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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2500 on: October 25, 2024, 08:22:03 AM »
Yeah, I cannot say I care either.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2501 on: October 29, 2024, 06:37:04 PM »


There has been lots of kinda fake news about NK troops in Russia or Ukraine. The military types say they would be useless just in term of languages. Some video is said to be from Siberia. NK has trained inside Russia before. There is speculation that they could be doing construction. I erlier lerned that NK sends people out for labor to send money home provided they have a a hold on them. Waitresses and the like.

So who is stirring this up and why?

The best but hair brained idea I heard was that the Ukr f16 pilots suck due to lack of experience.. Therefore it would better to import the better SK F16 pilots.  So, let's argue that since NK is already in Ukr it would be OK to send SK pilots into Ukr. Now where they take off from would be an issue if from NATO countries.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2502 on: October 30, 2024, 08:23:44 AM »
Seems like they are "training" 10k in Russia...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pentagon-warns-no-limits-ukraine-support-if-north-korea-joins-war

...and not surprisingly neither is confirming or denying...but they did sign their little defense treaty in June...

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2503 on: October 30, 2024, 10:14:14 AM »


I expected more foreign troop and weapon  involvement as in the Spanish Civil war where USSR and Germany both tried out weapons.
I recall Poles were the largest western military group in Ukraine.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2504 on: October 31, 2024, 07:51:04 AM »
BOO!!!

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2505 on: October 31, 2024, 10:12:15 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/moscow-warns-german-arms-factory-ukraine-legitimate-target

No sh*t?

So are Nork's if they're around...

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Nothing to see here, move along...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2506 on: October 31, 2024, 11:19:29 AM »


Judge Nap has good guests on all the time. One apparently said he saw videos of the Kiev faction retreating and shelling Ukrainians who stayed put waiting for Russians or even . moved east. Nap seemed surprised. Another guest a USAF ret lt. Col said she was not as this has been going on for a long time. People who stay are considered traitors.

The only thing newsworthy would be if this was reported on the MSM. This has been reported by civilians on telegram videos for years. Mariupol was bad. The MSM reports this as Russia invading Ukraine never the Ukr civil war.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2507 on: October 31, 2024, 12:53:42 PM »


Zelensky says Ukr could have taken the Kursk NPP but chose not to.
Also he complains that this request for long range cruise missiles was confidential.
All in the first 60 seconds

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2508 on: November 01, 2024, 08:22:57 AM »
Bad press everywhere, SSDD...

Not hearing anything on Rus casualties, body bags going home, what the families think this war is worth...not going to get it either...no different than Afghanistan...

The slaughter will continue until morale improves for all...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2509 on: November 01, 2024, 12:59:18 PM »
Well, I find this highly compelling for the inclusion of one word...

The sweeping offensive by the Russian Federation forces is taking the Ukrainian army to a breaking point for lack of human resources, artillery shells, tanks, planes, drones, and missiles.

But mostly, lack of men.

Russia has captured over 700 square miles in Ukraine since August – and that is a reality that is starting to be openly discussed by the Ukrainians themselves and is also beginning to reach the MSM.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/bitter-awakening-ukrainians-msm-start-acknowledge-dire-situation/
Moscow troops conquered a total of 27 settlements just in the month of October – I checked: Vishnevoye, Verkhnekamenskoye, Ugledar, Zhelannoye Vtoroye, Grodovka, Zolotaya Niva, Zoryanoye Pervoye, Ostrovskoye, Mikhailovka, Levadnoye, Krasny Yar, Nevskoye, Maksimilyanovka, Zoryanoye, Novosadovoye, Nikolaevka, Alexandropol, Izmailovka, Tsukurino, Katerinovka, Gornyak, Dobrovolye, Selidovo, Krugliakovka, Yasnaya Polyana, Leonidovka, Novoukrainka, and Shakhtyorkoye.

While this may look like a meaningless list of foreign names with no significance, it stands to reason that it was a LOT of places, between villages and cities, as the steamroller proceeds unabated by the defenses.

The Red Army is advancing faster than at any time since March 2022, at the onset of the war, and the Kiev forces are facing a tactical crisis in most areas.


