Topic: Ammo Shortages

[Libertas]

Gander & WalMarts a complete bust this morning.  

I like Trap's offer, and we should extend it to other items we may want to provide others who may be interested in such.

We should put a sticky thread in the Member News section where people can list items and then people with them can PM people and arrange delivery and payment.  (As for the latter PayPal would work)

I'd be interested in a brick of .22LR but my need maybe is not as high as others.  With the acquisition of the (overpriced) Fiocchi I got I do have some to plink with, but I will be looking to acquire more to plink with as well as to potentially provide others like Trap is doing.

Sound like a plan?

[ChrstnHsbndFthr]

Cheaper than Dirt now has .22 for $150 per brick. That strikes me as RIDICULOUS.

[Libertas]

Cheaper than Dirt now has .22 for $150 per brick. That strikes me as RIDICULOUS.

$30/bx, and it says .22 long (not long rifle).    Only 29 grain!

[Glock32]

Cheaper than Dirt now has .22 for $150 per brick. That strikes me as RIDICULOUS.

A brick, as in 500 rounds? We are living in some Alice in Wonderland times.

[Libertas]

Cabelas has 40gr Eley (Rem) .22 LR LFNs going for $18/50.  That's pretty rank.  Not sure of the quality either.

I might go out to Fleet Farm, see what is available,what the heck I can't sit around here all damn day!

7.62x54 seems available here and there, only way I can shoot that is if I get a Mosin-Nagant, Cabelas looks like they still have some of the Ukraine units left.  Funny, all the exotic stuff is available...I can't get common stuff but if I had something that shot 500 Nitro or 338 Lapua I'd be fine.

 

[Glock32]

You should get a Mosin-Nagant. It's been successfully used in compelling social work since 1891.

[Libertas]

I might have to.

Speaking of social work...

Just got back from Fleet Farm, I felt like a true victim of socialism as I stood there with a few other people staring at near completely empty shelves.

I can't imagine decades and generations spent in like fashion.

Of course for them it wasn't wanting ammo, that and the things that they are used in were confiscated long ago, it was just stuff like food.

Our Leftists are working on it though, have no doubt!

[trapeze]

Walmart's delivery just came in about an hour ago. Ammo will hit the floor an hour from now. I will be there.

EDIT: Waiting...

[trapeze]

Damn. No .22 at all. I felt lucky to get something that I could at least use, though. I got three boxes of Winchester .38 Special JHP. Just about everything else they had was that steel case Russian stuff (Tula was the brand, I think). They had 7.62x39, .223, .380, 5.56, all 20/box so not exactly worth waiting around for. I have tried the steel cased .380 and had loading issues and the .223 steel case won't eject from my AR.

The Winchester JHPs were 50/box so that was something. Oh, and they were priced at $24.47/box. But no damned .22LR to speak of. Very disappointing.

Sorry, guys...I gave it a try.

[Predator Don]

Found 3 boxes of 9 mm today....stopped by a gun shop I normally don't visit because of the distance. Still need 22's.

[trapeze]

I am pulling an all night painting project and ran out of that overpriced blue masking tape so I went back to the Walmart for it. While there I checked the ammo just to make sure they weren't bullsh*tting me about what came in. They weren't. They had actually put the stuff in the case. All of the Tula 5.56 was gone. About half the .223 was left. Most of the .380 was still there. I didn't notice the Tula 9mm when I was there a few hours ago but it was in the case...maybe 8 boxes of 20 rounds.

One other thing...while I was waiting for the stuff several hours ago someone else who was also waiting said that a store clerk had told him that they hadn't had any .22LR in weeks. That would correspond to the batch I last bought.

Maybe I will pass a Walmart late at night/early in the morning on the way back to CO.

[IronDioPriest]

Now would be a good time for expansion of the ammo industry.

[AlanS]

Now would be a good time for expansion of the ammo industry.

Expansion takes time. They may be thinking the panic will be over before the expansion is completed. Instead they just work more shifts with what they have.

[Glock32]

Now would be a good time for expansion of the ammo industry.

Expansion takes time. They may be thinking the panic will be over before the expansion is completed. Instead they just work more shifts with what they have.

That, plus the regulatory parasites have probably made it nearly impossible. They're going to attack the gun culture from every direction they can.

Now what I do think should happen is that all the foreign manufacturers should devote their production capacity to the US market. They can cash in while demand is high, then if it settles back down they can return to their balanced exports. Maybe they've done this already, but it doesn't seem like it. We should have shiploads of it coming in. I'd even buy Russian stuff.^*


* I've always been fine with their stuff in ComBloc weapons, but not Western weapons. I am now prepared to relax a bit on that.

[trapeze]

I would have no problem with Russian or Chinese steel case ammo except that I have. Loading and extraction problems on two separate weapons with two different calibers is enough for me to avoid it. Which is too bad since the stuff is super cheap, comparatively speaking, that is.

[Glock32]

Yeah that's too bad. The AR seems to be the most finicky about it. A pretty good explanation of what happens with it in this video:

The Truth About Wolf Ammo


The popular theory that it's the lacquer or polymer coating melting and gumming up the chamber is totally false. The lacquer won't melt even with a blow torch. It basically comes down to the fact that steel doesn't form as good of a gas seal as brass, and allows more gas blow-by. That causes carbon build up in the chamber and is especially a problem when a brass case round (which forms a nice tight seal to the chamber walls) is fired after the steel case stuff. I would guess you could monkey around with the gas pressure and find a sweet spot where the steel case stuff became more reliable, but might not be worth the effort.

I'm willing to try it in my pistols, since those are just recoil operated. For gas operated weapons, I'll limit its use to the homegrown weapons like the AK and SKS.

[John Florida]

  I got lucky today at Walmart,I got my hands on 400 rounds of .40 bringing my stash up to 1650 rounds and they had 200 rounds of .380 and I don't own a .380 but I have a guy at work who may want to swap it for either .22 or 9mm that I may be able to use if my other buddy sells me the PX4 storm subcompact that he got at a very good deal.

  The subcompact is for my daughter but she doesn't know,It's a surprise.

 This is what it's come to,three and four way deals to get to where I need to go. Shyt it's a lot of work to sell everybody on it.

[Predator Don]

  I got lucky today at Walmart,I got my hands on 400 rounds of .40 bringing my stash up to 1650 rounds and they had 200 rounds of .380 and I don't own a .380 but I have a guy at work who may want to swap it for either .22 or 9mm that I may be able to use if my other buddy sells me the PX4 storm subcompact that he got at a very good deal.

  The subcompact is for my daughter but she doesn't know,It's a surprise.

 This is what it's come to,three and four way deals to get to where I need to go. Shyt it's a lot of work to sell everybody on it.

Right now....I'm buying ammo as I can....even if I do not own a weapon to shoot the purchased ammo. I can buy a gun.

[trapeze]

Good for you, JF. Well done.

[Libertas]

I take it the daughter does not read the forum...no beans spilt?      

PS for Don - That is probably not a bad direction to go under these circumstances!