Author Topic: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine  (Read 242188 times)

0 Members and 1375 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline patentlymn

  • Conservative Superhero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5892
Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2800 on: March 12, 2025, 07:05:50 PM »

It took a while for that Kiev passed law  protecting minorities to sink in.

Why pass a law favoring mostly one small group?

IMO the Kiev faction are stone cold racists but they want to suck up to the Crimean Tatars as they would like to take over Crimea some day. In personal life I doubt they get along well with the Crimean Tatars. I think most are Sunni Muslims.
When the law becomes a ruse, lawlessness becomes legitimate. -unknown

Offline patentlymn

  • Conservative Superhero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5892
Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2801 on: March 12, 2025, 07:33:21 PM »
Lots of Ze quotes supposedly from Mar 12? These do not match what the US is saying.


https://t.me/myLordBebo/61630
🇺🇸🇷🇺🇺🇦 Zelensky said that if Russia refuses to agree to a ceasefire, the US will take serious steps against Russia and strengthen Ukraine

Here we go again
When the law becomes a ruse, lawlessness becomes legitimate. -unknown

Offline patentlymn

  • Conservative Superhero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5892
Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2802 on: March 12, 2025, 07:35:50 PM »

People in Ukr complain that the press gangs never go after the rich kids in Kiev. They are often in the open.
https://x.com/i/status/1897330518724894788
If you can have concerts like this in Kiev, why can't Zelensky hold elections?

https://www.cbs.com/shows/video/l1pw08TvsoqyDz7lk8b2CigYwTxLdV8l/


Nightlife is thriving in Ukraine
Help
4min
Ukrainians are packing out bars and clubs across the country despite the ongoing war with Russia. Charlie D'Agata spoke with young Ukrainians who are defiantly partying on. Air Date: Jul 31, 2023
« Last Edit: March 12, 2025, 07:38:51 PM by patentlymn »
When the law becomes a ruse, lawlessness becomes legitimate. -unknown

Offline patentlymn

  • Conservative Superhero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5892
Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2803 on: March 12, 2025, 07:46:39 PM »


https://x.com/BowesChay/status/1899111656078139681/photo/1
Post
Conversation
Chay Bowes
@BowesChay
Zelensky only wears a suit when he's meeting his real bosses.

When the law becomes a ruse, lawlessness becomes legitimate. -unknown

Offline patentlymn

  • Conservative Superhero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5892
Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2804 on: March 12, 2025, 07:49:12 PM »

https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1892337325218082915
Donald Trump just called Zelensky a dictator. Human rights lawyer Bob Amsterdam has worked in Ukraine for the past couple of years and confirms that if anything, that’s an understatement.

(0:00) The Situation Is Dire
(3:28) Bob Amsterdam’s Fight to Defend the Orthodox Church From Zelensky
(6:45) USAID’s Fake Church Operation
(18:49) Mike Pompeo’s Involvement
(24:16) Why Is the US Bending the Knee to Ukraine?
(29:21) Is Zelensky Totally Coked Out?
(30:00) The Push for Sanctions
(45:00) China’s Role in Undermining the US
(48:16) The War’s Impact on the Middle East
(53:28) Corporate Media Refuses to Cover This Story
(1:00:38) The Deep State’s Attempt to Destroy Religion
(1:08:56) Why Aren’t US Politicians Fighting for Freedom of Religion?
(1:13:08) The Dangerous Corporatism of Lawyers
When the law becomes a ruse, lawlessness becomes legitimate. -unknown

Offline patentlymn

  • Conservative Superhero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5892
Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2805 on: March 12, 2025, 08:24:01 PM »


https://t.me/Slavyangrad/121659
Ex-CIA agent and whistleblower John Kiriakou exposes how Hillary Clinton used a $20 million bribe to split the Ukrainian Orthodox Church from the Russian Orthodox Church, to create a further divide and more tensions between Ukrainians and Russians.
When the law becomes a ruse, lawlessness becomes legitimate. -unknown

Offline patentlymn

  • Conservative Superhero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5892
Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2806 on: March 12, 2025, 08:37:20 PM »
Inside the pipe and inside some bunker near the pipe. Long video.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/121642
Inside the gas pipeline used for daring attack on Ukrainians in Kursk

Battling lack of oxygen, these men walked 15km underground to emerge into an intense gunfight behind enemy lines in 1 of the most complex operations of conflict.
When the law becomes a ruse, lawlessness becomes legitimate. -unknown

Offline Libertas

  • Conservative Superhero
  • *****
  • Posts: 67914
  • Alea iacta est! Libertatem aut mori!
Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2807 on: March 13, 2025, 08:45:31 AM »
Ha, isn't this fun!