Moscow troops conquered a total of 27 settlements just in the month of October

Slavyangrad is a pro-rebel (Russian) outfit...IIRC this is the first time I've heard these areas described as "settlements"...

Now, to me settlements means people of non-native ethnicity occupying land owned by the native ethnicity...and throw population percentage of either aside, the term "settlement" does not mean a minority or majority ethnicity...it means one ethnicity is occupying territory owned right/wrong/indifferent of another, period.

It is the first time I've seen this accurate term of the genesis of Russians on non-Russian lands from Russian sources.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2510 on: November 01, 2024, 04:27:45 PM »
Well, I find this highly compelling for the inclusion of one word...

The sweeping offensive by the Russian Federation forces is taking the Ukrainian army to a breaking point for lack of human resources, artillery shells, tanks, planes, drones, and missiles.

But mostly, lack of men.

Russia has captured over 700 square miles in Ukraine since August – and that is a reality that is starting to be openly discussed by the Ukrainians themselves and is also beginning to reach the MSM.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/bitter-awakening-ukrainians-msm-start-acknowledge-dire-situation/
Moscow troops conquered a total of 27 settlements just in the month of October – I checked: Vishnevoye, Verkhnekamenskoye, Ugledar, Zhelannoye Vtoroye, Grodovka, Zolotaya Niva, Zoryanoye Pervoye, Ostrovskoye, Mikhailovka, Levadnoye, Krasny Yar, Nevskoye, Maksimilyanovka, Zoryanoye, Novosadovoye, Nikolaevka, Alexandropol, Izmailovka, Tsukurino, Katerinovka, Gornyak, Dobrovolye, Selidovo, Krugliakovka, Yasnaya Polyana, Leonidovka, Novoukrainka, and Shakhtyorkoye.

While this may look like a meaningless list of foreign names with no significance, it stands to reason that it was a LOT of places, between villages and cities, as the steamroller proceeds unabated by the defenses.

The Red Army is advancing faster than at any time since March 2022, at the onset of the war, and the Kiev forces are facing a tactical crisis in most areas.


Moscow troops conquered a total of 27 settlements just in the month of October

Slavyangrad is a pro-rebel (Russian) outfit...IIRC this is the first time I've heard these areas described as "settlements"...

Now, to me settlements means people of non-native ethnicity occupying land owned by the native ethnicity...and throw population percentage of either aside, the term "settlement" does not mean a minority or majority ethnicity...it means one ethnicity is occupying territory owned right/wrong/indifferent of another, period.

It is the first time I've seen this accurate term of the genesis of Russians on non-Russian lands from Russian sources.

I always thought settlement meant something smaller than a village. It may have a different meaning in Israel.
ChaptGPT says it includes anything from large cities to small villages. I wonder what the original Russian word was.

In the oblasts currently fought over the majority want Russian protection. In the parts under Russian control where the referendums were held they voted that way.

Not true elsewhere.
 In 1915 Lvov speaking Russia would get you hung from the nearest tree. Later sent to a concentration camp in Austria. In WWII Kiev many tens of thousands of Russians, Poles, and Jews were killed by Germans with Ukr help.


In Russia, various terms are used to classify different types of settlements based on size and function. Here are the main categories:

    Gorod (?????): This term refers to a city, typically larger and with more developed infrastructure.

    Poselok (???????): This refers to a town or a smaller urban locality. It can include various types, such as:
        Poselok gorodskogo tipa (?.?.?.): An urban-type settlement that has some city characteristics but is smaller than a city.
        Selo (????): A rural locality, often a village that is usually larger than a derevnya and has more facilities, such as schools and shops.

    Derevnya (???????): This is a village, typically smaller than a selo, often with fewer services and a more agricultural focus.

    Kham (?????): A small rural settlement, often consisting of a few houses, typically more isolated.

    Mys (???): A term used in some regions for small rural communities.

These classifications help in understanding the administrative and social structure of Russian settlements.

I picked the first 2 and last 2 in the list. Chatgpt says
As of the most recent data, Vishnevoye (or Vishneve) has a population of approximately 10,000 residents. It is located near Kyiv and has experienced growth due to urban development.

