Topic: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine

[patentlymn]

Interesting. Macgregor talks about an upcoming NATO Black sea exercise.
He says that he heard that perhaps NATO was going to use the exercise to ship arms into Odessa. Each country gets to decide what they will do.

Some US and UK people want to drag NATO into the war directly. Maybe this is the way.

https://youtu.be/xjkwGDtiVU8
 War Games in the Black Sea - Now What? w/ Col Doug Macgregor
Judge Napolitano - Judging Freedom

[Libertas]

Awesome

[patentlymn]

I realize that I have two strong biases.
Status quo and prevention of mass slaughter.
My YT feed informed me that Georgia has 3 autonomous regions. I only knew of 2. These were "autonomous regions" under USSR whatever that means.
I hope that the status quo is maintained and there is no mass slaughter. I don't put white and black hats on anyone there.

Bald and Bankrupt visited an enclave Sokh. What a hot mess. I wish them the status quo and peace.

There were Russians in the Russian empire in the Donbass region east of the Dnieper river. Then there were Russians in the USSR. Lenin drew lines to create "Ukraine"  including the Donbass.  USSR fell. Then US coup put NAZI like factions in Ukr in power. They decided to remove Russian language, education, books and autonomy and later religion from Donbass.  Donbass with Russian help rebelled, in part because of US  installed govt at the time.

[Libertas]

IMO foreign enclaves anywhere are festering camps of non-assimilating invaders looking to overthrow local governments and cultures rather than go back to their native homelands from whence they originated...here/there...no difference...

Back to the war...

Possibly a sub and a landing ship may be destroyed/disabled...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-navy-port-sevastopol-fire-after-massive-ukraine-missile-attack

And the Czar keeps reaching out to upstanding world leaders...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kim-jong-un-toasts-putin-wishing-great-victory-over-enemies

SSDD

[Libertas]

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/weaponized-govt-agencies-dont-wish-good-things-me-musk-blames-biden-admin-ukraine

Yeah, like FJB is going to make an official request to Musk to turn on Starlink over Crimea so the Russian fleet can be sunk...man, that's some A+ trolling right there...  If FJB did that Putin might blast the White House...

[patentlymn]

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/09/zelensky-threatens-to-terrorize-europe.html#more
The Economist published another interview with the Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski.
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Zelenski goes on to threaten, in rather unthankful fashion, those countries which have delivered aid to Ukraine but may want to cut their losses:

    Curtailing aid to Ukraine will only prolong the war, Mr Zelensky argues. And it would create risks for the West in its own backyard. There is no way of predicting how the millions of Ukrainian refugees in European countries would react to their country being abandoned. Ukrainians have generally “behaved well” and are “very grateful” to those who sheltered them. They will not forget that generosity. But it would not be a “good story” for Europe if it were to “drive these people into a corner”.

I have seen such threats from low ranking individuals of the fascist Bandera fringe. They spoke of terrorism they would unleash in the West should it end its support for Ukraine. That the Ukrainian president now reinforces such threats shows how deeply he immersed himself in that mindset.

A previous Economist story shows that Ukraine has already set up the necessary infrastructure to wage a terrorist campaign:

[patentlymn]

A post from somewhere with alleged material from     Zbigniew Brzezinski. Maybe from his Great Chessboard book.


Since Russia and its SloMO quest is always under attack for being too slow, too relaxed and so on, I'll just repost what someone posted somewhere or other

    Zbigniew Brzezinski
    – We cannot let any country’s economic ability to be selfsufficient … means potential military power
    – In order to prevent any country to threaten us militarily, we have to prevent it from developing economically

    (America’s nightmare Brzezinski wrote, was …)
    -If Europa and Russia become prosperous we cannot control them any more, and there will be no reason to have NATO
    – We got to stop Russia, and the place to stop …. is to split (Europa/Russia) down the border of Ukraine
    – Let us support the crazies … as in Afghanistan

