Topic: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine

[patentlymn]

Larry Johnson was on. Former CIA and state dept.  His sources told him the recent target hit was about 1 mile square. It was totally destroyed and someone said it was now dust.  He said Trump backing out of the INF treaty made this possible.

[Libertas]

Well, yeah...Frogs & Limeys talking sh*t...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/11/25/u-k-and-france-in-discussions-to-send-nato-troops-into-ukraine/

...but in my book, and I am betting in Trump's book...side deals and side actions without American sanction renders Article 5 purely optional...otherwise any NATO member could do something stupid the whole is opposed to...

...and if Grenell is indeed the Special Envoy there will be a negotiated end to this BS...

...and if the Frogs and Limeys want to stick their necks out in Moldova next they can stick those out alone too!

Meanwhile...

The war on the shadow fleet continues - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-slaps-largest-sanctions-package-yet-russias-shadow-tanker-fleet

Consider this, if people think a shadow fleet is a good idea, just think if it catches on, and everybody does it...will those once opposed to fighting it flip to loving it and vice-versa?


H/T-WRSA@GAB

 

As for Larry Johnson...I have no time for morons...only Russians, Democrats and their apologists blame Trump for everything.  Plus, impossible to prove now but if we had stayed in a broken treaty, I doubt Russia would have acted any differently...and I doubt assholes like Johnson wouldn't find something else to blame Trump for...

 

[Libertas]

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/secret-russian-ship-ship-oil-switching-moves-new-greek-hotspot-after-naval-drills

Just shows the West isn't near fully serious in stopping the dark fleet op's...

[patentlymn]

BTW this is an unverified video of the rocket in the air
https://youtu.be/MzXF4Buk3SY?t=241

https://voxday.net/2024/11/26/strike-two-2/
There are signs that Russia is going to be launching another Oreshnik missile strike very soon.

    Russia has issued another Notice To Air Missions (NOTAM) closing its air space over Kapustin Yar. This was the area from which Russia launched its new Oreshnik Ballistic Missile at Ukraine last week.

    Since that Russian launch, which utterly obliterated a Soviet-era munitions factory inside Ukraine, the Ukrainians have again used American-supplied ATACMS to launch at least THREE MORE attacks into Russia, primarily in the Kursk region.

    It seems logical to believe Russia is going to launch again as response to Ukraine continuing to use west-supplied missiles to strike interior Russia.

    One might also theorize that it won’t be just one Oreshnik this time.

...

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news-selections/world-news/bulletin-russia-issues-notam-kapustin-yar-tonight-11-00-pm-est-thru-11-30-2024
BULLETIN: RUSSIA ISSUES NOTAM - KAPUSTIN YAR - TONIGHT 11:00 PM EST THRU 11-30-2024

[patentlymn]

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/turkey-demands-russia-sanctions-waiver-us-natgas-ahead-winter
Turkey Demands Russia Sanctions Waiver From US For NatGas Ahead Of Winter
Tyler Durden's Photo
by Tyler Durden

[patentlymn]

https://t.me/myLordBebo/51603
🇺🇦🇷🇺 Russia’s IRBM attack was done without warheads, it was a WARNING!

Even if we believe that, it was similar to a FAB250 bomb.

🧮 Let’s calculate the Oreshnik's arrival at Yuzhmash:

- The flight speed of the warheads is 3 km/s
- The average diameter of the warhead is 50 cm
- The density of steel is 7900 kg/m3
- The number of warheads is 6 pcs.
- The number of submunitions in each warhead is 6 pcs.
- The weight of the warhead is 1700 kg.
- The weight of one submunition is 47 kg.

?? The question is, what energy did the submunitions have and how much is this in TNT equivalent?

Energy is kinetic energy, which is completely transferred to the Earth or the impact site.

The formula for calculation: Ekin = m * v² / 2

Thus, the impact energy of the Oreshnik warhead submunition is - 198.201196 MJ.

?? This is approximately the same as FAB 250.

TNT equivalent is a common measure of the energy released by an explosion, even if no TNT was involved. 1 kilogram of TNT releases 4.184 megajoules (4.184 * 10^6 joules).

Thus, in TNT equivalent, the impact of the inert submunition of the Oreshnik warhead is 47.371223 kg.

At first glance, the numbers are not impressive, but here we must take into account that this energy does not affect large areas, as in a classic high-explosive explosion, but this energy was applied to a very small contact spot of the submunition and the surface it hit.

