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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2300 on: May 31, 2024, 12:37:56 PM »

The recent narrative has been that Kiev will attack "bases" used to attack Ukraine.
Kiev has been shelling or using rockets to attack civilian residential areas for over 10 years. I expect that to continue.
I know Kiev has used Himars to attack Donetsk city. Not sure what is used to attack  Belgorod.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2301 on: June 03, 2024, 09:19:10 AM »
"Using Chinese influence, using Chinese diplomats, Russia is doing everything to disrupt the summit. Regrettably, such a big, independent country as China has become an instrument in Putin’s hands," Zelensky said Sunday in Singapore.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-accuses-china-helping-russia-sabotage-swiss-peace-summit

Yes, this summit is an effort to get tail-wagging going to put pressure on Russia and it's allies and it is DOA because of the Eastern territory already annexed...but whoever wrote that line above has to know that even a polite way of calling Xi a bitch of Putin's aims in Ukraine is going to strike a nerve...mostly because it is true...Russia & China and the rest of it's shared motley crew of pals are inextricably tied to each other for good & bad.  Pointing it out is just so rude!  Not wrong, though...

That line made me snort!

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2302 on: June 03, 2024, 12:04:35 PM »
"Using Chinese influence, using Chinese diplomats, Russia is doing everything to disrupt the summit. Regrettably, such a big, independent country as China has become an instrument in Putin’s hands," Zelensky said Sunday in Singapore.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-accuses-china-helping-russia-sabotage-swiss-peace-summit

Yes, this summit is an effort to get tail-wagging going to put pressure on Russia and it's allies and it is DOA because of the Eastern territory already annexed...but whoever wrote that line above has to know that even a polite way of calling Xi a bitch of Putin's aims in Ukraine is going to strike a nerve...mostly because it is true...Russia & China and the rest of it's shared motley crew of pals are inextricably tied to each other for good & bad.  Pointing it out is just so rude!  Not wrong, though...

That line made me snort!

The US has made it clear that the US wants to take down Russia followed by China. The US wants to sanction Russia followed by China. Chinese can read. Russia needs help avoiding sanctions as does China now and in the future.

The current so called peace talks excluded Russia. RU was later invited for the last meeting at which time they would be handed the terms. Some countries including China passed on this set of meetings.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2303 on: June 03, 2024, 12:35:59 PM »


You may have heard of the Odessa Trade Union House incident.  Read up on it.  50 people/protesters  were burned alive after taking refuge in the building. They were burned alive by Kiev govt allied (and paid for?) goons from other cities.. Similar to early NAZI brownshirts, not military.

Blinken recently was shown eating in a Kiev pizza place. Someone noticed the booth he was in. A picture on the wall had been recently changed. The  photo of the trade union house on fire had been replaced. I do not recall the equivalent in most of US history in various wars, especially recent ones.  The famous photo of the naked Vietnamese girl running down the street is not celebrated as far as I know.

KFC never sold extra crispy chicken named after napalmed Vietnamese as far s I know. Such chicken is sold in Ukr named after the Trade Union House. Americans were usually known for their decency.



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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2304 on: June 03, 2024, 12:36:41 PM »
"Using Chinese influence, using Chinese diplomats, Russia is doing everything to disrupt the summit. Regrettably, such a big, independent country as China has become an instrument in Putin’s hands," Zelensky said Sunday in Singapore.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-accuses-china-helping-russia-sabotage-swiss-peace-summit

Yes, this summit is an effort to get tail-wagging going to put pressure on Russia and it's allies and it is DOA because of the Eastern territory already annexed...but whoever wrote that line above has to know that even a polite way of calling Xi a bitch of Putin's aims in Ukraine is going to strike a nerve...mostly because it is true...Russia & China and the rest of it's shared motley crew of pals are inextricably tied to each other for good & bad.  Pointing it out is just so rude!  Not wrong, though...

That line made me snort!

The Demonazis & Cucks (aka-UniParty) US has made it clear that the UniParty US wants to take down Russia followed by China. The US wants to sanction Russia followed by China. Chinese can read. Russia needs help avoiding sanctions as does China now and in the future.

