM

I keep saying if I had my way, I'd make a practice of carrying my M1 Carbine everywhere.

There ought to be nothing preventing it!

But then the Obama Regime still has that

ban in place preventing to reimportation of Korean War M1's & 1911's!

Once we get that jackass out I better be able to get my hands on some of this vintage Americana!

robins111 · « **Reply #37 on:** April 06, 2012, 11:50:57 AM »

Libertas... we've been watching that Korean thing pretty close... there's a huge interest in the M1 Garands and a lesser in the carbines... another thing coming up is the Canadian army dumping the Browning Hi-powers in the near future... apparently some bureaucrats in Ottawa thought they'd send them to the shredder, till we got the minister aside and pointed out how stunned that was...

Libertas · « **Reply #38 on:** April 06, 2012, 12:04:19 PM »

Yeah, got a stay on top of these clowns, that's for sure.

robins111 · « **Reply #39 on:** April 06, 2012, 12:36:04 PM »

One of the implications of the destruction of the Canadian long gun registry is as follows. The United Nations treaty on small arms has used the Canadian registry as a poster child for over a decade. One of the major players in the UN scheme is an organization called IANSA... the international action network on small arms... the founders of this organization are Wendy Cukier and a guy named George Soros. They have been able to posit that the implementation of this system wouldn't cause damage and use Canada as an example. Wendy, was also instrumental in setting up the South African registry/legislation system which resulted in a 200% increase in violent crime. Pretoria is now rape central in the African continent with approximately 30% of the female population indicating sexual assaults. Wendy recently lost another attempt at setting up a gun control/confiscation scheme in Brazil, where a popular referendum defeated their project.

The conservative government of Canada has stated that they will not be a signatory to any small arms treaty that doesn't exempt sporting firearms. When asked what designations sporting ment, minister John Baird stated that the Canadian sorting community would decide that. Until recently IANSA received grant funding from the government, with other levels of funding going to various gun control groups in Canada. It is my understanding that this either has or wil soon be terminated. George Soros and his various left wing causes are now in deep poopy as far as Canada is concerned, due to his interference in the oil extraction and pipelines in our country.

While I suspect that the next presidential election in the US will change thing, be advised that your SecoState has indicated that she will sign the un amendedt small arms treaty. My personal feeling re your government is... you gotta change it right sharply.