And this is more than enough to destroy not only concrete but also steel structures.

So, there should be some destruction on the territory of Yuzhmash.

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[patentlymn]

The alleged video of the new Russian missile was a rocket to ISS.
https://t.me/putingers_cat_chat/444519
?? Apologies... That's not the missile launch. The footage was captured in Kazakhstan. It's the Soyuz 2.1a rocket launch for the resupply mission to ISS.

Never trusting Turkish sources again 😭

[patentlymn]

Just OK. She used to brief US govt and military at a very high level. Way above top secret. her analytics were different from US  official lines so they ranked her security clearance so she could not work.


https://youtu.be/PzJTh1zUrSc
 She Predicted Putin Would Invade Ukraine – What Happens Next Is Terrifying
Kim Iversen

Rebekah Koffler is a former Russian intelligence officer who became a U.S. intelligence and national security expert, specializing in Russian military and strategic affairs. Born in the Soviet Union, she immigrated to the United States in the early 1990s. Koffler worked as a Russian-language analyst and later became a strategic expert for U.S. military and intelligence agencies. She has worked for organizations like the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), focusing on understanding Russian military tactics, geopolitical strategies, and the inner workings of the Russian government.

In addition to her work in intelligence, Koffler has become a public figure, offering insights into Russian politics, military actions, and global strategy, especially related to the United States and NATO. She has written articles and commentary on various topics, including Russian-U.S. relations and global security concerns.

Koffler is also the author of the book Putin’s Playbook: Russia's Secret Plan to Defeat America. In this work, she explores Russia's geopolitical objectives and provides a detailed analysis of Russian President Vladimir Putin's strategy for global dominance. Her background as both a Russian native and a U.S. intelligence expert gives her a unique perspective on these issues.

https://www.amazon.com/Putins-Playbook-Russias-Secret-America/dp/1684510031

Putin's Playbook: Russia's Secret Plan to Defeat America Hardcover – July 27, 2021
by Rebekah Koffler (Author)

[patentlymn]

MIT prof says temperature at surface caused by new Russian warheads was 4000 deg C or 7200 deg F. All with no explosives just kinetic energy.

Also the videos of alleged rocket ascent flight was really flight to ISS.

[Libertas]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/panama-delists-6-flagged-ships-over-uk-russia-sanctions

Well, they still got the dark fleet...

For Z the end is near...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/many-200000-ukrainian-soldiers-have-deserted-lawmaker

And it appears Putin is getting the buffer he desires...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/visualizing-ukraines-collapsing-front-lines-amid-steady-russian-onslaught

...probably making the timing perfect for when Trump comes in to negotiate an end...Putin has a lot more he can afford to look magnanimous in yielding while still keeping an adequate buffer in place...

Guess we'll find out...ias long as Ukraine doesn't completely collapse before Jan 20th...

[patentlymn]

Alex says that Scholz visited Zelensky and brought some money (pledged 650M)  and was taken to a military hospital for a  photo op that Scholz did not know about. Scholz looked pissed at a press conference.. Ze asked for Taurus missiles.

https://twitter.com/SprinterFamily/status/1863690102309798350


https://youtu.be/6BcIHBBEqX4?t=1923

[Libertas]

Little man past his positional expiration date demands full NATO membership in any negotiated end to hostilities or bust...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-vows-reject-any-alternative-nato-membership

...and given the cool responses it appears it may well be bust...but which form it takes is TBD, as militarily (beyond launching missiles) they are all but shot, territorially they are beaten and their main sugar-daddy is getting retired in January...so "bust" may not be dependent on Russian's rolling into Kyiv but in Ukraine just collapsing en masse...

[patentlymn]

Tucker Carlson kept asking Zelensky for an interview but US state dept said no. So Carlson is back in Russia to interview FM Lavrov.
https://youtu.be/7p5E9qJfI3g
 We’re back in Moscow. Here’s why.
Tucker Carlson

[patentlymn]

He mentions advice given to Bill Clinton about Eastern Ukraine. Good from 38 min to around 42 min.
Eastern Ukraine was "Russified" long before there was a Ukraine SSR or any political entity Ukraine having borders and a capital. That patch of dirt was more Russian than patches of dirt further west. The commies liked to mix different ethnic groups in the same country to avoid an ethno state that might bite them one day.