Verkhnekamenskoye is smaller, with a population of around 1,500 people. It's a more rural locality compared to Vishnevoye.

As of the latest available data, Novoukrainka has a population of approximately 5,000 residents. It is known as a small town in the Kirovohrad Oblast.

Shakhtyorkoye, being a smaller rural locality, typically has a population of around 1,000 residents, though numbers can vary.

two more
Zolotaya Niva has a population of around 1,200 residents.
Zoryanoye Pervoye is smaller, with a population of approximately 700 residents.

three more

Katerinovka has a population of about 1,000 residents.
Gornyak typically has a population of around 1,500 residents.
Dobrovolye has a population of approximately 1,000 residents.

four more
Selidovo has a population of around 15,000 residents.
Krugliakovka is smaller, with a population of approximately 800 residents.
Yasnaya Polyana typically has a population of about 1,200 residents.
Leonidovka usually has a population of around 600 residents.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2511 on: November 01, 2024, 05:01:18 PM »
In short, there is a split in Ukr.

The Romans held their republic and empire together by mostly leaving local languages and religions alone. USSR clamped down on religion but supported over a hundred languages.  In 21 of 22 Russian federation  republics at least one official language is taught daily in addition to Russian. In China in some places schools are taught in Uighur or Mongolian with Mandarin added later. The Kiev govt is not that wise.

update: Keep in mind that I heard more than once that Ukrainian was seldom heard spoken in Kiev. One source is a pro Kiev Ukrainian born to Ukr speaking parents. I also heard that Ukrainian was more rural and agrarian and Russia big city and professional. This does not show up on some language maps with Kiev put into the Ukr category.

I earlier found some Ukr maps. I still do not how ethnicity is determined. Maybe from what the parents put on the birth certificate.
Keep in mind that the Russian speakers will lose the right to use their language in commerce, govt, and education if Kiev wins.  They are also likely to lose their priests and have them replaced with those of the 2019 Kiev created sect.



Here is the 2010 presidential election results map
The parts in blue had their president run out of the country in the US backed 2014 coup. They were not happy about it.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2512 on: November 02, 2024, 12:35:47 PM »


What some Russians in Russia said about what "settlements" meant

In this context it would be ?????????? ????? - a formal way to call every kind of inhabited place from the smalleat village to largest city. 



I suppose it's used as a generic term for any administratively organized inhabited place.

Basically, "a place with a name on a map".


These are different small inhabited locality
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2513 on: November 02, 2024, 07:52:33 PM »

I do not really care about this but it seems that Linux Linus recently kicked Russians off Linux kernel. People that know this stuff say that this will force  a global fork of Linux.

https://voxday.net/2024/10/24/smells-like-bricsx/

 
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    but a few minutes ago Linus Torvalds chimed in with his opinion. Linux creator Linus Torvalds wrote:
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        “Ok, lots of Russian trolls out and about. It’s entirely clear why the change was done, it’s not getting reverted, and using multiple random anonymous accounts to try to “grass root” it by Russian troll factories isn’t going to change anything.

        And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren’t troll farm accounts – the “various compliance requirements” are not just a US thing.

        If you haven’t heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by “news”, I don’t mean Russian state-sponsored spam.

        As to sending me a revert patch – please use whatever mush you call brains. I’m Finnish. Did you think I’d be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it’s not just lack of real news, it’s lack of history knowledge too.”

It’s not as if the Russians are simply going to throw up their hands and start using Windows 11. This promises to be the Mother of All Forks, and given the recently expressed position of BRICS on the illegality of Western sanctions, I doubt any of the BRICS countries are going to stick with the original Linux version.

More from some guy on this issue. I do not care and know little about it but the Linux types think it is a big deal. Linux had been non political. I understand that Llinux takes in 250M per year as many companies rely on this and contribute, even IBM and the like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgG2-qcjLaM
 Will Russia Hard Fork Linux?
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Russia's Ministry of Digital Development proposes hard Linux kernel fork after Russian Devs banned.

So the free fork will pull all the new code from the US kernel, but the US kernel cannot take the changes from the free fork. This means that the US kernel will just be a part of the whole kernel. Kudos to the state!

