Topic: Secretary of State John Kerry Poised to Commit Treason and Sign UN Arms Treaty

[OldSailor]

What I don't get is why these politicians think they are even allowed to give away our Constitutional rights.    Where in the constitution does it say an individual can give away constitutional rights?  That's right,,,,, their isn't.   No government employee can change that.

Kerry doesn't have the right to even sign this treaty if it violates the US Constitution.    He should know better but doesn't or is ignoring it on propose. 

Thankfully the Senate will probably void it,  but it shouldn't be necessary.   He shouldn't have signed it to begin with.

If it ever comes to the Senate and ratification is voted down it does NOT disappear, the treaty remains signed but unratified and can be submitted to the Senate again later for another ratification attempt, and again and again and again until it is ratified.  Then it STAYS ratified, there is no Constitutional way I am aware of to "unratify" a treaty. 

[John Florida]

What I don't get is why these politicians think they are even allowed to give away our Constitutional rights.    Where in the constitution does it say an individual can give away constitutional rights?  That's right,,,,, their isn't.   No government employee can change that.

Kerry doesn't have the right to even sign this treaty if it violates the US Constitution.    He should know better but doesn't or is ignoring it on propose. 

Thankfully the Senate will probably void it,  but it shouldn't be necessary.   He shouldn't have signed it to begin with.

If it ever comes to the Senate and ratification is voted down it does NOT disappear, the treaty remains signed but unratified and can be submitted to the Senate again later for another ratification attempt, and again and again and again until it is ratified.  Then it STAYS ratified, there is no Constitutional way I am aware of to "unratify" a treaty.

 I'm no expert but isn't there something called nomalization?

[warpmine]

Nation throughout history have withdrawn from signed treaties and we've done that ourselves with threats to do more when it's in our best interests. Basically all that's needed is to give intent and carry it out.

[Libertas]

Nations can withdraw from a treaty simply by giving notice, if there are nation specific actions beyond that to be processed internally that could vary, but if these clowns wrote this as a "human rights" treaty typically exclude withdrawal...I'm betting these clowns went that route.  It is bad enough having an asshole regime like ours sign the rancid thing when big arms exporters like China & Russia are abstaining...any Senate ratifying this atrocity is declaring war upon us citizens and should be stormed by angry patriots.

[OldSailor]

Nations can withdraw from a treaty simply by giving notice, if there are nation specific actions beyond that to be processed internally that could vary, but if these clowns wrote this as a "human rights" treaty typically exclude withdrawal...I'm betting these clowns went that route.  It is bad enough having an asshole regime like ours sign the rancid thing when big arms exporters like China & Russia are abstaining...any Senate ratifying this atrocity is declaring war upon us citizens and should be stormed by angry patriots.

I think the UN assclowns wrote this treaty to exclude withdrawal and in such a way that it takes effect when "X" number of nations sign it under the assumption it becomes "International Law." 

It's the same kind of crap they use to justify threatening US nationals inside the US with arrest and prosecution under the International Criminal Court even though the US (to my knowledge) never signed on to it.

[Libertas]

Nations can withdraw from a treaty simply by giving notice, if there are nation specific actions beyond that to be processed internally that could vary, but if these clowns wrote this as a "human rights" treaty typically exclude withdrawal...I'm betting these clowns went that route.  It is bad enough having an asshole regime like ours sign the rancid thing when big arms exporters like China & Russia are abstaining...any Senate ratifying this atrocity is declaring war upon us citizens and should be stormed by angry patriots.

I think the UN assclowns wrote this treaty to exclude withdrawal and in such a way that it takes effect when "X" number of nations sign it under the assumption it becomes "International Law." 

It's the same kind of crap they use to justify threatening US nationals inside the US with arrest and prosecution under the International Criminal Court even though the US (to my knowledge) never signed on to it.

Time to burn that UN building to the ground...they can convene in beautiful Beijing and enjoy the highest air quality standards to be found in a leftist nation...

 

[OldSailor]

Time to burn that UN building to the ground...they can convene in beautiful Beijing and enjoy the highest air quality standards to be found in a leftist nation...

 

Or move it to Port-au-Prince in Haiti where the crooks will really be appreciated.   

[Libertas]

Time to burn that UN building to the ground...they can convene in beautiful Beijing and enjoy the highest air quality standards to be found in a leftist nation...

 

Or move it to Port-au-Prince in Haiti where the crooks will really be appreciated.   

True, but we have to be somewhat realistic and find a place they could actually be convinced is a swell idea...since all signs point to China inheriting the "sole superpower" status, why not encourage the UNer's to beat the rush?