Ukraine SSR was created around 1922 and it was controversial because it lumped in mostly Russians in the east.

https://youtu.be/Wtj5oaDLzMM?t=2317
Col Doug Macgregor: Ukraine/NATO Biden's Classic BAIT & SWITCH

[Libertas]

Looks like people are still letting the butthurt flow through them...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-closes-polish-consulate-warsaw-accuses-moscow-sabotage-terrorism

Lavrov "warnings" appear to be expanding globally in anticipation of Trump negotiations...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lavrov-warns-europe-new-cold-war-turning-hot

...and it does not surprise or concern me.  He/They gotta get their nerves calm for 45 more fracking days!  Nothing we can do about it pal!

Meanwhile, India's purchase of Russian crude getting harder as rising carrier costs cause dozens to drop out...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/dozens-middlemen-drop-out-trading-russian-oil-india

[Libertas]

I hesitate to post this link because I think this jackass is a total Putin-gravy-guzzling imbecile...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/erdogans-idlib-shock-shadows-kursk

...he has a lot of sh*t just flat out wrong, but more importantly I want to call out his attempt to bully/influence Trump...this guy should have a plumb room in the Kremlin close to his Lord and Master...

...I have faith that Trump can negotiate a way out of the imbecilic Globalist/Euro quagmire...as for any grand bargain giving his beloved Mother Russia all it desires across the globe goes, dream on dipsh*t.  If you and your master are smart (weren't very bright in the first Trump term!) you would work with us as potential partners, not somebody to vanquish, but given your demonization of us in America as a monolithic evil (when we were in fact unwilling captives of evil leadership) I doubt you can retreat from your imperialist impulses.  Too bad.  Want to see NATO gone?  Cannot happen unless we leave it first, how about giving us a mechanism to do so?

Yeah, I won't hold my breath...  I don't think you have the will or wits to pull it off.

And as for Sergey...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/full-lavrov-carlson-interview-us-russia-need-cooperate-sake-universe

...no fracking idea why he went into the long narrative on Ukraine and the "Russian" inhabitants in the East and South...and "territorial integrity" and "human rights" stuff...there is no going back to original borders since Russia already has all the territory it wants and then some right now militarily...?

Yeah yeah, referendums too, blah blah...Soviets had "referendums" all across Eastern Europe at the end of WWII too... 

Then it's back to Ukraine, NATO...blah blah blah...poor Russia, so oppressed...yadda yadda yadda...

There is no "hotline" to Moscow, Biden under orders from Obama & Soros and blessed by the DeepState shut that off, there is zero back-channel contacts...and morons on both sides have casually tossed nuclear weapons talk around like it's no big deal...because both think they have a moral high ground...

Carlson specifically asked the question...but Sergey's answer is ballistic missile launch info only is disclosed to each other...there is NO "dialogue".

"We didn't start war...NATO expansion started it...coup started it...SMO not an invasion...East and South Ukraine is ours...but we want to negotiate an end to hostilities."

Yeah?  WTF does that look like?  Sergey keeps talking about 2014...  Minsk sabotaged...  Istanbul 2022...vetoed by Boris Johnson...  We didn't whack Navalny (just imprisoned him)...  Blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda...  Jeez, still butthurt for Serbs even...LOL...

WTF, screw the past butthurt, it's past...answer Tucker...what do you want now?

<crickets>

Finally, he said (citing Putin): 1) Realities on the ground (duh!) 2) No NATO membership or NATO presence ever in Ukraine  3) Some nebulous "collective security guarantee" outfit Russia would belong to..

Uhh, come again?  That latter sounds like gibberish hiding Russian military hegemony over Ukraine, yes?  And where is the "collective" nature of this crap if there is no Western membership within it?  All the old little Oblasts in Asia et al in the Russian Federation compact no doubt.  Yeah, that sounds like a poison pill I don't think even Trump can swallow.

I just don't think they are going to get an all-encompassing deal, certainly nothing that will get them to sign.

It's a re: Ukraine deal only or nothing IMO, given points 2 & 3 above Sergey says are Holy Writ by Putin...there will be no treaty.

We, and the world...will be lucky to get a ceasefire at best...

The "Europeans running away from me...grown men...so childish" was funny...   

But he says their pact with Communist China is permanent, so one way or another, sink or swim...their fate is shared...

What a f**ked up world...

[Libertas]

Consider this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/orban-says-zelensky-rejected-proposal-christmas-truce

Putin, like every victor in any conflict in history, knows he is in a superior negotiating position than his opponent because of actual facts on the ground...