The current so called peace talks excluded Russia. RU was later invited for the last meeting at which time they would be handed the terms. Some countries including China passed on this set of meetings.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2305 on: June 03, 2024, 12:48:00 PM »


You may have heard of the Odessa Trade Union House incident.  Read up on it.  50 people/protesters  were burned alive after taking refuge in the building. They were burned alive by Kiev govt allied (and paid for?) goons from other cities.. Similar to early NAZI brownshirts, not military.

Blinken recently was shown eating in a Kiev pizza place. Someone noticed the booth he was in. A picture on the wall had been recently changed. The  photo of the trade union house on fire had been replaced. I do not recall the equivalent in most of US history in various wars, especially recent ones.  The famous photo of the naked Vietnamese girl running down the street is not celebrated as far as I know.

KFC never sold extra crispy chicken named after napalmed Vietnamese as far s I know. Such chicken is sold in Ukr named after the Trade Union House. Americans were usually known for their decency.

Perhaps falling for RU propaganda?  As far as I recall the UN Human Rights Council or whatever they're called (no friend of the US under any Administration) never called it out and neither has The Hague convened one of their in-absentia show trials...so a he said/she said means anybody can believe whatever they want scenario that does nothing...

As for decency...most if us are, don't lump us in with whoever you mean, thanks.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2306 on: June 03, 2024, 01:04:39 PM »
"Using Chinese influence, using Chinese diplomats, Russia is doing everything to disrupt the summit. Regrettably, such a big, independent country as China has become an instrument in Putin’s hands," Zelensky said Sunday in Singapore.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-accuses-china-helping-russia-sabotage-swiss-peace-summit

Yes, this summit is an effort to get tail-wagging going to put pressure on Russia and it's allies and it is DOA because of the Eastern territory already annexed...but whoever wrote that line above has to know that even a polite way of calling Xi a bitch of Putin's aims in Ukraine is going to strike a nerve...mostly because it is true...Russia & China and the rest of it's shared motley crew of pals are inextricably tied to each other for good & bad.  Pointing it out is just so rude!  Not wrong, though...

That line made me snort!

The Demonazis & Cucks (aka-UniParty) US has made it clear that the UniParty US wants to take down Russia followed by China. The US wants to sanction Russia followed by China. Chinese can read. Russia needs help avoiding sanctions as does China now and in the future.

The current so called peace talks excluded Russia. RU was later invited for the last meeting at which time they would be handed the terms. Some countries including China passed on this set of meetings.

FIFY

Garland Nixon is long winded. He did a monologue where the US asks China to hold the US coat while US beats up Russia.

China asks what happens next. US says then we beat up you. China thinks it over and declines.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2307 on: June 03, 2024, 01:09:42 PM »


You may have heard of the Odessa Trade Union House incident.  Read up on it.  50 people/protesters  were burned alive after taking refuge in the building. They were burned alive by Kiev govt allied (and paid for?) goons from other cities.. Similar to early NAZI brownshirts, not military.

Blinken recently was shown eating in a Kiev pizza place. Someone noticed the booth he was in. A picture on the wall had been recently changed. The  photo of the trade union house on fire had been replaced. I do not recall the equivalent in most of US history in various wars, especially recent ones.  The famous photo of the naked Vietnamese girl running down the street is not celebrated as far as I know.

KFC never sold extra crispy chicken named after napalmed Vietnamese as far s I know. Such chicken is sold in Ukr named after the Trade Union House. Americans were usually known for their decency.

Perhaps falling for RU propaganda?  As far as I recall the UN Human Rights Council or whatever they're called (no friend of the US under any Administration) never called it out and neither has The Hague convened one of their in-absentia show trials...so a he said/she said means anybody can believe whatever they want scenario that does nothing...

As for decency...most if us are, don't lump us in with whoever you mean, thanks.

You can look up the Odessa trade Union house and find stuff including videos of the event.

You can always find exceptions but documentaries of German and Japanese POWs  usually comment on how surprised they were as to US decency toward them. Especially Japanese. I recently watched one.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2308 on: June 04, 2024, 08:49:41 AM »
F-16's to Ukraine...and Russian's being touchy push all-in with an assumption all are nuke-capable...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/netherlands-joins-denmark-saying-ukraine-can-use-f-16s-strike-inside-russia

And here comes the first instructor...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-country-sends-air-force-instructor-ukraine-ahead-f-16-arrival

As for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/floating-russian-oil-base-shifts-new-location-mediterranean-sea

...don't think the new location, any location is going to be free of antagonists.

