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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1620 on: August 01, 2023, 08:04:37 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/more-warmongers-elevated-biden-administration

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1621 on: August 02, 2023, 10:07:56 AM »
Russian state news agency RIA said the port and grain infrastructure hit at the port was housing foreign mercenaries and military hardware and a naval ship repair yard had also been targeted. Reuters was not able to verify the report.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-hits-port-grain-silo-ukraines-odesa-region-official-2023-08-02/

Crippling the grain infrastructure was intended collateral damage...and the Russians know it...always true of anybody's collateral damage...people know the risks, they say eff it and do it anyway.  SSDD
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1622 on: August 02, 2023, 12:17:16 PM »
Blowing the ports might have been the intended reason.
RU alleged that Kiev was using the ports to store weapons as they were considered safe under the grain deal.
RU also alleged that Kiev was launching the maritime drones from the ports. Also using boats from the ports to launch drones.
Someone said that blowing the ports looks better than sinking grain ships.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1623 on: August 02, 2023, 02:16:49 PM »
Depends on your point of view...reckon people elsewhere on the globe starving have one opinion...though elites everywhere value their opinions the least and only want to exploit them...they get screwed the most...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1624 on: August 03, 2023, 08:20:03 AM »
There is so much BS on all sides of this sh*t-show it isn't funny...

If you listen to the reviled anti-elitist Western experts Russia is crushing Ukraine and Ukraine is ready to collapse...

Then you see stuff like this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-begins-arming-citizen-volunteers-hard-hit-belgorod-border-region

...the Russians have a funny interpretation of "nearing collapse"...

...and, if Ukraine is clearly near collapse...well, since only one side in this started and continues the loose nuke talk (yes, Russia, sorry)...if Russia is about to lose they'll nuke and if Ukraine is about to loose and/or FJB is about to be politically defeated, they'll nuke...well, the "experts" saying Ukraine is near collapse must indicate nukes being released is right around the corner...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1625 on: August 03, 2023, 02:00:16 PM »
Douglas Macgregor did some recent pithy talks on globalism. He said globalists hate Russia the same way they hate US citizens. They want to destroy the national identity of both.

Soros wrote some article around 2016(?) saying that he wanted to tear Russia apart and the best way was to use western technology and eastern European manpower as the US and western Europe did not have the stomach for all the body bags.

Then there was the 209(?) RAND paper detailing on how  to "ever extend Russia" where the best way was using Ukraine.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1626 on: August 04, 2023, 11:20:01 AM »
Ahh...paranoia, how could I have forgotten that?!

https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-08-03-putin-private-armies-protection-wagner-soldiers.html

Offsetting private military cadre with, ahh, umm...more private military cadres...

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1627 on: August 07, 2023, 09:50:07 AM »
Alarmist pantywaists...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-dispatches-warships-after-china-russia-sent-huge-naval-flotilla-near-alaska

Huge?  No.  Significant show of force in modern terms, sure.  We do exercises, they show up with whatever response...they do exercises, we show up with whatever response...

This shizzle goes on all the time.

That being said...given tensions, all it takes is for one idiot to make a mistake...

But that has been true every year after 1945...

Meanwhile, back in Europe...

The Suwa?ki Gap has been a vulnerable point of access a long damn time...



...plus, it has the added value of being obvious...which a savvy field commander should know how to exploit.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1628 on: August 07, 2023, 12:32:00 PM »

 I saw headlines about Wagner being close to Polish border.
Then I heard it was a big nothing as they have no armor, artillery, or air support.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1629 on: August 07, 2023, 12:34:41 PM »
The crowd is chanting "Hang the Moscovite!" They certainly get off on this sort of stuff.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/58249
And this is still 2013. There has been no return of Crimea and the Russian Spring has not yet begun. Western Ukraine.
And yes, what you see is the usual methods of propaganda with masses of people.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1630 on: August 07, 2023, 04:54:43 PM »

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/make-peace-you-fools/


Douglas Macgregor
Aug 1, 2023 1:00 PM
Make Peace, You Fools!