Seems to be some disconnect between what Putin says and what other Russians say (Senior Putin Aide Ushakov & Markov of RT) which clearly reaffirms the fatal Rus flaw I mentioned earlier.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/03/13/russian-president-vladimir-putin-visits-frontline-troops-in-kursk-region-ahead-of-u-s-envoy-witkoff-traveling-to-moscow/

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-rejects-us-temporary-cease-fire-plan-appears-military-fatigues

So, I remain stuck on What will Vladimir Putin say to Mike Waltz?  Sanity and peace or the fatal flaw and global annihilation?
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

Offline Libertas

  • Conservative Superhero
  • *****
  • Posts: 67914
  • Alea iacta est! Libertatem aut mori!
Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2808 on: March 13, 2025, 12:46:23 PM »
Supposedly, Putin agrees to a ceasefire, or the idea of a ceasefire...seems news out of the Kremlin is confusing...or Western media is lazy AF as usual...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/03/breaking-russian-president-putin-accepts-us-ukraine-ceasefire/

This is solely focused on bottom line, which is better than the skimped version above...

https://notthebee.com/article/breaking-putin-agrees-to-ceasefire-says-russia-wants-permanent-peace/

ZH being more Putinphile grabs all statements...

Update(1312ET): Russia's President Putin in new Thursday remarks declared that his forces are beating back the Ukrainians on all fronts, and especially now in Kursk. "Command and control of Ukrainian troops inside the incursion zone is no longer possible," Putin said. "During the first stages, the Ukrainian military attempted to leave this zone in small groups. This is no longer possible."

"They are leaving their military equipment behind, because there is no way to evacuate it. It will remain there, that’s for sure," he added. Trump envoy Steve Witkoff is soon expected to meet with Putin again. While the Russian leader said he is 'for' achieving a 30-day ceasefire, he has raised serious questions about what stipulations must be added. In essence at this point Putin is conveying a list of objections as follows, via state media translation:

“We also want guarantees that during the 30-day ceasefire, Ukraine will not conduct mobilization, will not train soldiers, and will not receive weapons,” Putin said during a press briefing with his Belarusian counterpart Alexander Lukashenko in Moscow.

The president pointed out that Russian troops are advancing along nearly 2,000 kilometers of frontline, and halting military actions could disrupt ongoing operations. Ukrainian forces could use a ceasefire period to regroup, receive more weapons, and train fresh recruits, he warned.

“These 30 days — how will they be used? To continue forced mobilization in Ukraine? To receive more arms supplies? To train newly mobilized units? Or will none of this happen?” Putin asked.

Enforcing a ceasefire over such a vast battlefield would be difficult, he added, violations could be easily disputed, leading to a blame game between both sides. Systems of “control and verification” to monitor a ceasefire are not in place but should be agreed.

Some of these demands were no doubt communicated to the US side, with Reuters reporting that the Kremlin's formal list of requirements to achieve permanent ceasefire have been delivered:

Russia has laid out a list of demands to U.S. authorities that need to be met in order for the war in Ukraine to end, Reuters reported, citing two people "familiar with the matter."

The requests are also aimed at resetting the Kremlin's relations with Washington, D.C., the outlet noted.

The list of demands came just before Russia’s Defense Ministry announced it has taken over Sudzha, the biggest town in the Kursk region that has been overrun by Ukrainian forces since the surprise cross-border offensive in August 2024. The takeover came after Russian President Vladimir Putin visited military headquarters in the region and spoke to military commanders there.

The exact content of these demands are not yet known, but at least some of it was probably echoed in Putin's Thursday remarks.

