Topic: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine

[patentlymn]

https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1883083095085068748
Zlatti71
@Zlatti_71
The United States Agency for International Development (USAID), which has been the main source of American funding in Ukraine, including military aid, has been ordered to halt work on all of its projects, Reuters reports.

As reported on the Agency's website, since February 24, 2022, USAID has provided Ukraine with $2.6 billion in humanitarian aid, $5 billion in development assistance, and more than $30 billion in direct budget support.

[patentlymn]

Alex of Duran said that maybe 1/3 of Slovakia protesters and organizers are Ukrainian.

[Libertas]

There is no good reason for this war If you look at the earlier proposals and even the spring 2022 Istanbul agreement (initialed but not signed).  Kiev could have hung onto most of everything except Crimea (after 2014)  depending on the agreement and year.  The terms of allowing people to practice their religion, language and culture were givens to the Romans and Ottomans and supposedly required by the UN and EU rules.

I understand that Kiev is mostly an admin center with some industry. The Donbas is very heavy industry including mining and steel making. Steel workers and miners in the US are pretty tough. There were USSR WWII posters saying "Don't mess with the Donbas!"  If the inhabitants were driven off as Kiev wants, who is going to  do the work?  Would DC residents mine coal and make steel?

You said that the Russians were squatters so I looked up several cities. In the east and south the common answer is that the Russian empire established them hundreds of years ago . amongst small villages. Now Kiev wants them to leave bc they drank some weird cool aid. It is crazy. Western Ukr is a mess but with very old cities.

Show me a nation eager to relinquish any of it's territory in return for a hallow peace and I will show you failure...

Israel/FakeNation?   

[Libertas]

https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1883083095085068748
Zlatti71
@Zlatti_71
The United States Agency for International Development (USAID), which has been the main source of American funding in Ukraine, including military aid, has been ordered to halt work on all of its projects, Reuters reports.

As reported on the Agency's website, since February 24, 2022, USAID has provided Ukraine with $2.6 billion in humanitarian aid, $5 billion in development assistance, and more than $30 billion in direct budget support.

Well, yeah...new leadership in DC...

[Libertas]

Meanwhile, as I predicted...the fighting continues and Russia's aim as always in the consolidation of more territorial gains to strengthen its bargaining position...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-forces-officially-seize-last-strategic-city-southern-donbas-region

We are in the curious phase where the main powers in DC and Moscow feel each other out while Ukraine under Z-man says he's open to negotiations but desperately wants to the war to go on...

[patentlymn]

There is no good reason for this war If you look at the earlier proposals and even the spring 2022 Istanbul agreement (initialed but not signed).  Kiev could have hung onto most of everything except Crimea (after 2014)  depending on the agreement and year.  The terms of allowing people to practice their religion, language and culture were givens to the Romans and Ottomans and supposedly required by the UN and EU rules.

I understand that Kiev is mostly an admin center with some industry. The Donbas is very heavy industry including mining and steel making. Steel workers and miners in the US are pretty tough. There were USSR WWII posters saying "Don't mess with the Donbas!"  If the inhabitants were driven off as Kiev wants, who is going to  do the work?  Would DC residents mine coal and make steel?

You said that the Russians were squatters so I looked up several cities. In the east and south the common answer is that the Russian empire established them hundreds of years ago . amongst small villages. Now Kiev wants them to leave bc they drank some weird cool aid. It is crazy. Western Ukr is a mess but with very old cities.

Show me a nation eager to relinquish any of it's territory in return for a hallow peace and I will show you failure...

Israel/FakeNation?   

They did not have to relinquish anything. Just allow a significant minority to continue to practice their language, religion and culture as they had for hundreds of years. Kiev chose civil war instead because they are crazy.

[patentlymn]

Meanwhile, as I predicted...the fighting continues and Russia's aim as always in the consolidation of more territorial gains to strengthen its bargaining position...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-forces-officially-seize-last-strategic-city-southern-donbas-region

We are in the curious phase where the main powers in DC and Moscow feel each other out while Ukraine under Z-man says he's open to negotiations but desperately wants to the war to go on...

Last I heard, the Kiev govt outlawed negotiations and has not changed the law. Ze is saying he only meant other people negotiating. Ze has recently said he would not negotiate as long as Putin is president.