America’s proxy war with Russia has transformed Ukraine into a graveyard.

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Washington discounts Ukrainian losses and exaggerates Russian losses. Officers present at meetings in the Pentagon tell me that minor Ukrainian battlefield successes (that are almost instantly reversed) loom large in the discussions held in four-star headquarters, the White House, and Foggy Bottom. These reports are treated as incontrovertible evidence of inevitable Ukrainian victory. In this climate, staff officers are reluctant to highlight effective Russian military performance or the impact of Russia’s expanding military power.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1631 on: August 08, 2023, 08:08:00 AM »
Just like Hitler and his generals...

That worked out well...

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1632 on: August 08, 2023, 08:38:21 AM »

PL interview with commander of some DPR unit he embedded with in  a longer video.
This version is dubbed into English with subtitles.

https://t.me/southfronteng/37616

Here is the original video toward the end. Just before he interviews the commander. Subtitled not dubbed.
He was near the front, getting shot at and shelled a little. The soldiers and commander are laid back.
Interview at 40:30

He was asked about the attack on the Crimea bridge. He said it is not used to transport military equipment as the land bridge is 500 km shorter. He said maybe Zelensky is upset he no longer receives passive income from his rental property in Crimea. Says now it will take vacationers and extra 2 hours to get to Crimea.

https://youtu.be/WgQKQHPrqUU?t=2332

 Intense Russian Frontline Battle Underfire( Avdeevka Special Report)
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Frontline battle has been increasing across the contact line of the Russian Ukraine war. In this special report I imbed with the Russian Forces (DPR Pitnashka Battalion) on the Avdiivka / Avdeevka frontline just 70 meters from Ukrainian military positions. During our time there we spoke to both Russian mobilization and soldiers from Donetsk who have been fighting against Ukraine for 9 years. Unfortunately we were spotted by a Ukrainian drone that began to assist Ukrainian soldiers in targeting us with Artillery and automatic gunfire.
It was a very close call but we made it out alive to continue to bring you the fact on the ground that the western mainstream media is ignoring.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1633 on: August 08, 2023, 08:52:59 AM »
I linked to 1:44:00. Redacted is not a great show as they seldom add any value to content they poach from people who do the real digging. Here they seem to be paying Patrick Lancaster for good content. Here he goes into how a small Kamikaze FPV drone works with the operator in the field. I have never seen this before. The drone  is small and has some explosive device zip tied to it.

Drone arming at 1:47:30
Drone flys at 1:52:40
https://youtu.be/ACs8y3sRSSg?t=6244
 
 No ONE is ready for what's coming in weeks, it's going to be bad | Redacted with Clayton Morris
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1634 on: August 08, 2023, 09:55:38 AM »
Thing is loud...probably has to work at max to carry the weight...how stupid are people on the ground not hearing that thing come?  It was flying low...if high it could be a lot harder to hear...my nephew & friend have DJ drones...they get close it's hard not to hear...and acoustic detection, AI sky trackers, thermal imagers, IR imagers should be able to detect too...

 ::)

ETA - Maybe time for the back-flipping-hatchet throwers, eh?

https://thepeoplescube.com/download/file.php?id=55974

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1635 on: August 10, 2023, 10:46:13 AM »
Here is the 1993 Soros link. ZH from Jan 2023
First time reading it for me.
It does not directly propose attacking Russia but says that "closed societies" are a threat. I don't agree. IMO closed societies are those that are not for sale to globalists. Why does Soros want them "open"? Nations having enforced borders and not allowing unlimited immigration are not a threat to anyone but the globalists bottom line. Not following LGBTQ+ is not a threat to other countries. Globalism is its own dogma. What he calls "disorder" others call a multi-polar world resulting in BRICS etc.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/george-soros-urged-use-eastern-european-soldiers-reduce-risk-body-bags-nato-countries

https://www.georgesoros.com/1993/11/01/toward-a-new-world-order-the-future-of-nato/