    "Brzezinski has no doubt about the Europeans. They are totally defanged, under control, unable to present any actual or potential danger for Anglo-American dominance. They will keep obeying every order against their sovereignty and basic economic interests; they will masochistically strengthen the NATO cage; and they will be progressively and irreversibly weakened to irrelevance and chaos by the well-organized migrations from the South"

So yes, the US does try and prevent anyone anywhere from developing economically, and being allies of the US is downright deadly (Europe). Furthermore, its best to split Europe and Russia down the border of Ukraine by supporting the crazies (NAZIS), and of course blowing up NordStream. So the US doesn't want to win in Ukraine, they just want ruin things for Russia in Europe, and destroy Europe as well because Europeans are stupid, and a potential threat to the US if Europe becomes to strong. Anyway, a scorched earth Europe is best just in case Russia wins, so the more migrations from Africa and MENA into Europe the better.

[Libertas]

I am by no means a fan of ZB, he is Kissinger without the smooth smarter-than-you charm...I seriously doubt he spoke in such terms...that reads like a Code Pink ZeroHedge Russophile bed-wetter's dream narrative to me...

America bad!  Russia savior of Earth!  Pah!  Pure dreck!

Is Europe full of stupid socialist fools?  Well, duh!  They subjugated themselves to the US ever since we saved their asses in a second straight world war...if not for us there would have been no Iron Curtain...all of Europe would be vassals of Russia...they were happy to bitch themselves out so as to not have to spend much on military and plow it all into imbecilic socialist programs without end...that they are f**ked now is not America's fault, it's their own.

I would love to collapse NATO and let those pricks be vassals of the mongrels of the Steppes, see how they like it!

But guess what?  Nothing I want nothing you want nothing anybody wants but what all the assholes running all these countries into the sh*tter want is going to happen, period. 

Everybody can kill everybody...it's really hard to care any longer and ironically may be the only way to get past all their stupidity...if there is anything left...

NMP - Not My Problem...THEIRS!

[patentlymn]

I have read/heard too many others say similar things about Zbigniew Brzezinski. Also Wolfowitz. Also the 2019(?) RAND paper (paid for by  US govt) advocating "over extending " Russia using Ukraine.

The Duran think that many pro western leaders are looking out for their next globalist sinecure (UN, IMF, World Bank, govt funded think tank, etc.), provided they play their cards right,  rather than looking out for the interests of their citizens. Former Finnish PM just went to work at Tony Blair's consulting firm.

https://www.voltairenet.org/article30038.html

Zbigniew Brzezinski: the Empire’s Adviser
The outrageous strategy to destroy Russia
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Zbigniew Brzezinski recommends how Russia should be militarily weakened and intimidated. He is convinced that the best way to achieve it is by destabilizing its border regions, a political strategy that aroused the interest of former presidential candidate John Kerry’s team who recruited his son Mark Brzezinski as its foreign policy adviser.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard
Regarding the landmass of Eurasia as the center of global power, Brzezinski sets out to formulate a Eurasian geostrategy for the United States. In particular, he writes that no Eurasian challenger should emerge that can dominate Eurasia and thus also challenge U.S. global pre-eminence.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-wolfowitz-doctrine-shaped-putin%E2%80%99s-outlook-206225
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The Wolfowitz Doctrine, named after then U.S. under-secretary of defense Paul Wolfowitz, was leaked to The New York Times in 1992. The crux of the policy underscored American supremacy at all costs in a post-Soviet world and “stamping out rivals wherever they may emerge.”

If the Russians can read the above  they might fear NATO that close to Moscow. See also Serbia, Iraq, Libya, Syria. IMO the selling of NATO as a benevolent defensive org is for US domestic consumption.

[Libertas]

Meh, none of that is my problem...   

[patentlymn]

I am not real religious but I know that many people take religion seriously.  I have no idea as to how the Orthodox church selects or trains priests. I recall the new sect was created by the govt in 2018. I recall the US govt was involved, to destabilize the country.  I read that the new sect removed holy relics and sent them to western countries for 'safe keeping' rather than to non Russian orthodox churches in other countries.