Russia's stated goal is "demilitarizing" Ukr.  There are many situations where RU could encircle Kiev troops but does not. Generals often withdraw their troops but Kiev does not allow this as bad for PR. RU allows the Kiev troops to enter and  kills them. Ze keeps refusing requests to retreat.

Also RU has not blown up most bridges for the same reason. This allows the Kiev troops to enter.

[Libertas]

Meanwhile, as I predicted...the fighting continues and Russia's aim as always in the consolidation of more territorial gains to strengthen its bargaining position...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-forces-officially-seize-last-strategic-city-southern-donbas-region

We are in the curious phase where the main powers in DC and Moscow feel each other out while Ukraine under Z-man says he's open to negotiations but desperately wants to the war to go on...

Last I heard, the Kiev govt outlawed negotiations and has not changed the law. Ze is saying he only meant other people negotiating. Ze has recently said he would not negotiate as long as Putin is president.

Russia's stated goal is "demilitarizing" Ukr.  There are many situations where RU could encircle Kiev troops but does not. Generals often withdraw their troops but Kiev does not allow this as bad for PR. RU allows the Kiev troops to enter and  kills them. Ze keeps refusing requests to retreat.

Also RU has not blown up most bridges for the same reason. This allows the Kiev troops to enter.

Well, lot's of people to be disappointed...

A total de-militarization is a pipe dream...not negotiating with Putin is a pipe dream...all pipe dreams will be crushed...

[Libertas]

Tsk!  Vlad copying Z's petulance!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-declares-he-wont-negotiate-zelensky-ukrainian-leader-has-outlawed-peace-talks

While Z is either insane or in denial of time being solely on Russia's side...the Uke forces are disintegrating...if Russia wants to (not saying it won't trigger a Euro/Nato response) it could waltz into Kyiv, Lviv...anywhere...anytime it wanted and the longer this drags on the easier it will get for Russia...

Trump should pressure Z to reverse the decree he should have never issued and get negotiations rolling faster...or he should be pressured to hold free and fair elections for President...or kiss any American support of any kind away forever...

If we dumped this on Europe and stated we are suspending Article 5 with respect to the mess in Ukraine...I think that also would impel Z and Europe to get on board with negotiations!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-media-outlets-start-asking-donations-after-us-funding-paused

You persist in stupidity...and your pain will only get much worse!

[patentlymn]

I think that Z cannot reverse the decree because he is not legally president so the Kiev parliament would have to do it.

Russia does not want Kiev or Lvov areas as people in those areas do not like Russians and ruling them would be a major pain and  a huge money suck.

I think that Trump is being fed bad info about Ukraine. He has been saying that  Russia is suffering and desperate to get out of Ukraine and also has many more dead than ion reality.

Also I heard that the US said that the Budapest memorandum was not binding and just a memo. I think it was cited against the US for meddling in Belarus.

[Libertas]

Trump I do not believe is swayed by bogus info...he knows how to prep a negotiation...easier to concede nothingburgers vs real burgers...

[patentlymn]

Not sure if this is worth watching yet but some nice maps early on.
NOT worth watching but good maps.

Some Swiss retired military guy is on talking about possible internal actions against Kiev govt. I never thought much bout that but know there have been some actions against military conscription in Odessa.

I did not want to lose these links.
  He shows some maps early on around 6 min.

He said that in early 1991 Crimea held a vote to leave Ukraine and report directly to Moscow. This was before the USSR fell.  They became an autonomous region but Kiev later said this was not valid or some such.

I have no idea if he is accurate.  Around 14 min he goes into details on the revolts against the 2014 Kiev govt after the coup.
https://youtu.be/uVSWyLnN0B4
EXCLUSIVE: Russian Partisans Prepare to Rise up in Ukraine Cities w Col Jacques Baud

[patentlymn]

Trump I do not believe is swayed by bogus info...he knows how to prep a negotiation...easier to concede nothingburgers vs real burgers...

How would Trump know if the info he is being fed is bogus?  I watched lots of alt media with former ambassadors, CIA, and military. They think Trump has surrounded himself with people who are often delusional.  Think of all the headlines we have seen since the SMO. RU was to run out of ammo in early 2022. They were fighting with shovels. They were taking chips from washing machines to use in missiles.

Good map at 24 min. Willingness to armed resistance against Russia 2021-2022.
Map at 32 min of underground resistance in Ukr.  Even in ethnic Ukr areas north of Odessa.
Also in Rovno (Rovino?) area in the west.
He does not seem to be making this stuff up. Some RR sabotage.