* * *

Russia has rejected the US-proposed 30-day ceasefire which came out of the Jeddah meeting with Ukraine, describing that it would only allow Ukrainian forces to regroup.

"This is nothing other than a temporary time-out for Ukrainian soldiers, nothing more. Our goal is a long-term peaceful resolution," Yuri Ushakov, a senior aide to Russian President Vladimir Putin, told Russian state television. "Our goal is a long-term peaceful settlement that takes into account the legitimate interests of our country and our well-known concerns. It seems to me that no one needs any steps that (merely) imitate peaceful actions in this situation," he said. He further expressed that it would "give nothing" to Russia.

This was the first official public response on the issue from the Kremlin, after it said Wednesday it was "studying" the proposal. President Trump’s special envoy, Steve Witkoff, is currently en route to Moscow to discuss the temporary truce proposal.

Ushakov says he has communicated Moscow's rejection of the 30-day ceasefire plan to Trump's national security adviser Mike Waltz.

None of this comes as a great surprise, given not only that Russian forces have the clear battlefield momentum and upper-hand, but back in January President Putin explained why he would never settle for any ceasefire that's temporary.

He had said at the time, "The goal should not be a short truce, not some kind of respite for regrouping forces and rearmament with the aim of subsequently continuing the conflict, but a long-term peace based on respect for the legitimate interests of all people, all nations living in this region."

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-rejects-us-temporary-cease-fire-plan-appears-military-fatigues

Surely Vlad I is aware that "conditions" of ceasefires typically are reciprocal in nature, not one-sided?  So, Russia would also have to agree to not mobilize, train, arm and supply...and be similarly monitored for compliance.  If so then I think an agreement could be gained and buy time for a comprehensive peace.  And, any monitoring/policing of the ceasefire will likely be the hardest point to resolve...  Maybe some Indian and Japanese troops could be the monitors of the peace?

 ::whatgives::
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

Offline Libertas

  • Conservative Superhero
  • *****
  • Posts: 67914
  • Alea iacta est! Libertatem aut mori!
Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2809 on: March 17, 2025, 11:27:05 AM »
Interesting...

President Trump pleads for the lives of the Ukrainian soldiers encircled by the Russian Army in Kursk that Zelensky left to die...and now President Putin agrees, if they lay down their arms...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/03/14/russian-president-putin-says-they-will-spare-ukrainian-soldiers-in-kursk-if-they-lay-down-their-arms-and-surrender/

Wise to put it all on Zelensky...  Sadly I see him letting them be slaughtered rather than surrender...and the encirclement might be so complete now no escape is possible...

Witkoff seems optimistic a ceasefire can happen...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/03/16/sunday-talks-envoy-steve-witkoff-discusses-his-optimism-for-a-ceasefire-following-a-four-hour-meeting-with-russian-president-vladimir-putin/

...hope he's right.

Reporterette here seems to be too preoccupied with throwing speculation in the air...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/03/16/sunday-talks-nat-sec-advisor-mike-waltz-discusses-ukraine-russia-conflict-and-current-status/

...negotiations are an art of the possible not a one-sided affair...

...we're talking, something not even contemplated while the Puppet regime of FJB slept towards WWIII...

...let's let the process work.
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

Offline patentlymn

  • Conservative Superhero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5892
Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2810 on: March 17, 2025, 02:42:57 PM »

Zelensky denies troops encircled at kursk.
https://youtu.be/YXDsmuRW_PI

https://youtu.be/WTGzzApQI8g
Zelensky Denies Ukrainian Troops Encircled In Russia's Kursk Region | WION Shorts

https://youtu.be/jBU4j5jh2fg
Zelensky Abandons Ukrainian Troops Despite Trump, Putin Warnings? Shocking Kursk Response On Camera

When the law becomes a ruse, lawlessness becomes legitimate. -unknown

Offline Libertas

  • Conservative Superhero
  • *****
  • Posts: 67914
  • Alea iacta est! Libertatem aut mori!
Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2811 on: March 18, 2025, 08:24:46 AM »
Well, as for the little Z and the Western warmongers...what part of "to the last Ukrainian" is confusing you?

In other news...