I see lots Ukr pagan stuff, even witches. I saw a video of a rave held in a Ukr orthodox church. I recall some pagan weirdness in  churches in 1930s Germany.

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/8655
Kiev authorities have ordered the closure of 74 Orthodox churches in the capital

A document signed by the capital's mayor, Vitaliy Klitschko, has been published today on the website of the Kiev city council, depriving Kiev's Orthodox sanctuaries of their right to use land on the grounds that they are allegedly linked to the Moscow Patriarchate.

Some are to be declared illegally built and demolished.

[patentlymn]

So, the international relations people said that the US should keep Russia and China apart. Instead, the anti RU sanctions and the likely anti China sanctions and possible future blockade drove them together to make each mostly sanctions proof.

There is some strange phrase like "earth island" or "center earth" that if allowed, would rule the world according to theory.

update

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard
Regarding the landmass of Eurasia as the center of global power, Brzezinski sets out to formulate a Eurasian geostrategy for the United States. In particular, he writes that no Eurasian challenger should emerge that can dominate Eurasia and thus also challenge U.S. global pre-eminence.

https://t.me/EurasianChoice/29741
https://www.rt.com/business/582907-china-russia-far-east-logistics-hub/

 China announces massive cross-border project with Russia
A large fuel storage terminal will be built in the Far East, says Xuanyuan Group CEO 
China announces massive cross-border project with Russia
©  Sputnik/Alexandr Kryazhev

China’s Xuanyuan Group Industrial Development plans to build a massive logistics hub in the Amur Region in Russia’s Far East, as freight turnover between the two countries has more than doubled over the past year, the group’s CEO, Hailong Xue, has told RT.   

The project is one of several deals the Chinese industrial group has clinched with Russian investors on the sidelines of the Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok, and will offer equal opportunities for Russian and Chinese companies to participate in it.   

The hub will be located between the city of Tongjiang in China’s Heilongjiang province and the town of Nizhneleninskoye and is designed to facilitate Russia-China cargo transfers.   

“The location of this hub is very important as it will be right between our borders. There is a narrow stretch between our frontiers which makes cargo transfer rather problematic. But, with our project, we estimate that freight transportation will reach 10 million tons annually,” Hailong said. He expects cargo traffic between Russia and China to increase fourfold in the next few years.   


Nizhneleninskoye
Nizhneleninskoye is a rural locality in Leninsky District of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. Located on the Amur River, Nizhneleninskoye is the location for the Tongjiang-Nizhneleninskoye railway bridge which crosses over the river to China, joining it by a railway bridge to Tongjiang in Heilongjiang Province.Wikipedia

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Nizhneleninskoye&t=newext&atb=v305-1&ia=web&iaxm=about

[Libertas]

The Russian Orthodox Church has also been subservient to the Russian leader - Czar, General Secretary, President, whatever...even when they were carted off to gulag or murdered...

And if ZB or any other globalist tool thinks Eurasia is worth igniting the planet over...well, it's too bad tar/feather/rail is no longer a thing...

And I'm back to not GAFF again... 

[Libertas]

In other news FWIW...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/biden-names-multi-billionaire-heiress-obama-mega-donor/

   Illuminati twit won't get the chance to rebuild Ukraine in the New World Order labor camp model if it is all in ashes!

As bitter a pill as it would be to swallow, such consideration may reveal that pursuing a negotiated end to the war, with the best deal for Kyiv as possible, could be the path that best secures American and NATO interests.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/message-lt-colonel-retired-usarmy-daniel-davis/

I disagree with him for the above, not the bias...

Anybody who thinks the Demonic globalist cabal will render the planet to a lifeless smolder cinder than let Russia walk away with anything is beyond insane.  There will be no peace under these despots, no reconstruction...there will just be ashes.

As for this...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/half-million-dead-ukraine-fires-all-its-deputy/

...more will die, all if necessary.  All current participants and puppetmasters demand it.