[patentlymn]

So far gets too far into details but has good maps and such.
at 44 min he shows  plot
How much longer are you ready to endure the war?  Reduced support over time  Dec 2024 57 pct s long as needed, 3 1 yr, 3 half a year, 18 a few months,  18 hard to say.


Do you agree with? Ukr may give up some territories 38 pct, not give up any territories 51,  hard to say 11

Not too long ago Kiev was reporting that the RU military was on the brink of collapse so people may believe that. Kiev greatly under reports their causalities.

He says that in the ukr west the anti Kiev movement is ethnic Ukr.

[patentlymn]

Trump I do not believe is swayed by bogus info...he knows how to prep a negotiation...easier to concede nothingburgers vs real burgers...

Col Mcgregor talks about this
 
https://youtu.be/Oowabedqnks?t=1109

[Libertas]

Trump I do not believe is swayed by bogus info...he knows how to prep a negotiation...easier to concede nothingburgers vs real burgers...

How would Trump know if the info he is being fed is bogus?  I watched lots of alt media with former ambassadors, CIA, and military. They think Trump has surrounded himself with people who are often delusional.  Think of all the headlines we have seen since the SMO. RU was to run out of ammo in early 2022. They were fighting with shovels. They were taking chips from washing machines to use in missiles.

Good map at 24 min. Willingness to armed resistance against Russia 2021-2022.
Map at 32 min of underground resistance in Ukr.  Even in ethnic Ukr areas north of Odessa.
Also in Rovno (Rovino?) area in the west.
He does not seem to be making this stuff up. Some RR sabotage.

You can flip all that around too, how do we know who these anonymous sorts are saying somebody don't know who is feeding what to whom?  Trump is bright enough, savvy enough now too than his first term to smell funk when it hits his nose...  And I suspect the folks peddling this about Trump are DeepState disinfo assets posing as something else...

And we cannot get any confirmation on any thing Russia says unless we get lucky and some sod, usually a Western idiot releases something without knowing it...

[Libertas]

Trump I do not believe is swayed by bogus info...he knows how to prep a negotiation...easier to concede nothingburgers vs real burgers...

Col Mcgregor talks about this
 
https://youtu.be/Oowabedqnks?t=1109

Ugh, that clown is unlistenable...  He's so enamored with himself...he is a legend in his own mind...  Nap is a puppet drinking his gravy...Trump should listen to you!  Ya, only you, asshole!

Dipsh*t has no idea what is in Trump's head...  I am going off what I know about him and his negotiating style, he can use DeepState BS in PR, has no impact and what he ends up doing based upon what HE believes and it keeps the DeepState off-balance...

Did you not read Sundance and how Trump is isolating himself from the DeepState?  Just piss that away for 'ol Mac, eh?

Assclowns like Macgregor just assume everybody, but him, is a total blithering idiot...

Well isn't it nice to be you!

Dude is totally unhelpful...

Just like the demoscats, if you beret people long enough maybe they'll heed your words...

If they don't they're an idiot...

And they just rehash the same old crap and they never say crap like this about Putin...  I guess he's a genius, his advisors are brilliant...they crap golden turds, it's true!  Yum yum yum. 

So brilliant he cut no deal with 45 while he could have...  Brilliant!

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[Libertas]

“Not once did the word ‘Ukraine’ or ‘Europe’ appear. This is a clear indication of the direction things could take,” Resner said, adding that it appears “the U.S. will no longer support Ukraine with the same intensity as before.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-running-out-time-austrian-armed-forces-colonel-issues-new-warning

Well gosh...obviously this is disinformation...

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[patentlymn]

I heard that the NYT and Financial Times have changed their tunes and say Kiev has lost the war.Macgregor says maybe Trump should read the NYT.

Apparently the US was paying for the Kiev media and that just stopped and they are screaming.

[patentlymn]

The new Ukr church that took over churches
https://t.me/putingers_cat/13067
It is not entirely clear as to what is happening in this episode of "Ukraine of the brain." However, this appears to be some kind of a "church service" for a dead AFU fighter.  Some descriptions of this video in Russian stated that these  "priests", adorned with marijuana leaves, used the above-mentioned plant as the source of smoke in the incense burner (the thing he's swinging, which is a usual part of Orthodox church services)...

Ukraine is cray-cray.