Additional update on the LKML: They are now banning people voicing their disarrangement. Enrico Weigelt (maintainer of several linux kernel drivers) was just banned from all lists hosted by Linux Foundation. BTW do you not understand how bigoted and historically false the last line in that email by Linus is. Finland was a part of the Axis during WWII. Imagine if he was from the Middle East and he stated something similar about Israel.


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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2514 on: November 04, 2024, 11:13:10 AM »


US lifts sanctions on US banks doing business with some Russian banks. Not lifted on EU banks.
https://youtu.be/Msj8b3foPjg?t=1374

https://twitter.com/thesiriusreport/status/1853388799943823722

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2515 on: November 04, 2024, 11:37:36 AM »
And Russians are not savvy enough to know Western meanings of words as Westerners are of Eastern meanings...

AKA just as dumb as us...   ::hysterical::
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2516 on: November 04, 2024, 02:53:24 PM »
There are lots of weird things I learn about Ukraine.  It starts out as head scratching.

There is a youtube guy born to 2 Ukr speaking (different dialects) parents in 1971 who moved with him from a village to Kiev when he was young. He and others said that it was rare to her Ukr spoken in Kiev. He learned Russian along the way.  He is pro Kiev, anti Russian. His YT channel is The Ushanka Show with lots of content on growing up in Ukraine Very detailed.

He went to university in Kiev as I recall, and taught photography at a US summer camp in MI one summer. He later moved to US.

He returned to visit Ukraine and said he could not help his young relatives with homework because he did not know the words.WTF? How is that possible?  I recently heard some similar news from Ukraine. Kiev is not trying to return to a Ukraine of yesteryear but to a Ukraine that never existed.

There were laws passed in 2019 and perhaps earlier requiring use of Ukr language and fining use of Russian in some situations..

I asked chatGPT.


3. Linguistic Adaptation

    Vocabulary Changes: As with any living language, Ukrainian is evolving. New terms are being introduced, especially in technology and modern contexts, while efforts are made to purify the language by replacing Russian loanwords with Ukrainian equivalents.
    Standardization: There are ongoing efforts to standardize the language, particularly in written form, which can influence how it is taught and used in official contexts.




Language Requirements: Businesses are required to use Ukrainian in their signage, advertisements, and customer interactions. This law aims to promote the Ukrainian language and support national identity.

Fines and Penalties: Non-compliance can lead to fines and other penalties. The specifics can vary based on the severity and frequency of the violations.

I thought this was bad
Lake Calhoun in Minnesota is now officially named Bde Maka Ska, which means "White Earth Lake" in the Dakota language. The name change was made in 2018 to honor the Indigenous heritage of the area and to reflect a more culturally appropriate name.


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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2517 on: November 05, 2024, 08:10:37 AM »
Dakota or Lakota?

Anyway, wonder what the words are for Broken Rubber...   ::rimshot::
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2518 on: November 06, 2024, 01:12:27 PM »


A documentary mostly on Poland and Ukraine, in particular Volhynia .Early on in 2022 I watched social media from Ukr soldiers saying they were shelling civilians they called Russians in eastern Ukr to "drive them from their sacred land."  I thought it was odd that ethnic Russians should be driven from land they had lived on for hundreds of years just because Lenin named the SSR Ukraine around 1922.

Turns out this goes back further than that when Poles were to be driven out of Ukr land in the western Ukr.

https://youtu.be/9uJvZZ1NT08


 his Ukrainian countrymen ran amok through the northwestern part of the country and parts of southeastern Poland trying to exterminate every ethnic Pole living in what they believed should be part of a Ukrainian state – made up of Ukrainians – only.

In the southeastern region of Eastern Galicia, a large part of the population was ethnic Ukrainian. In the province just to the north, known as Volhynia in English and "Volyn'sko" in Ukrainian and Polish, a slight majority of the people were ethnic Ukrainians. Before the Holocaust, about 30% of the people in Volhynia were Jews. Most of the rest were Poles, along with some Roma and a small ethnic group called the Lemko.Until WWII, most Poles and Ukrainians in Volhynia got along. So many ethnicities had lived, shared, and governed the region for so long that a sense of shared history and interdependence had developed, making the outbreak of violence all the more shocking and tragic.


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