Vlad I issues what some could argue is a poison-pill demand...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/putin-demands-halt-western-military-aid-ukraine-ahead-trump-call

...hopefully he is amenable to pledging no more Russian/Russian-aligned troops/arms into contested areas as well...FWIW.

To me this is a certain face-saving PR effort on his part...requiring something in a quid pro quo even if the latter is not widely publicized...

In other news...

Euro's trying a little too desperately to muck up a Ukraine ceasefire...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lithuania-says-russian-intelligence-behind-ikea-arson-attack

I mean come on, pretty weak link to Ukraine even if Russian Intel behind this...besides, they dominated y'all for decades under Soviet rule...give up the butthurt already, everybody knows the bigger nation is always right, get over yourselves! 

 :P
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

Offline patentlymn

  • Conservative Superhero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5892
Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2812 on: March 18, 2025, 07:01:59 PM »


https://t.me/myLordBebo/61961
🇺🇦🇨🇳 Ukrainian refugees are upset that the Chinese told them they need to work.

 (https://t.me/myLordBebo/41178)“We haven’t worked for 2 years and don’t plant to, now we look further for a country were we can get Ukrainian refugee support.”

https://t.me/myLordBebo/61962
🇺🇦🇩🇪 They already were deported from Germany, which is incredibly hard to do.

They were not working and badmouthed Germany, as she says herself.

https://t.me/myLordBebo/61963
🇦🇪🇺🇦 Then they went to Dubai and she bought an iPhone 17 pro max from the German social support payments she received.


https://t.me/myLordBebo/61964
She’s just lovely, she says “Dubaians live like Ukrainians in Germany” because they don’t have to work and are provided for by the state.
When the law becomes a ruse, lawlessness becomes legitimate. -unknown

Offline patentlymn

  • Conservative Superhero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5892
Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2813 on: March 18, 2025, 07:16:12 PM »


https://t.me/myLordBebo/62024
🇺🇦 Boris Johnson says Ukrainian nationalists did not allow to make peace with Russia in 2019.

What an admission. So there is an extremists problem in Ukraine?.
When the law becomes a ruse, lawlessness becomes legitimate. -unknown

Offline patentlymn

  • Conservative Superhero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5892
Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2814 on: March 18, 2025, 07:20:33 PM »

I recall Ze was trying to move some weapons back to implement Minsk.
https://t.me/myLordBebo/62025
Here Zelensky in 2019 tries to take their weapons away and they ignore his request.
When the law becomes a ruse, lawlessness becomes legitimate. -unknown

Offline patentlymn

  • Conservative Superhero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5892
Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2815 on: March 18, 2025, 07:35:14 PM »


Old CBS news coverage of Crimea

https://t.me/putingers_cat/13458
"Most people there are of Russian heritage and are celebrating"

This is how the so-called "Russian invasion" of Crimea was reported before the Western media got their orders from Langley.

also
https://t.me/putingers_cat/13457
🇷🇺  1??1?? years ago, on March 16, 2014, the historic referendum was held in Crimea – residents of the peninsula unequivocally voted FOR reuniting with their historical homeland, Russia.

🗳 Participation in the referendum was both voluntary and free. An impressive 96.77 percent of the Crimean population voted in favour of becoming part of Russia, with a blasting turnout of 83.1 percent. In Sevastopol, 95.6 percent supported the move, with a turnout of 89.5 percent.

The Crimean referendum was monitored by 135 international observers from 23 countries, alongside 1,240 observers from Crimean organisations, and was reported on by 623 journalists representing 169 media outlets.

🎙 From the briefing (https://mid.ru/en/press_service/spokesman/briefings/2002992/) by Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova (March 13, 2025):
On that day, Crimean citizens made a free, conscious and independent choice regarding their own and their children’s future. This was a fair and long-awaited decision for Crimeans as well as for all citizens of our country.

?? Following the free expression of will by the Crimean people, the Republic of Crimea signed an international treaty with Russia on March 18, 2014, formalising its accession.

Over the past 11 years, the Republic of Crimea and the federal city of Sevastopol have become fully integrated into the political, legal and economic framework of Russia. Significant infrastructure projects have been undertaken, including the construction of a bridge across the Kerch Strait, the Crimea-Kuban gas pipeline, the Tavrida federal motorway, Simferopol airport, and hundreds of other healthcare, educational, social and engineering facilities.