Looks like everything is still proceeding as all desire...

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2309 on: June 05, 2024, 08:25:00 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/report-details-us-troop-land-corridors-event-ww3-russia-heart-europe

Everybody has plans...even Russia...but only the West talks about them...not that there is any big secret, anybody who can read a map knows everybody's options...the big secret is there is only the mundane kept secret...when the balloon goes up it's in the hands of field commanders and their decisions in how they use their assets...

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2310 on: June 05, 2024, 01:57:46 PM »

I think the MSM mostly makes this stuff up. Almost all of the Russian goals and plans were made up by western MSM. Take Kiev in 3 days? Etc. I noticed the Russians say almost nothing except alleged casualties on both sides in a boring daily briefing.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2312 on: June 05, 2024, 04:31:44 PM »

I thought the west was already launching weapons into pre 2014 Russia mostly for civilian residential areas e.g. Belgorod.

They sure have been hitting such areas in Donetsk city for 10 years. I believe Czech vampire missiles have been hitting residential Belgorod for a while now.

If past is prologue Ukr will use US weapons to hit mostly civilian targets inside Russia then US will say we cannot tell them how to use our weapons.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2313 on: June 05, 2024, 04:39:04 PM »
Uhh, well, yeah...

So what?

Russia hits power plants and infrastructure...

What's better - die in an explosion or die from exposure and starvation?

War is ugly.

And...Russia using Iranian drones...probably some chinese components and stuff from other nations too...hitting Ukraine...

See?  Nobody GAFF...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2314 on: June 05, 2024, 05:14:35 PM »

RU stated policies are not to hit Ukr civilian residential targets. That has been stated Ukr policy for a long time.  Ukr soldikers have said it on social media for a long time well before the SMO in 2022. Ukr soldiers say it is to drive the (ethnic) Russians from sacred Ukr land.

Lenin drew lines on  map and named the SSR Ukraine. So later some people there decided it was only to he inhabited by so called Ukranians. Prior to that the Ukraine (the border or the frontier) was a geographical place name similar to Appalachia. The Kiev govt later transformed that into an ethnic and even racial term.

I found this link. the bottom photo with Blinken shows the Odessa trade union house on fire. The upper photo shows it replaced.

https://t.me/TheRealPolitick/3440
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2315 on: June 06, 2024, 08:58:12 AM »
Link doesn't work for me, but whatever.

Here we have a Donbas resident trying to go killing in Paris using "Mother of Satan" materials...

https://archive.md/wGBMF#selection-3333.0-3337.138

...and it seems well established by many that people of Donbas favor Russia over Ukraine so I can only assume this guy is working for Mother Russia...

ETA - More money, more war...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-ramps-ukraine-arms-packages-whats-another-225-million
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2316 on: June 06, 2024, 04:59:36 PM »



This does not sound like prior Russian MOs. In the future I could see Russia or China arming existing groups with weapons.
I have posted before that if I were Russia I might supply MX narco gangs with RPGs and shoulder AA missiles. Somebody armed terrorists against Russia and China. Somebody is arming terrorists in SW Pakistan to kill Chinese engineers building stuff. 'Somebody' better knock it off.


I would bet there is a safe way to make the TATP explosives using ingredients from home depot. I would worry about such trained people more than a chuckle head like this. If trained by Russia he would have had existing explosives or know how to make them.

Years ago some guy in Philippines was cooking up this stuff on his stove and the kitchen/stove caught fire. A responding Filipino police woman knew what this meant and arrested the guy. This prevented maybe 10 airliners from blowing up over the Pacific ocean.
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TATP is a fairly easy explosive to make, as far as explosives manufacturing goes. All it takes is acetone, hydrogen peroxide (3% medicinal peroxide is not concentrated enough), and a strong acid like hydrochloric or sulfuric acid.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2317 on: June 07, 2024, 08:18:02 AM »
Well, he's from Donbas, they hate Uke's and love Russia...everybody says so...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2318 on: June 08, 2024, 07:27:15 PM »

The recent circus about giving Ukr US permission to attack only military targets in Kharkov area is a joke.  Ukr has been hitting civilian targets inside pre 2014 Russia for a long time. Civilian reporters re free to walk around and film this.

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