Which is why we now see these punitive strike on Ukraine's energy infrastructure...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-launches-massive-attack-critical-fuel-energy-infrastructure-ukraine

...the ATACMS excuse is merely taking advantage of an obvious reason to do what they want to do anyway...

...and morons in the outgoing Biden-Harris regime should be told we are fortunate this is the response, because it could get worse...and any increase in Western assistance could escalate to worse!

I think the time is now for Trump to weigh in specifically warning Biden and NATO to not ratchet things up.

[Libertas]

It doesn't matter if the corrupt FJB regime OK'd this radical escalation overtly or is purposely choosing to remain ignorant of Z's schemes...it all keeps fitting the overall psychotic picture of pushing the WWIII madness...

In another scary escalation which will lead to unpredictable consequences, a top military general and head of the Russian military's chemical weapons forces was killed in Moscow in a targeted blast which Ukraine quickly owned up to. Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov has been confirmed killed in an assassination bombing, and is the most senior Russian official killed since the start of the Ukraine war in 2022.

According to emerging details confirmed in state TASS news agency, citing Russia's emergency services, a bomb was hidden in an electric scooter parked outside Gen. Kirillov's apartment. As he and his assistant walked by, the explosive was remotely detonated. The assistant was also immediately killed. Footage showed a large blast outside the residential building.

The 54-year old oversaw Russia's radiation, chemical and biological protection troops - and Kiev and Western sources have accused him of ordering deployment of chemical weapons in the conflict.

An official Kremlin statement reads: "On the morning of December 17, an explosive device planted in a scooter went off near a residential building entrance on Ryazansky Avenue in Moscow, the investigation showed. Chief of Russia’s Radiation, Chemical and Biological Protection Troops Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov and his aide were killed in the explosion."

The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) is openly boasting to being behind the killing and Ukrainian sources have acknowledged this to American media.

"Kirillov was a war criminal and an entirely legitimate target, as he issued orders to use prohibited chemical weapons against Ukrainian troops," an SBU source told ABC. "Such an inglorious end awaits all those who kill Ukrainians. Retribution for war crimes is inevitable."

"By order of Kirillov, more than 4,800 cases of the enemy's use of chemical munitions have been recorded since the beginning of the full-scale war," the SBU added, but only cited that grenades equipped with substances like CS and other riot control type irritants have been used.

Video of the bombing has also been released by the SBU. Clearly the hit was carefully planned an choreographed as the attack seems to have been filmed with a ground view from a nearby vehicle.

"The footage shows Gen. Kirillov and his aide exiting a building, with the infamous scooter standing nearby," an unnamed Ukrainian source has described. "The moment they enter the blast zone of the explosive device, the scooter is blown into the air, delivering a 'verdict' to the war criminal."

Moscow is vowing that Ukraine will pay dearly, with Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman and former president Dmitry Medvedev warning in a fresh statement in the aftermath of Kirillov's death, "Attempts to intimidate our nation, stop the Russian offensive or sow fear are doomed. Certain punishment awaits Banderite Nazis, including the top military and political leaders of a crumbling country."

Medvedev characterized the assassination it as done in desperation given that Kiev forces are steadily being beaten back on the Donbas. Indeed such cross-border acts have only gotten more brazen of late.

Medvedev continued: "This terrorist attack demonstrates the agony of the Banderite regime, which is struggling to justify its shaky existence in the eyes of its Western patrons and prolong the deadly hostilities while delivering cowardly attacks on civilians in cities and towns."

Meanwhile President Putin had just this week warned that the West is going 'beyond' Russia's red line in its support to Ukraine, and said things are escalating at a dangerous pace.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/head-russias-chemical-biological-defense-forces-assassinated-moscow

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/shock-video-ukraine-assassinates-russian-nuclear-chemical-biological/

[Libertas]

Kinda nice when any sensible thinking is expressed...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-state-warns-against-western-troops-ukraine-discussion-has-gone-rails

Hopefully be a lot more of that come late January...

[Libertas]

Looks like the Ukrainian SBU used an Uzbek merc to do the deed on the Russian WMD General...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-detains-suspect-assassination-chemical-weapons-top-military-chief

...reckon the FSB has him in the cellars of the infamous Lubyanka getting the business...

Are we going to make it another month of psychotic FJB fusterclucking everything up?