?? Interfaith accord and harmony are preserved in the peninsula, interests of all ethnic groups are taken into account. A complete national and cultural autonomy for the Crimean Tatars has been established, with their representatives participating in local government. The Crimean Tatar language has been recognised as a state language alongside Russian and Ukrainian.

Economic breakthrough and overall advancements achieved over these years, coupled with an unprecedented rise in living standards, the development of infrastructure, and the established interfaith peace in the peninsula, all reaffirm that the choice made by the Crimeans 11 years ago was the only correct one.

#CrimeaIsRussia #TogetherForever
When the law becomes a ruse, lawlessness becomes legitimate. -unknown

Offline patentlymn

  • Conservative Superhero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5892
Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2816 on: March 18, 2025, 10:10:46 PM »


I recall hearing that people in Kiev were not conscripted much. I fund that odd. It was mostly rubes from smaller towns. Now maybe that is changing. BTW there are hundreds or thousands of press gang videos from Ukr showing men being grabbed off the streets.

https://meduza.io/feature/2025/03/17/otsyuda-vyhod-odin-trista-ili-dvesti
23:53, 16 March 2025
Source: Meduza
...
However, more than arrivals, the military atmosphere in the capital is created by the TCC. Strictly speaking, this abbreviation – the territorial center of completeprisonment – means the military enlistment office, but in everyday life the so-called military patrols that catch men on the street to send to the front. Now TCC is the main word in Ukraine.
...
At first, STC patrols handed summonses on the streets, tightened responsibility for evasion. But it did not help, then people began to catch by force. You stop by a patrol, shoved into a bead, takes you to the military enlistment office for a medical commission, at which everyone is recognized as fit. This process was popularly called “busification” – the second most popular word in the country. That same evening or in the morning you're going to school. It is a military camp in the woods, army tent or dugouts, hard guards and basic military training.

A year and a half ago, “busification” was already talked about, but in Kiev it was not felt in danger. The TCC swept the villages and small towns, and Kiev was still living a relaxed metropolitan life. Everything has changed in a year. In social networks began to appear video, where techekashniks beat people when they are trying to escape, refuse to undergo a medical examination or go to the training.

The Great Russian-Ukrainian War has been going on for more than three years. All this time, Ukrainians are desperately resisting aggression. However, the strength seems to be less and less. The journalist of the Swiss publication Reportagen Shura Burtin spent two months in Ukraine, visited Kiev and Donbass – and all this time talked with people. According to his observation, the mood in Ukraine over the past year and a half has changed markedly. Ukrainians do not want to fight en masse. Many are terrified of possible mobilization and trying to escape from military patrols. There are not enough soldiers at the front, the military cannot get out of the front for months. Desertion has become commonplace. The wounded are difficult to take out - the chances of survival are low: in many ways, it is due to drones that kill infantry much more effectively than old weapons. "Medusa" publishes a report by Burtin, which contains dozens of evidence describing the atmosphere at the front and in the rear. These are heavy stories in which there is a lot of pain, imposuence and despair.
...


When the law becomes a ruse, lawlessness becomes legitimate. -unknown

Offline patentlymn

  • Conservative Superhero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5892
Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2817 on: March 18, 2025, 10:20:30 PM »

ret Col Wilkerson(?) is a prof at some big civilian and military schools.
he said some weird things.
The Russian govt would prefer to NOT take over Odessa as it was a criminal enterprise.
In control of some families?

The Russian military would like to take over Odessa.
When the law becomes a ruse, lawlessness becomes legitimate. -unknown

Offline Libertas

  • Conservative Superhero
  • *****
  • Posts: 67914
  • Alea iacta est! Libertatem aut mori!
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

Offline patentlymn

  • Conservative Superhero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5892
Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2819 on: March 19, 2025, 08:41:28 PM »

This is an OK video. 13 min long.

https://youtu.be/V7lVZNOhKnc
 HOW UKRAINIAN SOCIETY FIGHTS REALITY
Videos from Mariupol
When the law becomes a ruse, lawlessness becomes legitimate. -unknown