[Libertas]

Another day passes...

"No matter what it says, it [the US] controls this war, it supplies weapons, munition, intelligence information, data from satellites, it is pursuing a war against us,"

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-united-states-war-against-us

Sounds like the next phase of hostilities is going to commence...how unexpected...

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Woke Milley and the moron Stoltenburg talk peace and war...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/milley-stoltenberg-agree-we-must-prepare-ourselves-long-war-ukraine

...and one takes precedence over the other...

All sides hardening.



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[patentlymn]

Mostly Israel bashing. How US wants a forever war in Ukr as in Israel.

https://youtu.be/zmICm4qO3i4
 Max Blumenthal: Ukraine to become 'Big Israel'?
The Grayzone
300K subscribers
31,192 views  Sep 18, 2023  #TheGrayzone
The Grayzone's Max Blumenthal addresses the Ron Paul Institute's 2023 Washington DC conference on the disturbing plans in Kiev and Washington to convert Ukraine into a "Big Israel," and what this means for the region and the future of US politics.

[patentlymn]

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/32226
??The prophet of the unconquered Donbass - an amazing saint of our days - Elder Zosima (Sokur) back in the 90s predicted with documented accuracy the coming war in Ukraine, and the revival of Ukrainian fascism, and the atrocities to which the church schism in Ukraine would reach, and the ongoing wave hatred towards the people of Donbass: “When I die, ” he said, “bury me deeper so that Bandera’s people don’t dig me up.”

[patentlymn]

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/32227
??Mihailo Nechay, am "oracle" or teller or prophecies from Ivano-Frankivsk foretold the fall of Ukraine and the extinction of its lineage decades ago exactly like it's happening today.

??When Ukrainians became two peoples apart fighting each other it will be the end, and the country would be split between the neighbouring nations as in previous history periods.

??Follow:

[patentlymn]

Ukr govt 6 months ago. "We will be bathing in Crimea this summer after the counter offensive."
Now" It will be a long war. We never expected the counter offensive to break through. We always said it would be a long war. "

[Libertas]

Prophet, lol...

See this?  Looks like the DOJ/KGB arm of the DeepState is perhaps beginning to distance itself (much like The Kenyan is backing quietly away from his minion FJB) from the Ukraine mess...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nyt-rare-about-face-now-says-ukrainian-missile-likely-behind-mass-casualty-strike

...but the Rocket was Russian, lol.

The Old Gray Whore starts telling the truth I don't think certain people will stand it and others may not believe it...

 

And this...

The American man masquerading as a "female" spokesperson for the Ukrainian military has decided to pick a fight with a sitting American senator.

Senator JD Vance of Ohio has made formal inquiry as to whether Sarah Ashton-Cirillo (born Michael John Cirillo) is being funded by the US government or has ties to the US intelligence community.

Sen. Vance has sent a letter to Secretary of State Antony Blinken, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, and Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines, toward that end of seeking information.

Last week a viral video by Ashton-Cirillo saw him declare on behalf of the Territorial Defense Forces of Ukraine that Russia's "propagandists" will be "hunted down" around the world.

Revealingly, this was said just as an American journalist, Gonzalo Lira, was due in Ukrainian court on vague charges of "justifying Russia's aggression." That video sparked frenzy and anger online, given it seemed an open threat to journalists or anyone that doesn't toe a pro-Ukrainian line on any given issue related to the war.

Fireworks ensued as Sen. Vance and Ashton-Cirillo went back and forth...

Since I’ve got your attention, are you/Ukraine still planning to kill people who engage in speech you don’t like? And are there any American citizens on the kill list?
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ukraines-american-trans-spox-picks-fight-us-senator-jd-vance

It's one fugly demon on the outside and vile to the core inside...

And don't expect any of those a-holes to give you an honest answer!!!

Be a shame if that critter had an accident... 

And seriously, why would any sane Ukrainian leader want such a vile creature speaking fr them at all?  Insane.