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It is possible to distinguish between open  and closed societies, as Karl Popper did, without any insight into the process of revolutionary change; and it is possible to use my theory of history without introducing the concepts of open and closed societies as I myself have done in my dealings in financial markets. But, at the present moment in history, I find the combination of the two elements particularly revealing.
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Open and Closed Societies

This brings me to the second part of my conceptual framework. To understand the current situation, I contend that it is very useful to draw a distinction between open and closed societies. [IMO BS follows  as globalism is the dogma.]
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Open society is based on the recognition of this principle and closed society on its denial. In a closed society, there is an authority which is the dispenser of the ultimate truth; open society does not recognize such authority even if it recognizes the rule of law and the sovereignty of the state. The state is not based on a dogma and society is not dominated by the state. The government is elected by the people and it can be changed. Above all, there is respect for minorities and minority opinions.
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The Need for Collective Security

We did not oppose the Soviet Union because it was a closed society, but because it posed a threat to our existence. That threat has now disappeared and it is difficult to justify any kind of intervention—whether it is political, economic or military—on the grounds of national self- interest.
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Without a new world order, there will be disorder; that much is clear. But who will act as the world’s policeman? That is the question that needs to be answered.
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The United Nations might have become an effective organization if it were under the leadership of two superpowers cooperating with each other. As it is, the United Nations has already failed as an institution which could be put in charge of U.S. troops. This leaves NATO as the only institution of collective security that has not failed, because it has not been tried. NATO has the potential of serving as the basis of a new world order in that part of the world which is most in need of order and stability. But it can do so only if its mission is redefined. There is an urgent need for some profound new thinking with regard to NATO.
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Therefore, if NATO has any mission at all, it is to project its power and influence into the region, and the mission is best defined in terms of open and closed societies.
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Closed societies based on nationalist principles constitute a threat to security because they need an enemy, either outside or within.
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It would be an express condition of membership in the Partnership for Peace that NATO is free to invite any member country to join NATO.
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 Incidentally, the combination of manpower from Eastern Europe with the technical capabilities of NATO would greatly enhance the military potential of the Partnership because it would reduce the risk of body bags for NATO countries, which is the main constraint on their willingness to act. This is a viable alternative to the looming world disorder.
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That may be unavoidable, but at least there ought to be a unified command. In this respect, NATO offers a better culture than the European Commission which has been put in charge of coordinating economic assistance. The G-7 ought to have developed a command structure for dealing with economic aid to the former Soviet Union, but did not. There is much to be gained from giving the task to the Partnership for Peace.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1636 on: August 10, 2023, 11:25:08 AM »
Words mean things...so said Our Founders.

Definitions of Open and Closed have been blurred bastardized or outright been redefined...

Not the same as free and totalitarian...terms I naturally gravitate to...

IMO totalitarian regimes are the norm now, one can argue over degrees...and there are those special elites most to blame in each nation or what passes for a nation...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1637 on: August 10, 2023, 12:27:28 PM »

I think the Soros paper can be summarized. NATO should be the world's policeman, using western tech and eastern manpower to reduce western body bags. NATO should be used against what he calls "closed" societies as they are a "threat."

Soros says closed societies have dogmas. IMO globalism is a dogma he wants to force on every country using NATO.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1638 on: August 10, 2023, 02:18:58 PM »
All have dogma!!!  All are totalitarian to one degree or another!!!

It's Western globalist socialists, Russian Imperialists, Chinese Communists, Death Cult Theocrats, sundry wanna-be's along with their disparate lackies, stooges, criminals and useful idiots against we the oppressed sane people living under despotic occupation...

They ALL need to be brought down!!!
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1639 on: August 14, 2023, 09:39:29 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-warship-fires-warning-shots-cargo-vessel-seeking-ukraine-port-entry

Found nothing...

Matter of when not if people start firing back...

Oh well, BFD...
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